laura: "the o'reilly factor" is on. tonight: >> i know that in the past the united states has sometimes fallen short of meeting our responsibilities. so let me be clear those days are over. laura: it looks like the president's european trip may have been a major bust as most of our allies don't seem to share mr. obama's environmental vision. is his honeymoon over at home and abroad? >> most public officials, they get to look into a camera and they say, you know, you better leave your hands off my kids. well, i haven't been able to say that. laura: media leaks continue to trash sarah palin and her family. you will not believe what they are saying now. auto achilling video of the statue of liberty being decap nated. caution, you are about to enter earth no spin zone, the factor begins right now. [captioning made possible by fox

news channel] captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org-- laura: hi, everyone. i'm laura ingraham reporting tonight for bill o'reilly. thanks for watching us. the president meets the pope. and that is the subject of this evening's talking points memo. it was a great photo on when the president's poll numbers are dropping. 25 minute sit down pope meets hope. three days before the president's visit the vatican issued a pay pal teaching document titled charity in truth. it was a treatise on human development encompassing everything on the financial markets to abortion. and back home it took catholic democrats no time to twist its meaning in an effort to bolster mr. obama's radical proposals such as cap and trade and health care reform. here is what they are not telling you. although the pope supports protecting the environment, he

specifically warns against viewing nature as something more important than the human person. in other words, we have to be good stewards of the environment, of course, but never at the expense of human beings, including the unborn. and although the popen courageous wealthy nations to assist poor nations, he warns that foreign aid should not in any way be used to diminish populations through abortion or contraceptives because both run counter to true economic and human development. and let's take the health care reform issue. the vatican believes that individuals are entitled to health care but never endorses any particular approach. and it's unquiskably opposed to the destruction of embryos for medical research. a position directly at odds with president obama. also, i'm sure the president didn't bring up the fact that this meeting that his team is promoting abortion as a, quote, universal right at the u.n. this

month. so no matter how much spin you are going to hear in the coming days about how the president and the pope found common ground, remember. this the pontiff's central message ha is that meaningful social progress is only possible if we first embrace moral truths and protect human life at all stages. but, for a president with such a notorious anti-life agenda, that could be above his pay grade. and that's the memo. and now for the top story was the president's trip overseas a bust? look, he didn't get any serious support to limit emissions of greenhouse gases. he barely touched the subject of iran and how to deal with their nukes and the europeans have not jumped at the chance to help us out on the terror war. meanwhile, obama's poll numbers here at home have taken a serious hit. so has this week threen monkey wrench into the president's plans to remake america. joining from us los angeles matthew littman and here in the studio with me is republican

strategist sherri jakovis. matthew, i want to start with you because these numbers at home cannot be encouraging for president obama. his approval ratings are dropping. his disapproval ratings are increasing, whether you are looking at the rasmussen poll or the gallup poll. we are overseas at the g-8 talking about global warming and heading down to guana. how does this work out? >> first of all, his personal popularity rating is at 79%, which is extremely high. so his numbers, i don't agree with you. i don't think that they're plummeting but given what he wants to do and the ambitiousness of his agenda, including health care this month, i would they hope see his popularity ratings actually take a bit more of a hit because i think he is going to have to use some of that popularity to get through the very serious legislation that he wants passed. laura: matthew, let me get this straight. you are saying these numbers are a good sign for the obama administration? >> to me, actually. laura: you should work for rahm

emanuel. that's great. >> you think so? laura: his plummeting numbers, sherri. >> they are not tumbling. laura: they have been tracking lower and lower and lower. obviously he is still considered a very attractive and interesting and historic president. no doubt about it he is still very -- >> -- still very popular, laura. laura: when it comes to his agenda and, sherri, ohio, one of those hardest hit states in this country, on the economy, on the stimulus, on whether the stimulus is working, public support is eroding. >> it's dropping significantly. i have seen several polls and quinnipiac eight polls recently. here is the real problem for the president. he needs to rush everything through before congress goes home for their summer break and they start hearing from their constituents because right now his numbers are really dropping among independence, laura. that's where the president has a serious problem. those folks could be up for grabs in 2010 for republicans. they are not happy with this president. they are not happy with the spending. they are very uncomfortable with

