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tonight and tomorrow night he will meet with house republicans to give updates on doge. when it comes to that meeting, we have from speaker johnson saying that it's important to get everyone on the same page. overall he's excited to see alignment of the messaging. back to tonight, we can expect trump to touch on doge. elon musk will be in attendance. when asked about the protests, karoline leavitt said trump is not concerned. martha? >> madison alworth, thanks very much. a big night on capitol hill. we'll be here to cover it for you. that is the story for tuesday. i'll see you back here at 9:00 eastern for our special coverage of president trump's joint address the congress. "the will cain show" gets started next. we'll see you later. >> will: live from the
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heartland, this is "the will cain show." in five hours, president trump is set to address congress for the first time in his second term. the focus, renewing the american dream. it's set to start at 9:00 eastern. you can catch it all right here on the fox news channel. meanwhile, democrats are slated to give their formal rebuttal by democratic senator elise slotkin of michigan. all together now, they began to give their rebuttal. >> when i win, i will immediately bring prices down. >> that ain't true. that's what we heard from day one of trump's presidency. prices are not done. inflation is getting worse. groceries, gas, cost of eggs, housing. >> will: they reading from a script?
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three senators. senator warren, senator schumer and senator booker. it's three senators. [all speaking together]. >> will: they're multiplying. i recognize there's a contingent of viewers at fox that say they don't want to hear from us when we play clips of "the view" and cnn. they don't want to hear clips of democratic senators. like chris murphy. well, half a dozen senators you just heard from. there's a point in hearing from all of those senators at the same time. there's a bigger message. that is they're all reading from the same script. now, i want to lower your blood pressure just a moment. recognize nothing is real you just saw. we strive for authenticity.
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yesterday i asked you, i say live from the heartland, this is "the will cain show." something about that and your calls and messages had indicated to me, will, texas isn't the heartland.i got to thinking, is texas the heartland? so we asked you. the answer is that texas is in fact the heartland. 35% disagree. here's what some of you had to say. patrick says when i think of the heartland, it tends to be more midwest or rockies. texas is just texas. okay. ebbbert writes, most texans i met is huge hearts. that qualifies for being the heartland. thank you. another user says it's a mindset, not a geographic location. i will say, i never grew up being told that fakes is the heartland. brenda says it's not demographic. being from texas, we're literally in the heart of the country. if you draw longitudinal lines. i don't know. apparently most of you think this is the heartland, so maybe
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i'll continue to say live from the heartland. we want to be real. not like our democratic senators and their rebuttal today. all together now. [speaking together]. >> will: it's a zombie invasion. we'll all be saying i believe the science. we stand with ukraine. everything is a threat to democracy if we can all read from the same script. outsource our thinking to the new version of politics. reading from a slogan. back to the restoring of the american dream. the theme of the president's speech tonight, which is not officially a state of the union but a joint session of congress. the topic deserves a bit of unpacking. what is the american dream? if i asked 100 of you, i'd get
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100 different definitions on what the american dream is. interestingly the whole idea of the american dream was president mentioned much in american history back in the 18th century. it wasn't until the great depression in 1931 that we first started to really hear about the american dream. it was from a writer named james adams. he wrote "the american dream is that dream of a land in which life should be better and richer and fuller for everyone with opportunity for each according to his ability or achievement. it's not a treatment of motor cars and high wages but a dream of social order in each man and each woman should attain of the stature of what they're capable and be recognized of who they are." that's a lot of words. you asked me what the american dream was, i would have told you something more about frontiersman and pioneers, risk takers and entrepreneurs and wildcatters and pulling yourself up by the bootstraps.
