jane: bad shwarma -- you do not want to have it. [captioning made possible by fox news channel] captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org-- trace: breaking news out of iran. welcome. martha: new street battles in tehran as hundreds of demonstrators gathered, chanting death to the dictator. we are seeing things he'd up once again -- keeping up once again in tehran. we cannot confirm with 100% certainty that this video is from today because of iran's clamp down on foreign media, which you have all become familiar. police responded with tear gassed -- teargas and started firing into the air. amy kellogg has spent a lot of time in the country and has

contacts and is covering it for us. what is the very latest there? >> as far as we can tell, the protesters have been really lying low and because of the response of the government. but today is the 10th anniversary of the bloody student uprising and people took the occasion to get out on the streets and protest against it. several hundreds were out before they got teargassed. even the ap and reuters, staffed with local journalists, were not going to the demonstration. so we are left with grainy pictures. some of this was shot through a bus window today. people chanted, "death to the dictator," and you can hear that as they marched through the time they were able to manage. they are few, but very bold. we have a few photographs to show you.

the governor of tehran this morning warned people not to demonstrate or they would be, "trampled under the feet of the iranian people the." in an attempt to distance themselves from the crackdown to have carried out. -- the crack down they have carried out. they are simply looking now for a safe place in which to carry out demonstrations wherever they can. also today, martha, five iranian diplomats were held by u.s. forces in iraq. they will be returned to iran. this is not, as far as we understand, far from what the military says as part of the status agreement. according to a prominent iranian

journalist i spoke to, they are seeing this all as signs of weakness from the western united states and are riding high on what they see as new-found power. trace: as always, check the right hand screen. in the top box, democratic accusations leveled the cia. nancy pelosi said she was never told that waterboarding was used. seven other democrats are saying that the cia lie to congress. much more on that. in the middle, the dogfighting ring broken up, dozens arrested. there is a grisly evidence of how losing dogs were treated. we will show you that. and in the bottom box, president obama in italy at the g8 summit. we have more on that. martha: he ticked off with a headline issue. here is what he said about the u.s. role in climate change. >> we agree that developed

countries like my own have a historic responsibility to take the lead. so we have a much larger carbon footprints, and we have fallen short before a meeting responsibilities. that is over. [applause] martha: major garrett, there are some folks in the u.s. to believe climate change should not be on the top of this agenda, and some might perceive the words we just heard from obama as yet another overseas a policy for past -- apology for past actions. >> this is what this president believe was the incorrect, bush administration approach to climate change.

just so our audience understands who he was speaking to in those remarks, something called the major cominform, which is a group of 17 nations here -- the major economies forum. they are in the midst of a massive climate change conference. and president obama argues that the agreements, even though they are vague and without enforcement mechanisms, create momentum for a larger post-kyoto global approach for climate change. and while we had a briefing a few moments ago, he said, "look, what happened in congress signals to many nations that the united states is for the first time going to confront climate change with higher taxes and alternative energy." it is clear that this administration will use congressional legislation and a

hopeful passage of it to prove to other nations they would step up to the play -- plate on climate change, carbon taxes, and pollution reduction. in that respect, the u.s. could be a leader in climate change. if you are leery of the economic impact of carbon taxes, that is not an impact you will hear from this administration. martha: we are going to bring in our panel. the former press secretary will join us. shearson powers is a columnist for the "new york post," and a commentator for fox as well. how you think the g8 is going so far? 2015 as part of the agreement, sort of one goal, but on the short-term goal, a lot of people wonder why this is not at the top of the agenda.

>> major's point was dead on, because we acted on the bill. i think these other people are paying attention and saying, ok, what are they doing? this is what happened with kyoto. other countries would not go on with restrictions. you have wealthy and developed countries saying that we will not do it, it is a huge risk. do we really want to close factories and set regulations when other countries are not doing it? and that brings the more serious issue, which is that in light of what is going on, nine + % unemployment, folks living in the united states might say, "why is the president so focused on this issue which may be detrimental for some companies

when we have more pressing issues at home?" >> whether you think it is a pressing issue depends on where you stand. if you take the issue seriously and believe that climate change is caused by man, it is a serious problem that is going to lead to drought, food sorted this -- shortages, and other terrible things. it is serious, that is where i am, and it is right for him to be bringing this up. we need to do this regardless of what other countries are doing. that is what being a leader is about. obama has talked about creating green jobs, and there is a huge green industry. we can ship jobs into that industry and hopefully create new jobs. we do not need to keep polluting, keep our and the environment -- harming the

environment so people can lose their jobs. you have to ship it from another industry. the question is cost. who know what it is going to cost. about $3,000 each household -- we know what it is going to cost. we have to think before passing these bills. 300 pages of the bill were slipped in in the middle of the night? martha: this is an opportunity for our president of the world stage. he talked about iran, and he was pretty tough. how's he doing on that front in terms of cooperation from the leadership? >> specifically, you will not get the g8 nations to do anything other than issue statements talking about their collective concern. that is what happened last night. the leaders gathered around and talked to each other and

produced a statement expressing their collective concern and frustration but also saying that we are not going to do anything or even think actively about doing something, so we meet again on the edge of the security council meeting in new york in mid-september's. -- mid-september. with the iranian pursuit of nuclear weapons, the g8 will express concern. is that something the president fail of? no. but essentially, the g8 issues statements and rarely aspects of their actions take place. martha: do these meetings matter? everybody walks out after making a big statement. do they mean anything in terms of how tough that the world will be on iran, for example?