it they are going to make themselves be heard loud and clear to their members of congress when they go home in august. that's where the president is going to have to come up with a different strategy rather than running just on his personal popularity. that is not a long-term political strategy that will work for him. laura: matthew, do you think the russians really cared much about the popularity or charm. did you see the audience that was panned during the speech he gave at the university he was cracking jokes but b. alexander -- stone face. russians are like let's talk turkey here. >> yeah. the russians didn't react like obama like they reacted to obama in france. no question about it going back for a second, the economy is still doing terribly. it's going to. the stimulus is going to take a while until this takes effect the money that the obama administration is going to be spending to give people jobs. this take as while to work out. as we go through, he doesn't have to pass everything by august. health care may get passed, it may not. cap and trade is not going to get done until later in the

year, possibly december until obama goes to copen hagan. laura: as a democrat, i'm putting myself on your position i'm going on a show and trying to look at these numbers and looking at these trends. >> yeah. laura: i'm thinking to myself i would start to worry. if we fast forward 8 months from now and it's next year and this economy is still shedding jobs. this recovery, housing starts, consumer confidence, investor confidence has not really taken a big uptick, this spells troubles for the democrats in the midterm elections regardless of how much people like maliyah and sasha and michelle and barack and they are a beautiful family. >> i agree with you. laura: besides that people are going to be looking for heads. and the heads that are going to roll are going to be the democrats' heads. >> actually, i agree with you that if the economy doesn't turn around a year from now there will be problems for the democrats. i think that's absolutely true. i think in obama's case with many of the things he is doing this is going to take a little while. while you say that his popularity is down it is down a little bit now but his personal approval ratings is still very

high. laura: on the stimulus, matthew? on the stimulus support is eroding. >> that's right. because people haven't seen the -- it takes a little while. i don't think obama set up well enough the fact that this is going to take a little while. did he at the outset that the economy is going to take a little while to get better. laura: 2 million jobs. >> matthew, what he told us was that this had to be done immediately. remember that laura? trust me, it's going to work. we are going to create jobs. if unemployment gets to 10%, this president -- i think you are going to see a free fall. i don't think it's going to take this year you are talking about. it's going to happen a lot sooner. he is asking members of his own party to trust him yet again when he hasn't proven himself. is he going to run into a lot of problem. the guy has to perform and deliver results. it hasn't happened. he is going to have to take some ownership for it because the american people are going to get very, very tired of hearing well, we inherited this and this is the bush economy. >> but we did. laura: on the verge of perhaps passing a cap and trade bill

that will increase the cost of doing business in the united states at a time when our economy is struggling to show any sign of real immediate life. and, meanwhile you tack on this health care reform bill which may or may not be stalled before the august recess, and these are just downward precious on the u.s. economy. so, again -- >> -- i don't think so. laura: i don't see how you move into positive territory with all these downward precious in our economy. >> well, i'm going to disagree with you about health care. i think the average cost for a family of four goes up $1,800 a year for health care. so it's t. already goes up for everybody. what obama needs to do is explain to the middle class of this country how they are going to benefit from health care reform it will be great if 50 million more americans got health care. people need to know individually. laura: at what cost? the question people are asking what is this going to cost us? i appreciate both of you joining us matthew and sherry. up next, does the obama administration really want to give al qaeda miranda warnings on the battlefield?

