into. >> i have literally 30 seconds and then i have to go we are out of time. he makes a good point. he was asked on cnn is kamala harris the leader of the party. it took them three seconds to say anything. >> i would say something quickly. we started looking at economic data coordinates since the 1930s and you look at economic data since the 30s most economic from america have been under democratic president. so we go to the party of john f. kennedy i think we will be fine moving forward to. >> five seconds good luck. >> a pull data from the 30s i made good luck. they need to figure out dudes playing women's sports first. >> that is the story thursday march 6 but is always the story goes on i will see you back your fox news at night. it on the coast 11:00 on the east. the will cain show starts right now.

>> will: live from texas this is the will cain show. president trump has just signed some new executive orders and is taking questions from the press. let's watch. >> i love japan we have a great relationship with japan but we have a deal with japan that we have to protect them but they don't have to protect us. you know what? that is the way they we have to protect japan and by the way, they make a fortune with us economically. but we have to protect japan but under no circumstances do they have to protect us. i actually asked who makes these deals. yes, peter? >> why state... >> president trump: i few nato as potentially good but got to get some good thinking in there. very unfair what is going to have been. until i came along we were playing close -- paying close to 100% of nato. think about it paying 100% of

the military and they are screwing us on trader. >> when zelenskyy inevitably comes back to the white house what do you expect? >> president trump: i think what is going to happen is ukraine wants to make the deal because i don't think they have a choice of. i also think that russia wants to make the deal because in a certain different way a different way that only i know only i know they have no choice. >> saudi arabia meet with putin... >> president trump: i don't know i can't tell you. going to saudi arabia. i have made a deal with the saudi arabia where normally i go to u.k. first and last time i went to saudi arabia they put up 450 billion dollars. you were there. we had american companies 450 i said this time they have gotten

richer, we have all gotten older, so i said i will go if you pay a trillion dollars. $1 trillion to american companies. meaning the purchase over a four-year period of a trillion dollars. and they have agreed to do that. so i'm going to be going there and i have a great relationship with them. they have been very nice but they will be spent take a lot of money to american companies for buying military equipment and a lot of other things. >> is that a trip in the near future? >> probably over the next month and a half. >> mr. president, you told us a couple weeks ago you were looking to speak with president xi jinping of china that has not happened. how come? >> president trump: i don't want to say that but i have spoken with him. i have a great relationship with him. it was hurt because of covid.

that's why i don't call it the china virus anymore. >> but to be clear you have spoken to him sense january 17th? >> president trump: i don't want to state -- say that but i have spoken to him. >> security clearances... do you think there should be more subset subsidy taken against other people involved in the russian collusion? >> president trump: that has to be ultimately up to the attorney general and various others. >> we saw democrats behave year during the joint adjuster conquest do you think it shows how out of touch they are with the american people? approved? >> i love this guy who are you with? >> my name is nicholas i'm with... >> president trump: i really like your questions. nick, and i know your name very well. good job.

the answer is i thought it was very embarrassing for the democrats what happened to the other night. that's not set for any other reason other than it is obvious even though cnn a fake news came out and said that her. and worse than cnn it is msnbc which is worse. and the good news is a very few people watch them anymore. they have lost such credibility and frankly what nicole wallace said i have never been a fan of hers. and she is not very talented but i will tell you what she said the other day about that young man is disgraceful. she should be forced to resign her. and rachel maddow should be forced to resign her. not possible they pay her as much money every year. but certainly she has lost all credibility but with a safety of the the day they should be forced to resign about that young person.

