chicago bears and i would be the philadelphia eagles. it would be an ugly look for him i welcome him into the political arena. >> the lakers have done something big. >> the celtic's play the lakers. >> tradition. all the way back to that. robert, 10 seconds on the whole concept here where harris might run for governor in california what do you think? >> i am a fan of her but i think i hope she takes a big-time else right now and i think running for governor would not be the best move even though nixon did it in 1960. >> thank you both. and that is the story friday march seventh but as always the story goes on and i will see you back here for fox news at night. 8:00 in the west, 11:00 in the east, and the will cain show starring will cain starts right now. ♪ ♪

>> will: live from texas this is the will cain show. we have come a long way from the days of joe biden. 4:00 on a friday and there is a lot going on. right now president trump is hosting the first ever crypto summit. let's take a lesson. >> here today shows how much a leader d trump administration and our president is. he understands it, he embraces it, as you said you are a pioneer in this place, and this is where we are going. using block chain, using bitcoin, going to use digital assets to go forward and donald trump's leading the way can't be more proud of. >> thank you very much. thank you. [applause] kelly go ahead, please. >> thank you, mr. president. this is truly a historic day and does a crypto founder i could not be more proud to be part of your administration.

you are moving at the speed of tech for sure and i will say it is a great day to have the war on not just crypto with the war on innovation done. onto your administration we will truly enter into the golden age. i was they as the administrator of the spa small business is a tremendous network that crypto can be deployed against. so the spa is open to crypto so i look forward to working with all of the good leaders in this room to advance your efforts here thank you. >> president trump: thank you, kelly. thank you. [applause] please. >> mr. president i want to say thank you. i want to say thank you for the amazing tb put together thank you for david, this kind of a meeting, nobody in this room could have envisioned this a couple years ago. you are the one that has the vision. you were the one that said we will do 21st century finance right here in the united states of america. i have been doing this for nine

years and it is amazing how far we have come and that is accredited to you, mr. president, and your leadership. it will make a huge difference with everything else you were doing. by the way americans love it. they are going crazy. >> president trump: thank you very much. go ahead, please. >> does anybody want to say a couple words? cameron or tyler? >> president trump: you are very shy. >> cameron you said something earlier that i thought was really profound you said a year ago you thought it would be more likely he would end up in jail then at the white house. let's put you at the spot because you didn't do anything wrong with that was the environment a year ago. you guys want to say something? >> that was actually tyler who said that. i still get mixed up. but never thought we would get attacked the way we did in our backyard trying to do the right

thing for so many years. and always trying to raise the bar with respect for regulation. so it is truly wonderful to see how things have changed until the pendulum has swung back in the way that it has. we have always felt that the u.s. should lead and bitcoin and crypto and it is ours to sort of lead and wind and it is just a wonderful what president trump has been doing with this and we look forward to working together. thanks for inviting us and setting this up. >> president trump: thank you thank you both. please. >> i was just going to say thank you, mr. president. cameron takes credit for a lot of things i say so it is not the first time. the u.s. won the internet on the u.s. should win crypto so thank you for your leadership on this. >> president trump: thank you very much. high iq individuals around this table that is what i say. we need high iq so thank you

very much. would anybody like to say anything? >> i just want to express my deep gratitude for the seriousness with which you are approaching our industry and tell you are helping guide it in the right direction. central banks and other countries and when i was working there i was wondering why i, as an american citizen, can't help the united states financial system reach this higher level of the world is on. of course generally and so i am very grateful that finally there has been a new level of kind of common sense and adoption of these ideas. me and other people in this room believe that the crypto blockchain web three infrastructure is the next iteration of the financial system. and i think the u.s. should have its leadership position continue in that new financial system. i am very, very happy to see people like david sacks, secretary besson, secretary lutnick taking this seriously. very grateful to them. so i am just overjoyed to see

this. i think it is a big part of how the u.s. can continue its goal and the global financial system so thank you. >> president trump: thank you very much. i thought it was very important that we stay in the front of this one. this is a big one. and as you know china is pushing forward and very strongly as usual. what we are way and the lead as we are in ai and other things. we want to stay there. i thought this was very important and we have some brilliant people sitting around this table. it is an honor to have you involved what we want to stay at the forefront of everything. this is very important date in your lives i know you worked some of you very long, long before people understood what was happening. so i congratulate you. but this is a big day. being in the white house is a big deal and you have great support thank you all very much. [applause] >> will: you have been watching the first ever crypto

