now. and video of michael jackson's hair catching fire. this could be the thing that led to the addiction problems to pills. this is where it all began. "fox & friends." chuck norris watches this show. that's all you need to know. >> it's one small step for man, one final fleet for mankind. steve: very good. clayton: that's new audio. steve: streaming live audio. gretchen: 40 years old. steve: today apparently nasa will be replaying the audio portion of the famous apollo 11. i think things kick off in about an hour and 30 minutes from right now. it's big landmark weekend. gretchen: 40 years ago that they landed on the moon. in the meantime, let's welcome clayton in for brian today and get to the headlines for your thursday because this morning supreme court nominee sonia

sotomayor faces her final day of questioning on capitol hill. connecticut firefighter frank ricci will take the stand. ricci had that racial discrimination case rejected by sotomayor. she upheld the decision to throw out the exam which was overturned by the u.s. supreme court. yesterday sotomayor would not define her views on abortion as well. listen. >> i can't answer that in the abstract because the question -- it would come -- as it would come before me wouldn't be -- in the way that you form it, as a citizen, it would come to me as a judge in the context of some action that someone's taking. gretchen: a vote by the full senate to confirm sotomayor is expected in early august. after being grounded for one month due to leaks and dangerous weather shuttle endeavor lifts off. >> one. booster ignition and lift off of

endeavor, completing and fulfilling japan's hope for a an-of-this world space laboratory. gipp and one of the astronaut's moms predicted endeavor would launch. >> today i talked to him and said, david, you're going to go today, the bad weather's moving out. he yelled to the crew, "mom says we're going." [laughing] gretchen: you wouldn't know from watching that but there was a problem with the launch. nasa says pieces of foam insulation flew off the fuel tank during liftoff. engineers will be studying footage to see the extent of the damage. a two-mile stretch of highway in detroit is shut down this morning after a massive explosion. look at this video. a tanker carrying 13,000-gallons of gas erupted into a fireball, collapsing part of an overpass. another look at the fiery scene comes from a witness who took this video with a cell phone. amazingly no one seriously hurt,

not even the driver of the tanker. police are now looking for at least one more suspect in that deadly break-in that left that florida couple dead. the surveillance footage helped lead police to some of the suspects but the criminal apparently made a huge mistake. >> the one gaping hole that would not have made in a perfect operation, if you will, was the fact that the security system, surveillance system, was not disabled. so it begs the question, why was it not? gretchen: yesterday 47-year-old pamela wiggins was charged as an accessory after the fact to felony murder. she's a real estate agent in the area, apparently well-known. seven others are also charged in the shooting deaths of the billings who adopted 13 special needs children. the sheriff joins us with the latest information live next hour. the boy wizard strikes back at the box office. gold again. "harry potter" fans across the country lined up for the midnight premiere.

it brought in $22.2 million. this is the sixth installment in the series. "half blood" breaks the $18.5 million midnight record held by last year's smash "the dark knight." steve, you had an attack of laughter. were you laugh -- was that a funny film? steve: i saw the film. took my daughter to the american premiere over at the dig field last week. it's a very good movie. if you like "harry potter," you'll love it. clayton: you didn't go to the midnight showing the other night? gretchen: decided to pull a all-nighter. kids do that after you get to my age, you young whipper snapper you. steve: let's talk about the whipper snappers on capitol hill. they cooked up a 1,015 page health care reform bill. meanwhile, on the u.s. senate side they have cooked up a slimmed down bill that is only 615 pages. now, we've told you a little bit about what the house has in store for america's most successful. but now apparently according to

sources and people in the know apparently the senate is going to take aim to pay for this big thing, at the insurance companies. they say, you know what, they made so much money through the years we're going to tax them or levy a special fee to drum up, perhaps, $100 billion, maybe $300 billion. sky's the limit. they haven't worked out the kinks yet. clayton: of course, we heard it could jump to $1.2 trillion and the house version could specifically tax those making $350,000 or more and that 5.4% tax on income above $1 million. and one person describing the -- the "u.s. news & world report" describing it as a 14-year-old boy's bedroom, an absolute mess. gretchen: as i was stating yesterday if you're a republican, i don't think you need to even delve into the mess. you just know you're not going to vote for it. because these amazing tax that would now be accumulating

