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[captioning made possible by fox news channel] captioned by the national captioning institute ---www.ncicap.org--- >> three, two, one, beck! andrew: welcome to the glenn beck program. glenn is off tonight. i'm judge andrew napolitano. tonight, obama-care may be coming sooner than you think. what does it mean for you? also, the senate blocks the audit the fed bill, and senator jim demint weighs in, and and an intent to smuggle bomb making materials into federal buildings. i will explain what happened f you believe this country is great but that the government is trying to tear down your home, it's time to board it back up. you know the drill. no sneakers, no m&m's but plenty of facts. come on, follow me. president obama is continuing to push for a tote total
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overhaul of america's healthcare system this year. it is his top domestic priority. hospitals say they're ready to give up about $155 billion in ten years in government payments, which could help cover millions of uninsured americans, congress is putting up roadblocks. lawmakers came back from the july 4th holiday break with plenty of questions and concerns about key parts of the legislation, particularly the prospect of taxing benefits. you heard me. taxing your healthcare benefits. joining me now, the chairman of the kentucky taxpayers united, dr. rand paul and the c.e.o. of wall street strategies, my fox business network colleague, charles payne here in the studio with me. charles, welcome. you first. we were talking before the show started. what will obama care cost us in cash, in dollars? >> without a doubt, judge, it is going to cost a lot more than
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the $1 trillion they keep throwing about. when they first laid out the plan, the congressional budget office said it would cost a trillion and only cover 1/3 of the people. they keep trying to stick to the $1 trillion number but they're not being straight up or honest about that. they still haven't figured out how they will pay for it. of course, they're now thinking about the surtax on the rich, anybody making over $250,000 a year, including small businesses, an absolute unmitigated disaster. andrew: dr. paul, the government wants to add 40 million presently uninsured people to the healthcare rolls and the government wants somehow to manage their healthcare. what will 40 million new people receiving healthcare at the government expense do for the delivery of health services today as we understand them? >> well, the first question you have to ask is who are these 40
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some odd million people? one interesting fact that doesn't come up enough is 1/3 of them make more than $50,000 a year. 1/3 are eligible for medicaid but haven't figured out how to apply for it and 20% are not citizens a good percentage are also without insurance for a short period of time, so my question to obama and the democrats is, are you going to throw out the entire system we have, or are you going to bankrupt the country or throw us into bankruptcy sooner for a problem that really has other solutions? andrew: if some of these people choose, because they're young, and because they think they're superwoman or superman, because they think they don't need healthcare, but the government will force it on them anyway, what is that going to do to things like waiting time in emergency rooms, waiting time to see a specialist, waiting time to get a test,? >> basically, charles, tell me if you agree with this -- government rationing of healthcare? >> without a doubt.
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look around the world. everywhere there is universal healthcare, we hear the horror stories. we don't have the structure to handle it all. at the end of the day, judge, it's absolutely ridiculous. dr. paul hit on it. if you look at the details of this thing, just who are we are trying to cover? here is the real deal. at some point, i think everyone is going to be forced to a single-payer system. right now, almost 90% of americans say they're satisfied. we're talking 250 million americans who are already covered who are satisfied with the system. andrew: by the way, if dr. paul looks familiar, he is the son of dr. ron paul, a member of congress from texas and frequent guest on glenn's show. dr. paul, how will doctors react to sayingel-payer system in which the federal government tells them what choices they have for services to render to their patients and what they can
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charge? >> i will give you an example of what happens under a socialized system or single-payer system n england, it's essentially free to go to the doctor. people go in great waves to the doctor. it's overutilized, which means then they have to ration the care. that is ultimately, even the proponents of this don't like to use the word rationing but that's what happening. i deal with eye disease. the most common form of blindness for elderly people is macular degeneration or scarring of the center of the retina. one of the treatments is a drug named avastin. in england for years they would not let you get the injection in unless you could first prove to them that you were blind in one eye from the disease, and then they would let you get the treatment at the second time. then there was a huge public uproar and they got it changed s that the way we want medicine to work that the public has to get so angry that finally we change the rules? also in england, there is a drug called herceptin that blocks es
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stroh jen receptors in breast cancer and allows women from getting breast cancer again and it's illegal in england because it is too expensive. that is what will happen when the government is in charge. the other thing i ask people frequently, you want people to be in charge of healthcare? think of how they were in distributing water after katrina. if you want that, just think of the head of fema being in comarnlg of your healthcare. andrew: the thought should be perished. it is hard to think that could happen, but that is what could be coming if the president's proposal isn't stopped. thank you very much. there is growing talk of a possibility of a third bailout. a third bailout? why? the economy has not bounced back. george w. bush's first stimulus that went directly to taxpayers. the second $787 billion stimulus that was rushed through and passed before anybody had time to read it -- in fact, unemployment has now risen to
