she is also known as wiggins, malden, linke, cocoa, and pam long. we will pass this out to the press. we would prefer at this time, as this is not meant to be harassment, we will not speak to our business dealings, holdings, or her current home address. is imperative that we speak with her as soon as possible. if she has any family or friends aware of her rope whereabouts, tell her to please contact us. >> [inaudible] >> she is not. to the best of our knowledge, she would not -- >> [inaudible] >> she was renting the property.

again, we will not release full information on her. our intent is not to harass her, it is to speak with her. >> [inaudible] >> i will not address that issue at this time. >> [inaudible] >> thank you for asking that question. in the neck -- last few 24 -- in the last 24 hours we have developed a list of people of interest. we are also pondering, at this time, the huge gap in this operation. as you well know, we have spoken from the beginning about its execution. 10 minutes on the compound, four minutes on the house, exiting

the property within 10 minutes. the big hole in this investigation, and although you should have asked this, we have asked ourselves from the beginning, why was the security system not disabled? we are of the opinion that this is a piece of the puzzle that has yet to be solved. there may have been someone involved in this case, it was their duty to disable the system. >> do you think that it was her? >> we do not. remember, as a person of interest, we would like to gather information. >> [inaudible] >> we are concerned as we have had no contact with her for 48 hours. >> [inaudible] >> she is a person of interest. >> [inaudible] >> i will not confirm. at this point in time we have two persons of interest that

have come to sizable significance in the case. >> [inaudible] >> that would be pure speculation on my part. >> [inaudible] >> including family. >> we have the seven people at the scene? >> what can be read into the fact that someone has so many aliases? >> because she is not the subject of an investigation, we have not developed background information on her. the answer to be as simple as having local marriages. we do not know. >> [inaudible] >> we believe that there is an

additional person and we think it was their job and that they failed in the task. we are speculating that it was an attack of conscience, but who knows. the execution was basically flawless. execution, entrance of the property and compound. the gaping hole preventing this from being a perfect operation was the security and surveillance system not being disabled. begging the question, why was it not? >> [inaudible] >> let me explain this again, we have identified the seven people in a complex, those people are in custody. there is an eighth or ninth person that was of close to a

favored -- supposed to have played a part. >> [inaudible] >> we are speculating at this point. we are pursuing an avenue that because of this operation, we believe that the system should have been disabled by someone that has yet to have been identified or arrested in this case. >> were they surprised that it was not disabled? >> i believe that they enter the compound with the belief that they were not under surveillance. >> could it be disarmed from a remote location? >> most could be disarmed at the location or remotely. as many people tell you, in their homes and businesses they have security systems where they can monitor their home or business by using their access code at their home computer.

newton also activate or disable a system. it may have been done from a remote location. >> [inaudible] >> this is the reason for persons of interest. we are now looking at anyone who may have had an involvement with the security system, everyone from the company that installed it on back. why was this system at dawn in an otherwise very -- i hate to use the word perfect, but perfectly executed murderer? >> can you confirm that the d.a. is involved? >> i will not address that question. >> [inaudible] >> it is a matter of public record. i will not release that, just as i will not release the information for miss long. >> [inaudible]

>> i will check with the state attorney's office. we received clearance, if it is comfortable in the release, we certainly will. this is a set -- current koto. -- current photo. >> [inaudible] >> the answer is no, i have answered that question. >> [inaudible] >> we have executed numerous search warrants, i will not address the items we have not received. >> [inaudible] >> [inaudible] >> in the gulf breeze area

proper. and >> [inaudible] >> possibly. >> [inaudible] >> i cannot. >> [inaudible] >> as i understand, she has numerous property holdings. i will let it go with that. >> [inaudible] >> at that time she was not. that is why we would like to speak with her. any other questions? >> [inaudible]

>> people in help wanted ice water. thank you very much -- in hell want ice water. thank you gary much. >> a new person of interest, karoline lover long. at least five different aliases. not saying that she is a danger to the community, but she is apparently well known in that area, very near the pensacola area. brian, you asked how she can have this many aliases. >> when you see someone with a lot of aliases, there are usually alarm bells. why did this person have so many possible names? they believe that she is now going by pamela lover long. she is a realtor, well known in

the gulf breeze area. this is a picture. she is a person of interest, a person that they would like to talk to. we are told that she might own some antique stores, something that we will be looking at in the days ahead. she is identified as the mastermind in this case. in the course of the investigation, the sheriff is getting a sense. they have developed information the basics -- expected the security system to not beyond. the question they are wondering

about is who was supposed to turn it off and what happened because it did not come through. other people could be counted down in the days ahead. they believe that the murderer is solved. starting to come together in a thread, the information that they develop in this case is causing other law-enforcement agencies to stand up and begin their own investigation into other businesses. martha: thank-you to brian for that. here comes president obama, we will listen to what he has to say on this important topic. health care. >> i think that i have said this before, i really like nurses.

to have them here today on behalf of such a critical issue, let me introduce a few. becky patton, president of the american nurses association. dr. mary wakefield, a nurse and administrator of the health resources and services administration at hhs. teacher walker, currently at the johns hopkins bloomberg school of health. dr. rebecca weisman, at the university of maryland school of nursing. i am also joined by rep chairman george miller, and my friend, chris dodd.