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laura: and in the impact segment tonight, first he put the can a bash on gitmo and now president obama's justice department says that al qaeda members actually have constitutional rights. isn't that lovely? including, perhaps, miranda warnings when they're captured on capitol hill this week assistant attorney general david chris faced off with senator john mccain. >> so you are saying that these people who are in guantanamo were part of 9/11 or committed of war against the united states are entitled to constitutional rights of the constitution of the united states of america? >> i mean, within the framework that i just described, i think the answer is yes, the due process clause gay tees an

imposes some requirements. that's the way i think i would put it, on the conduct and rules governing these commissions. laura: joining us from california steven clark a criminal defense attorney. steven, there is a major debate going on inside the obama administration between the pentagon and the justice department. that assistant attorney general alluded to constitutional rights that enemy combatants supposedly now have. how do you see this thing playing out because i don't think president obama wants to give interviews talking about the constitutional rights that people like khalid sheik mohammed deserve. >> well, if we are going to give them a trial, we have to give them procedural safeguards. we need to make sure that if we are going to use somebody's confession that it wasn't coerced. if we are going to try somebody that they have a right to counsel that they have a right not to compel testimony against themselves. those are basic constitutional rights to protect innocent people. laura: when have those ever --

steven, when have those ever been applied in the history of the united states to enemy combatants? when? >> well, if we are going to try them in the united states and parade them around and say these people are getting a trial, they should have those rights. there is a basic constitutional right to a fair trial. a due process right. we're going to put terry nicoles, a domestic trial, he gets those rights. a serial killer like jeffrey dahmer. >> why don't we give those rights to somebody another country who comes here and commits a crime? laura: because they are enemy combatants. they are not criminals. they are enemy combatants. they are people we have captured on the battlefield who were not operating like traditional soldiers in uniforms and fighting in other army. they were operating very differently. let me move on to something that's happening here because apparently there are about 50 to 60 gitmo inmates who could be tried in new military commissions. if one of these inmates, one of

them, gets off because the information that was obtained during their questioning is considered, quote, involuntary and, thus, not usable, that's what the justice department attorney said. that person goes back, kills a single u.s. soldier, marine, anyone in uniform, how does s. that going to look for the obama administration in this theory about constitutional rights? >> any time you have a trial, you take that risk. but that's the risk of the american justice system. just like if you were to let a serial killer off because you didn't -- the prosecution didn't meet its burden. that is a danger. it's the system that we have and it's the best system in the world and it's a model to the rest of the world. so, if you are using involuntary confessions, and those are unreliable, you may not have the right person. that's the key here. the system of justice we have is to protect the innocent. laura: but you keep bringing up run of the mill criminals. and, remember -- but, it's very

different. this is on foreign soil. this is in the middle of a war on terror. this is on a battlefield where these people are not operating, according to the laws of warfare. remember what the supreme court said in the hamdi case. hamdi versus rumsfeld i believe it's 2004. they said the purpose of detention against enemy combatants is to keep them from going back to the battlefield, from going back to the battle. if that's the purpose of our detaining these people in the first place, then this entire, you know, experiment and increasing the types of rights, whatever you want to call them of these individuals, is quite precarious for our future. our soldier's future. >> lawyer remarks under your scenario, why do we have a trial at all? why don't we just keep them? laura: you can have a trial, no, no, no. you can have a trial but it's not the trial that american citizens or people who are not enemy combatants would receive in the united states who do deserve constitutional protections. for instance, steven, do you think they should be able to make ineffective assistance of

counsel claims, sixth amendment claims during their cases? >> i do. i think they are entitled to a fair attorney that's competent. yes, i do. i think they should have that right. i think. laura: cruel and unusual punishment? >> they should be able to get that yes, die. that's a basic constitutional right. laura: eighth amendment claims? >> if they are convicted, and they are eligible for the death penalty, then they should get it if they had a fair trial. that is the key here. we don't have the punishment and then the trial. so, if we are not going to have a kangaroo court, if we are going to have something that's meaningful to the rest of the world that this is the way the united states does business, then i think that's the way we should do it. we should have a basic constitutional framework. that he was the fair way do. we want american citizens tried in this fashion in another country, we want exactly the same protection. laura: no, no, no. steven, american citizens aren't enemy combatants operating in other countries. ok? i'm not interested in what other countries are doing. we have more protections for