against the people who have been successful in this country would be well over 50%. i think in most of the states now people in a certain income bracket would be paying over 50% for the first time since 1986? is that correct? steve: 39 states. gretchen: 39 states. that's an amazing thing. but here is the real victim, potentially, of this health care reform. that is the small business owner. these are people who have been lobbying for the last couple of months saying, what about the bailout for us? yeah, the banks, the car industry, but what about small business? they are going to be hit potentially with this health care reform. if they don't offer health care to their employees, an 8% penalty on them. clayton: the outrage on capitol hill yesterday talking about how this could affect the economy at large. take a listen to some republicans yesterday. >> who's going to pay for all of this? it's clear in their bill who is paying for this are the small businessmen and women. >> this is taking health care in a direction i think no american

wants to see. >> better solutions, looking at the patient to make the decision not government. >> the proposal by house democrats amounts to a government takeover of our health care economy. >> and there's the president who wants to ram this through before the senators and congressmen take their summer vacation coming up very shortly. here's the thing, charlie reng yell, who is -- rengal said the reason they targeted high earners is because "it causes the least amount of pain on the least amount of people." charlie, the problem is you are creating pain for the people who create jobs in this country. and so many of those small businessmen and apparently two of three jobs in america come from small businesses, they pay their taxes, their business taxes, on their individual income return forms so that's the problem. and for new yorkers, some new

yorkers will face a top marginal tax rate of 58.6%. 60%! in other words, every other day when you go to work at least you're working for the government to pay taxes. clayton: and the success for president obama in all of this so far has been going after those moderate democrats. those are the people that hillary clinton failed to get the first time around. and now, though, these moderate democrats on the fence waffling. so what does the president do? rolls out a tv ad. take a look. >> my son has cerebral palsy and epilepsy. he's 4. >> when i lost my job, i lost my health insurance, too. >> my insurance company wouldn't fully cover me. gretchen: who's not going to look at those ads and say, yes, i feel sorry for these people. that's the whole point of a good ad, that has an effect on people's emotions. but i think a lot of people need to take the emotions out of this argument and break out the calculator, then the checkbook

because this thing is now ove over $1.5 trillion. again, we can show you the flow charts. i don't think that this really expansive one that they put out yesterday -- steve: we got a graphic. gretchen: you don't even knee this thing. all you need is the calculator and checkbook and hope you have a lot of dough in it. steve: keep in mind we told you the house bill is over 1,000 pages and the senate bill is over 600. way up at the top, that little rectangle, that's the president. on the other side you've got the congress. it's just this crazy flow chart. the republican party put this out to explain, hey, this is what's going to happen. does that look like it's going to work? ultimately one of our graphic artists put together -- forget about this flow chart. this is what is actually happening. as you can see, uncle sam is shaking you down. that's all your money coming right out of your pocket. clayton: that's how you easily break it down. that first web chart looked like something from the 1950's, the

industrial graphic that we used to watch in class. like the human body consumes this amount of food and moves through this pipe. gretchen: if it was that tough, i never have been able to pass the class. hopefully you can wrap your head around this situation and decide which side do you fall on. because a lot of this also comes down to choice and whether or not you're going to have personal choice about the doctors that you want to go see and the insurance company that you want to have. steve: because that is not guaranteed in either two of the bills. regarding that tv commercial, that just goes to show you since the obama -- essentially the campaign is rolling those out in senate districts and also house districts where there are some waiverring moderate democrats. the republicans are not the problem. it's the democrats that are the problem for the president. clayton: you're absolutely right if you're a politician these days, the best place to go perhaps not the media but to write an op-ed piece to get out your message. steve: no filter. clayton: that's what john wu

has done. he was a former defense department official under the bush administration. he's written a piece in the "wall street journal" this morning talking about -- because he's come under attack about why in the world congress was not informed of these warrantless wiretaps. we know now under the bush administration, at least it's alleged, that the bush administration cast a wider net than was originally reported. of course, john wu coming out now and defending himself in this whole thing. gretchen: basically saying that none of the inspectors general, of the five leading national security agencies, would have proved some -- would approve some of this wiretapping the bad bad wanted to do but his argument goes to this point. that maybe in cases of the war on terror the old laws during the cold war that were developed, fisa and these types of things where you had to have probable cause to get these warrants to listen in on to a phone conversation or to look at an e-mail, possibly the war on terror changed those particular laws and the ways in which we can fight this war because terrorists not readibly available to us. we don't know who they are so

maybe we need to look at this communication to see who they are. steve: and mr. wu does a good job about talking historically, f.d.r., a year before pearl harbor said, ok, you saw the means we have to intercept any sort of electronic information about foreign entity that are trying to do us in. and this all goes back to -- just remember, get in the time machine, go back to those days after 9/11. we realized it was al qaeda. but the intelligence community realized we don't know much about al qaeda so pretty quickly at the n.s.a. they said, ok, there's one way we can do it, we can intercept e-mails, cell phone transmissions between afghanistan, pakistan and the united states. we're still talking about foreign entities. and as has historically been the case that has been backed up by law that the president can do stuff to protect this nation. clayton: when you're in war, extreme measures. e-mail us. coming up, 20 is a malley-americans leave the u.s.