>> i do not think they mean what we would like, but i think the matter because they bring people together. it is a gradual process. >> i think they matter a lot. in the past we have seen that when countries get together obama looks like an international figure. he still has not shown us that he is a leader, and that is what they will need. martha: thank you, as always. trace: nancy pelosi says that the cia mislead congress all the time. republicans went mets, this up -- not -- seat, saying she should resign. there might be proved, and kids, take a look. do not take your dad's suv for a joy ride. everyone was ok but the end of this whole thing --

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mislead congress. now, the committee released to this note, saying that, "you testified to the committee that top cia officials concealed significant actions to congressional leaders. from a number of years, from 2001 until this week." speaker pelosi infuriated republicans, saying she was not informed about waterboarding and up the cia misleads congress frequently. now she defends herself. >> it is driving the republicans to distraction. any excuse. but the fact is that they are simply saying it is of concern for members of the committee and they have their course of action to deal with it. trace: the ranking republican on the house intelligence

committee. welcome to you. the chairman rights to a letter saying that now we know that the cia misled congress a number of times because the director says so himself. that is a major reversal. >> i think the key concept here is that is not what leon panetta is a saying. he disputes both the description of the -- rather, the characterization of what he's told the committee june 24. he is not agreeing that that is what he told the committee. i agree with leon panetta. i do not think that is what he told the committee. trace: how do we get to the bottom of this? seven democrats and nancy pelosi say that the cia lied. now leon panetta says that is wrong, he never said so. the cia misleading congress is a

federal crime. what we do? they are calling for a full- blown investigation. a good idea? >> absolutely. he would have thought he would have started back in may when the speaker said that. the speaker is the third most powerful person in america, saying up the cia mislead allies to congress consistently. we are now in the middle of july, and guess what? silvester race as an the intelligence committee have had zero hearings on the allegations. they are not doing anything. you would think that they would take the lead on this, and they are not doing anything. trace: why have we not heard publicly from the cia director? democrats say they were misleading congress, and we're hearing that he did not exactly say that. when will we hear from the director of the cia, and should

we? >> i think that leon -- i will tell you, he has come to capitol hill, try to be forthright with the committee, and i appreciate that very much. i think he is between a rock and hard place. here he has some democrats on the committee and is a former member of congress on the democrats and their mischaracterizing what he said to the intelligence committee and think he is stepping back and saying -- trace: if someone is being dishonest here, he could clear this up by coming forward and answering questions about this. >> i am not sure he would. he tried to clear it up in may correcting the speaker and saying that the cia does not like. we have asked for is to release of documents. i think much of the testimony that he gave to the committee two weeks ago could be made public and i would be in favor of it so the american people would see exactly what he said.

disclosure and transparency would be helpful. martha: she wanted to marry the already married former nfl great, but it ended with her getting a gun and police believe ending his life and taking her own. here is the 911 tape from the man who found the body. man who found the body. martha: we will put you more of that, and the last and new video of her taking a test.

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trace: bernie madoff decided against appealing as 150-year pattern -- prison sentence. and while claims dropped to the lowest level since january, it is better news than we had. merriam-webster is is adding about 100 works to his collegiate dictionary -- 100 words to the collegiate dictionary. a soccer puppet now means a false on-line identity. i did not know that. martha: perutz, wait until you see this. barely able to reach the pedals -- parents, wait until you see

that. squad cars pulled over a 14- rural driver in michigan. they found his brother and cousin in the suv and they hit the road. officers tried to pull them over making an illegal left turn it barely cream -- at dairy queen, doing 110 miles an hour. >> [inaudible] >> ok. he just crashed. he just crashed. martha: very frightening. he lost control and veered off the road and what airborne. look at this. as a 14-year-old kid, his little brother and cousin. thank god, everyone was ok in that car and police say that he later confessed and panicked when he saw the police behind him and hit the gas. at the time they did not realize that we're dealing with a 14- year-old kid.

no license until you are about 19 at my house. trace: we are getting a deeper look inside steve mcnair's file, saying that he was shot and killed by his girlfriend in a murder-suicides. his mistress was apparently distraught about mounting financial trouble. police say the programs -- and she was trying to pay off to cars and suspected that mcnair was cheating on his wife and her at the same time with another woman. this is just hours before the deadly shooting, arrested and charged with d y -- dui while the ex-quarterback sat in the passenger seat. you can see there, that is her walking the line. but he gets out after she is put

in the back of the sea and walks away. -- back of the seat, walking away. the guy says, no, he is not coming because he is angry at you. this is likely the last image we will ever see of him alive. she shot him while he slept, and then turned the gun on herself. both bodies were found by a friend. listen. >> there are two bullet wounds, two gunshots. >> all right. >> all right. trace: you get into the mind of