somebody from the white house. a panel of participants including comer secretary howard lutnick, treasury secretary scott bessent, kelly loeffler of the spa. house majority whip one of the founding group of facebook and now big pioneers in cryptocurrency. and david sachs ai and crypto sorry. the day has been marked by the creation of the first-ever united states crypto reserve. david sachs renouncing on x that the reserve will be capitalized by bitcoin owned by the federal government that was forfeited as part of a criminal or civil asset forfeiture proceeding. this means it will not cost taxpayers a dime. the u.s. will not sell any bitcoin deposited into the reserve, it will be kept as a stored value. the reserve is like a digital fort knox for cryptocurrency often called digital gold to. i'm going to risk and now a moment to that can beat reminiscent of katie couric and matt lauer on "the today show"

asking what is the internet to. i'm going to risk a moment of not pretending like i am an expert on something i don't think about. every time i talked to an expert on cryptocurrency i find myself feeling like i understand it less. you saw it flashed on your screen. i decided to bring in one of the smartest people i know periods intelligence matches the bow tie, the physical appearance of the mental acuity are in synchronicity. it is jeffrey tucker of the brownstone institute. i have but to think i am not alone there. i do understand that cryptocurrency is not legal tender but can be used to like legal tender like the u.s. dollar. and every form of currency, be it goat, the dollar, or crypto, requires the faith of everybody involved to believe in that currency. but help me understand what is the backing of cryptocurrency? the dollar is backed by the full faith and credit of the united states government what facts cryptocurrency?

>> you certainly know how to ask questions. the important piece of the technology is the blockchain. i have to say i have been watching for 10 years prior to the creation of bitcoin waiting for digital money to come along and they kept failing every one of them. they kept failing because they were proprietary products. they were owned by a single company. the website would get hacked. the reproduction and scams were all over the place. and nobody could really come up with it. what happened in 2009 at the plummet of bitcoin in 2010 was the innovation of this thing called the blockchain which is a distributed system that everybody can look at, that runs on a protocol that is just a brilliant keeper of her records. records of ownership. that is what it does. yes? >> will: i'm just going to say so that blockchain and i will

follow along with you so i understand, that is basically how we ensure that there is no no counterfeit within cryptocurrency. you can authenticate every bitcoin or piece of cryptocurrency by tracking its history of transactions through blockchain, is that correct? >> that is more or less correct. a method for deciding who owns what are the difference between a mine and thine. it prevents double sprinting. and if you think about it we talk about this as innovation and it is to. but the need for record keeping and assignment of property titles dates back to as far as recorded history. we used to do it on proprietress than we came up with a vellum and that is what lead to the invention of double entry bookkeeping. and then we got paper. the ubiquity of paper in the 19th century. in the 1970s we came up with

databases and that was another think of. so it got the technical revolution. the invention of blockchain as another method for doing essentially what papyrus did essentially what fell this -- vellum did was brilliant. it adapted record-keeping technology to the digital age. it was the first time anything like that had been done it. so well, if i can just extend on that slightly and say there is a lot of focus on bitcoin it. and in a sense that is just the name for something. what matters is that this record-keeping technology called blockchain needs a token to go with it. and the very first token was bitcoin. therefore it has a lot of network effects and high status and a lot of security associated with it. but it could be under any name and have many different properties. it becomes a programmable token

that is related to this underlying technology called blockchain. thank you for letting me explain this. i think too often people think it is some mysterious mysterious new weird thing. it is not. it is an old-fashioned need with a new digital solution to. >> will: i'm glad you explained it. here's the deal i will tell everybody watching at home i'm giving time because i have to stand this. i'm blowing out the show so we can understand this together. i get blockchain. help me understand another mystery. how do you create a cryptocurrency? at one time it was physically printed, now it can be expanded by the federal reserve on the ledger sheet, right? issue new bonds. that is part of the complaint a lot of people have. the federal reserve can print new dollars and watered down the value of my daughter. what is the end result when you trace back on the blockchain transactions and the tokens on top of it how do you create a bitcoin?