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9.5%, and many economists believe it will hit double digits before the end of the year, and actually at this point, the quick fix, which has been neither quick nor a fix, has funneled only about 10% of the $787 billion the government is authorized to borrow to the states. this, according to the democratic senate leader harry reid, so if the leader of his own party doesn't think we need another bailout because we've only spent 10% of the bailout they authorized in february, then why won't president obama take this option off the table? here is dr. arthur laffer, former economic advisor to president reagan. dr. laffer, welcome here. >> thank you very much. andrew: what will it accomplish by authorizing another bailout if the $787 billion they allowed themselves to borrow in
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february, they have only spent 10% of it? >> you being too rational. they are panicked. they are seeing a situation that is just going south very swiftly, and they don't know what to do, and whenever governments make decisions when they're panicked or drunk, the consequences are recalls ugly, and this bailout not only doesn't work, it works in the opposite direction. it's making the economy worse. i have never heard of anyone spending themselves into prosperity. andrew: how bad is unemployment today, and how bad did the obama administration predict that it would be? >> well, we have some very good numbers in the beginning of this administration, a really good economist, square ed burnstein, the chief economist for the vice president, and kiss tina roamer, they did a -- christina romer, they did a paper that plotted what the economy would do without the stimulus and with the stimulus. look at where the economy is. andrew: these unemployment projections were made by president obama's economic team back in january.
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>> yes. what what it shows is that their performance is worse than they thought it would be if they did nothing. andrew: now you're looking at the actual unemployment figures, and you can see the difference, the green, between the gene and the red, what the actual unemployment is just about 10% and what they predicted it would be, somewhere down around 8 1/2%. >> exactly. andrew: don't they know that all the borrowing and spending they have been doing has not only made unemployment less, it's made it worse? >> it really has made it worse. it makes perfect sense. i mean, if you tax people who work, and you pay people who don't work, don't be surprised if you find a lot of people not working. this program takes from people who are workers, and gives to people basically who aren't workers or gives to losing companies or whatever it may be, and it just awards all the bad trades you want to see and gives it to all the good trades and it
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is working in the opposite direction. it is quite frightening. andrew: you were not only a world famous professor of economics but you personally advised president ronald reagan, i think, during his first term. you understand the interplay of politics here, so let me ask you this, dr. laffer. >> yes. andrew: all the giveaways to the banks and the large insurance companies, the largest banks in the country, many of whom didn't want or need the money, if 70% of americans are employed by small business, why has the government looked the other way when it comes to small business? might there be some politics involved here? >> well, there is totally politics involved here, as you know. i mean, my solution was pretty simple, judge. if you forgive me, they spent about $3 1/2 trillion and i'm talking about the first stimulus, larry summers' program in '08 and a.i.g. and freddie mac and then $787, the paulson
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plan, and then the next one. you have about $3 1/2 trillion. just imagine if we got rid of all federal taxes, income taxes, inheritance taxes, payroll taxes, and just had a year of no taxes whatsoever, can you imagine what would is happened to the economy? it would have been a boom beyond belief. andrew: what would those big government types in washington who thrive on all of our tax dollars -- to them, it is is a bottomless pit! they just want to spend the money as if it is no end to t. >> they need someone to col it. really, people attracted to government are control freaks. they want to do for other people what they can't do for themselves. it's really quite sad. by the way, it's true in all administrations. it's not just democrats. it is not just especially cans. it was just as bad in the last two years of bush. it is being continued in terrible terms with this administration with obama. they are doing everything wrong. andrew: what should we say when
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we want them to tell their members of congress, stop, you can't cure borrowing and spending by more borrowing and spending? >> that's exactly what we should tell them. it's got to be a political solution, because frankly, we're going to have to wait until 2010 or maybe even 2012. people deserve the governments they get, judge. andrew: they do, but i don't know if we can wait that long. dr. laffer, thank you for joining the show. >> thank you very much. my pleasure. andrew: despite growing pressure from the house, the senate decided not to increase scute ny on the federal reserve and blocked a bid on procedural grounds to have the government accountability office audit the federal reserve and issue a report. here is republican senator jim demint. welcome to the program. >> thank you, judge. andrew: why should the federal reserve be audited? >> well, the sal ewe of our dollar, our whole economic system rides on the unelected secret agency called the federal reserve.