this woman, and she is in financial trouble and thinks the man she is cheating on, his wife is cheating on her at the same time. is it a suicidal situation? >> it is a house of cards. this had so many variables in net that were concerning. you go from her use of alcohol, present in so many times, and her desire to be with this man. this can be a base for pathological jealousy. can be based on losses, on inappropriate boundaries with a father figure in childhood and a desire to have someone that deeply that you feel your life is over when that person does not sign on with you. it is a psychological house of

cards, fuelled by mike baer's own addiction to women -- mcnair's addiction to women. martha: his wife is understandably devastated, from what we are hearing. she claims she did not know that this woman even existed and now it turns out he may have had another girlfriend as well. how you compartmentalize all that? -- how do you compartmentalize all that? >> you have to have an insatiable need for gratification but also a willingness to see that this is someone with a characteristic disorder, and he has someone with a deep need for attachment and love. she shoots herself in a method that would lead her to a slump, into his lap to be united forever in death. this is someone he has happened

upon that did not have the strength to resist the overwhelming adverts let's -- avalanche of a motion she found in the aftermath of learning he had yet another girlfriend. trace: along with losing this guy that she may have been in love with, she also thought that her meal ticket was about to go off with another woman. >> it is a powerful anesthetic to think that you are the one. but then your reddest double, you cannot pay that. he has not even filed for divorce from his wife and now here's another girlfriend. suddenly, it is devastating. i am sure she felt that her life was ended and wanted it to be

ended with this individual, and that is it. martha: it is a devastating story. i cannot help but go back to his wife and children. it appears that they believe that they had a nice family life together. he talked about how she love spending time with the kids. what causes somebody to throw that away? >> we learned that time and time again with celebrities and professional athletes in particular. this need for admiration, the matter where it comes from. whether you did not feel enough as a child or the war of the crowd creates an insatiable need for adoration. once you are an athlete, men can try and substitute love of women for that retention and that may have been his drug of choice. there may have been others, but what is clear that none of these women knew him and he may not have known himself very well.

trace: dr. keith at low. thank you. martha: april dogfight in operation. wait until you hear the fate that awaited the losing dog. losing dog. cócó

trace: granite formation of three stories. -- brand new information on three stories. a book from al qaeda shedding new light on them. >> a growing body of evidence that the network is paranoid and under pressure. the manual talks specifically about spies among them providing intelligence to the u.s. and others about the camp and safe house. this information could have left the u.s. up to its predator

drug campaign to cripple leadership. trace: more craigslist crimes. >> now there are more creeps that are taking advantage of craigslist and finding their prey on the internet. apparently they are setting up as sellers, and when they get a buyer, they go to meet and they robbed at gunpoint. be aware. it is happening in philadelphia, texas, midori -- missouri, ohio, indiana, and north carolina. police say to use common sense. trace: in d.c. now, molly henneberg is following natural gas and clean energy. maybe not. >> bob a mendez and orrin hatch what more natural gas powered cars on the road, introducing legislation to extend tax credits for 10 years for people buying natural gas cars and companies making them. but critics say the fuel may cost less but the car costs more and gets fewer miles. tank of natural gas and there is

not enough station presents nationwide to fill them up. martha: animal rights groups praise what is being called the biggest simultaneous dogfighting raid ever. police and federal agents are also seeing 350 fighting dogs seized. suspects are accused of running illegal dogfight, brutal matches pitting dogs in a fight to the debt. what can you tell us about this brutal story that has been uncovered here? >> apparently this was a large operation in seven states. texas, arkansas, oklahoma, missouri, on what, and nebraska. it involved fights to the death. when the animal cannot go forward, it was disposed of, killed on site, shot in the head, and the carcass would turn up in a nearby river.

martha: unbelievable that people can do this to animals. how did the police uncovered this, steve, and what will happen? we all remember the rehabilitation of many of the dogs found at michael victor -- vick's place? >> up to 387 dogs have been recovered so far, and their evidence in a criminal case, so they are being warehoused at several locations, the largest of which is in st. louis. we cannot even tell you the condition but we will try and debilitating the stocks eventually bounced the case goes forward. in terms of how this came about, the human society investigates these things all the time and it was clear that according to the indictment, authorities have someone on the inside was an informant, and fbi agents infiltrated this group. so some question as to how this all began, but we do know some

of the participants in this involved the humane society of federal authorities that got inside this ring. martha: that is mind blowing. thank you very much. trace: democrats are working to find out how to pay for the over fall -- overhaul of the health- care system. who will fit the bill? let's bring in the illinois senator, fourth medical doctor to serve in the senate in the past 50 years. thank you. it looks to us like this may or may not be a thing. it is off the table for health benefits, so the answer seems to be to tax the rich, those who make more than two under and $50,000. but are you going after small businesses again, hurting the

people who are trying to create jobs? >> that is absolutely my concern. small businesses all across the country -- that is the engine driving our economy. that is how jobs are created. any effort to tax those people creating those jobs will just make it tougher for our country and economy to recover. the people of america -- and i was back in wyoming last week and will be there tomorrow -- the people get it right. they are worried that congress will screw it up, especially when it involves one-fifth of our entire economy. so there are great concerns for me. trace: these numbers being bandied about, up to $100 billion, we are concerned that these are just goals. they're not in numbers. there are goals. the bottom line is, the administration through these numbers around like they are stimulus and we found out that those numbers are way off the mark.