>> if it took talked deal it was not made on the timeline that you gave would you extend that a? >> president trump: probably. i think we have a lot of interest in tiktok. china will play a role hopefully china will approve of the deal but they are going to play a role of. but we have a lot of interest in tiktok. >> how long will you extend closer? >> president trump: we have at least another month so we don't need an extension. >> mr. president regarding the executive order down the education department are you having second thoughts on that? >> president trump: no, no, no no i want to bring the schools i want to bring the schools back to the states. i have said this a hundred times we are ranked at the bottom of the list and yet we spend more.

ranked number 1 for cost per student. ranked at the bottom of the list and education. and i know if i bring it back to iowa, indiana, all these great states i could say 40 states i want to bring it back. 10 states won't be perfect, five states probably not so good, but they will be every bit as good as norway and denmark and sweden and all of the saints right at the -- states right at the top. if you tell me about indiana and some of these great states that have run with the well. iowa, you tell me about these estates and you tell me about education they would do a lot better than somebody standing in washington, d.c., that could not care less about the people's out >> signed that order? >> president trump: i want to just do it. we have started the process get the schools back in the states. let the states around the schools.

i will tell you something is going to blow your mind it will be run so well. the school system. i also believe in school choice but that will take care of itself. >> in case the department were eliminated what department or agency would handle student loans? >> president trump: that would be brought into either treasury for small business administration or commerce. and we have actually had that discussion today. i don't think the education should be handling the loans it is not their business. i think it will be brought into small business really liked it and would like to do it. so the loans would be brought into a group and i think that is by the way the most complicated thing in moving but it is very simple if you do that. >> branch rejected your plan... what should we option to them... >> president trump: of golazo?

i think that gaza is a mess and i think that gaza could be good, it has to be run properly, but right now gaza is an absolute mess and it has been for many, many years. peter, did you have one more? >> i did. starliner astronauts stuck in space for eight months. >> president trump: biden left them up there. >> what will you do what do you know about that a? >> president trump: i know everything about that. to astronauts stuck in space i have asked elon musk i said to me a favor can you get them out to? he said yes. i think he is preparing to go up in two weeks. >> the biden white house offers some kind of spacex lobby to get these guys and they said no. >> president trump: that's what i heard i can't tell you that but that is what i heard. that biden was embarrassed by what happens and he said leave them up there. i would say if this is embarrassing you have to get

them out. elon musk is preparing to go get >> [inaudible question by the media] >> president trump: we love you we are coming up to get you you should not have been up there for so long. the most incompetent president in our history has allowed that to happen to you with this president won't allow that. we will get them out. we are coming to get you i have authorized elon musk i say can you get them out? because they have been left up there. i hope they like each other. love each other. i don't know. but they have been left up there. think of it. and i see the woman with the wild tear, a good solid head of hair that she has. no kidding no games with her hair but and you know there is a danger up there as well. they can have some failures up there. got to get them out. so i have authorized elon a week ago i said we have two people up there that biden and kamala left

up there and he knows it very well of. i that you were quick to get them. he said yes. he's got starship and they are preparing gets right now. so elon will go up and get them. should i go on that journey just to be on the ship when we stop? >> if that is an option yes. >> president trump: everybody likes it. i thought, maria, should i do it? >> when they come back from space. >> president trump: one they come back i will agree how about that. we will get them out i have authorized elon musk to go and get them. >> [inaudible question by the media] >> president trump: i think it is globalists that see how rich our country will be and they don't like it. big market out there. again they have been ripping off this country for years and now they are going to do great.

everybody would do great. but we can't let this continue to happen to america thank you very much everybody. >> thank you, sir. >> president trump: thank you very much. thank you, nick. >> will: president trump signing executive orders and taking questions in the oval office. today he signed executive orders and issued answers to questions on the following signify inc. of march as women's history month. he delayed the tariffs on canada and mexico until april second and addressed reciprocal tariffs talking about both nato and japan it. that is something we will look deeper into here on the will cain show. looking at the goods, the countries, the imbalances on reciprocal tariff. want to see if we could put together the full picture. exactly what president trump is talking about we are being treated on the -- treated poorly