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we're not sure what they're doing right now, and ron paul in the house with over half of the house signing up as cosponsors, and me and bernie sanders in the senate are pushing the idea of a complete audit of the federal reserve, because frankly, a lot of us here in this country and around the world, are concerned that we're going to destroy the american dollar and the worldwide reserve currency. andrew: how is it that legislation that has more than half the members of the house behind it, and is proposed by a staunch conservative republican like you, and then independent socialists like bernie sanders is stopped on the floor of the senate cold before you can even formally introduce it, before you can make a speech in favor of it? >> well, if we could get the federal reserve under control, it would make it more difficult for the obama administration, i think, to carry out the continued spending and growing of debt, because one thing we're concerned about is the federal
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reserve will do what we call monetize the debt, basically print money, buy our own debt as a country, and devalue the dollar that way. i think if we open the doors to the federal reserve, it might make it much more difficult for this administration to continue this reckless spending. andrew: you and i have discussed this before, and i have argued that the job of the c.i.a. is to steal and to keep secrets, and we know more about the c.i.a. than we do about the federal reserve. the obama administration not only doesn't want the federal reserve audited, it now wants to put the power to regulate all financial institutions, banks, insurance companies, brokerage houses noorks the hands of the super secret bank. what are they afraid we might see if we get a chance to look at their books? >> well, as art just said, the issue is not necessarily just the federal reserve or healthcare or whatever we are talking about. it is control.
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the administration is increasingly expanding its control on the federal reserve, which is supposed to be independent. if we start the audit process and congress has more oversight on what's going on, then we get those checks an balances that are important here at the federal level, but there is too much secrecy to an agency that controls our whole economic destiny in this country, and judge, they have a death grip on our banks right now. the federal reserve regulators are tightening the credit, making it difficult for these banks to lend. they're killing commercial real estate development, and there's nothing congress can do about it, because we don't really have the authority to audit them. andrew: what is the chance that the bill that now has 250 cosponsors in the house will some day have 51 cosponsors in the senate? >> i don't think we need 51 cosponsors. i think all we need is to get it up for a vote, and most senators would be ashamed to vote against it, so i'm going to keep bringing it up as amendments to
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different bills and if we can get it on a senate bill, it will meet the house side. nancy pelosi will keep this from coming up in the house, i think, no matter how many cosponsors they get, just because i think she is cooperateing with summary obama administration to keep the secrets that the federal reserve doesn't want us to know about. andrew: senator jim demint, thank you very much. i'm sick and tired of secrecy in the government and the federal reserve is the worst and the congress has to to pass this legislation. is the government about to put a choke hold on your freedom of speech? are you ready for this? details next. ñ ñ
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andrew: let me count the ways that we're losing individual liberties as the government grows bigger and regulations grow more every day. now, freedom of speech is in jeopardy. the house has already passed its own bill. now the senate is considering broadening the government's powers to prosecute those who commit hate crimes, and just who is a hit criminal under this bill? it's up for serious interpretation. david writgers is with the cato institute and joins me now. welcome to the program. tell us about the portions of
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this legislation which might make it a crime for someone like me, or you, to using a gressive speech as we're communicating over the airwaves like we're doing now. >> well, there is a bill in the house that would criminalize cyber bullying, using any electronic means of communication to "fend someone. the bill spells out if you use an e-mail or text message or log on to a blog and you use language that is perceived as harmful and someone takes offense, now you'reed suddenly a federal criminal. this is what this is based on. andrew: how would the government know if we used language in e-mail or twitter or blogging or any of the electronic means that are so popular today? wouldn't they have to violate our privacy by some means in order to find out what we're saying? >> well, sure they would, and there would be an inquisition
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determining how hateful of a person are you, and suddenly your thoughts become criminal. this is kraut crime legislation -- this is thought crime legislation. andrew: here is the part that is owe offensive, david, that violates freedom of speech. whoever transmits interstate or foreign commerce, meaning radio, television, internet, any communication with the intent to coerce, intimidate, harass or cause substantial emotional distress to a person using electronic means to support severe, repeated or hostile behavior, shall be fined under this title. " this goes against the first amendment, and congress, in fact, will be abridging speech that it hates or it fears by allowing prosecutors to decide whose speech is hostile, an whose speech is hateful.