>> they were way wrong. even the vice-president admitted to that. they were wrong on tap and trade and our way wrong on this. but the problem is that people are not even going to be able to read this bill. they did not read the cap and trade bill when they threw in 300 pages, three in the morning. and they asked one of the leading democrats in the house, senator hoyer, -- rep lawyer, that it would vote on health care and he laughed out loud about the people that people read the bill. these bills ought to be shared throughout the country. great ideas do not come from washington. they come from america. people need to be able to read the bill. trace: the michael jackson bill is written and ready. they can read that bill. the others take a long time. you have been in the hospital. where does this money come from? you have to get it from

somewhere, right? >> every senator and talked to talk to the hospitals back, and said it is not coming from their state. there is no community hospital that can contribute. i think it is a false number. trace: thank you, senator. martha: they buried their loved ones and what they thought would be a peaceful resting place. it was anything but. >> we continue to find more and more evidence of body parts and remains, people intered all throughout here. martha: it was beyond revolting. where this happened and why police said three grave diggers are responsible. but, it's not like we're kicking back, now, havin' a cuppa tea. gecko vo: takes lots of sweat to become that big.

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-- they come in. martha: at a cemetery in illinois, they are digging up graves, discarding the remains and reselling and reusing the plot. four employees are under arrest, and tim has been watching the story. this was the last thing anybody would imagine when you bring your loved one, and it appears that the motive was profit. just dig up those bodies. they found them in a pile, right? >> exactly right. and as we speak we are about to see a press conference start at 2:00 eastern. they have been all over this story in chicago. as you said, three men and women are facing charges.

we were just by the cemetery, so -- martha: and it still was buried there. i heard that they do not believe any of the greats of celebrities were disturbed and they focused on lesser-known people. >> we will see, because we had a press conference coming up. trace: it is the best a dunk that you will ever see, not done by lebron, but on him. you will not see it because his representatives took the tape. we will talk to the photographer about how it all went down. plus, a must see fact of the day. it might be important for king

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generate $2 billion in revenue for his sponsors, just in a mere seven. crawford's incredible duck -- he is happy to describe it. >> just happy to be there. i wanted more than anything. there was nothing else to say. that was it. that will be the first thing i talked about. trace: we also caught a dunk on

tape. you let two people in suits and tennis shoes take the take from you? >> i was supposed to get the next day, the reason i handed over the tape, but that did not happen. martha: did go through your mind to take the take and walk through the door? >> i thought about that. maybe they threw it out in the garbage, i thought. but i did not see it anywhere around there. but i did not want to be banned from the next two days of camp because i still had to shoot. it definitely would have been worth it. this would have been more than any high school footage. but they also told me they would give me the tape back the following day to pacify nike

executives. but i figured it would be better than trying to fight it. trace: how good is this kid, right? this jordan crawford? >> he is well known, but relatively unknown to college fans. last year she did not play any college basketball, so this is a huge publicity form coming into it. trace: did he dominate? was this one of those things where he just came in, or was he ready, driving on it? >> he drove past his own guy and he was jumped with at the same time. the reaction was the most interesting part. there was not a lot of cheering,

because everyone realized it was him. you cannot hear against the guy. martha: but you said the people there said that you could not take videotapes of the guys when they are not warmed up and have not been training, right? >> yes. they basically told me a couple of different reasons. but i introduced them, and the introduction went well. he was a nice guy. but he saw me with a camera and he went over 290 representatives and told them to take my tape away. great presence of mind by him to know that the tape could have had the dunk on

it. trace: hold up the t-shirt. they stole my videotapes. that is terrific. you are a great sport. i hope that you have a chance to get your take back. -- get your take back -- tape. martha: that is fun. you might ask how can you go wrong with video of a pan that eating cake? -- panda eating cake? at the national zoo, the panda

had a birthday and he got eight treat made from water, bamboo, shredded beef, and b-2s. that is a healthy cake. note chocolate for him. he is the first healthy baby of two other pandas at the zoo. trace: i guess the tape could actually show him down king. -- dodunking. members on the judiciary committee will a approach the hearings for sotomayor.

martha: a lot of brand new stuff for you on the live desk right now. [captioning made possible by fox news channel] captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org-- trace: behind us is the national desk, covering america. this is the foreign desk, covering the globe, and every picture coming in to us who come in here on the media desk. and these pictures on the "live desk" will always be here. escalating violence and iran after a warning that protesters will be smashed. tehran has been quiet for 11 days now, but clashes between forces and demonstrators are clearly heating up.

a report in a minute. in the middle, and emergency patient waits and screams inside the ambulance. we will give you the exclusive story on what happened next. and, some of government bureaucrats are taking a vacation for you, on you. a luxury getaway at a landmark resort. meanwhile, another firestorm on capitol hill, with accusations that democrats claimed director leon panetta confessed, admitting that it happened. in a letter to him, they said that recently you testified you have determined a top cia officials had significant actions from congress and misled members from 2001 until this week."