for somalia to train terrorists and kill americans that live here in the united states. at least one of them became a suicide bomber. next, we're going to talk to a man who knew that terrorist very well and what he will reveal is stunning this morning. gretchen: then kicking out god. a group that wants the words "in god we trust" removed from the visitors center of the neation's capitol. i don't even think they're there yet. they don't want them to go up. but isn't "in god we trust "oin our money? it was last time i checked. steve: plus, we are live from the columbus zoo and aquarium. jack hannah will be joining us. they got some new stuff to show us. you'll see the first bit in 15 minutes. 20-30 times a day. now joint comfort is easier with new triple flex liquid softgels. the first liquid softgel joint supplement formulated to work in as little as 7 days. learn more at tripleflex.com.

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gretchen: a plane nose dives into the ground and an airport narrowing missing three buildings. three pemed died. there are reports a flight instructor was onboard and the plane may have been practicing takeoffs and landings. this arizona woman has been convicted of disturbing the peace because of her barking dog. several neighbors testified in the hearing on monday. they said that her two dogs bark insays yantdly -- incessantly, sometimes up to seven and a half hours. she's appealing. steve: in god we trust. is it an unconstitutional endorsement of religion or a motto properly displayed on government buildings? you can see "in god we trust" in the u.s. house of representatives. a lawsuit has been filed to keep "in god we trust" from being engraved on the capitol visitors' center that just hopped in washington, d.c. it's the entrance for tourists visiting the u.s. capitol. dan barker is co-president of

the freedom firm religion funnization. and colby may, senior attorney at the american center. guys, thanks for joining us. >> good morning. >> thanks for having us. steve: dan, let's start with you. you can see "in god we trust" in the supreme court, in the u.s. house, throughout congress. why should it not be in the capitol visitors' center? >> that motto that says "in god we trust" but there are millions, tens of millions of really good americans who don't believe in a god. so how in the world can a secular democracy be dictating the private religious views of its citizens? that should not be on our money. it should not be in the capitol. it should not be displayed on any government property. private citizens are free. private citizens are free to pro note themselves but we are a secular, pluralistic democratic nation.

steve: and in fact your organization is trying to scrub god off the money and off buildings and all sorts of places. colby, why do you think he is wrong? >> well, i think it's pretty clear and the lower courts have ruled almost universally for the last 40 years that inspirational patriotism is not the same as religious exercise. so things like the national motto, under god in the "pledge of allegiance." all of these references are appropriate in the context of recognizing a kind of inspirational patriotism and they are not in violation of the establishment clause. so this program continues to try and eliminate all references to god in the country. but, in fact, the courts have sustained it as being appropriate. steve: dan a 20-second rebuttal. >> the program is the other direction. in god we trust is not on the architecture of that visitors' center. it is religious right legislators trying to force their private religious views on the rest of us by inserting and

intruding that religious freedom it does not represent all americans. if it would be wrong to exclude and offend jews why it is right to exclude and offend atheists? america is a pluralistic, secular government. steve: colby, the final word on this. >> well, the idea that the offended observer will have standing to automatically go into court and now demand that one of our national places, make sure it doesn't have the national motto that's been around since the war of 1812 essentially is rather surprising. think most americans recognize it as being a kind of inspirational patriotism and not religious exercise. steve: we are talking about putting up a motto at a visitors' center where as you go into the capitol, you wind up seeing it all over the walls. thank you for joining us live today. meanwhile, never before seen video just released of an infamous pepsi commercial where michael jackson's hair caught on fire. why it's the moment that perhaps

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gretchen: so last night on "the jimmy kimmell show" i'm actually surprised. a comedian took a hit at president barack obama. not specifically at his policies but at his pants. steve: the president's pants? yesterday on this show we were talking about the pitch he had at the all-star game. but will you look at the attire that our president wore? jimmy thought it was odd. >> barack obama threw out first pitch at the baseball all-star game last night. i know the president is busy, but he really needs a personal shopper. once again, obama appeared in public in a pair of heavily

starched stone-washed jeans with a big crease down the front of them. like his mom had ironed them or something. already his opponents on the right are taking the task for it. >> in tough times america needs a strong leader. a leader who wears real pants. barack obama wears bingo jeans, the kind of jeans your mother wears. man up, mr. president, and lose the brack omama jeans. we need a president who dresses like this guy. americans who wear normal pants. gretchen: that was funny. hillary clinton's pantsuit. the thing is, i have to say, as a woman, it was one of the first things that i noticed when he went out to get on the mound. he has a great physique. he has a great physique, president. show it off.