how do you is ensure the -- how do you ensure the market is not flooded with new ones? it escapes my understanding. >> mining is nothing but settling transactions. the key to these tokens is that the means of exchange like a payment the thing that you exchange and the system of settling transactions built into the same technology. the technology is of critical fixture -- feature of these things. strictly governed according to a protocol. distributed first to the people who volunteer processing power to make the settlements work. it is a brilliant technology. the first time i understood it it was the moment i think in 2000 early 2013 when i finally understood that the number of bitcoin's if you create is strictly limited.

i thought strictly limited? that is amazing. that is an improvement over the dollar obviously. >> will: last question. bitcoin and i keep using bitcoin because of that like coke for soft drinks. the name everybody understands it is cryptocurrency. cryptocurrency is often the enthusiasts of cryptocurrency are people who are i think first the doctors on technology often and those who are skeptical of centralized government. those seem to be the two most powerful centers of cryptocurrency. if you are skeptical of centralized government, or you concerned hearing about a reserve being created by the central government today? david sacks? they are creating a bitcoin and crypto reserve and what you like about this is it is decentralized. does it continue to see the federal government here taking a big position in the evaluation of any cryptocurrency? >> from my point of view this is not ideally what i would like.

what i would like is an end to the war on cryptocurrency and an end to the war on bitcoin that began in 2013. there has been so much carnage along the way all of these years to. so the fact that the federal government now has a steak in this sort of give and get legitimacy maybe it is not the solution i would have first picked but i'm just glad it is a symbol of an end on the war on cryptocurrency which began, as i said, in 2013. it has been painful to watch. so much carnage and so many businesses destroyed and lives destroyed it. in that sense of this is kind of a bid to date. if only it is a clean stop to the war on cryptocurrency. >> will: it legitimizes it as an official currency. i understand more than when we began to talk i will say that. i can't fully pretend to understand it just yet. all i can say is i hope you

understand more than when we began this conversation. thank you so much. the president has had a very busy day i want to catch up quickly here is what is on the presidents to-do list. started today with oval office remarks on the economy and ukraine it. he posted on truth social about south africa. he wrote any farmer with family from south africa seeking to flee that country for reasons of safety will be invited into the united states of america with a rapid pathway to citizenship. also signed an executive order establishing white house task force on fifa world cup of 2026. and $400 million and columbia grants were canceled college of columbia over the legal campus protests. d.o.g.e also in an uphill battle with the courts. senior republican saying they have a solution. senator mark winbledon tells us what that is next.

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senators which of course republicans have. the goal is to claw back federal money that has already been appropriated and avoid legal run-ins in the process. some say it is better than the router that would go down the 1974 impoundment control act. that without the president to temporarily withhold appropriate funds, in some cases, but also restrict the president's ability to freeze them and that is what you were seeing litigated in courts right now across the country. my next guest is one of the senators who spoke this week with elon musk and he is here to help explain this and educate all of us. oklahoma senator mark. i always loved being educated by an ot with 21st names but he does understand this issue and many more. you at the very least has to give me a smile arose people will thank you hate me. can you hear me, senator? >> i only hear the program. >> will: that is a good thing for me.

as i'm sitting there and making fun of the senator he is stone-faced. one of my favorite guys in congress and he can laugh at the fact that he has two names in run up your -- one. the rescissions process hopefully we can get senator mullen up here and get the program working. the senator has been they have a breakthrough. all of the savings by d.o.g.e have to be moved into the legislative process at some point. congress will have to be the ones to control our spending. and the way they hope this can happen is if they can forward this through this bill look, this process they only need 51 senators and they can make real a savings. implement real savings that can be lasting. right now elon musk contract cancelation and so forth being challenged in court and reel questions about whether or not that will be something that can make reel change. with government spending over the long term. i don't know if we have the

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♪ ♪ >> will: breaking news out of santa fe, new mexico, officials wrapping up a press conference on the mysterious death of dr. gene hackman and his wife. live in denver with the latest. >> the santa fe county sheriff's department traffic up a news conference a minute ago and the chief medical examiner for the state of new mexico says it is reasonable to conclude that betsy over kara also known as betsy hackman died seven days before her husband actor gene hackman. >> the cause of death for ms.