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>> that's absolutely true. this speech could be political. it could be just a bad disagreement, a bad breakup with a boyfriend or girlfriend. this is named after megan meyer, the girl who killed herself after a mother of of another gil in school created a mai myspace profile and this was made in california where myspace is based so they can drag you across the country if you hurt someone else's feelings using the internet. andrew: the reason it is in california is because that's where the server was that the woman used in st. louis. switching gears, david, there is a portion of this bill that violates the provision of double jeopardy, a constitutionally guaranteed clause that says the government can't try you twice for the same crime. it's in the constitution, because the brittish king used
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to try colonists over and over again until he got a conviction, but as i understand it, this law, if passed, this bill, if passed, would let the federal government try someone who has already been tried in state court and found guilty, because the federal prosecutors don't think the state courts punished him enough. now, how the heck does that square with our constitutional rights? >> well, it doesn't, but that's not a concern to people who are supporting this particular legislation, so if you commit a crime, and a jury finds you guilty, and you're sentenced to ten years but the federal government thinks that you need more punishment, then it can go ahead and prosecute you. >> wow. we have to watch this one, and we have to make sure people understand the slow creep against our liberties by this government. david, thank you very much. an update on fired inspector general gerald walpin. the white house says he was
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as inspector general of the federal agency responsible for disstribilitiesing money -- federal money, your tax dollars, to organizations like americorps. mr. walpin was also investigating the alleged misuse of federal funds by sacremento mayor kevin johnson, and former nba star, and an obama friend and supporter that. case ended in a legal settlement. now, to fire an inspector general, there is a 30-day notification period required by the law, and the government must also provide a detailed explanation for the firing at the time of the firing. the white house in this case, after it fired him, released a statement saying mr. walpin was confused, and disoriented at a board meeting in may, and persons at the meeting continued, quote, to question his capacity to serve, but notes obtained by foxnews.com from that meeting in may show that while mr. walpin's behavior was mentioned in those notes, board
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members may have been more concerned about mr. walpin's accusations against them, and mr. walpin said they had an "anything goes" attitude with your federal dollars and the board did not like the contentious relationship it had with the guy who was charged with inspecting them. mr. walpin also had threatened to escalate his call for a deeper probe into the mayor, kevin johnson's case. a congressional ses gator told foxnews.com that it was clear that the board sought mr. walpin's ouster because of hurt feelings and professional friction, not diminished mental ka fas t.i. after the white house -- capacity. after the white house said mr. walpin was confused, glenn put that test to him in the studio. glenn: i'm going to give you the state. this is the state examination, like if grandpa comes in and is drooling peanuts and looks for
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where he left his shoes. that's when you drop grandpa off at the hospital. let's do it the way they do it at hospital. what is the year? >> 2009. >> ok. what is the season? >> spring, late spring. >> the date? >> today is june 17th, i think. gresh? nailed it, good. ok. where are we? fox -- oh, we're in new york city, the greatest city of the world. >> and what state is new york city in? >> in new york state. >> do you know what floor you're on? did you push the elevator? >> i didn't push the elevator button. now, that's for orientation. i think we all know he knows where he is and what time it s registration. ok. i'm supposed to name three objects. i'm going to take a second, and then ask the patient to repeat
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all three after i have said them. i will give you one point for each correct answer and then i will repeat them until you can learn all three. ready? apple. table. penny. >> apple, table, penny. >> would you like me to repeat them? >> not necessary. >> what were they? >> apple, table, penny. >> apple, table, penny. hmm. is anybody in the white house watching this? how about you, ted kennedy? how about joe lieberman? you're the only ones that can protect this man. that's it -- i know ted kennedy is going to do it. joe lieberman, help! ok. let's see. ok. spell world backwards. you can use a pencil if you want. >> d-l-r-o-w. >> that was a lucky guess.