i am pleased to be joined today by representatives from the american nurses association. on behalf of 2.9 million registered nurses in america, men and women who know as well as anyone the urgent need for health reform. as i said before, i have a longstanding bias towards nurses. when our younger daughter was diagnosed with a dangerous case of meningitis at the age of three months, we were terrified. we were appreciative of the doctors, but it was the nurses that walked us through the entire process to make sure that she was okay. when both of my daughters were born, the obstetrician was one of our best friends. we saw her for about 10 minutes in each delivery. the rest of the time, what we saw were nurses, doing an

incredible amount of work in not only taking care of michelle, but also caring for a nervous husband and then, later, for a couple of fat little babies. i know how important nurses are. the nation does as well. they are in it to care for all of us. easing the pain, if it were not for nurses, the underserved in rural areas would have no access to health care at all. few understand why we have to pass reform as intimately as our nation's nurses. they see firsthand the heartbreaking costs of our health care crisis. these are the same stories i

have heard across the country. insurance premiums and prescriptions so expensive that they consume a family's entire budget. americans forced to use the emergency room for something as simple as a sore throat because they cannot afford to see a doctor. they understand that this is a problem that they can no longer defer. we cannot kick the can down the road any longer. nothing more than defending the status quo. those who would oppose our efforts should take a hard look at what it is they are opposing. premiums have risen three times faster in the past 10 years than the rates. every single day we wait to act, thousands of americans lose insurance. some of them turn to nurses in emergency rooms as their only recourse. make no mistake, the status quo

is not an option for the united states of america. it is not sustainable and it has to change. i know a lot of americans are wondering what reform would mean, so let me be clear, if you like your health care plan, you can keep it. if you like your health care provider, you can keep that as well. this is for people that have health insurance, you will save money. lose your job, change your job, start a new business, no insurance company will be able to deny you coverage if you have a previous condition. you will not be able -- you will not have to worry about being priced out of the market.

that is what reform means for the uninsured and the people that have health insurance right now. it was not long ago that those same naysayers' doubted that we could make real progress on health care reform. thanks to the work of key committees in congress, we are closer to the goal of health reform and we have ever been. today, thanks to the unyielding passion and inspiration of our friend, ted kennedy and chris dodd, the senate health committee reached a major milestone by passing a similarly strong proposal for health reform. the plan was debated for more than 50 hours, with republican amendments. the hopeful side of bipartisan support for the final product,

if people are serious about bipartisanship. both proposals will take what is best about our system today, making it the basis of our system tomorrow, reducing costs, increasing quality, being sure of fair treatment by the insurance industry. it including health insurance exchange, a marketplace that will allow families and small businesses to compare service and quality, choosing a plan that best suits their needs. among the choices available would be a public health insurance option that would make health care more affordable by increasing competition in keeping insurance companies honest. growth proposals will all for stability and security for americans and have coverage today and affordable options to those who not. this progress should make us hopeful, but not complacent.

america's nurses need us to concede. on behalf of the patients that they sometimes speak for, if we invest in prevention, nurses will not have to treat complications that could have been avoided. modernizing health records can streamline paperwork that could take up one-third of the average nurses day. freeing them to spend more time with their patients. if we make their jobs easier, we can attract and train the young nurses at the need to make up the nursing shortage that is getting worse. nurses do their part every time they check another healthy patients out of the hospital, and it is time for us to do our part. i want to be clear, we are going to get this done. becky and i were telling people, we need to buck up people here.

that is what nurses do all the time look at becky, she knows what she is doing. we need to be clear that you need to get this number. nurses are on board, the american people are on board, it is not up to us. doing what we have done for so long, deferring tough decisions for another day, or we could step up and meet our responsibility, looking to the next election and next generation to come together to build a system for these nurses, the patients the care for, doctors and hospitals, families and businesses, and our nation's future. we have a great team behind us. we will be continually talking about this for the next few

weeks until we have got a bill in the senate and a bill in the house. then we will deserve a few weeks' rest, getting a bill done in the rose garden. martha: there is the president with chris dodd, talking about the importance of nurses that he said are extremely important to the medical practice. he claims that people surrounding him, these medical professionals believe that health care reform brought by the democrats is the right way to go. lots of discussion about that. we were about 100% sure if he would take questions. remember, the last one, he walked out and entered a couple of questions.

clearly an important moment, is major garrett standing by? the significance of what we just heard, possibly more important, what passed in the senate committee. >> important observations, 3, i would say. the american nurses association is the new in its endorsement of obama. they backed him last year before the election. , they have been integral to the obama approach. it is not a surprise that they are here. you heard the president's remarks. starring talk about the opponents of health-care reform, identifying the health-insurance industry, saying that if you are a cynic or naysayer, you are on the side of the industry that has profited too much in the last few years.

undermining potentially tougher rhetoric from the white house. at the end, the president said that we need to buck up. this president has had a larger majorities in the house and senate than any president since lyndon johnson, but the process is getting bogged down. the senate committee, one out of four, with both of those bills, trying to generate momentum. martha: is this indicative of the president taking a harder line with folks in congress? he has had a more standoffish relationship in the past. >> principally, the health care

advisers know that the clock is ticking. if they do not get action before the recess, there is a large likelihood that this could fall apart. they are conceding that this could be impossible, but they are trying to push the senate along as aggressively as they can. they know that the clock is against them. that is why the president and his advisers are leaning on them as hard as they can. >> thank you, as always. martha: with us now, twa -- two people with divergent views on health care reform. welcome to you both.

going to you first, of one of the biggest problems that people have is that they have no idea how people would get paid, and that the main way will be by taxing them more. >> we were proposing to pay for the cost of the program, and we are paying for it by demonstrating a significant number, we think that there are a lot of ways that we can cut out, changing practice patterns to do that. changing the trajectory of costs and health care, going through a surcharge on the wealthiest americans, 1% who have never fit in on reasonably under the bush tax cuts, hoping to pay for and provide stability and peace of mind. martha: listening to that, it feels like they're getting hit

every which way, corporations and small businesses, and now health care as well. >> the best thing that has happened to small business in the history of the country. finally sets of a system where small business owners can find affordable health care for employees, if they want to pay for it. if they cannot afford, there is a mechanism so they can continue to work for those companies. martha: many people fear that there will be a public auction and that there will be pushed back, with no watching of anything. >> you are right, martha. the test case was my state of tennessee. what we have found out is that a public option plan is too expensive to afford.

certainly, as the president says, we cannot afford not to fix this. although we know is that the united states of america cannot afford to repeat the mistakes but we have seen played out in the health care delivery system. my colleague says that this is the best thing ever for small business. i would offer in opposition that this is probably one of the worst things to happen to small business. when he talks about taking money out of medicare savings for seniors, what else are they going to do? the money that they have been setting aside, they are going to take that money to offset the price, i think that is really unfair.