betsy hackman age 65 years is hard to virus pulmonary syndrome. the manner of death is natural it. the death for mr. gene hackman age 95 years is hypertensive and atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease with alzheimer's disease as a significant contributory factor. >> two-time oscar-winner and his wife were found dead in their santa fe, new mexico, home on february 26. according to the sheriff their bodies were found in separate rooms and showed signs of a mummification. the initial investigation found hackman appeared to have fallen or collapsed in a mud room off of the kitchen and his wife was found in the bathroom with a space heater next to her head and on the counter an open prescription bottle with pills scattered around to. a search of the home for law enforcement recovered to cell phones, thy word and blood

pressure medication, tylenol, medical records, and a calendar. their bodies and that of one of their dogs were discovered by a maintenance worker at the sprawling home. up until now the sheriff had said foul play was not a factor but waiting for today's update because he repeatedly said it was suspicious. now hot to virus is a respiratory illness transferred from rodents to people. >> will: thank you for that. she died seven days before him a detail that probably deserves a little bit more investigation of. we had a couple technical issues in the past blocked let's try this again it. joy, by the way, on x says i thought the senator mullen would come through the camera and grab you. oklahoma senator mark wayne a mile and a joining us now. i take it you can hear me now, senator. >> i can hear you now. >> will: i was doing this whole thing like he is from oklahoma so i'm not trusting him to give me a deep explanation on

the rescission process and on top of that he has 21st names how do i use him as an expert and you were flat faced and you had nothing and it looked like he is ready to come kill me. but you couldn't hear me. great? just to be clear you couldn't hear me? >> the only thing i heard was music. going to break you said something about 21st names and a friend and it went to break. >> will: okay all right so we are still on good terms. i was playing around with you. i mean you know this. i bring you and because i do trust you as somebody not only as an honest truth teller but somebody who understands this process. a fascinating process put forward i believe by senator rand paul of the rescissions process. away for the white house to make a recommendation to the senate to make these d.o.g.e spending cuts something reel up through the legislative process. is that i like the process we can see play out here to get real a government and efficiency and spending?

>> when you start looking at the rescission process and unauthorized agencies and programs those to collide perfect in what d.o.g.e is trying to do. there is literally thousands of programs and departments outside of agencies that have not been reauthorized however congress is constantly fighting these programs. a lot of those programs is what the president wrote on tuesday night. when you start talking about the program so that we could trigger because of the 1974 act and then also the agencies and departments and programs that are not reauthorized but yet funded, the president is not obligated to spend those dollars. when we appropriate dollars on authorized agencies or authorized programs meaning that congress has voted and approved on them it is a very difficult for the president then to go around congress because of 1974

act. i know this is walking but just hold tight on me. anything that is unauthorized the president is not obligated to spend but he can't reappropriated he has to send it back to the treasury. we are good with that. we are trying to save american taxpayer dollars and balance the budget. the president's list of -- laser focused underneath his presidency to actually have a balanced budget which we have not had and two decades or two and a half decades. >> will: i think i kept up. i think i do. this is about agencies that are no longer authorized or their authorization has expired but still being funded. the president then through the rescission act can go to you guys and say stop appropriating this money let's make the savings permanent. i believe the estimate somewhere between a hundred... >> days to work on that. >> will: 45 days to work on that after he makes the recommendation.

what kind of savings? i have heard up to 500 billion you can do through this process. >> i think the number i was actually texting with elon musk last night and one in the morning because he is like president trump and literally does not sleep. i was sending him a pdf file on the literally and over a thousand programs that are not reauthorized by the president. going through those numbers that our office had uncovered for him , we had well over $250 billion just there. 500 and we just scratched the surface. 500 is really the beginning of it. what went wrong on this the reason we have so many agencies that are authorized back in the 90s we kicked doing -- what they're doing line item appropriations. you take any city, any county, and he states in the union they do line item appropriations and

congress is supposed to control the purse strings. we don't -- no longer control the purse strings because corporations got caught up in the public to her by congress abusing this power and starting doing earmarks which is how you get the bridge to nowhere. congress overreacted and took our ability away to do what d.o.g.e is doing and go through it line by line by line to. truly underneath the current policy that the house and the senate operates out of we actually can't do that. when the president stood up reading all these lines of wasteful money being spent i now recall who stood up and clapped but i was embarrassed because that is our job. we have not been able to do our job because we played politics with it and took away line item appropriations. >> will: one last question i'm over time. and i was over time. but the rescissions process would only take 51 senators and of course you have more than that. republican senators would you get 51 republican votes to cut

all of this as you pointed out at least 250 billion baby 500 billion in savings? >> i think we absolutely could. the president and the senate and the house are talking every single day and i have never seen us work this close together. president trump is leading from the front and constantly communicating with both bodies on a daily basis. >> will: senator mark wayne mullen. all of the respect and dignity that that and be used i want to make sure that he is not just to mark wayne a from oklahoma he is senator mark wayne mullen who ushered in a great deal of president trump's cabinet. great to see you thank you. >> thanks. >> will: what is going on in south africa? let's deep dive on south africa. and farmers now from there moving to america next. ...doing subway tile in an ivory,