the senior republican calls the claims bazaar, and pelosi is trying to jump out of the frying pan and into the fire. listen. >> i know what you know. i have seen the letters, and obviously there are concerns. the intelligence committee has responsibility. i'm sure they will pursue this at their process, and that is the reason. trace: is there a full-blown investigation on the way? what with lying about, and who was lying? >> it is amazing. there are many levels to the

story. this started when nancy pelosi accused the cia about lying about a briefing in 2002 in which she was said to have received a memo that did not have to do with waterboarding. fast forward. the political firestorm as the committee chairman from the committee sent out a letter leaked to the media which said that the cia didn't mislead congress and in one instance lied to them. then you have the cia responding, saying that they do not like to the congress. and there was a letter that also got leaked to the media, saying that leon panetta specifically lied to congress and misled them. the cia said the director in fact did have up to capitol hill of his own volition to brief members. he said that one issue was that

adequately briefed, but they did not use the word live or mislead. you have all this back and forth and republicans saying that this is about politics and trying to protect the house speaker. you could see some investigations into this mess, but it looks like to give you a separate things, and one last thing. you have president obama and the background trending to veto an intelligence operation that includes a provision to make sure all covert operations are briefed for the entire intelligence committees, not just the gang of eight, the house and senate leadership and committee chairman of those committees. so many layers to this story.

trace: you could get everyone in congress the same information, and guess how that would get out? martha: the house judiciary committee and reform committee, and mike ackerman is joining us with his own perspective. why would any congressman or congresswoman go to a classified small group briefing? >> we have had a good record in the past years of the house keeping secrets secret.

the leaks that have come over past years have not come from the house. people should be proud of that in a bipartisan debate. it is one way that they are going beyond the gang of eight so that these committee members do get fully briefed. makes sense to get all the questions answered. martha: nancy pelosi came out and said, "oh, they said it did not happen." then you had other people saying that it did not happen that way. now you have seven other congressmen. the cia and these members are chosen for their right to be in this room, or are they not? >> you need to look carefully at the letter, because the press has been reporting more than it says.

with the disclosure by director panetta, he said that a program begun in 2001 and not previously had been briefed and now is terminated with being briefed to the committee. hunt looking carefully, even if you put in eight hours a day, seven days a week, you cannot be briefed on everything going on. so we still have the fundamental problem of pelosi saying that it lied all the time and the administration was unwilling to find a lawyer and prosecute them, because the cia either needs to deal with these lies or be clear about this statement that they were disingenuous to members of congress. i have found that they answer our questions every time we ask them. i was not lied to.

martha: mr. ackerman, as an operative yourself, this agency has done a good job keeping america safe. talk to me a little bit about your gut reaction when you hear this back-and-forth and what is leaking out of the briefings? >> i regret any politicization of the agency. it is terrible that it gets mired down in political debates in congress. i think it is up to director panetta now to set the record straight on to whether the original statement of may 15, that the cia does not deceive congress, and this alleged statement that it may have deceived congress. it has to set the record straight.

we keep up winning positions as directors of the intelligence committee to politicians. that does not happen anywhere else. martha: stay with us. we have breaking news. trace: this is out of cook county, chicago, about the grave robbing spree >> they would proceed to dump remains where ever they found a place to do it in the back of the cemetery. this is not replacing graves or moving graves. it was dumping them. the individual we are talking about also had a memorial fund on their own, taking money from that, apparently topping that money as well. individuals came here for the cemetery. there are numerous people who work with us on this and state attorneys have been helpful.

the fbi, the amount of resources that are bringing is phenomenal. they are bringing people from all of the country to help with the forensics. one thing that we have been trying to reiterate is that there will not be quick answers. we will be here for some time. we are not necessarily talking weeks, we are talking months. but records are in shambles. the actual sites are not well marked. there are very difficult to ascertain. so this will take some time. we have been trying to get some patients, because it will be needed now. i cannot tell you how difficult it has been for us. people are lined up here. they were here last night waiting check-in of the remains of their loved ones. i wish i better information, but we do not have that yet.

we will try our best to get to that. we are horrifically sorry. at this time we will make a few comments. >> good afternoon. i want to thank the police crowd for working on this investigation. they've got a great job, and i want to thank the bureau for working tirelessly on this case. i also want to offer suggestions to the families. i offer my condolences for put you have been through, and the lack of respect shown to you and your families and loved ones. the county attorney's office has charged persons in connection

with the crime as outlined in your press release. at 2016 california, we presented formal charges for individuals and the charges were dismembering a human body, and each one of those individuals have been charged with that particular crime. this is a class x felony. the rent is up to 30 years on the department of correction's. $250,000 for a fine, and three others who offended here had bonds set at $200,000. according to information presented, on many occasions,