martha: there is a creeping feeling that americans are not happy with this, very concerned about this plan, they do not want the public auction and they do not think that this is the right way to go. how will you speak your constituents when you go back home? >> most of the polls show that 75% of the people approve of the public auction. they want the choice for a public plan and competing with private insurance by working for the business. i do not think that we have a big sales job to do on that. only 20% of the american people would choose the public auction. all of this talk of being a government takeover, the government is not -- martha: march against a final thought. >> what he is saying is something that i beg to differ with. there is a test case for public auction health care in tennessee. we saw that it was too expensive

to afford. if the burden fell on the state, every new revenue dollar generated in the state would consume 36% of the state's budget. what we saw was 55% of the people in that program were individuals who had previously had private option insurance. because they knew that they could come into this free public option, and it was a gold-plated program. martha, it is something that the taxpayers of this nation cannot afford any more than the taxpayers in my state that spent a decade digging out -- martha: right, congressman. i would urge both of you to continue to listen. everywhere i go people seem concerned with what they are getting. we will see, a very important issue. nice to see you here today. thank you. trace: it to be a full-blown hearing, that is what the house

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trace: there is word that the house intelligence committee to press ahead with a cia proposal that never went beyond the planning stage. the proposal involved had hit squads for taking out al qaeda leaders, and in the center of the controversy are reports that dick cheney ordered american spies to hide the details of the plan from the congress. jennifer griffin, live for us from the pentagon.

will this be an oversight hearing similar to the 1970's hearings against the cia? >> that is the question right now, is it not, traced out we spoke to the democratic head of the intelligence committee seeing if any money had been spent on the proposal, listen to what sylvester told fox yesterday. we have not always got the information, it has not always been timing. >> again, that sounds like what nancy pelosi has said in the past. and it looks like many democrats on the committee are pushing for a more full investigation. trace: how much of this is actually political? >> a good question.

this all came out when leon panetta, former democratic congressman, went to the hill in classified briefings and mentioned that he had found handwriting, reportedly, from dick cheney, the former vice president, saying that this program or proposal should not be briefed the congress. that is when it started. a letter was signed by democrats. listen to the ranking republican on the house intelligence committee. >> we did not get briefed on a program that never happened. but the magic words, dick cheney, pop out and all of a sudden it becomes a priority issue? i am concerned that this is nothing more than a partisan witch hunt by the house intelligence committee. >> that is what many republicans are saying. trace: that is the key question. if this proposal never became operational, does the cia even have to alert congress?

>> that is the big question. when i propose that yesterday, they said they did not have a clear answer and that they were basically fulfilling their own inquiry into the issue as we speak. i think that it will come down to whether any money was spent on this proposal that never got off the ground. trace: any word at all from michael hayden? i know that he said that dick cheney told them not to conceal this. >> he did say that a couple of days ago in an interview with national public radio. michael hayden, former director from 2006, earlier this year, said that he had never been told not to brief congress. the person we have not heard from as georgetown and, who was the cia director of the time that the proposal was made. i reached out to him yesterday, his spokesman said that he is not speaking to the press at this time. jennifer, thank you.

martha: congress passed the economic stimulus package, you all remember. the plan was meant to create more jobs, but since then the unemployment rate has gone up. does this mean that the stimulus plan did not work? if so, is there a better way? joining us now, dr. peter recede. welcome back. a lot of polls are being taken on this, whether or not the stimulus plan is working. the white house would say that this takes time and that we are dealing with the difficult economy and a tough job market. >> not just the size, but the nature of the recession have been misread. so many regional banks do not have enough credit, jpmorgan is not securitized in the loan or selling them. they are not providing credit, essentially, to smaller banks.

there's a huge trade deficit with china on oil, addressing those problems in the stimulus package. just like the bush tax cuts. martha: changing trade and the banking system, creating liquidity, you believe that this would be the main leverage that you would allowed to get this moving again? lots of money going into education, as you pointed out, $400 billion, in your words, most of it rewarding democrats and their constituents, like education. $400 billion of this plan, you see it as pork? >> basically $100 billion is in there for shovel-ready infrastructure projects, which is good. we are getting very little bang for the block, poorly conceived

as a package. it is a failure. makes you wonder about this health care plan they're coming up with. these numbers, these phantom numbers, now we have similar numbers for health care? these numbers, not realized, how much faith and we have in these numbers? >> is inconceivable to me to give them that much money to fix the health care system when so many people are uninsured. only 10 to 20 million people that we really need to attend to. the other problem with health care, if we do not achieve the savings, how will they handle that? tax increases built into the bill, essentially they are saying that if we do not succeed, we will raise taxes more. >> now they are targeting these

so-called super-wealthy, who are also employing a lot. we spoke to two members of congress who have disparate theories on this. the super-wealthy are employing people. if this goes into effect, jobs are going to go down further. >> that is right. take the elevator down. [feedback] trace: peter? we lost the feed. small businesses that employ people are the ones that will be affected by this so-called super rich tax to pay for health care, 1% of those who make about $350,000, going up incrementally. frightening 911 call after a freak accident at a meeting mark. >> a girl is under the car. trace: a girl was under the car. the rest of that horrifying call in three minutes.