on the road market when it comes to tariffs. daylight savings time he said it was a 50/50 issue, someone at light later some want it liked earlier. not an easy issue. he also brought up to issues we would be talking about later here today on the show. he talked about the astronauts who have been stranded in space. they went on the record suggesting they believe they were abandoned by former president joe biden and they are cheering on the efforts to bring them back, perhaps in two weeks, by elon musk and donald trump. we will also be that they could do some think you might not have heard in the last 12 minutes that took place just before we joined you here today on the program. that is president trump saying he wants to release within the next week the details on the assassination attempts into his life. he pointed out that one would be assassin had three apps, two of them for, and the other assassin had six phones and he is the president of the united states and doesn't have that many devices it. also, by the way, on the present to-do list what you saw flashed

up on your screen right there that is what he has been doing today. meeting with elon musk and some members of the cabinet to talk d.o.g.e and cutting waste. he has met with released hostage. he also gave a hope to cancer survivor d.j. with the joint session of congress. another big accomplishment from the administration today. a massive investment in american energy. the two cabinet members behind it are here to talk about it. before i bring them in one thing getting a lot of play online today is the song choice for their walk off a little bit earlier today. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ now joining us from louisiana sadly without a music crew to bring them in our kris wright and interior secretary dr. ago. mr. secretary, you and i have

spoken on several occasions was to create your choice of? is that your walk on walk off music for any big event? >> great to be with you. chris and i are a couple of old rockers and president trump is trying to take this country higher i can't think of better walk off music than that. >> will: i think taking the country higher is a great metaphor and a great piece of the music for what you guys are looking to do today. let me go to energy secretary right. let's talk about what you were doing in louisiana. signifies wood president trump has promised which is drill, baby, drill! talking about liquefied natural gas and not just being produced but shipped directly to europe. >> you bet. the ship behind us it arrived this morning from germany and less than 24 hours it will be loaded and sailing back to germany 100,000 homes in europe can be heated and supplied with gas for a full year just in that

tanker behind us. this is on the chic american energy to the benefit of americans and to the benefit of her friends and allies a broader. this is the way to peace. >> will: secretary, help us understand how this plays into geopolitics. because it was just this week president trump was pointing out the many european countries, is much as they talk about supporting ukraine, they have actually bought more in russian natural gas than they have in giving financial support to ukraine. so in effect financially they have been giving more to russia than they have ukraine and here we are shipping natural gas to europe. >> president trump's plan of course for u.s. energy dominance includes us to selling clean u.s. energy to our allies so they don't have to buy it from her adversaries. part of the reason why europe was buying from russia was because president biden and his administration put a ban on export facilities like we are here today. this is the most technologically

advanced facility in the world to. the largest construction project going on in america, $18 billion of additional work going into this and chris and i had a chance to address there is over 6000 patriotic american workers on site today. really the best of america. they are bringing peace to the world with the work they are doing here on this lng export facility. >> will: what does it mean for us at home a? what is a mean for jobs in louisiana? >> it is huge in louisiana. 60 days to go before president trip was inaugurated this wouldn't even be possible. no announcement of $18 billion more to expand this facility. it is a boom in louisiana, it raises wages, increases drugs, not just louisiana. over 30 states will create a thousand additional jobs to support this giant construction project.

pieces and self-assembly is manufactured all over the country and shipped here to support this construction project. president trump is just getting started. this one is massive but there will be many more. >> will: what is next? >> what is next? more exports for our allies it. also more pipelines. we have new england residents, millions of new england residents pink exceedingly high electricity prices. why? just because the pipelines to bring the gossip from pennsylvania a short distance into those communities can lower their heating costs, lowered their electricity costs, get more businesses and job opportunities blooming the new england. so president trump is dedicated to growing energy access to all americans to lower costs and also to our friends and allies a broader. we the energy we have the resources we just need permission to get going again with this president it is unleashed america.

>> will: secretaries a great entrance a great walk off earlier today. appreciate you guys in front of that tanker today in louisiana. thank you for your time. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> will: it is the gift that keeps on giving. what in the world are these democrats doing? >> choose your character! ♪ ♪ ois. i'm not an actor. i'm just a regular person. eight years ago, i just didn't feel like i was on my game. i started taking prevagen and i want people to know that prevagen has worked for me. give it a try. i want it to help you just like it has helped me. i've been taking prevagen for eight years now and it is still helping me tremendously. prevagen. for your brain. energy is like a symphony.