individuals in this country than any other country in the face of the planet. ok? more protections. and, you know, the idea that the next khalid sheik mohammed should get a sixth amendment right claims in court? i mean, i wouldn't want to campaign on that but, steven, i appreciate it lots of protections can be given short of these constitutional protections. and, directly ahead, new allegations of foul play in the death of michael jackson. the media has already had a field day with this one. plus, the palin beashes are now attacking the governor's role as a mother. one of thehehehehehehehehe want to know how fast it took my stiff joints to feel better? one pack. 6 days. that's elations. new elations. clinically proven to improve joint comfort... in as little as six days. drinking it every day keeps it working. elations has clinically proven levels... of glucosamine and chondroitin, in a powerful form that's more absorbable...

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york is jane hall, a fox news contributor. and journalism professor at american university. jane, i have been dieing to talk to you about this michael jackson story. i devoted a lot of time to the media's coverage of it on my radio show. even my listeners at some point said look, you are spending too much time on it abc looks like might have paid $200,000 for this -- the rights to air this video and then there was a subsequent interview. >> yeah. >> this is the story that never ends. >> well, you know, it's the gift that keeps on giving as i heard one television news person say not to be quoted. i will tell you, i broke a big story when i was with the "l.a. times" about a back door way like this for michael jackson. videos were bought by a network. we don't know yet what abc's response is. my quarrel is more with the interview itself. the reporter said what did you know about drugs? i didn't know nothing about drugs. i didn't know anything about drugs. you know, i -- joe jackson is a man whose son, michael, said he

beat the children. and i would love to see some reporter now that the funeral is over say well, what do you mean you suspect foul play? there was no follow-up? what do you mean? where were you? are you fighting? he said he was going to -- he thought he and his wife catherine in this interview should get custody of the children, and guess what, he was left out of the will. and i just, from the part i saw, which was only the part that is aired and has been online, i have so many more questions. i think if you are going to devote this much coverage, ask some questions about the hangers on and about, you know, more than just the state funeral when we got. laura: oh, please. jane, didn't you get the sense that there were ground rules before this interview took place that there might have been ground rules and parameters past which this reporter could not have gone or agreed to in order to get the interview? >> since i haven't talked to the reporter, i don't know. it seemed odd to me the way it was edited. he says he suspects foul play and there was no follow-up he

asked the drugs wanted edited i bet they dual a lot more later. if you get access to somebody, particularly in show business, it's true in politics, too, how you got to ask a journalistic question. and i think there has been so much speculation when you finally get joe jackson it seems to me you have obligation to ask. laura: jane, how about this? were you abusive to your son when he was a little boy? did you abuse him? did you push him beyond his limits and why did nobody in your family -- >> -- yeah. laura: or the name who. >> in your family actually stood up to michael jackson and said, you know something in there is going to be no concert. there is going to be no 50 concerts. we're going to step in and help you because you have a problem. i mean, for a family that we hear was so close, i mean, this seems to have been going on for many years. we heard reports of thousands of pills taken over the years.

i mean, this was a person completely out of control, very talented but completely sad and out of control and, yet, i don't -- it seems like they are making money off of him when he was alive since he was 5 years old and now they are making money off of him in his death. and i find it personally disgusting. >> i find it personally disgusting, too. i mean, we don't know what people tried to do to intervene and his family is grieving, particularly his children. but i think, given that his own son said this about him, if you get him, have you got to say do you feel any guilt about the fact that this young man had a stunted childhood or do you think beating him made him a big star? that would be a did good question. i would like to see somebody get that we're not going to get that we're just not going to get that. laura: jane, the media coverage, i mean, i took a lot of it in after the memorial concert or whatever you want to call it. and the press, i mean, with the exception of a few commentators on the cable networks, of the press was just defying michael

jackson. i'm a michael jackson fan. i listened to his music in the 80's. that's what i listened to. the diefication of this man does not reality of how he conducted himself. we all have flaws and i'm flawed. at some point it has got to stop. >> to be fair, the public deified. people did do stories. they did replay the child molestation trial on which he was acquitted. people mentioned these things but there hasn't been sort of a balance of the reporting. yes, he was extraordinarily talented but he was deeply. laura: cautionary tally it -- tale. it might be helpful for the public if we spoke about it in those terms. plenty more ahead as the factor moves along this evening. are planned parenthood abortion