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adams says it's not the story of immigrants making something of themselves. he said it's about a shared national identity. then i wanted to hone in on this one part that he defined as the american dream. it's not of motor cars or high wages but rather a social order in which each machine and each woman shall attain the fullest stature of which they are innately capable. be recognized by others for what they are regardless of the circumstances of birth or position. i like that. it's not about material accomplishment. it's not even about who you are, where you're born. it's an obvious rejection of that. but being free to accomplish your full capability and then being recognized for that as you're defining characteristic. not your skin color, not your birth certificate. not your status or your social
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hierarchy and now your wealth. but being free to fulfill the full pursuit of everything you are capable. we'll find out from donald trump tonight, president trump what he thinks of the restoration of the american dream. let's check in with our next guest. this is dave rubin. the host of "the rubin report". great to see you. >> great to see you. why is it the people of the will cain show don't send me points like i'm a democrat. >> will: i don't remember where the talking point issuance is, dave but i'm not in. i don't know if you're in. by the way, dave -- >> we'll try. >> will: there must be one. how does one script or one line go vially like that to where everybody has it? there's a central hub. >> obvious a central hub. i assure you these people did not come up with that themselves. even the way it's so obviously
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scripted that they're all sitting in the same position. they're all holding the microphone the same way. all of their affect and their inflection when they speak is exactly the same. ironically that sort of clone or i like to say npc, nonplayable character, that is in stark contrast to what donald trump now represents, which i think gets to the american dream that you were just talking about. in this country, you got a chance to be yourself. we believe in individual rights. we believe in the pursuit of happiness and your happiness might be different than somebody else's. what we don't want are a bunch of group think clones and sadly that's all the democrats are left with. i think it's going to be on full display tonight whether they're throwing eggs at him or bringing bull horns or unemployed federal workers or whatever else they're planning. the point is it's all planned. trump represents us, which is it's a little bit messy. we think some different things.
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but america is pretty good. >> will: i love your invocation of the npc. for anybody that doesn't play video games or in that demographic, which is an under 30 demographic, understanding what an npc is, it's a nonplayer character. in video games, people that just stand there. they're not part of the game. i do feel like, dave, there's an entire push to make all of us npcs. that's what this slogan -- politics by slogan becomes. it's not about what each individual slogan is right or wrong. if i wanted to critically think about ukraine, if i'm met with putin apologists, i feel like i've just encountered an npc. you're shaming me with an attack and a slogan. so back to the american dream. you know, what i feel like this should be about and what is originally about is yes, our individual pursuit of happiness and a shared national identity day. i think that's key to it. we're all in this american
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experiment together with our independent individual thoughts. in on the american identity. >> yes. you're absolutely right. that's combining two beautiful things. the first part that you're talking about is you. it's you as the individual, you have a mind and you have a capacity to reason and you have passions and loves and pursuits and all of those things. that's wonderful. that doesn't exists in a vacuum. what it exists in in this case is a country, a country of 350 million people from all walks of life who whether it was you that came here or your parents or grandparents or great grandparents or whether they came over on the may flower, many other generations ago, came here with the idea that you're going to build a better life. that basically you're going to get a shot at it. whether you succeed or fail will largely be on you. it doesn't mean that the system is always perfect. it doesn't mean that everyone is always nice. it doesn't mean that everything is equal all the time. it means that you've got a shot. we have been better at that in america for 250 years almost now
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than any other country in the history of the world. and i think part of the problem with branding that and why we struggle to kind of sell america these days is that freedom, we just take it for granted. it's like you wake up in the morning, go to work, have your coffee, hang out with your friends, do whatever you want with your spouse and it's kind of working. you don't have to think about it that much. americans are realizing boy, maybe this thing is a little more precious than we've paid attention to and i think trump is keenly aware of that. we'll hear a little bit of that tonight. >> will: i think of the last five years, we've divorced ourselves of the american dream. we diminished the idea of the opportunity to be free, to pursue your full capabilities and we've shredded the idea of a common national identity. we have torn down statues and flooded through our border the idea of a shared idea of what it is to be an american. dave rubin, check him out on
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"the rubin report". >> thank you. >> aides for karen bass were weren't of critical fir conditions before the fires in l.a. before she flew to ghana. more likely to come as the city recovers from the fires. threats at home, trip to ghana. also conservatives cheering pete hegseth for turning the tables on hillary clinton. clinton responding to the defend order for cyber command to stand down writing on x, wouldn't want to hurt putin's feelings. hegseth said with a 2009 photo with sergey lavrov showing the two holding a reset button symbolizing a reset of relations between the two countries. i remember vladimir putin taking truck rides through texas within president george w. bush. finally, doge now uncovers a nonprofit pocketing millions to do absolutely nothing.