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site defective it. >> will: i want to have a conversation with you you were the perfect guide to have this conversation with. let's see if we can figure this out together what are they doing? what is happening to democrats? >> do you remember that one moment where ann coulter is on will mark, joy reid is sitting on this i don't know if it is joy reid or priscilla but somebody is sitting on this and then bill maher says right now who do you think is most likely to become a president? and she says donald trump. and they're like what? donald trump. everybody lost their minds. she was the first big-name that said he is going to be the president and people were like what? she will be right about that conversation? here is what is going on to. when i think about in the democratic party right now you have the silent majority. and then you have everybody else following the lead of somebody

telling them what to do so they are doing whatever somebody tells them what to do. like these guys right now the dancing somebody thought that was a good idea. it is embarrassing when you see what they are looking like. go to the democratic side and think about the disruptors of the democratic side today. that they can't be controlled. one of them is a friend of ours, stephen a. smith, right? is going out there doing what he is doing. he was on "the view" to try to get them and he says i'm not here supporting trump but i am supporting the truth. let me tell you what he has 80 9% he starts going to the numbers, 89% of counties, all of the states, everything. he is doing something they don't like and he can't be controlled to. gavin newsom does a podcast with charlie kirk and opened by asking the question what do you think the democratic party need to do to improve? he is not doing that because the democratic party told him to do that i think a part of him is... don't get me wrong of it a part

of it is destruction he doesn't want people thinking about the fire so he is bringing people out to say going to be independent. but they need disruption to. 21% the house is there approval rating on the left. 21% is there approval rating. this is by far the most embarrassing moment for the democratic party i have seen in my lifetime. >> will: you can see on the screen 21% approval rating for democratic members of congress are. we are going to sell the stuff together. here is my thought. i think they are totally lost. i think he democratic party might be dying. okay? what i mean by that is what you have known as the democratic party for the past 30, 40 years is on its last dying breath's. symbolized by doing a choose your fighter video with jasmine crockett. the reason they are dying is because of donald trump. they are chasing donald trump and being anti-donald trump into being anti-american. it is not about being on the left you want to be on the left

to be on the left. what you have marginalized yourself into now are these 10, 20% popularity issues because they are on the other side of donald trump. donald trump remixed the republican party. i think we both agree he did that he remained it from what it was before him. total disruptor. they have not figured out that we knew it landscape. and then dying? the democratic party actually collapsing is what is necessary for them to rebuild themselves and a new image in this new political landscape. the reason i will lay this out i don't know how gavin newsom fits in that. i don't know how he fits in the new landscape. maybe stephen a but he needs to find a new issue such. you have to find what you are about and rebuild it from the ashes of. >> let me ask you a question. when you think about the old democratic party, john f. kennedy, what did they run on? they ran on no war, i did not want the war, he ran on it not a fan of what was going on with the fed he was not a fan of

that. they ran on certain issues may be later on the pro-choice what wanted to do with their personal life but what is the policies they represent today? i don't know what their policies are today. is it just lgbtq? is it just climate change? what are their policies. adam for many years was a registered democrat. first time in his life he has voted for republican president president donald trump. he has never done that 44 years old. you got a letter from the democratic party asking him what do you think about this and what you think about that? what are the top issues for you with trump? what scares you the most. they are really trying to figure they don't know what they want. they don't know what is resonating. they have to run full's to figure out i don't know what they stand for today. if the president just trying to prevent war they are now automatically fallen on the other side of wanting quark? is that their position now?