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♪ ♪ >> will: president trump offering some self african farmers an expedited path to citizenship in the united states. and the truth the social post trump says quote, south africa is being terrible.

they are confiscating land and farms for a long time farmers in the country and much worse than that. a bad place to be right now. last month president trump signed an executive order halting the foreign aid to the country fuelling disproportionate violence against racially disfavoured landowners. joining me now is senior editor-at-large joe a pollock. i have followed you for a long time i didn't know you are from south africa. fascinating you bring some firsthand knowledge to this. what is going on at? we hear a lot about this what has happened to whether you are looking at reverse racial discrimination and violence and farms being reappropriated what is happening at south africa? >> i was born in south africa grew up in chicago living at l.a. right now and south africa is a fascinating place. when i was born there there was racial discrimination, the apartheid system, which is why

my family left a lot of others left. in 1994 there was a transition to a fully democratic society with a new constitution in 1996. that is the country with which the united states has relations and friendly and good relations. what has happened since then is that the government, which is dominated by the african national congress party, has become increasingly racially obsess to. it has all of these rules and requirements. for example you have to handle for 25 or 30% of the equity in your company to a historically disadvantaged individual who generally is somebody close to the ruling party, not simply a black south african, but somebody the ruling party wants you to deal with but then there is the threat to land owners. much of the farmland is disproportionately owned by white south africans as a result of south africans history. it is good farmland, commercially productive, and

employs a lot of people in rural areas. some of the radical extreme nationalist in south africa say they want to sees in that white farmland and redistribute it. and south africa recently passed and expropriation act with in theory allow the government to take land without compensation it. the government says we are doing that but the government says there is a great need to redistribute the land so it looks more racially representative of the country. some extremist parties go out there and say you were absolutely right this allows expropriation and that is what we intend to do if we ever get power. >> will: so it is difficult because you have a historically you have about a problem, discrimination from the past and south africa. and now you have existing present circumstances that rest upon that discrimination from the past. but how do you corrected? the answer seems to be increasingly in south africa you corrected with the exact kind of thing you have in the past just

in and reverse now. >> you look at the united states we have an agricultural sector that is very large and do we ask our farmers to be completely demographically representative of the rest of the country? what is the percentage of gay farmers out there? match the percentage of gay farmers to the percentage of the population? this becomes a ridiculous game. what is important when it comes to addressing -- redressing the past injustices is a... you don't do that by taking wealth from one group and giving it to another even if the group was favored in the past. you do it by growing the economy for everybody. what south africa needs to do is go beyond race not just in farming but in every sector of the economy and grow its economy again. south africa only grew by 0.6% and the last quarter of last year. way too slow for a developing economy. growing faster you need foreign investment. no foreign investor will come

into south africa and give up 30% of their company to somebody that the ruling party comes up with that might not be able to do the job for understand the industry. they need to do the job. what is the united states interested? united states want south africa to be strong they are an important alibi and it is strategic location but they can't be strong if they have these discriminatory practices that slow down the economy. >> will: a great point i can't help but notice i have another technological issue i am dealing with in my studio. i'm not in my mom's basement by the way i am in a professional studio. >> what is happening to you by the way it is a very common experience in south africa where you will see somebody on tv and the studio will go dark. public services are feeling the electricity is failing and it is failing because of this aggressive affirmative action that is causing skilled people to leave. elon musk and others are saying

we want to do business with you but you have to stop the racial discrimination. >> will: i would like to think that is an excuse for what is happening to my show but i don't think it is. one last point on the way out. they would probably like me to stop talking so they can freak out what is going on behind me. your point about the way you were dressed past racial injustice is creating a society and economy that works for everyone if you don't do that you have trouble redress over and over. and your point about the farmers and the united states we were down that path with the embrace of dei. we were headed down the path of what impart we are seeing in south africa. always interesting. >> long -- one last point if i could very quickly. >> will: i want you to but they are freaking out because now they will put me back on tv with my tech problems behind me. >> south africa has relationships with the rod, china, and palestinian terrorist groups and that has to stop as well that is another reason why