one or more defendants resold burial plots that were already occupied. it is alleged that the corpses were then reburied or dumped in an open area. it is also alleged that the offenders destroyed cemetery records. the investigation is still continuing. having prosecuted many people, this crime as a whole new dimension showing us what life people would go to for financial gain and the disrespect for all of the people buried in the

cemetery -- anyone suggested, entrusted this cemetery having a way of your loved ones were entitled to respect that they have not gotten. one thing we have not mentioned is we have information, but there was a fund set up in 2005 in order to get money for the building of and and that -- and that -- emett till memorial. if there is anybody here who contributed in order to get the museum built -- if there are people out there that have contributed, can you please call me sheriff's hot line number and have that information available. this investigation is ongoing,

and i wish to offer condolences to all of the families with loved ones buried here. >> i am tom troutman. i'm an assistant in charge with the investigation. we're working jointly with the cook county state's police and state attorney to export the possibility of the existence of federal violations as well as the evidence response teams being led to the scene to manage the scene, collect evidence, properly store it, and analyze it to the extent we can. we will look at it as long as it is prudent. >> you talk about resources. they are bringing people around the world to help with this. we're also been joined our reverend jackson.

>> my telephones have been ringing off the hook all night with people calling from across the nation. there are high profile names, like till and washington, but everyone here is special.

we do not know how this scheme can about. we do not know. it may not just be this. we're working with the family, directors, sheriffs, the fbi and state attorneys so we can do everything to comfort the families anguished by the thieves who engages in this heinous act -- who engaged in this heinous act. one thing we found out from the beginning is that if you give your hair cut, you are more regulated than people operating cemeteries. there are virtually no regulations whatsoever. a lot of people i've talked to

this morning have mentioned to me about relative to the cemeteries and concern to have their as well, and i cannot help you. one of the greatest concerns is the fact there is no regulation. when we are dealing with people covering it up and either altering documents -- we have no source to go to. we cannot say you can have a survey. there is nothing. so at a bare minimum, we thought that cemeteries should be required to go to the aid office and say whatever it is. i do not know what to tell you about the parking stories i have been hearing from people, crying hysterically going to the burials for the second time. it is the second time they bury their loved ones, and they're looking for answers and they are saying it is very difficult because all of the senators are

here and the people involved had the records. it is not the way we should be operating. nobody deserves anything like this to occur, and we're trying to bring closure, but it will take a long time to do that. >> [inaudible] >> it appears to be in the area of 300 right now, and the stacking of bodies represents particular issues, because with the body's three interred, it is difficult to find evidence. some of the way that it has been explained to us is that literally they have hunted the other one down, and that makes it hard. but again, the fbi has been helpful with the tools they have. there is something called a

thermal imagery, something we are going to be utilizing in an attempt to help so we can determine whether or not it is appropriate or has another casket, remains out there. there are some realizations. the parent company did start examining. >> [inaudible] >> cemetery owners brought it to

art attention, but the question has been posed to me before. at least come out and look at your own operation here to make sure certain things are done because a lot of areas we are talking about -- is not -- there is no mystery. you know what is going on, and so moral obligation -- i would suggest that if you of the cemetery you should in fact be pretty hands on as to what is going on there but legally speaking, we are the ones that were brought here, the ones cooperating. it is very difficult, and you have records scattered and not what they should be. the options are many. we do not know.

this is a long process here. trace: this is from the burr oaks cemetery, where 300 graves were dug up and resold. some were saying that bodies were stacked on top. jesse jackson spoke earlier, and for people -- 40 people -- four people were arrested. do you remember when a i.t. went to the ritz carlton with bailout money? now, a federal agency that is nearly broke is holding its own

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trace: according to the social security administration's own estimates, the waste $6 billion a year in overpayments. you would think it would cut costs. instead of holding meetings at a world famous luxury resort in arizona. and who pays the tab? yes, you and i. william is live for us. i thought you would be by the pool that -- now. what happened? >> we were kicked out of the pool. basically, the bureaucrats do not want to show taxpayers where money is being spent on this

resort. we do have this pool, a beautiful 50-foot water slide. there are about 700 managers that have been flown in from as far as warm and american samoa, going to a three day conference including motivational speakers, the work crisis, a casino like that, so we asked of this was necessary. >> this is the wisest use of taxpayer dollars money? would it have been cheaper if you used an interactive training system? >> we used an interactive system as part of our trading, but part of our issues are much more

easily handled on an interactive relationship. that is what we're doing here. >> 4.6 billion. that is just one program. are there better ways to spend this money? they have these antiquated systems for auditing over payments to people who are dead or have moved overseas, those kinds of things. but they said they cannot do this by teleconference. it has to be done in person. they got a great rate, about 100 bucks a night. but we're looking at about three-quarters of a million dollars of your money that is being spent out here. martha: they do not have the aig excuse, that this is the way they entertain clients. they do not have that excuse at all. trace: you cannot believe that

guy had a straight face when he said that is the best way for us to spend taxpayer dollars. are you kidding me? with what is going on in government? >> what can i tell you. they say it has to be face-to- face. but the state of the art teleconferencing they have, they use it every day for thousands of employees. or sending people to form and american samoa to duties in person rather than bringing 700 people here? but they have set a high bar, so they are coming under scrutiny for these kinds of things, as you know. trace: these are pictures you just got in. this is the amtrak crash in canton, michigan. five people -- you can see the tarp right there. this amtrak train hit a car and

the standard procedure there has five people inside the vehicle. for some reason, it is on the tracks, and the train struck it. the vehicle, when it struck, sometimes the impact is so hard that it has got a fair distance. it looks like this train wreck the car along. five people are dead inside the vehicle. those are brand new pictures coming in the detroit metro area. martha: this monday, we will have confirmation hearings underway for judge sotomayor and it is no small event. justices serve for life, as you know, so how are they planning to approach president obama's first nomination to the high court at the gop?