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do you remember are the three words that i just said to you a minute ago? >> well, there was table, apple and penny. >> language. what is this? >> in english? >> don't be smart with me! >> watch. >> that's a watch. repeat the following, no if's and or but's. >> no if's ands or but's. >> follow the three-stage command. take paper in your right hand. your right hand. fold it in half. oh, my goodness. he is so confused. my gosh, you can see what obama was saying. we got to get this guy out! put it on the floor. wow. you got another three points. ok. read and obey the following.
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ok. you have to follow me. close your eyes. open your eyes. write a sentence. what are you writeing? >> write a sentence. >> and then just copy this little picture here. >> i'm no artist! >> it's the last one. this picture-draw thing is crazy. it's nuts. grandpa looks like he's going to be ok, boys an girls. it looks like grandpa can drive the car. is that going to be -- oh, and he got it right! obama looks like he's not senile. andrew: i got to tell you, the government is going to have problems with this case. why? because it's against the law to fire someone and come up with an excuse afterwards. we will continue to follow mr. walpin's case.
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andrew: eight years after the terrorist attacks of september 11, we're still extremely vulnerable to an attack. a new report shows investigators were able -- you're not going to believe this -- to smuggle bomb-making materials past security in ten federal government buildings. fox's catherine herridge who watches all this stuff for you and for us is live in washington with the details. catherine. >> thanks, judge. in one instance, a real baby was put through the x-ray machine on the conveyor belt that. guard was fired but ultimately sued and got his job back because he was able to show that the federal protective service did not give him adequate training.
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the committee senior republican was clearly not satisfied. >> i don't think it's a matter of training for a guard to realize that a baby should not be allowed to go through an x-ray machine. that, to me, shows that there are fundamental problems with the system. >> studying undercover video was shot by investigators to show how easy it is eight years after 9/11 to smuggle bomb components into federal buildings and once inside, another layer of security was easily breached. >> in some cases, bathrooms were locked but federal employees had let us in, and to those bathrooms and we assembled the materials in usually under four minutes. it is a quick thing to put together, and then we will place it in a beef case and walked around a variety of federal offices, legislative branch offices and executive branch offices in the four cities we went to. >> and it was this image which seemed to sum up the problem
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with the federal protective service, which is responsible for security at 9,000 federal facilities, a guard asleep on the job apparently after taking a painkiller. now, the head of the federal protective service was contrite today saying that the preliminary report prompt add system-wide review and that the agency's problem, he claimed came down to staffing and money. he said there is not enough inspectors to oversee the work and train the guards adequately. judge. andrew: katherine, thanks. joining us on this topic is former c.i.a. operative wayne simmons. welcome to the program, wayne. as i see it, there are two issues here. the first is, how does this happen, and the second is, how and why do we even know about it? so let's talk about the first issue first. how does someone get bomb-making materials into a federal building in washington, d.c., in
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2009? >> great question, judge. bottom line is i'm not impressed by all of this. i'm not surprised at this study, that these things happen. this is one word, judge. this is economics. federal government either is prepared to pay for the high-tech equipment we need to prevent these types of breaches or not, and it is apparent to me that they're not prepared. we have highly-skilled, highly-trained individuals that will breach these federal buildings, like me, and guys like me or women like me, going up against unskilled, untrained guards with no equipment, not even a bomb-smelling dog. andrew: when you say people like you, do you mean people from foreign governments that used to work in the intelligence services of those governments
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trained as well as you are, now hired by america's enemies to breach our security? >> that's exactly what i mean, judge, and listen, as many of us know, the bottom line is if you give highly skilled, highly trained individuals a comfortable setting, and no pressure, they can come up with a plan just as 9/11, those that perpetrated 9/11 did, and you see what the results are, so this is going to happen, but look, you cannot pay minimum wage, unskilled labor and have them come up against the babe ruths in the world. it's just not going to happen. this will be the outcome in every case. andrew: what type of people do you we have? you say minimum wage. we saw a guy falling asleep. he claims he fell asleep because he took a painkiller. there is the shot. if he is taking so much painkiller for whatever medical reason, he shouldn't be on the job. what do we pay them and how well
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are they trained and are they trained as well as the people that are trying to breach their security? >> well, look, they're up against people who are liely motivated, whether they're dough domestic terrorists or foreign terrorists, they are highly motivated individuals. i don't mean to sit here by any way, shape or form and demean the caliber of people who are working to try to protect the federal facilities, but they are not trained, and they're probably not skilled in looking out for types of individuals that would come in with these bombs and number two, in either case, all i needed was a bomb-sniffing dog and he would have put a hit on the bombs or the parts and a lot of it could have been prevented. they don't even do that. let's put the blame over, if there is any, to where it belongs, and that is to those who will either funds these programs and these men and women trying to protect us or not. andrew: wayne, stick around, because i have more questions for you.