clayton: the "saturday night live" sketch about the mom jeans. hopefully my dad is not awake at this hour. they look kind of like my dad's jeans. my dad's not wearing diesel jeans. gretchen: my dad at 75 looks better in his jeans. more hip. sorry, barack. steve: barack's wife has a fantastic fashion sense. she should be picking out his pants. gretchen: exactly. very good point. he needs to get ones that are a little tighter. steve: what should the president of the united states had been wearing when he threw out first pitch? forget about the fact that he was wearing a white sox jacket. it looked a little partisan on that. what pantwise would you have suggested? clayton: tracy suggests he should have worn some spandex. gretchen: that would have been crossing the line in the other direction. twitter us. i'm going to post the question right now. coming up, the never-before-seen video of michael jackson's hair. watch this. catching on fire.

why it may have changed his life forever for the worst. there it is. clayton: it looks like a special effect. his head was on fire. then what is going on on our rails? a train worker caught playing a game when he should have been taking care of passenger safety that picture from the "boston herald." plus all morning long we are live at the columbus zoo in ohio with none other than than "jungle" jack hannah. steve: happy birthday, will ferrell. you are 42. 42 candles on your cake. there he is appearing as george bush at a broadway theater next to our building. taking its rightful place

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barrier went up around the west bank, it became a prime target for a form of political protest as old as paint. graffiti. that rebellion has limitations. you have to be there to post or witness. and like so much of life, the worldwide web has changed that. through a dutch website called sendamessage, a remote rebel can jump online, pay $50, type a message, then a palestinian sprays it on the wall and photos give you the proof. now miles of that wall that separates israelis fro israelism palestinians has been tagged with more than a thousand messages by approximate ok with. the messages end up in two categories, either political -- "mr. netanyahu, tear down this wall!" or uniquely personal. "anab., i am finally over you. care to meet for coffee?" the profit goes to palestinianon social projects, volunteers.

>> it is a stance. but it's my way of resisting. i cannot stand in palestinian territory and throw things, stones, whatever. but who would know about it. >> the guys at sendamessage do exercise editorial control. they won't post anything that incites violence, won't post anything dirty and won't post anything that supports israel. you only get the palestinian side on the palestinian side of the wall. gretchen? gretchen: thanks very much for bringing us that artistic-looking story. steve: mike, how would you feel about going up there and putting our name an on the wall? would that be ok or as a journalist could you not doing that? >> aren't you taking a side then, you're crossing that fine line. if you paint on the wall, that's engaging in graffiti, that's protest, you're picking a side. i think as a fierce objective journalist, we can't do that. steve: what about just "watch "fox & friends" 6:00 a.m.

eastern?" it's more of a commercial endorsement. >> here i don't know that your viewership is that great. but if i get a spray can, i'll put your name up there. steve: mike tobin at the wall. we thank you very much. clayton: they have to put 1:00 p.m. gretchen: exactly. they can watch us in israel. it's an afternoon coffee show for them over there. a routine traffic stop turns deadly just two blocks from the u.s. capitol. the driver took off hitting officers with his car along the way, even driving the wrong way on one-way streets. when he finally crashed he pulled a gun on police and that's when they, unfortunately had to shoot him dead. >> through the intersection. i started running up. that's when i heard the gun shots. i just heard -- they sounded like firecrackers. pop, pop, pop, pop. a little pause. and then there was a whole bunch more. gretchen: no one else was seriously hurt in this event. steve: we are learning this morning the secret c.i.a. proposal to kill al qaeda leaders was almost terminated

itself in 2004. according to intelligence officials george tenet, then c.i.a. director, terminated the plan because of practical details. but the proposal was given new life one year later by porter goss who replaced tenet. but by the time current director leon panetta took over and officially ended it the proposal was already dying over practical challenges. intelligence sources say more than $1 million was spent on the hit team initiative to kill al qaeda leaders. clayton: secretary of state hillary clinton heads to india to strengthen ties. a trip after she warned iran to accept the white house's offer for engagement or continue down a path of isolation. secretary clinton defended u.s. policy towards iran. >> our willingness to talk is not a sign of weakness to be exploited. we will not hesitate to defend our friends, our interests, and above all our people vigorously