if president trump is saying no tax on tips you don't stand up for that? if the president says keep it meant out of women's sports but you are wearing pink dresses representing women but you want to men out of women's sports? the president says no tax for social security payments for people above a certain age? you literally are sitting there saying what are you guys for. every thank you are against nobody knows what you are for and that is why president trump is dominating. >> will: that is what you end up with headlines like this. politico saying the democratic party has lost its way, democratic's are have lost their way. we have no coherent message. i think what we are both agreeing on is the way you have to move forward is first of all they have to forget two words. they have to got to where it's out of their mind and those two words are donald trump. no more should they be thinking about donald trump. as long as they are thinking about him they are reacting

negatively to whatever he is for at this point. he is for issues that 80% of americans are for. for american issues, that has pushed them into being anti-american. they need to go into the darkness and decide who, not stephen it, not gavin, but want to. what are we about what are we for? >> they don't have that. what is going to happen right now is the member the disruption that the president had president trump in 2015 the and the criminals and at that and that on that and we have to get them out of here oh, he is racist against mexicans. when he first came out and said that but that was a disruptive idea he came up with. i don't work there is anybody on the left that comes up with ideas like this is the president desk. the president that has to sit and run around so many different people propose that the ideas and he is like let me just kind of do a quick focus group. i want to get up and say i don't know if we were talked -- possibly talking about doing xyz

oh, they reacted positively lets see how they are debating. he watches everybody debate and this is good they like it. let's take a deeper. who is that disruptor on the left? i don't know who the disruptor is on the left. everybody is trying to follow each other. the reason why i said stephen a is because he can't be controlled to. one of the things that i think about. they can't control but they still do not have a disruptor. >> will: i mean outside of the names we talked about the other one would be john fetterman. but he always gives good analysis at the ppd podcast. check them out i love having conversations not always an interview would go back and forth. thank you so much. >> good to be on thank you. >> will: seven months since the attempt on president trump's life in butler, pennsylvania. why don't we know more about it? president trump just talked about it in the oval office and we will dive into that with matt taibbi next.

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the cell phones. i have told them in fact today i said we can no longer blame biden for that one. he should have released that a long time ago. so what they are giving me a report next week sometime and i do believe that there will be... >> will: president trump says he is willing to release the report on the assassination attempts against them. the one in butler, pennsylvania happened over seven months ago why don't we know more about it? investigative journalist matt to be b is here now. from your perspective, you are a curious guy, you take a deep, i think this is fascinating that we do not know more. i will take some responsibility for that i have only had my own show for about two months now but we should be digging in on this. not just immediate i can't believe there haven't been more accountability and information released to the public about the

would be assassination, two of them, on a presidential candidate. >> it was really a strange incident this summer. the story was huge news for about a day and then subsequently we were told some artifacts, the fbi released information that they interviewed a hundred different witnesses who were familiar with the suspect but they had no mode of evidence whatsoever. they could not tell us anything at all about why the shooting had taken place. and then the story just sort of fell out of the new cycle. really quickly. there was a house investigation where there were general recommendations given to the secret service but there was really nothing about why this happened. and it is an odd lack of curiosity not only on the part of the media which dropped the story like a hot potato, but also on the part of the

investigating bodies. which i think is what we are about to find out now is that they have perhaps pursued others if they haven't told us about it. >> will: and no accountability by the way. i don't know that anybody from the secret service has been held accountable for whatever field of that day. clearly something filled. you said an interesting phrase you said and all the luck of curiosity. whenever you encounter an auto lack of curiosity you seem to think there is a reason for that lack of curiosity and we can apply that to any number of stories that you and i have lived through. you are not curious about you can just pick one. vaccine injury you are not curious about it at all? does not mean there is no story where there is a much bigger story? if i apply passed rationale to this there is a much bigger story than the assassination attempts. >> i think you make a great point. look at the covid origin story. we were told at the outside of

that episode that we were to investigate the possibility of anything but soon on the gorge and of the virus. tom cotton tried to make some... remarks about that in the senate and was roundly blasted for doing good. there were people who commented on line and had their comments is suppressed and subsequently we had the department of energy the fbi and the cia all say that it was more likely that it came from a lab but we had to wait three years for that to even be discussed below. i think the same kind of thing is happening with the assassination topic. there were early reports that made it to new scrapers about the possibility of accomplices to. but then we heard nothing. we did not hear anything about whether or not they were investigating that further from months. so it is a strange thing. i would like to know whether or not they have pursued that fully and what they have found and when they did it.