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trace: senate judiciary committee republicans say they have no way to block sotomayor's confirmation. so they are planning hearings as a teaching moment, as you will, articulating conservative legal principle that they believe are important to the country. where are joined now by megyn kelly, who will host a sunday night special. that -- 2-double coverage starting on monday. -- that, and gavel-to-gavel coverage starting monday. they cannot block this. >> the odds are that this is going to get an up vote and she will be confirmed. having said that, i do not know about a teaching moment. there will be drawn and next week. -- trauma next week. there is a witness list, and

that they will call her up, and guess who republicans want to hear from? frank ricci, the firefighter. remember, she got denied a promotion because minorities challenged the exam, saying no one passed and they are not qualified for promotion and they would sue for discrimination. frank ricci, who suffers from learning disabilities, spent thousands trying to get himself up to speed. he passed the exam, but was denied a promotion and she upheld the denial. and this guy, frank, is going to take it to congress and testify against her. it remains to be seen if that will change anything. how she going to handle herself? there are reports about their demeanor, temperament problems for lawyers year before her.

i got a lot of complaints about the demeanor of judges as well. they do not like when they yell at you. but we will see if they can pass that down to the committee and whether she will pass the examination for people like jeff sessions, who has made clear he will not go easy on her. trace: do you expect to the scene to get ugly for other times? >> well, why would they extend capital and getting ugly with the nominee? but it is possible, because some people have made the nra, out with a threat saying that they are not sure about her, either, and they are not calling for no vote, but they might, and that is a hugely powerful group. is the nra starts calling in, anything can happen. trace: they are not for gun rights, so they are furious. tell us what about the special?

>> it will basically get you familiar with this woman. i went to her high-school and talk to people who knew her then. we have our correspondence going everywhere, trying to get a full biography. you will hear a lot about her you have never heard before. we begin coverage monday morning at 9:00 a.m., and let me tell you, trace, if she does get on the supreme court, she will become one of the most powerful -- never mind women, people in the united states, almost as powerful as you and martha, ku now that i get down to this news room and see the staff and camera people -- bill, get down here. wait until they see. trace: she is pregnant, and the

chairs are up. look at that. there is my baby bop. getting bigger every day. she has to get on the chair, and i said, "you can stand up." >> but what do i do? do i cross my legs? we could go on about this for hours. trace: meanwhile, we get emails. what did you do? i thank you very much.

martha: a shocking confrontation with a paramedic. the driver made a crude gesture at him, all over this, while a woman is inside the ambulance. we are live outside the house when a patrol headquarters in oklahoma city. we will do this right now -- outside the highway patrol in neoklahoma city. >> they have a case file on their desk, and they cannot decide what to do about the trooper and a paramedic. but they were on the scene when this all went down. they are speaking exclusively to fox news.

>> lost in the discussion about who did what to whom is the fact that an elderly heart patient was in the ambulance. she can be heard screaming on the tape. a that a woman was still a jordan, who these days is a fragile and nervous individual -- her name was stella jordan. persistent remembers vividly how upset she was. -- her sister remembers how upset she was. >> she was screaming. i picked her up and held her and said, "this is going to be alright." calmed down, calmed down -- "calm down, calm down."

i prayed to the lord that my sister would be all right. >> the final report of the incident has been sitting on the desk of the highway patrol chief in oklahoma for weeks, leading many to remember when -- question when this will be resolved. they say it takes time for these issues to be fleshed out. >> there is a stuff happening. there are state laws that say we cannot talk about what we're doing. employees have rights, and we have to protect them. >> we have learned that after the incident, after the patient had been safely delivered, martin did offer a apology to the family. they think more needs to be done. >> they should take his badge and gun, because the next person may not be enforcing that the same. >> we were assured one month ago, talking to folks, and since then it has been revealed that the paramedic, maurice white,

was released from a previous job, and his employers had cited unprofessional behavior. he was fired after serving less than a year by a unanimous council vote, and they said they felt it was in the best interest of the police department if he would leave. martha: you can hear more on foxnews.com. trace: we have an exclusive coming up. a book by al qaeda. businesses more efficiently, so we've brought in a team of experts to help. one suggestion is to make your shipping more efficient with priority mail flat rate boxes from the postal service. call or go online for a free supply and up to $160 in offers from authorized postage vendors. shipping's a hassle! weighing every box...