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martha: let's take a look at the boxes. in the top box, an intriguing and very sad murder mystery that is playing out here. there is a new person of interest, a woman who is a realtor in florida the police said they want to talk to about this case, several people on the property when the couple was murdered. there is a woman that they want to meet, pamela long. if the

anybody knows where she is, please let the police know. police in florida want to speak with her. in the metal box, al qaeda releasing a new tape warning the pakistani people that the united states poses a grave danger to them. in the bottom, 50 camps nationwide have sent home campers early because of swine flu fears. in many places there is evidence of swine flu. trace: a heart wrenching story out of wisconsin that claimed the life of a college freshman who was working the night shift at a minimart in the university of wisconsin. do you see this? crashing through the window, they could not stop. listen to this. >> there is a girl in front of a car. it would not stop. it would not stop.

trace: the girl was 18-year- old, and lee hughes. she had just completed her first year of study. there is no word on why the van crashed. you heard that woman earlier, saying that her husband could not stop it from going to reverse. cops say that this does not appear to be intentional. you can see it out front, driving away in reverse, he could not stop. and he could not get the girl from the knees. martha: knowing what you know, your heart breaks for everyone involved. in the heat of the woman the way

that the one presented, there's not much reason to question what she is saying. this poor girl, a summer job working at a convenience store, everybody just love this girl. she was a freshman in college, a terribly sad story. trace: awful. hillary clinton, making a major foreign-policy address today. she has been keeping a low profile since today's speech. an upcoming diplomatic mission putting her back in the public eye big time. steve, what is the secretary trying to accomplish with this speech? >> she is trying to retake center stage in american foreign policy after being sidelined five is broken elbow for last month or so. as you saw, she was taking questions at the council for

foreign relations. the secretary had to cancel two trips while she was recovering. some said that she has been more of the public face foreign policy, but not a driving force. this speech will reassert the obama administration's goals around the world while taking a tough stand as well in the wake of recent protests. trace: do they still hope to create generated dialogue? >> they do. they are still hoping for that. the secretary, talking about when she gave the speech, the administration believes that this is the best way to achieve long-term goals. she had very tough language about the reaction to the protests. using violence to quell the voices of the iranian people, she called the actions deplorable and unacceptable but the only way to deal with the nuclear ambitions was to reach

out. i have a quote from the speech direct dialogue with the islamic republic leading to success, the importance of trying to engage iran, continuing down a path of further isolation. trace: thank you, steve. martha: we are watching a developing situation in the newsroom. a fire in dallas. there is the chopper shot. as you can see, some of the rescue vehicles are on the site. dallas, texas, a for alarm fire. four different town ships brought in to fight the fire. that is the shot coming in at 12:48, central time.

a senior citizen high-rise complex, there is great concern to get those people and we will continue to keep you posted on those developments. things quiet for a moment? they are trying to get that shuttle off the ground. same day, every day, they have those thunderstorms coming in. but we are told that at this moment all systems are go. looks a bit gray to me. just a little bit away from launch time. five times they have tried to get it off the ground. can you imagine having in there with these major problems, getting pulled out each time. nasa believes that we will see fireworks today. . are you receiving a payout from a legal settlement

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trace: check this out, i'm going to go over this. this is a four-alarm fair to in dallas. this is a high-rise, 10-15 juents on the scene. this is an apartment complex that houses seniors? >> yes, and i saw the pictures before we actually took them. this was huge. this was really big. the other thing is check out fox 4's website. 92 degrees. hot. not a good day for a fair to. but responded and there's major damage to the air-conditioning but happy to report only one injury so far. the tchopper said it may have started in the air-conditioning unit but looks like it was contained and we'll see how bad the one injury is.

could have been bad. 92 degrees, not a lot of wind but hot in dallas. >> going to be hot with no a.c. martha? martha: you know it's no easy task to fuel the space shuttle. the big orange tank is where they put all that fuel. the endeavor attempting its sixth attempt to launch. they need to finish that space stakes in a very short period of time, over the next several months. 6:303 eastern each time day the time gets moved about 20 minutes. the previous five attempts were put off because of bad weather and problems. phil, how's it looking for today? >> well, as you can see i have doned the rain here because a

bill kregg just came through and the lens trained on launch pad 39-s a, as we pan around you can see everything we deal with day after day here in florida. there were raindrops on the lens that is focused on the peace shuttle endeavor. it's been sitting there for about six weeks. there's been mechanical delays, the lightning storm on friday, which forced nasa to give its engineers to check out the circuitry. all of that is going brilliantly. all those things were fixed but on sunday, monday and today is wednesday. we're dealing with weather, and everything can change by the minute here in florida in summer time. but there aren't any technical issues at all. the final inspection team is up there looking at the solid rocket boosters, the orange

external fuel tank which is now full of propel nts and right mao the astronaut crew of endeavor has suited up and taken the arrest astro van and climbed into the endeavor two times going all the way until 10 minutes to launch and then having to unbuckle and launch. they are now a few miles from now putting on their space suits and in about two hours we expect them to hop in the van, all standard steel silver, the as astro van and they'll take the four-mile drive out there and go through this one more time. we're standing at a 60% chance of rain and welcome to florida. >> a few hours away. 340eu7 it will give it time for the weather to come out. it's my understanding that the reporters get way more

aggravated than the astronauts and handle these things well and take it in great stride. thank you, phil. tonight at 6:03 is the time for go. be sure to tune in this friday night because we have a fantastic documentary to show you, and i'm going to save this for my kids, and it's just a terrific look. friday night at 10:00 p.m., apollo 1 , one small step to our future. the first manned mission to the moon was 40 years ago. 1969. again that's this friday, gregg jarrett -- greta van susteren. trace: well, the 9/11 master mind khalid sheikh mohammed will appear in court and families of his victims were promised a seat at the table when it came to seeing justice for their loved ones and now

that promise may be broken. she'll be denied coverage because of a pre-existing condition. and he won't get the chemotherapy he needs. if we don't act, health care costs will rise 70%. and he'll have to cut benefits for his employees. but we can act. the president and congress have a plan to lower your costs and stop denials for pre-existing conditions.

martha: welcome back to "live desk," everybody. i'm martha maccallum. trace: i'm trace gallagher. brand-new breaking news and senators questioning sonia sotomayor refusing to answer a question on her views on abortion and said president obama never asked her about the

issue before he picked her. coming up this hour, senators arlen specter and al franken question judge sotomayor and police investigating the cold-blooded murder of a florida coup. they have release ad new person of interest and now the sheriff says another person was apparently supposed to turn off the security system before this crime went down but never showed up. we'll have a live report coming up and as of now the shuttle endeavor is set to launch and the weather just raining on phil keating. big problems there. we will keep an eye on things at the kennedy space center. martha: to our top story, barack obama taking his health care -- the president calling health care a problem quote we can no longer wait to fix.