>> will: i think for you, a guy like you who has plenty of a fertile ground to plough, and i like to think what i hope we can do on this show as well as anytime you are told and do not look here this is not interesting don't be curious or don't use critical thinking, which i think applies as well to the war with russia or ukraine, then you know you are on fertile ground to. you have an issue that deserves some attention. that is what we experienced with covid. by the way, the new head of the nih he went before senate today and he talked about that time period and the suppression of not just critical thought with speech as well. watch this. >> the pandemic is a very difficult thing in so many people have different ideas and an environment of uncertainty. the route with people who had alternate ideas were suppressed. i personally was subjected to censorship by the actions of the bonds and administration during the pandemic. signs to succeed -- science it

to succeed and need to free speech, an environment where there is tolerance for dissent. >> will: the most fascinating thing about that is a science of all places means dissent. science and all places means disagreement and debate. >> it was a very strange thing. people repeating mantras like believe the science except science is argument. so it made no sense. you showed him there i know him very well i got to know him through the twitter files one of the first things that we found in the twitter files was the screen shot of twitter's internal readouts of his account which had a big thing on it that said trans-black list. that was our first proof they were doing shadow banning which they denied up until that time. we subsequently found out that there was a long list of people who did not even have particularly on ideas about covid. not ideas that run counter to government policy and these things were considered to

suppress or increase hesitancy. so therefore it was a form of misinformation. jay is a renowned scientist. all he did is an experiment that showed that covid was a both more infectious and less deadly than we were being told to. for that he was suppressed for years of. which is ridiculous. >> will: and as he reported and shared with us not just at the behest of x, then twitter, but on the behest of government officials asking it to be done on x and facebook and google and youtube. let's bring this back home. what subjects like if you give me the top five list we can do top three for matters of time, what subject were the most off limit as you dug into the twitter files? what subjects got you blacklisted what subjects were the ones you were allowed to be curious or have critical thinking or disagreement? >> covid had to be in the top

three. i think the ukraine war was up there. and then russia gates probably is a time with 2020 election issues. certainly they automatically grant anybody who expressed any kind of skepticism about the 2020 election results. but even before the elections they were getting rid of a lot of people who were you know saying anything that could be construed as misinformation to. but covid and the wars were the big ones i would say. >> will: to our point to that means fertile ground to journalism right there. which i know you do. and check out matt tahiti. always appreciate you having you on like that. is joe biden playing politics? the reason two astronauts are still stuck in space. it sure sounds like it.

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♪ ♪ >> will: big day in space, a 15-foot tall robotic latter touches down on the moon coming to the south pole but its exact fate is unclear. the company confirmed the spacecraft landed but we don't know what kind of shape it's in. and a couple of hours, spacex is taking another shot at launching a starship vehicle, it will attempt to catch the super heavy booster using chopsticks -- not actual chopsticks but the space chopsticks like it did last t time. staying in space, the next story is stunning. it's been nine months since astronauts butch wilmore and sonny williams have been stuck in space because they went up last june to test a vehicle that would transport astronauts in orbit. the mission was supposed only

last a few days but instead they got stuck up there. they are expected to return home next week. they held a news conference and one of them revealed this. >> elon musk has said he may be offered to bring you guys back earlier and it was denied. my first question is -- is that true and if so what would that have looked like? was he offering to make another flight, push seats on another flight? >> i can only say mr. musk, what he says is absently factual. we have no information on that whatsoever. what was offered, what was not offered, who it was offered to, that's information recently don't have. i believe him. >> will: joining me now is a retired nasa astronaut terry birch who back in 2015 was stuck in space for about a month longer than he should have been up there. thanks for being with us. one month versus nine months, can you sympathize or is that so