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trace: there is a bus fire at the hard rock hotel and casino in south florida. we are being told that the bus is not occupied. we also have the fox news exclusive. neyra -- 9/11 terrorists have put out a book, called "the guides to laws regarding muslim sites." two men and the terror network even wrote the introduction. the book also points up the struggles of the group. catherine herridge is in washington.

do you have a copy? how did you get it? >> yes, i have one here, and it makes for interesting recent periods -- reading. this emerging leader is writing at length about spies amongst the group. there recognize that because of spies, the u.s. has been successful in its droll campaign. and men work at islamic law, which has certainly had requirements to kill spies, and they're saying, hey, we are in a desperate situation. trace: so who are the spies, exactly, and how do they operate? >> their people in trouble pakistan, and one significant page shows the infrared homing devices -- if you find anyone with these devices, you can kill them right away.

that is real evidence. you see those devices there. the military says that the device can be used to allow creditors to lock on to their target. trace: now up to martha. martha: i bet you are wondering what happens when we are done. it could not possibly be better. but it turns out that it is. so we came all the way up here to find out. shepard : when i was 14, you could get a driver's license. it is crazy. everything is a number. the sheriff will be in with us to tell us about what this kid was doing. martha: he was going to take his cousin and a little brother for ice-cream, and he could have

killed everyone in the car. shepard: he could have. they were going over 100 miles an hour. i think erect two cars by 14. he should get a timeout -- i think that i totaled two cars by age 14. my parents would have beaten me and beat me and beat me. he needed to be hit. and then there is this other 14- year-old who got the video of the d.c. metro guy testing. -- sending a text message. it is the new smoking. texting is not illegal everywhere, and i do not feel bad about doing it. when i drive trains, i do not text. the other thing is, justice ginsberg -- should she be

talking about the new drugs coming in? i guess the napolitano says she should not. it sounds like fun, doesn't it? you should hang around. i win, you lose, gallagher. trace: 14 years old -- are you kidding me? shepard: you can get your permit at 14, and in six months, you get your license. you get your driver's license. your driver's license. and you get two phone books so you can see over the steering wheel. somebody's blackberry is going off. trace: thank you. speaking of driving, two dramatic cases -- chase's caught on tape.

the incidents are raising brand new concerns about the safety and effectiveness of police pursuit. .

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trace: two horrific crashes. dallas county, texas. there are new questions about the policies of the police. this first video shows how violent these crashes can become. a news chopper was following a sedan as its kids off the highway. the car is hit by a pickup truck. the next day, another chase. a woman fleeing police during a

traffic stop. she takes off. this also ends in a horrific wreck. the driver and passenger in the second car had to be taken to the hospital. look at the pictures. fsmdan, we watched these things. it is like sports in california. is it really worth chasing these people? you are risking a lot of lives out there and sometimes by chasing them, it picks up the speed. should we let them go? >> that is a good question. that is a question that police leaders struggle with, too. in order to effectively carry out their responsibilities, one has to enforce the law. at what point does the risk of having a pursuit like this out with the potential benefits? trace: that is the whole thing. when we see these things, the spike strips, these guys and getting caught and going to jail. the question is, if somebody

gets killed, every policy, every organization across the country has the wrong policy. should these be uniform? should we find out a way to deal with these things and say, this is the way it will be from now on? >> there has been a lot of work done in this area, research and groups that have come together. they have talked of this very issue. should there be a national standard or policy? i know some of the agencies have taken this seriously in this area and have limited the ways in which officers can pursue. that is sometimes a difficult decision to make. trace: these are bad guys. sometimes they are bad guys. we know that. sometimes there murder suspects and they need to be caught. the police say, our job is to catch the bad guys. when some guy is driving at 95 m.p.h. and he has robbed a bank,

our job is to catch him and we will catch him. >> you have hit the nail on the head. agencies that have crafted policies have taken that into account. they take into the account -- they take into account that pursuits might be necessary. for others, there might be less necessity to pursue. there are other ways to end something like that successfully without pursuit. trace: to give us the recipe. if they are violent offenders, you get them. if they are not, you don't. what if you do not know? >> if i have that recipe, i would like to market that. a stick up, and robbery, that has to be stopped. a traffic violation, the necessity might be somewhat

less. the motion that goes into this, when a violator is not complying and driving away, that has to be taken into account as well. agencies that have taken this seriously have found that violators are not more likely to flee when there is a more restrictive pursuit policy. trace: thank you, sir. martha: remember the picture we were talking about? the metro train driver was texting while he was supposed to be operating the train. this was caught by a 14-year-old on a cell phone. ith more. only one a day men's 50+ advantage... has gingko for memory and concentration. plus support for heart health. that's a great call. one a day men's. or annuity over 10 or even 20 years? call imperial structured settlements. the experts at imperial can convert your long-term payout into a lump sum of cash today.

martha: thank you for being with us. i'm martha maccallum. shepard: we begin with breaking news. we have a train crash going on. these are live pictures coming to us right now from canton township in michigan. that is where this train has come off the rail. wjbk in the detroit area is sending us these pictures. information is somewhat limited. here is what i can tell you. five people are said to be dead. police in canton townships say this train crashed into a car and killed all five people in that veh.