>> so make no mistake. the status quo on health care is not an option for the united states of america. it's threatening the financial stability of families, businesses and government. it's unsustainible. page: reaching -- martha: reaching an agreement today that will cost by their estimates, $1.5 trillion. gop leaders are saying it's too costly and are mad they weren't at the table. >> if this isn't bad enough in terms of what it does to deliver health care in america, think about the giant increase in taxes that comes as a result of this, killing more jobs in america. you can't mandate -- put mandatory dates on individuals and customers and then put tax increases on combleers and expect that they are going to create jobs. martha: mike emanuel is

following all this from the white house. we heard the president's pitch. he's clearly trying to light a fair to under this plan. >> you're right. he was flanked by nurses saying nurses tons problem as well as anybody and this is third time the president has hit hard. yesterday in michigan he was talking about the economy and the needs for more training and education and then veered off and talked about health care. he said this is the time. martha: start judge greg said republicans are clearly unhappy about how much input they've been able to have in this process. what are they saying about this? >> you're right. >> one called it a job-killing, tax-racing raising, budget-busting bill. a lot of republicans complaining they did not have a seat at the table and if you

watch that committee vote in the senate it was 13-10 along party lines basically republicans saying we had no input and we don't want to put our name on this. we're seeing a pretty big rollout in toods kind of take this right to the is putting up ads in states like arkansas, florida, ohio, maine. what they consider potential swing state votes on health care reform running abad litem with, like, five people -- running an ad with, like, five people saying -- talking about it. trace: families were promised a seat at the table when -- now some of the families are saying

they are being shut out of the process and are still waiting to find justice for their loved ones, a day before confessed 9/11 mastermind lead shake mohammed makes a court appearance. katherine is streaming live there. you have spoken with nive 9/11 families that were gtmoed this week, right? >> i talked to one of the families and one of them was the longs. brian long lost his parents on flight 77 a that slammed into the pentagon and his wife melissa lost her boyfriend at the time a new york city firefighter. they have never given a television interview before but decided to speak to us because they are so upset about this review process and melissa said she went to a meeting in june with the interagency review task force and was extremely frustrated by it.

>> i think people in this administration are very concerned about what the world thinks of us where as i believe they are supposed to be running this country to protect ourselves and to do the right thing for our country and our citizens. >> the longs will be in the courtroom, which is about 30 yards from where i'm standing and will be in the same room as the 9/11 speerts. they said the reason they want to come here is to see how it, o works. martha: a deadly plane crash in iran. a caspian airliner takes off and 16 minutes later it crashes into a fair to ball into a field and that's all that's left is the wreckage of this russian-made plane. there were 168 people aboard

and no survivors in this crash. witnesses could not believe what they were seeing. >> we were really -- i was about 300 meters away. my brother in law was only about 20 meters or so away and the aircraft all of a sudden fell out of the sky and exploded on impact. martha: terrible tragedy. let's go to amy kellogg. we're finding out what happened from our london bureau. dramatic pictures from that crash scene. any clues about why this happened? >> not of yet. my sense is even those who don't have any connection to the people onboard the plane are quite traumatizes. it's been a tumultuous time and plays to the fears that many iranians have about aviation

safety in their country. a lot of iranians are frightened of taking these planes and feel they are not maintained to the standard they should be. many of them are old and one of the reasons of course that iranians buy these planes is because of sanctions. they have difficulty getting replacement parts and u.s. aircrafts so that said, certainly there are a lot of ways around the sanctions, and you hear stories of boeing parts being sold on the black market. but an aviation expert said it's not so much the old russian planes or the fact that the it is not a good plane. it's really that a lot of these planes are a third generation and the planes most other countries are using is fourth and fifth generation so there's a lack of compatibility and how iranian aviation maintains its planes and a lot of it is not

computerized as well as this expert i spoke to who said there's a real disconnect between the iranian system and again, martha, no clues as to what happened. this was a joint iranian airline, caspian airline, which doesn't have a bad safety record, but it was a very dramatic crash. as we see in the video, many pieces, very heartbreaking. martha: very horrible, thank you amy. trace: and now kim jong-il touring a factory. he looks thin, but it doesn't offer many other thoughts in into his health. south korea keeping a very close eye on his health. analysts there worried about a power struggle in the nuclear

armed nation when kim dies. martha: well many presidents relied on them. putting more than 30 czars in fact in charge of things like health care and the auto industry, vital sectors of the industry but unlike cabinet secretaries, these czars don't need senate confirmation. some are calling it an unconstitutional power grabby the white house and a motorcycle driver did you see this in maryland tries to outrun a police chopper. see what happens when he tries to get away by ditching his bike. ?7

trace: well, that's videotape or live? that's videotape of the astronauts getting into the arrest strow van. they are making their way back to the shuttle. they've done this, oh, five times before. they are hoping to get a flight into space. the launch time tonight is 6:00 east coast time but as always the weather is ify down there. there's word that now depending on that window, it could be like 50%. phil keating says it's windy and rainy there now. if it doesn't go tonight. it will go tomorrow. if not tomorrow, july 25 is the next opportunity to launch the space shuttle endeavor. martha: yes. everything has to be lined up

just right. then you lose that window and move to the next round so we hope you have a successful flight. in the top box her back in action. senator arlen specter is the one questioning judge sotomayor who wants to be a supreme court justice. we're keeping an eye on that. if it gets fiery we'll tyke you back there. in the middle box governor mark sanford has cleared his schedule to take a personal trip with his wife three weeks after announcing an extramarital affair with an argentinian woman he wants to fall back in love with his wife and the mother of his sons. >> and then hillary clinton the secretary of state announced she will be visiting pakistan this fall. a lot to talk about how in and out of the limelight hillary clinton is right now.

so we'll see if that serves to elevate at least her public image in the work she's doing in the state department. and now caught on tape, the police in baltimore are pulling a motorcyclist over for driving without tags but he takes off. this is from a chopper. officers on the ground decided they were not going to follow him because it was a minor offense but then he tried to get away on foot, ditching the bike. he's running around on foot and finally he gives up and the officer throws himself right on top of him -- [laughter] trace: he's still on the run? martha: no. he's running around in circles. he couldn't figure out where to go. he was exhausted and the police officer literally landed on top of him on the ground.