long you have no idea what they are going through? >> i can sympathize. it was a a similar issue. they could have brought us home and left the station undermanned with less astronauts that they wanted but they decided to keep us there until they can launch the next rocket. that's kind of a similar situation. we could have brought them home months ago and left the station with only a handful, with one american but nasa didn't want to do that. eight-month is longer than one month i'm sure but i was in a similar situation, didn't know how long it was going to be and that turned oue difficult. president trump talked about it today, it's even difficult and personal relationships to be stuck up there that long. i hope they like each other, they may now love each other. here is president trump. >> two astronauts stuck in space, i have asked elon -- i said to me a favor, can you get them out? he is preparing to go up in two

weeks. [reporter questioning] >> that's what i heard, i can't tell you that but that's what i heard. biden was embarrassed by what happened and he said leave them up there. i would've said if you're embarrassed you've got to get them out to. elon is preparing a ship to go up and get them. >> will: what do you think about -- is there in your mind anyway politics could have played a role in leaving these astronauts up in space for nine months? >> what happened was, the bowling had its issue, the capsule worked fine. nasa wasn't 100% sure it would look fine. they decided not to bring these to go aston is down on the capsule. they did a small study to give spacex a study and i've talked to people on the inside, they said it will be $250 million of taxpayer dollars, we can launch another capsule. that would have brought them

home at the three or four month point and nasa said we don't have $250 million laying around the couch. they said we will make them part of the normal six month rotation. they are tough, they are trained to do this so they got to stick around for $0, we didn't have to pay any extra money. this capsule already launched last fall but what this really says and i think this is really important -- let's make an nasa not political. republicans like nasa, democrats like nasa, everybody likes the moon and pluto and jupiter and galaxies, let's get politics out of this. this is a poster child for a massive multibillion-dollar government contractors ceos should not be best friends with the president. the conflict if they are committed to give conflict of interest a bad name, it's corruption. we need to back away, give nasa the breathing space to not be political and just make smart safety based decisions and not a

political based decisions because astronauts are my friends, we need -- safety needs to come over every political nonsense. >> will: when you say have a big corporate ceos as friends of the president, it's corruption, where you reference elon musk? >> of course i am, yes. >> will: so you think it's corrupt that elon musk is helping the president out in various different efforts including doge but one of those efforts includes a spacex to bring astronauts home? >> i love what spacex does, it's amazing what they have accomplished, that's not corrupt at all. the problem is when you give the one contractor information, boeing and lockheed in northrop grumman's may not appreciate that. of course he would never want to give one contractor, we have rules about this. there is actually ethics and

laws and to give one government contractor all of this data is insane. it's the definition of what you shouldn't do. that's what happens in russia and other countries for that's not what we should be doing here. >> will: i have to take a disagreement with you, i have to -- looking at government programs and not awarding contracts based on cost and who can spend the most money and failed to get their job done but look at someone who could get do it at a much cheaper rate, a more frequent rate like we've seen from spacex is a better use of the taxpayer dollars. i agree, we all love space exploration, we love the brave astronauts who go up there. we don't have to love the cost inefficient way we've been going about it and have to embrace every failure to point out if somebody steps in in a more efficient and more successful way there could be some mark of corruption that is involved in that. >> that's why nasa gave spacex these contracts and different companies these contracts. now, elon has insight into a lot

of things that no other contractor has, do you agree that that's not proper? do you agree contractor should be treated equally and given the same information? there is an entire industry of lawyers and ethics to make sure that happens and that's apparently not happening. >> will: to be clear to you and everybody watching right now i have 30 seconds until my show ends so cutting this conversation short is going to be because of that fact. but do i think elon has more information yes but he's promised a level of transparency and should any conflict of interest comes up he hopes he can lay it out for all of us to see in the market for the public. i think of this conversation the one you and i started about saving astronauts from space we are talking about a great use of his genius. i got nine seconds, i appreciate the conversation. i look forward to bringing astronauts home. we get to the heart of the matter. ♪ ♪ >> jesse: i'm jesse watters along with