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$18 million a month. $250 million a year to do nothing. but first, do you know how lara trump met eric trump? did you know eric trump was 6'5?" lara trump told me that. that's next. ♪ (man) got one more antoine. (vo) with usps ground advantage, it's like you're with us every step of the way. ♪ (man) cooool. ♪ (man) right on time! (vo) stay in the know. from your dock... to their door. an alternative to pills, voltaren is a clinically proven arthritis pain relief gel, which penetrates deep to target the source of pain
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>> will: so this guy walks up to you. do people tell you that is eric trump or do they say hey, i'm eric trump, you never heard of an eric trump? >> no. >> will: how did it work? >> zero advertisement to who he was. we happened to kind of being in
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the same area of this bar. one of my friends started talking to one of his friends. naturally because we were the two tallest of our friends, we started talking. and it was actually after we left that night that one of the girls that worked there was like you know who that was you were hanging out with all night? that was donald trump's son. i was like oh. i honestly sadly -- my meadite reaction is maybe i'm not going to be in to this guy. you have an idea in your head as to what someone with a famous name would be like. and fortunately for me, i was very wrong about who eric trump ended up being. >> will: lara told me today on "the will cain show" that eric was 6'5." i didn't realize that. i said who was more intimidating to meet, melania or not then president donald trump? you want the answer, go check it out on youtube, spotify or apple. meanwhile, doge's latest target
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is here in texas. a san antonio based company family endeavors. they raked in over $215 million annually to operate a migrant facility. get this. a facility that was empty. in a post on x, doge says a former biden transition team member joined family endeavors back in 2021. it was a move that helped the nonprofit secure an hhs contract to operate this facility for unaccompanied children. that contract paid the group $18 million a month. the facility wasn't always empty. when it was originally opened, it was able to house about 500 children with the ability to expand to 2,000. but it was later closed due to poor living conditions.
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before hhs reopened the facility and welcomed more migrant teens in 2023. in january, 2024, almost a year ago, more than a year ago, there were 114 children at the site. now since empty while they rake in $18 million a month. joining me now, jeremy wallace who is very familiar with the facility. thanks for being with me. that history i hope is accurate. and you'll correct anything i got wrong there. seems amazing first of all, $18 million a month and even at its most -- even at it's busiest, looks like it was 100, 200 kids here that could be built out to 2,000. empty much of that time. how am i not supposed to see this as a massive boondoggle? >> this is a part of what i like to call the immigration industrial complex. you know, this is like -- when joe biden was in office, they award all the contracts out with the intention -- i can see what
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the intention was. they saw what happened hat the camp that housed the migrant children during the trump administration. they did not want to repeat that. so this was their solution to the problem. so they found endeavor. endeavor right now, its ceo, it won't surprise anybody is a former employee of the department of homeland security in the biden administration. you can see a connection there. they'll tell you they are faith-based organization and they're just trying to help these children. but certainly what the federal government thought they were getting in this was that they were going to have a facility if they needed it. that money that they were paying them every month was to keep them on standby essentially. if we do have another surge of minors, they would have a place for them. that's what their plan was. >> will: okay. two questions, jeremy. one i know you can answer. so when i first heard this story, it's shocking.
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$250 million for something that is an empty facility. $250 million. i thought, well, i can't get mad at the private business. if the government is handing out stupid money, people will line up to take it. but then jeremy, i'm like the dethey of what you tell me. the ceo is a former biden administration member. i'm way beyond the private companies are there to take money regardless. it's hard not to look as it as -- definitely wasteful but maybe corrupt if you have former government officials taking essentially what amounts for a portion of its time like a no-bid contract. you know, a no-show job-type contract. empty facility. >> one of the things -- i think you'd agree on this. a lot of government programs, even if they start out with an intention of being the right thing to do, it can morph in to something. right? the idea of having a better
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place capable of handling a surge of migrants made sense at the time. now it's 2025 and still this facility that is empty. it has not been used much. certainly over the last six to eight months for sure, is like but yet they're still getting a paycheck. look, i understand having an insurance policy. but this is a very expensive insurance policy from the government to hold open facilities like this. you think is there another way to avoid spending that kind of money every single month? >> will: and the last thing will be a common sense question. you cover this for the houston chronicle. this is my comment, my personal opinion. this is everywhere in government. it's like you just described. maybe started out with a good intent but rides on forever. $18 million a month checks, this is one example of what we hope doge is looking for all through the government.
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all right. jeremy, thanks for being with us. it's an important story. thanks for sharing with us today. >> thanks for having me on. appreciate it. >> will: okay. the relationship between ukraine and the united states hanging by a thread. so where does that leave the minerals deal? my big three next. ♪ it's time to feed the dogs real food in the right amount. a healthy weight can help dogs live a longer and happier life. the farmer's dog makes weight management easy with fresh food pre-portioned for your dog's needs. it's an idea whose time has come.