>> oh. trace: well, thousands of victims losing $7 million in a scheme allegedly run by stanford. the judge says he wants to hear from the victims in the hearing next month before he signs off on a plea agreement meanwhile auctioneers are beginning to sell off his many properties. the fox business network adam shapiro has an inside look at that office. adam? >> well, how does marble and mahogany sound to you? because the building is on the auction block along with all the other stanford properties. if you're wondering with some of that $7.2 billion that was allegedly stolen by mr. stanford and his company, if you're wondering where that money went, come on inside with me. >> one of the first things you see when you come into the

lobby, you see this, hard work, clear vision, value for the client. >> but what the client didn't know is that the lawyer told fox business the other day that from the very beginning this entire financial empire was a fraud. >> alan sanford's office is right here behind these mahogany doors. come with me. this was san foresanford's control area. this is a conference table and you can't see a whole lot because of the boxes but it's all mahogany. check this out. this is green italian marble. top of the line marble according to real tores. he was such a fan of cricket and you've got this incredibly huge carpet. rugs like this can cost anywhere close to $100,000. but look at the floor. it's a ma hogfully floor and talk about this inlay.

they talk about him having a truly op lieutenant office. this is the fourth floor of the building. there are people in houston who tell you this building is over the top and this staircase is an example of that. this is a fully functional professional commercial kitchen. check out the wine so after a nice meal maybe a glass of wine. the guests were brought into this media room and this is a projector with a screen and they would watch d.v.d.'s in which they were sold the c.d.'s, the certificates of deposit and after all that they would sign their checks and buy their kd's and it was over. their cd's and it was over. >> so everything is on the auction block. the furniture, the rugs and

even the wine. but it's so hot, 100 degrees in houston. trace: great. martha: so i just want to say the guy that the motorcycle guy, trace was right and i was wrong. they did not get that guy. that guy got away. it was a different video where the policeman threw himself on the guy. trace: we've covered a million of these things and we've never seen the guy get away. so this guy is walking around like ha, that was me on that bike. martha: yes. worth pointing out. and articlen specter now the last before al franken, the new guy, and he's questioning so we'll show you that when we come back. @mfmfhnp0x

trace: 23 minutes past the hour. their numbers are large and yes they are in charge. president obama already named 3 the czars to oversee everything from the stimulus package to executive pay. makeup of that work would otherwise fall to cabinet secretaries but czars, they don't have to be confirmed by the senate so where are the checks and balances and is this whole czar system constitutional? do they violate article two of the constitution which gives the senate power to advise and execute nominations? >> well, at least one republican thinks so and he'll be introducing legislation.

the dean of the legislative branch is concerned, he wrote a letter saying his czars may eat into the power of congress but one says there is no violation of the constitution. he says the czars don't have budget authority and not much in the way of staffs. >> it's not just that they have no budget authority. they only have whatever power they can get because they are up close and personal with the president. so largely they are there to try to get the departments of government to work together. they are not there primarily to get more or less money out of the congress. >> so what we're dealing with here is a political issue with a democratic president and republicans worried about lieu sing even more of their already minority status. trace: do all the critics

endorse the constitutional issue? >> no. in fact susan cowan says the bigger issue is transparency. she stays president promiseed the most transparency the most trance parent administration. and when the czar's don't have transparency if the president believes the structure isn't adequate to cross boundary issues like the budget and health care the president and congress should change it, but the last time that was tried was in the nixon administration and congress bitterly fallingt back still less than a 12 of the stars report -- trace: wendell goler live in d.c. thank you, wendell.

martha: as we mentioned, articlen specter is the one doing the questioning right now of the woman who wants to be the next justice on the supreme court. sonia sotomayor. bret baier and megyn kelly who have been covering these hearings, you know, so far what are you hearing from articlen specter, megyn? megyn: exactly what i said before, focusing on abortion rights trying to get her to say row v way is a roe v. wade is a super duper -- to which she said i never use the word super. but now the governing law and then he did he also folksed on the wise latina remark she made and this is a guy who was a republican for almost all his life and now switched over to

the democrat and said i got to say i think people are making a mountain out of a mow hill and any justice that had a minority status or the women have talked about their experience and how it affects them and this is much adieu about nothing so he sort of pooh-poohed the whole issue and now on to the balance of power, which is a bit of a yawn. bret: and obviously he's in a different position right now. makeup farther down in the commee hearing room as he is now a democrat. he was expecting more seniorty as he made this transition from republican to democrat. remember he used to be the chair of this committee. you never really know what senator specter is going to ask about. you would expect he would be easy on sonia sotomayor in that he is up for re-election and this time as a democrat in

pennsylvania so it's interesting to watch him in action. why don't we listen in a little bit if we could to his questioning of sotomayor. >> in response to congress' factual findings that my cases and my approach in my cases reflect that. i've had any number of cases where the question was deference to the findings and is there anything the senate or congress can do if a nominee says one thing seated that the table and does something exactly the opposite once they walk across? >> that is one of the beauties of our constitutional system, which is -- >> duty in the eyes of the beholder is the only constitutional avenue. >> well, the only advantage you have in my case is that i have a 17-year record that i think

demonstrates how i approach the law and the deference or deference i give to the other branches of government. >> i think your record is exemplary, judge sotomayor, exemplary. not commenting about your answers but your record is exemplary. [laughter] let me -- and you'll be judged more on your record than on your answers, judge sotomayor, and for those who are initiating your preparation appropriately is very careful. they call them murder boards at the white house. i don't know what you did and i'm not asking. we've had a lot of commentary and youed toed the questions and you studied the answers and your qualification is terrific in acorns with the precedence.