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they are compelled to do under state law. most recently, pro-life filmmakers went under cover at an alabama clinic posing as a 14-year-old girl impregnated by her 31-year-old boyfriend. laura: joining us now from california is lila rose, the filmmaker who made that video and from montgomery, alabama, the states attorney general troy king. lila, i want to start with you because you have conducted these

sting operations at a number of planned parenthood clinics now across the united states. and you have discovered fascinating things about how they operate. but, when you went into that clinic, and you said you were 14 years old, what was her instant reaction? what was her body language, the facial expression? because she didn't -- she sort of seemed to say, ok. we have to figure out a way in other words, to work around that. >> the reaction of the planned parenthood staff member in alabama to hearing that i was 14 and that my supposed boyfriend was 31, over twice my age was that oh, it will stay within these walls, you know, we won't say a word to anybody. and then her next concern was figuring out a way to get my parents not to know about the abortion by getting someone, anyone, with the same last name to sign off on the paperwork, even though a legal guardian or a parent is required by alabama law. laura: now, planned parenthood of america, over the last year,

i think received about $350 million in government grants and contracts and for the year ending 2008, total revenue, they took in, $966.7 million. and most of that, of course, from the abortion procedure. i want to go to general king on this, attorney general king, you are investigating this particular clinic in alabama. this isn't birmingham. people think of birmingham as a conservative place. this would have been statutory rape. it didn't matter if she consented because, according to state law, there is no such thing as consent when you are 14, right? >> that's right. you are incapable of consent. laura, this is -- as a parent of three, this is outrageous. but as attorney general, this is the kind of conduct that deserves to be investigated. and i have invited the state health department that regulates abortion clinics to join me in my investigation and to get to the bottom of what is being con to girls who can't consent by

state law for a reason. laura: also, let's go back to what lyle lay said. this particular girl wasn't going to get her parental consent. this was lila posing in a sting. the worker at the clinic was all too happy to say well, do you have an older sister with the same last name? and lila, you probably were surprised about that response. >> well, i mean, the whole thing is stunning but, laura, i have been in nine of these clinics that we have released now mona lisa project, investigative undercover tour. and i have seen it again and again and again. age differences, 13 and 31. planned parenthood secretary of state we don't care. it doesn't matter. we are not going to report it this is a growing pattern across the country. at the end of the day, i mean, i can't be surprised as part of a generation that wants to build a culture of life in america. are we so surprised to find sexual abuse coverup at these clinics when there is this hostile attitude towards the life of the unborn child that is

being taken and regularly across the country. that extends to not protecting the dignity of these young girls going in and looking at them holistically and considering what they need and what their rights are to be protected. laura: attorney general king, what we have seen on that tape or we have seen on these other investigations, is a -- not just, obviously a disrespect for life. i mean, they make millions off the abortion procedure, but it's a willful attempt to disregard the law that's on the books and a purposeful effort to thwart the letter of the law on consent and on the statutory rape issue. they have a duty, a legal duty to report statutory rape. a legal duty. they are not, obviously they are not following that legal duty. what can happen to planned parenthood in birmingham ha? if this investigation goes forward and you corroborate what lila found, what could happen to them? >> well, at the very least, their license can be in jeopardy, laura.