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>> will: live from the middle of america. that's the suggestion of "fox and friends" host steve doocy. live from the middle of america. the united states pausing and reviewing military aid to ukraine to "ensure that it is contributing to a solution." president zelensky called the clash with trump regrettable. he wrote on x, it's time to make things right. we would like future cooperation
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and communication to be const constructive. where does that live the mineral deal? both leaders have signals it's not off the table. that brings us to today's big three. we talk about the mineral deal. in my humble belief, without really knowing what we mean by the mineral deal. we do know that ukraine is rich in several critical minerals and rare earth terms. where are they? why are they important? penny althouse had this to say about the nature of the deposits in ukraine. >> ukraine rare earth deposits have not been developed, which means their greenfields projects, they're early stage. they take a lot of money to develop that and be interesting to see what the administration's approach will be to this. there are other critical minerals like titanium and et cetera that are available that are further developed. the u.s. will have to invest a
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lot of money. will ukraine give access to brown fields projects that are further developed or in production already. >> will: so its critical minerals that are in the green stage, early stage of development in ukraine. many of them in the east. what would be in the mineral deal? it would create reconstruction investment funds and co-managed by the united states and ukraine. 50% of the revenues would be paid in to the fund and the fund looks to recoop the u.s. expenditures tied to ukraine. here's a question. let's back up. what are critical minerals? critical minerals are metals and raw materials that are needed for production of high tech products like lithium, cobalt, copper and tungsten. why are they important? they're needed for consumer products like electronics, computers, cell phones, healthcare equipment, electric
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vehicles, a.i. infrastructure and national defense and weapons. now, critical minerals are all over. they're even here in the united states of america. not every critical mineral is found domestically. they must be found across the word. raw materials are only part of the equation. the next part is refining those rue materials in to something usable. unfortunately, china has a choke hold on that step in the process. right now china is the dominant player in global mineral processing and refining. they have 68% of nickel globally, 40% of copper, 60% of lithium and 73% of cobalt. so how can the united states set itself up for the future? my next guest says on what is important, it's a bedrock of national security. the director for critical mineral security program at csis, graceland basgar joins me.
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when i conducted this conversation a few days ago, i wanted to get to basics. where are they and why are they important. hope we help laid that out. help us understand we can't do this at home. we are so far behind china in accomplishing what we need in critical minerals? >> thanks for having me. so you know, we didn't get to deside what god put under our feet. if we did, we may have decided differently. the u.s. at the end of the day has less than 2% of the world's uranium, cobalt, graphite, nickel. when i think about what is american leadership and minerals, it's not only producing the bare minimum, it's a top supplier of that. why china has become so good is also not because god gave it all of the geology. they have between one and 10% of the world's copper, nickel,
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cobalt. but what they have done for the better part of 40 years is connect their foreign policy with their domestic industrial strategy. so they have been building these refining processes that you just mentioned at home, but they strategically have been sourcing minerals from latin america, from africa, from asia for the better part of 40 years around it goes back to china for processing. so the u.s. is late to that game. >> will: so, you know, there's the raw material acquisitions stage of this. from what i've understood, we're pretty rich in lithium and copper here at home. that doesn't mean we have everything we'll ever need but we're pretty rich. anybody has been to montana knows that we have a lot of copper up here and mining it for centuries. what you're telling me, it's the middle stage, the refinement stage. we have that market really down in oil and gas. we're a refinery home for oil and gas. but we're not for critical
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minerals? >> no. so i mean, rare earths, what we've been talking about a lot in the context of ukraine, 99.5% of heavy rare earth processing capabilities are in china. about 85% of light rare earths. so we're late to that game. however we have spent the last five years spending $300 million through the u.s. government to build those capabilities here at home. so the last five or so years, we started -- we have graphite processing facilities now. we're adding on. we still don't -- you talk about how we have a lot of copper. we still send copper back to china for the mid stream phase because we don't have enough capabilities to even refine all of our own copper here in the u.s. >> will: so really quickly on the way out what do we need? we need access to more raw materials. that's what we're trying to get accomplished in ukraine and we need a build-out of refineries and processing for critical minerals, which you would do
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what? do that home here in the united states? >> we want to do as much as we can at home. we're also going to have to use our allies. because at the end of the day, for example, i'll give you a nuclear power for example. we have high nuclear ambitions in this administration. we have less than 1% of uranium. so leveraging uranium from neighboring canada or australia are really important and bringing it back home and enriching it here at home so we can expand our nuclear power is an example if we want to do as much as we can at home but our allies are still important. >> will: okay. gr gracelin, thanks for being with us. critical minerals and raw materials and understanding why it's so important for the u.s. thank you. >> thanks. >> will: vice president vance warning europe, secure your borders or face the threats. ♪
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>> will: vice president j.d.