you're following the precedence there very closely. let me move to television in the courts. and it's a question that many of us are interested in. i always ask. i've introduced legislation twice, come out of committee twice to require the court to televise. court doesn't have to listen to congress. the court can say separate powers concludes our saying negative -- procedural jurisdiction we decide the court convenience the first monday the october and decide there's nine justices, tried to make it 15 one time six for a/4 rum, speedy trial telling the courts how they have to move at a certain speed on time, and

justice stevens has said that it's worth a try. justice ginsburg at one time said if it was gavel-to-gavel, it would be fine. justice kennedy said it was inevitable. the record of the justices appearing on television is extensive. chief justice roberts and stevens were on prime time, abc. justice ginsburg on fox news and so forth down the line. we all know that they -- the senate and house are televised, and we all know the tremendous, tremendous interest in your nominating process. and it happens all the time. there's a lot of pub police car least accountable. in fact, you might say the court is unaccountable.

when the bush versus gore was decided, then senator biden and i wrote chief justice. chief justice renquist asking that television be permitted and we got back a prompt answer no? and the trucks were just enormous all other the place. the supreme court decides all the cutting-edge questions of the day. right woman to choose abortion, death penalty, organized crime. every cutting edge question. and bush versus gore was probably the biggest or one of the biggest cases, arguably, the biggest case. more than 100 million people vote indeed that election and the presidency was decided by one vote. and justice scalia had this to

say about irreparable harm. the counting of votes that of questionable legality, does in my view, threaten irreparable harm to -- referring to president bush or candidate bush, and the country by casting a cloud upon what he claims to be at the la jit -- legitimacy. permiting the court to proceed on that irerroneous basis would prevent an actual recounty to be conducted. hard to understand which recounty there will be. i i rote at the time saying i thought it was an atrocious accounting of irreparable harm

hard to calculate. and my question, judge sotomayor, shouldn't the american people have access to what is happening in the supreme court? trying to understand it? to have ack tess -- access by way of their activities when they adjourn in june and reconvene this year in september. wouldn't it be more appropriate in a democracy to let the people take a look inside the court through -- that it wasn't the accuser who had the right to -- television is really paramount. why not televise the court. >> as you know, when there have

been options were me to and as i said to you when we met, senator, i will certainly relay those positive experiences if i could be there to discuss et with my colleagues. and that question is an important one, obviously. there's legislation being considered both by or has been considered by congress at various times, and there's much discussion between the branches on that that issue. it is an ongoing dialogue. it is important to remember that the court, because of this issue -- if i'm accurate now, it used to take a long time for them to make those transcripts available, and now they do it before the end of the day.

it's an skwlon going process of discussion. >> thank you, judge sotomayor. thank you, mr. chairman. >> senator specter and the last of our -- this round of questioning be senator frank en. i didn't officially welcome you but welcome to the committee. i offer you congratulations and condolences at the same time. >> i'll take one with graduation. >> ok. well, that was most heart felt. i'm glad you're here. please ba i and thank you judge sotomayor for sitting here so patiently and all your thoughtful answers throughout the hearing. before lunch our senior senator from minnesota, amy asked you why you became a prosecutor. and you mentioned perry mason.

i was a big fan of perry mason. i watched perry mason every week with my dad and my mom and my brother. and we'd watch the clock and know when it was two minutes until half how far that the real murderer would stand up and confess. it was a great show. [laughter] >> and it amazes me that you wanted to become a prosecutor based on that show, because in perry mason, the prosecutor, berger, lost every week. with one exception which we'll get to later. [laughter] >> but i think that says something about your determination to defy the odds. and while you were watching perry mason, in the south bronx, with your mom and your

brother, and i was watching perry mason in suburban minneapolis with my folks and my brother. and here we are today. and i'm -- i'm asking you questions because you have been nominated to be a justice of the united states supreme court. i think that's pretty cool. as i said in my opening statement, i see these proceedings both as a way to take judgment of you and the many nominees suitibility for the high court. but also for americans to learn about this t course and the impact on their lives. right now people are getting more and more of their information on at any internet. getting newspapers, television,

blogs, radio -- americans are getting all of it online. it plays a central role in our democracy by allowing anyone with a computer connected to the internet to publish their quads, their thoughts, their opinions and reach a worldwide audience of hundreds of millions of people in seconds. this is free speech. and this is essential to our democracy and to democracy. we saw this in iran. not long ago. now judge, you're familiar with the supreme court's 2005 brand x decision, are you? >> i am. >> well then you know that brand x deregulated internet access services to allow internet providers to act as

and it had to pitn't teenager in fact we've already seen examples of these companies blocking access to the web and discriminating on certain uses of the web. this threatens to undermine the testimony let's say you're living in duluth, minnesota, and you only have one internet service divider. the big megacorporation and not only are they the only internet service provider but they are also a content as far. they own newspapers. they own or network. they have a movie studio. they decide to speed up their own content and slow down other content.

the brand x decision by the supreme court allows home the do this. and this is not just duluth. it's morehead minnesota. it's youngs down, ohio. it's der and yes, new york. this is frightening. frightening to me and to millions of my constituents. or lots of my con constituents. internet connections use public resources. the public airways that seff -- a compelling interest in first amendment interests in ensuring this can't happen and that the internet stays open and accessible, in other words,

that the internet stays the internet. >> many describe the telephone as a revolution narrow invention. and it did change our country dramatically. so did television. and its regulation of television and the thrules would apply to it considered by congress and it's because congress is the policy chooser on how items if he -- that's how they operate. and that issue was reviewed by the courts and the context of the policy choices congress made. there is no question in my mind as a citizen, that the internet

has revolutionized communications in the united states. and there's no question that access to that is a question that society is -- that our citizens as well as yourself are concerned about. but the role of the court is never to make the policy. tots wait until congress acts. and then to determine what congress has done in its constitution alty in light of that ruling. brand x, as i understood it. it was a question of which government agency would regulate those providers? and the court looking at congress' in these two areas determined hit that thought it