look, this is extremely troubling. it's troubling that a girl would go into an abortion clinic that she would tell them she is 14 years old and she would be coached by an abortion clinic worker in how to break the law, to go and get an older sibling that shares her name. they even told her that if her boyfriend had the same last name perhaps he could sign and then most troubling of all, most disturbing of all is that they then told her well, i don't know how to tell you what to do so why don't you call back tomorrow and talk to the clinic manager and she'll -- she sometimes bends the rules. maybe she can tell you how to break the law. that is extremely troubling. laura: we are going to stay on this investigation. we appreciate both of your joining us and we will stay on it and have updates. up next, another nasty attack on sarah palin and her family. why this woman still drives the media elites crazy. and then a disturbing video of lady liberty being beheaded. is this just some crackpot or

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laura: thanks for staying with us. i'm laura ingraham in tonight for bill o'reilly. and in the factor follow-up segment tonight, sarah palin is under fire again after announcing that she would resign as governor. now some in the media are even questioning whether she is a good mother? quote. here it is:

laura: that's a mouthful and goes on and on. with us now is the woman who wrote that piece sally quinn, the co-founder of an on faith, "washington post" blog about religion. sally, it's great to see you and you are probably not surprised to believe that i was a bit taken aback by what you wrote. part of what you wrote is that you mentioned one of the reasons that she stated forever stepping down which was because she was upset that the 14 month old -- her 14 month old son trying, who was down syndrome was mocked and ridiculed by some mean-spirited individuals. one of her children had said that. >> actually she didn't that say that her children said that. >> i would like to know the names of those mean spirited adults who mocked children. i have one for you. his name is eric shawn nelson of

the huffington. he will try continue to crease the population of retarded people. goes on, palm beach post, rumor has it that her son trig is really her grandson and criticism of campaigning and raising a special needs child. that was from the palm beach post september 8th. the nastiness was out there about her special needs child and her. do you condemn of that. >> well, i think this is even more a reason why that she should have said when she stepped down because she did give many reasons. i mean, she said she stepped down for national -- she wanted to study national security and energy and it was the money and, you know, they were being sued and litigation and potential scandal and all of that and here was a one chance that one person ever could say i'm stepping down because i want to spend more time with my family. and everyone would have believed it i think that she does have a special needs child. i know about this because i have a special needs child. laura: so do you condemn what that guy wrote in the huffington

post? >> absolutely. i think it's disgusting. >> you said you would like to know the names. i gave you the names. this was happening out there. saying this wasn't her child. sally, women maybe have a lot of reasons for doing things. and you have written about this in your blog. women might have some family rationale. might be financial part. maybe it's multiple of things going on. what's going on? >> there is nothing wrong with it what i'm say something that there were all of these reasons that she gave and, yet, there was this family and there is this special needs child she was condemned by the elite left wing media. there was one thing that she could have done that would have won everybody over. she could have said, look, this is too hard on my family. i have this special needs child. laura: who are you to dictate what she says. maybe it's a lot of reasons. >> i'm not dictating.

i'm saying this is what she could have said to have won people over. special needs children are the lost children in this country. laura: anyone who has a special needs child can't be in higher office or run for higher office or can't have a professional life? >> no, i didn't say that if she is leaving office, this is answer credible chance for her, opportunity where she could help millions of people by saying as her child said my child is ridiculed. it's only going to get worse. special needs children really don't have the resources, the access to education. they have, you know, the loneliness, all of the really hard stuff. she is enormously powerful woman. with huge amount of charisma. laura: the reason people equate sarah palin with supporting special needs children is because she actually chose to have a special needs child. >> lucky -- laura: she didn't abored her child. she knew it was going to be hard. i have heard from so many

special needs parents across the country who say look, i don't agree with her on everything but i like the fact that she is out there. she is not hiding this child. she is not putting this child, you know, under wraps. this child is a part of their lives and integral part of their lives. for you to write this column, blog, questioning her fitness as a mother, i found that to be shocking, actually. >> well, i know that whether you have a special needs child, that child needs a lot more attention than most children. i'm just saying that she could be such an incredible role model for mothers. there isn't anyone out there right now speaking out for special needs children. and she hasn't done much speaking out for special needs children. laura: you have also said she has exploited her children. you have also wrote that she has exploited her children. i was listening to president obama in europe talking about maliyah and sasha running around the kremlin in their trench coats and they look like, you know, get smart and how funny it was and we have the vegetable garden at the white house, the