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andrew: there are reports that says u.s. intelligence officials were warned by germany about possible terrorist attacks, groups of terrorists may have been dispatched from training bases in pakistan to launch crippling attacks across the world. we're back now with former c.i.a. operative wayne simmons. we have established the following -- you could get a baby through with bomb making materials through federal screeners. you could get bomb making materials themselves through federal screeners and very important federal offices in washington, d.c., and the people who do this are breather trained, better paid, more forceful than the people that are protecting us. how is it that we know this? how is it that this is now public knowledge that our security is so unacceptably weak
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>> great question, judge. the bottom line is they are -- they, meaning those who did these threat assessments. these are threat assessments and vulnerability solutions. the guys that are running these have made the public aware of those, and i think there is part of me that says, ok, that's good, but the flip side is, judge, we're also advising and warning our enemies that these types of things go on. let me jump back to one thing you said about the baby. i can tell you unequivocally that 30 years ago, there were times, and they still may be doing it, where drug smugglers were actually using the bodies of infants, if you can believe this. andrew: right, right. >> to smuggle drugs in, so to hear that they're using it to smuggle bombs in is nothing. these people are animals. they're committed to the destruction of this nation, and they're going to do it in any
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manner, way, shape or form. andrew: are these government employees who are treftsing or challenging the security of other federal government employees, and then instead of just reporting to whoever hired them to conduct this test, they somehow disseminate to the news media, which means you and me and everybody, including people that wish us ill, the fact that our security stinks? >> all of the above, judge. look, this is a normal everyday occurrence. they hire people hike me. they have people who actually working for homeland security. as i said, this is a threat assessment. we go to nuclear power plants. we go to power grids. we go to computer systems. we go virtually everywhere, and we run threat assessments and then we write up vulnerability solutions, and that's all that this is, although it's very disheartening that someone was able to fall asleep while this test was being run. that's very disheartening.
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andrew: are these threat assessments supposed to be made public or just intended for the head of the agency whose security is being breached? >> in best-case scenario, they are not supposed to be made public. clearly, for some reason, and i'm sure there may be someone who thinks it was a good reason, these were made public. i wish they had not been. andrew: wayne simmons, thanks very much. former illinois governor odd rod got some tough -- former illinois governor rod faster anr than ever before? well now you can, introducing the new... powerful... lightweight... oreck xl platinum vacuum. you don't vacuum open floors, you vacuum rooms filled with furniture. and the xl platinum makes cleaning under, around, and behind them, fast and easy! so take advantage of this limited time no-payments-no-interest-for-one- full-year offer and order your new oreck xl platinum today! call now and for cleaning stairs or up high we'll also send you the powerful oreck handheld vacuum--
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. andrew: a former aide to disgaysed governor rod blagojevich has pled gill guilty to the pay-for-play scandal involving president obama's old senate seat. john harris pleaded guilty to a single count of wire fraud anding a dwhree and agreed to cooperate with federal prosecutors. reports suggest that mr. harris could take the witness stand if former governor blagojevich goes to trial on racketeering and conspiracy charges next june. harris says he had several conversations last november in which he and blagojevich talked about installing various candidates in obama's seat. blagojevich has denied wrongdoing and pleaded not guilty. his wife patty recently appeared on the reality show filmed in costa rica, a jungle, "i'm a celebrity, get me out of here." she was a last minute replacement after the federal judge would not let the governor leave the c
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