fit in one box and not the other. one agency instead of another. >> is this title i and title ii or as i understand it title ii is very -- it's subject to a lot of regulation and title i isn't. >> exactly, but the question was not so much stronger regulation or not stronger regulation. it was which set of regulation, given congress' choice, controlled. obviously, congress may think that the regulations the court has in its holding interpretted congress' intent and that congress thinks the court got it wrong, we're talking about statutory interpretation and congress' ability to alter the court's understanding by amending the statute if it chooses. this is not to say that i

minimize the concerns you express. access to internet given its importance in everything today those businesses depend on it. most of their businesses define -- the children in my life virtually live on it now, and so it's important. i mean me indicates a lot of freedom with respect to wropt rights, government regulation. there's just so many issues that get yes indicated brie the internet that what the court can do is not choose the policy but interpret each statute and try to figure out what congress intends. >> i understand that. but isn't there a compelling first amendment right here for people, no matter what congress does, and i would urge my colleagues to take this up and write legislation that i would

like. but isn't there a compelling, overriding first amendment right here for americans to have access to the internet? >> right by accord and not looked at as overriding in the sense that i think a citizen and dr. -- should this go first or a competing right go second? rights are rights and how the court looks at it is how congress balances those rights and judges whether that balance is within constitutional boundaries. holding one more compelling than the other suggests there's sort of you know property interests are less important than first amendment interests. that's not the comparison a court makes.

and then we'll be look at that and see if it's constitutional. >> ok. so we have some work to do on this. bret: judge sotomayor as she has not taken a firm position on questions asked by the newest senator, al frank en. he started his questioning by saying it's pretty cool that both of them watched perry mason as they were -- this wraps up our special coverage of judge sotomayor's confirmation hearings. we will bring more to you from the hearing room. martha: and you've been seeing the hearings every morning with me and bret here you can catch

the regular program tomorrow afternoon. bret baier will have more for you on "special report." it's been a pleasure working with you here. brian: thank you. we'll have e -- and our report with shep. trace: while we were listening to the hearings, the astronauts just about to get aboard the space shuttle endeavor. they are now in their suits and will get onboard for the sixth time. the flight has been scrubbed a number of times because of weather and technical problems. 6:03 at the beginning of "special report" we will have live coverage of the shuttle endeavor launch. fit doesn't go tonight. it will go to remember tomorrow. martha: it's going to go tonight. trace: if not tomorrow then

july 25 is the next shot for the space shuttle endeavor. they are just looking for an opening in the clouds. we'll be watching that. and in the meantime the buzz -- is she putting any daylight between herself and the president? we'll see. . om a legal settlemen or annuity over 10 or even 20 years? call imperial structured settlements. the experts at imperial can convert your long-term payout into a lump sum of cash today.

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>> secretary of state hillary clinton is about to meet with president obama. she will head off to asia. the buzz on the beltway is that the secretary of state has ban backburner add bit. it didn't help matters that an elbow injury put her out of commission for two big trips including one to russia. now she is back and delivering a major

speech at the council on foreign relations in new york, stressing the need for international cooperation. listen to this. >> we will exercise american leadership to overcome what foreign policy experts at places like the council call collective action problems, and what i call obstacles to cooperation. no nation can meet these challenges alone. no challenge can be met without america. >> no challenge can be met without america, she said. meter maragini was an advisor to the clinton-gore campaigns and byron rowe was advisor to the mitt romney campaign. welcome both of you. i want to bring up something that tina brown wrote. she says "hillary finds herself in a familiar bind with a different twist. if she allows daylight between herself and the president, she becomes the kind of lame duck that colin powell became once foreign powers that he was nowhere near bush's inner circle. it becomes clearer by the day how brilliantly obama checkmateed both clintons by

putting hillary in the top most cabinet job. " peter, do you agree? >> well, i wouldn't say it was that conspiratorial that he checkmateed the clintons by doing it. i think it was a wise decision, because hillary clinton does have a breath of experience working within the clinton administration, and was on a lot of foreign trips and brings that to this job. i think that she is a forceful advocate, very outspoken, i think can carry the message of the administration forward. i think she was hung up with a couple weeks with an injury and now she is back in action. >> jason, what do you think? was this a brilliant checkmate making her secretary of state after the contentious campaign they boat went through? >> well, i think it is much better for the obama administration to have a hillary clinton somewhat muzzleed by being in obama's cabinet rather than having hillary clinton in the united states senate as a critic. the reality is i don't think this was a motivated thing

specifically to shelf hillary clinton. i think it is part of an agenda that you can see across his cabinet, and that is creating all of these special envoys and czars that dilute the power of the cabinet. just in her case, in particular, you know, the four big hot spots around the world, right now you have high level special envoys, senator mitchell in israel and palestine. >> a lot of these people that have been appointed may be undercutting her influence in some of these places, depending on who grabs the power. i want to play one more sound byte because we are short of time, but this is from today and i wanted to get your reaction to it. >> the choice is clear. we remain ready to engage with iran, but the time for action is now. the opportunity will not remain open indefinitely. >> she is basically saying the opportunity is now in iran. in 15 seconds each, jason, you go first. is she taking a stronger stance

against iran than the president? >> well, she's starting to sound like the third bush administration. she is the hawk in the administration, and i think she recognizes her relevance may well be defined by her being more of a hawk within the administration than the rest of the foreign policy team. >> peter, two seconds. i'm sorry. >> well, i don't necessarily believe that she is a hawk within the administration. i think she is following the policies of the administration. she advocated for richard holbrooke who is in pakistan. that was her choice. >> thank you very much, gentlemen. pleasure to have you both with us. trace: meantime, there are stunning new developments in the murder of the wealthy florida couple with the 17 kids. next. go lean for breakfast, you'll also have to add all these vitamins and minerals... to get what you need every day. or... just eat total.

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