swingset and choice of bo the dog. do you think that president obama using the popularity of his children to, you know, even make him, himself more popular? don't politicians always do this? >> i think that obviously people want to know about other people's families. and i think that that's fine. and i -- but i do think that there is a line. i must say that when bristol palin went on this four for young women to talk about unwed mothers. she put herself and her mother allowed her to put herself in a position where she became a public figure and, therefore, fair game. and so then she was naturally criticized and then sarah palin jumped in and said how can they criticize my child? i think you really do need to know where to draw the line. i think that the clintons were very careful about their children and the bushes were, too. laura: sally, would you have written the same piece about a black liberal governor? would you be writing these things. >> absolutely. laura: i want to see that.

>> you might well agree. if i had written it about someone. laura: i don't think so. i think women have lots of reasons for doing things. >> i do, too. laura: part family, part financial. that's pro choice, isn't it? >> what i'm say something that sarah palin is doing so much good. laura: i would say she is doing a lot. she chose life. that's the main thing. she chose not to abort. that's the most profound statement of all. >> the most profound statement was that she had the choice to make that choice. laura: that's nor the next debate. sally quinn, great to see you. the statue of liberty gets beheaded in a new internet video. is this a real threat or sick joke. another o'reilly shootout with our old friend congressman barney frank. barney frank. get ready f f%%%%%%%%%

laura: unresolved problem segment tonight. a disturbing anti-american video surfaces on the internet. last month a statue of liberty replica was stolen from a coffee shop in brooklyn, new york, then this popped up on youtube. [chainsaw]

laura: the videomaker sent the clip to the owner of a coffee shop. with us is the investigative director project on terrorism. is this anything we should be concerned about? it's bizarre. >> he has got his 15 seconds of fame. maybe 8 seconds of fame. this is not al qaeda warning. if al qaeda wanted to do something, they would blow up the actual statue of liberty, ok? it reminds me of the anthrax letters who tried to mislead the people to believe it was from al qaeda. it wasn't al qaeda has enough serious plots underway they don't need to do this. laura: your group monitors activity on the internet. you try to do a composite sketch of where the terror threat might be today. >> also in the united states. we do undercover reporting and informants. use informants as well here. laura: what is the most disturbing thing you have seen

lately about the terror friend trend. >> the plot to blow up two synagogues and shoot down a national guard plane. the shooting of the national guard recruiter in arkansas. the number of jihadists in the united states is way higher, way, way higher than the "the washington post" or the "new york times" or any other politically mainstream newspaper would ever admit. the fbi knows this and they are having a very difficult time tracking them but they know the problem is there the merch public is being mislead. laura: private william long who was gunned down. that's how are talking about outside the recruiting station. he was killed by a convert to islam; is that right? >> convert to islam who went to yemen and you the pretense of teaching english there are dozens of those black american converts who go to yemen. get -- carry out jihad and come back here. they are ticking time bombs. >> he was actually arrested over there for travelling on a passport he wasn't supposed to be travelling on. then he came back here. they opened up a general investigation. i guess the fbi.

nothing came of and it he was casing out the recruiting area. >> listen, just over the weekend there was islamic radical conference here in washington. the guy calls for jihad. he is the former head of islamic prison system in new york state. he had supported al qaeda. this is a guy tho that has influence over tens of thousands of inmates. laura: this prison stuff, the lid has to be blown off. this i know you are doing a lot of work on this. i want to have you on my radio show. we will go into it on greater detail. thanks for the heads up on this. always go good to see you. one bit of housekeeping. we hope you check out bull o'reilly.com great special going on web site. buy an american patriot polo shirt and tote bag totally free of charge. seems like spectacular deal to me. speck out my radio show and web site laura ingraham.com and twitter.com back slash ingraham angle. still to come bill o'reilly and barney frank go at it again. it's a factor classic. do not miss it. it's just moments away.