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ask your prescriber about wegovy®. ♪ ♪ >> will: this may be the most interesting story of the day. some members of congress getting candid about life on capitol hill. this headline really got our attention this morning. sex, drinking and dementia, 25 lawmakers spill on work congress is really like peered a lot of interesting quotes in the article. joining me now's "washington examiner"'s tea low. and the ruthless podcast host. grabbed glad to have you both on the show. you know, the drinking thing, it

didn't really resonate with me. you know, senator markwayne mullin on our show, brought this up during pete hegseth confirmation battle, which if you haven't shown up here, you know, without drinking? put this quote is the one that got me, john. it was from a democrat. he said yeah, there are some people who showed up drinking. not many democrats, though. in fact, he questioned openly whether or not it was democratic colleagues had showed up high. >> [laughs] it's just, it's ridiculous. and you know what occurred to me when i read this story, will, is that if you are planning a spring break trip to our nation's capital with your family, you might want to avoid congress at night. it's turned into a zoo. this place you've got on one side of the capitol building animal house, on the other side of the capitol building you have a nursing home. and so at night is not the place -- it's not the time you want to go. >> will: substance abuse is

only one part of the problem. listen to this quote from a democrat congressman. when talking about senators and congressmen that are over the hill, a little bit old come along in the tooth, he said no question somewhere between six a dozen of my colleagues ready point where i don't think they have their faculties to do their job. we all talk about it when it comes to mitch mcconnell or when joe biden was in office, but there was dianne feinstein. this to me actually is more concerning than even substance abuse. it's people who just simple aren't capable anymore of doing their job. >> oh, absolutely. at least the defense is everyone's drinking 4:11 p.m. votes. the issue with these incredibly old lawmakers is there not functional ever during the day. kay granger managed to live in a retirement facility for half of her term last year and remember, right now congressional approval rating is literally half that of

donald trump's, barely a quarter of the country thinks congress is doing an okay, passable job, and part of this is why, 84-year-old nancy pelosi still effectively running the democrat party. >> will: do you think that's an argument -- i'll tell you this. i believe we should have term limits. john, to you first, do you think we should have term limits in light of this? i mean come at some point, and term limits don't necessarily age someone out, you presume if they run earlier they will be hop for dementia, theoretically elected at 75 and still have enough terms to reach the age of dementia, but there's got to be something about how long someone sits in his offices. >> yeah, here's the thing. every time someone sees a story like the one we're talking about right now, they just don't understand why people are dismissive of the idea of term limits. whether you have term limits or whether you don't have term limits, there's an opportunity to remove somebody every two years. we've got a regularly scheduled election in this country since our founding. and i think that like you've got to start moving some of these

people out. they are not actually fulfilling their obligation to represent the people who they are supposed to represent. you've got to move them out in the election, and if term limits helps that process, okay, but i mean, i think we have to get more serious about rotating through people so that you have the best of the best in there at all times. >> will: i agree. on that note, i do find it increasingly interesting, the more he speaks, doesn't mean and/or simper any office, but senator john fetterman from pennsylvania just says what he thinks and that is all there is to it and he said this is part of this article. he said, when asked what he hates the most about the job, the performance art and having to monetize everything. it has turned all of us into only fan models, just monetizing her latest protest or your latest speech or whatever. there is not a lot of dignity in it. and we could all sit here and say the guy who wears a hoodie and basketball shorts is talking about dignity, but there is a deeper dignity that he is talking about, and i think he is

right about comparing it to only fans, tiana. >> yeah, frankly, prostituting yourself is not that different than what half of congress is doing, especially lately since trump took office, what has been the democratic form of resistance? has it been actually trying to challenge his nominees or bring up extra pills to speaker johnson? no, it's been memes. it's been tiktok videos of choose your fighter and look at aoc dance. or hold up your photo day child sign accusing of donald trump of stealing and elon musk of being a liar. the #resistance process has totally degraded the quality of the lawmaker. >> will: i got to leave it there. john ashbrook, tiana, thank you both for being with me today come appreciate your time. that will do it for us today. we are going to now turn it over technologically sound to "the five." ♪ ♪