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vance has brought this issue up on more than one occasion. at the munich security conference and last night with "hannity". >> what are the biggest drivers of violence in the european societies? it's mass migration. it's people that are driving cars in to christmas festivals, killing tons of innocent people and very often the european response is not to say oh, maybe we should get control of our own borders. the response is to try to silence and shut down their own citizenry. that is a danger in europe, it was a danger under joe biden and that's the biggest risk. it's that weakness internally. that's what we have to fix. >> will: something big is happening in europe. something big is happening. we can no longer stay underneath the covers but bubbling up to the surface in western civil sayings. these numbers are staggers. did you know the u.k. has about 10.7 million migrants living in
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their country? that is 16% of their population. france seven million. that's more than 10% of their population. germany, 10.6 million migrants. that's 12% of their population. think about the way that affects their internal security. think about the way that affects their common culture. think about the way that affects their language and national identity. think about what that means for western civilization. joining me now to discuss this is a british member of parliament. sue ella braverman. 16% of the u.k. is of migrant population. tell me what that means for you in the u.k. >> well, 16% is probably a conservative underestimate. if i'm honest. we have an unknown and very high number of illegal migrants in this country as well.
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there are some very concerning projections of population demographics when you take into account the pace and scale of illegal and legal migration coming in to the u.k. in resent years. we have a migration crisis. not just in the u.k. but throughout much of europe. >> will: and you know, we should say also what probably compounds that figure to some extent in the future of your country is that your birth rate is also declining. your natural-born citizen birth rate is cratering. so you're replacing that population with people that come from a different culture, a different part of the world. you know what? this is a conversation that we have to say that it's very different than the culture of britain. of the english. >> well, listen, there are hundreds of millions of people on the move globally moving from the developing south to the
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developed west. and many of those people are coming to the united kingdom. they come across mainland europe illegally using people smuggling gangs, exploiting and causing severe harm. many of them are of dubious character. and many of them come in to the united kingdom on small boats, dingies. we have a small boats crisis. in the last week alone, we had 1,000 people come in to our country illegally on our southern coast on small boats. you know, in the depths, on the busiest shipping channel of the world. in the middle of the night, overcrowded flimsy boats. people are dieing in the channel. it's a humanitarian crisis. many people are coming in to the u.k. we don't know who they are and
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posing not just a border security risk but a national security risk to our country because i'm afraid many is of these people go on to commit crimes in this country. >> will: we've seen that. j.d. vance has brought the stories up, people driving cars in to crowds of people. we know by the way, this will weigh on your social safety net, which you have robust social safety net in the u.k. now you have a lot of people that will come in and weigh that system down. i'm interested from a cultural perspective as well. there is a common british identity that buys in to certain values. those are not the same as american values. they're going to be different than german values. if almost 20% of your population comes from a place with different values, what does that mean about your future? >> well, it raises a very worrying question about cultural and community cohesion in the united kingdom. and what we are importing in to
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our country is high level when it comes to illegal migration of people with values which are totally at odds with british values and values that we recognize in the united kingdom and the united states. for example, respect for women. equal rights of women. many of these people are coming from islamic countries. they have extremist muslim views and they view women as if women are cattle or possessions. they should be subjugated. that's at odds with western culture, british life, british values. niece one example of where we see the risk posed to women and girls in the united kingdom escalate because of illegal migration. >> will: no doubt. that's just one. thanks for joining us and highlighting this problem here today. i know that everybody watching is probably wondering this right now. the united states has a
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population of $330 million people. you want to know how many migrants are here? nobody can tell you. some say 7 million, some say 30 million. we're looking at our own, 10 to 20% proposition here in the united states as well. all right. time now to continue the conversation. i guess in is the debate of the day. is texas the heartland? life from the heartland, this is "the will cain show." live from the heartland, this is "the will cain show." live from the heartland, this is "the will cain show." live from the heartland, this is "the will cain show." we keep saying it. is it? here's your comments. amanda says george strait has a song that told us about as the heartland. i trust george strait more than any politician. i agree. bruce says no, it's not. ohio has been for years called the heartland of america. it's shaped like a heart. even on some of our state
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license plate, it says the heart of it all. i think you do have -- at least the crown jewel of the heartland, bruce. bill says try telling or convincing george strait that texas is not part of the heartland. we have this card to keep laying down. we'll figure it out. "fox and friends" host lawrence jones joins me next. ♪ ♪ like a relentless weed, moderate to severe ulcerative colitis symptoms can keep coming back. start to break away from uc with tremfya... with rapid relief at 4 weeks. tremfya blocks a key source of inflammation. at one year, many people experienced remission... and some saw 100% visible healing of their intestinal lining. serious allergic reactions and increased risk of infections may occur.