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laura: in the "back of the book" segment tonight, it was the interview the world was waiting for. congressman barney frank versus bill o'reilly, the rematch. here are some highlights from that spirited exchange. bill: let's begin with president obama not releasing the prisoner abuse pictures. do you support the president's actions? >> pretty much. i was a little puzzled that people were saying we were going to withhold pictures between 2001 and january 22, 2009. i still haven't gotten an answer why he feels this is only ap applicationable during the bush administration. bill: you know senators gram and lieberman were very upset when

their bill went to the senate, you stripped out that provision of banning the photos from public release, you saying you wanted to hear the other side, and the senators saying hey, we've heard from every top ranking general, the cia, and everybody else, the defense department, they all say this puts troops in danger and yet you and mrs. pelosi did succeed in stripping that out. you can see why some people are annoyed. >> i looked at the whole situation. my objection was procedurally. it was for funding the iraq and afghanistan military efforts, and the senate then unilaterally said ok, without any debate, we're going to put that in there. bill: why bother with procedure? >> well, could we have a rational discussion? bill: i think we are. there's always going to be interruptions. you've seen the program. >> i don't think this is more

complicated. bill: i didn't yell, senator. if the volume is up on your ear piece, we'll turn it down. >> because the timing was not a problem. there was no chance that those photos were going to be released. if there was an emergency, it would be a different story. bill: why didn't you come out and say i support the gram-lieberman bill, but i'd like to do it in a different way. >> i did say that. bill: when? >> i'm not responsible for everything you hear. i consistently said during that discussion that i thought it was a mistake to do this in this form, violating the procedure, to put it into an unrelated appropriations bill. i think the problem in putting other issues in there is where we get into trouble. you could have said it -- excuse me. bill: i've covered this pretty closely. >> no, no, we're not going to stop with you saying -- i'm not

going to let you -- bill: i believe you. you said it, i believe you. maybe you could have said it louder. >> i wasn't talking only to you. bill: next time tell me. the last time we were yelling at each other was about your oversight about fannie mae and freddie mac, and we disagreed. now, you're back saying that the banks should loosen up the condominium loans and, again, some people are saying, the "wall street journal" today hey, he's doing the same thing. congressman frank is social engineering with the banking system just what he did with fannie and freddie, and you say? >> they're completely wrong. i was a strong opponent of the bush administration's effort to send loans to people who couldn't afford it. i wanted a bill for rental housing for people. i have a consistent record in

opposing the bush administration's pushing low interest mortgages that were thought were a mistake. with the condominiums, we're not talking about subprime or poor people. we do have this problem with cities with vacant property. they have a rule that they will not finance a condominium unless 70% of the buildings -- the units of the building are already sold. i'm not talking about whether that borrower should pay for it. they shouldn't allow any borrower that can't pay for it to do it. if you won't fund anybody unless it's 70% it will never be. bill: as long as you're not going to go into the social engineering realm. >> i was opposed to this. bill: well -- >> bill, that's not rational. bill: the "wall street journal." >> i'll show you the record. bill: are they not rational? >> not on this issue. in 2007 when i first became

chairman and filed a bill and got it through the house to restrict subprime lending the "wall street journal" editorials attacked me. they have been totally wrong and were until very recently pushing for these loans. i don't think that's rational. bill: we gave you your say tonight. are you happy? >> with what? bill: with everything, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. >> i'm never happy, bill. laura: that is it for us tonight, i'm laura ingraham in for bill o'reilly, hope to see you again next time. remember, the spin stops here because we're definitely looking out for you. sunday will mark this one-year anniversary of our friend tony snow's death after his valiant battle against cancer. tony, a fox news anchor and radio host before he went on to his job as white house press secretary will always be warmly remembered and missed here at fox and on "the factor." [captioning made possible by fox news channel] captioned by the