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thing, that is new for me. apparently happened the minute that i left "fox and friends." what is going on over there? >> well, you know, i was a little salty that you decided to leave the couch. i needed to feel closer to home. so i just asked the crew and they were all for it. you know? >> okay. >> seriously, we're proud of you. you're making texas proud. you're making the case for texas and you're doing it today on the show today. >> don't be too nice. you're going to ruin what i want to do next. >> i know. >> i appreciate your nice work. lawrence, your have more swag than me. you have more style. >> that's because i'm chocolate. nothing you can do about that. >> you and i talked about that. you know, you've got a little more leeway to get out there with your fashion. gold jewelry. i can't wear it. let's take a look at what you're doing on texas tuesdays here. am i looking at -- i want to be clear, lawrence.
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am i looking at blue cowboy boots? is that what i'm looking at? blue ostrich? >> i went into lucaseys. i didn't know they had them. >> in men's. >> you think they have those sizes? i'm proud of these boots. i get tired of the browns and the blacks and the cherry blacks. i needed a little something to add a little flavor to the collection. >> so you went in to the store -- wouldn't surprise me if ainsley showed up in blue boots. okay. lawrence rocking blue boots. he walked in and goes oh, you have those in mens? i'll take a pair. >> it was a young lady, she was a beautiful lady. i was looking at them. she goes, i think that goes really good with your skin tone. i said i'll take them. i'll take them. bring them. you have another color?
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>> yeah, exactly. you'll be wearing red before we know it. may have them. i love this comment. you're going to bring lawrence jones to settle the debate whether or not texas is the heartland. someone said that is fair and equitable. it's like you have a basketball team and you bring in lawrence on the team. he's a ringer. here's my wringer. 62% says it is the heartland. i'll be honest. i didn't grow up thinking it was. i got in an argument yesterday with my producer and said this is not real. we have to stop saying this. she said it is. what do you think? >> well, we are. there's no debate. i appreciate that you have debates on your show. but i don't understand why you're making this a debate. it's not a debate. whether it's the economy, the food, the culture, the pride, we are the heart of the country. so goes texas, so goes the united states of america.
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this is not like a conservative point of view. we have sane progressives in the state that want to secure the state. they may be a little democrat but they understand the foundations that we hold true in the state of texas. this is why in school we pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states and then we pledge allegiance to the state of texas as well. >> i can hear televisions turning off in oklahoma. i'm trying to conduct a national show here. >> god bless them. >> look at this. this is a map. if you ask and you look it up what is the heartland -- there's two different versions here. there's no clear answer. this is -- i can't see who that is according to. who is that map? by the heartlandforward.org. texas is in it. another map shows it's not. it's more like the midwest and the great plains. so i don't know. the debate rages on, lawrence. >> less than a minute.
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i want to ask you about tim waltz. >> let's hear it. >> should he be the democratic candidate for president? >> yes. double down on crazy. i like competition. i want the audience to decide who is the best texan. putting tim waltz out there is not real competition for the democratic party. it's a double down on crazy. >> between me and you, who is the real texan? >> you want that poll up there? >> yeah, any day. >> i have to step it up and get rid of this tie and suit. lawrence dominates it, 6:00 eastern, "fox and friends" every morning. great to see lawrence jones. >> we get to the heart of the matter from the heart of america. now "the five." >> dana: hello. i'm dana perino alon

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