and when necessary with the world's strongest military. clayton: clinton says the opportunity for open talk won't be on the table forever and condemned iran's treatment of election protesters. gretchen? gretchen: a train attendant us is spebdzed after an angry rider snaps a photo of him playing a game. operator accused of playing sudoko while on the job? don't you have to concentrate for that? boston transit says he wasn't driving the train but was in charge of operating the doors. he's us is spendsed for three days held pay. in may 62 people were hurt when a train driver slammed into another train in boston. he was busy texting his girlfriend at the time. clayton: cover your screen. check this out. -- come to your screen and check this out. never-before-seen video that shows michael jackson's pepsi commercial. we've all heard about it. it gives a glimpse into what may have sparked his drug addiction. this video shows jackson's head catching on fire. a pyrotechnic going off too

early it appears jackson doesn't realize his hair is on fire. the pop star suffered third degree burns. his face, scalp all burned. rushed to the hospital. the video was obtained by "us weekly." gretchen: that was a scary event. let's check out our weather picture. steve: take a look. we've got a pretty substantial little thunderstorm moving through portions -- into the carolinas. it had progressed through the tennessee valley earlier. also a line of thunderstorms through portions of the central plains. it is dry for the most part in the northern plains and the southern plains. we a little cloud cover and a little rain through portions of the great new england states. meanwhile, the current temperatures, 71 in pittsburgh and throughout the ohio valley. 71, as well in kansas city. then through texas and along the gulf coast and desert southwest,

it's already feeling like a big nurse july. it is summerrish already. look at this. we've broken out the purple zone. it's going to be 109 today in phoenix, 102 north of the century mark in the dallas-fort worth metroplex area. and 97 in texas, brownsville. the northern plain, temperatures in the 70's and 80's for the most parted. 92 today in raleigh. and the greater area. it would be a good day to jump in the pool. gretchen: sounds good. that's what michael phelps is probably going to do. only one year since he won eight gold medals. michael phelps keeps on winning. he took home the espy award for best male athlete beating out tiger woods. overall a big night for olympians. a gold medalist took home the female athlete of the year honors. clayton: we love animals on this

show. we love when they run amok and when things crash and fall over. steve: it's funny. clayton: we have to get to "jungle" jack hannah. it's been named the number one zoo in america. this morning the director of the columbus zoo, our dear friend "jungle" jack hannah joins us. steve: now! now! clayton: now! good morning, jack. steve: jack, who were you yelling at off camera there? >> i'm just talking about my animals come out here. they start playing and stuff. steve: you want the animals to be brought out to you right now. you can hear one of the animal wranglers. these are not any animals. these are rescued animals. right, jack? >> over 100 dogs and cats. we got a train tore come to columbus. over 100 animals here, dogs, cats, little horses, llamas, rescued from rescue facilities. a lot of these dogs and cats are getting ready to be put to sleep. we give them a second chance at

life to become stars in the show. it's an incredible show. we have bearcats from asia, exotics, kangaroos, all working together with very very little human intervention. gretchen: this is so amazing. so many people are animal lovers, obviously. and their hearts break when they know these animals are going to be put down. did you come up with this idea? [laughing] the very highly energetic animals in this show. >> all highly energetic animals. it was an idea we had about four, five years ago when a very close friend of mine from columbus, shows at sea world, busch gardens. we said we need to show your show here. you teach people about the love of animals. look at these animals. imagine that. steve: turn around. look what's happening behind you. there's a jump roping dog. clayton: he's so used to that that's like his living room at home. >> no, it's not. these are all animals, remember, that were going to be put to

sleep. they have a second chance at life. we have a theeter that holds about 1,000 people. it's packed every day. just something different for a zoo logical park. see here? screwed the show up. clayton: that's unbelievable. among the animals, you have the cats, dogs. you have rats and pigs if there's one thing kids love to see on stage is rats. how do you train rats? >> it took six noes train one rat to go from over here to over there. i was going to show you the rat, but the cat -- no. gretchen: oh! >> just kidding. the rat goes across there and cross a rope it took six months to train that one rat. a kangaroo pumps up the flat tire. a dog urinates on the fire that's on the stage. gretchen: what does the pig do? >> tell me that's not something. i know what i a pig did to me

once. pig pulls a curtain and closes the show. the pig says the end with his bottom showing. the funniest thing you ever saw. clayton: it is a fantastic display. throughout the morning here we're going to be featuring jack hannah and things from the columbus zoo. well done. >> we got all kinds. baby elephant, all kinds of things come up. gretchen: i told my kids to make sure they were watching "fox & friends" this morning because their favorite guy jack was going to be on. we'll touch base in a little bit. clayton: i want to see that rat. steve: straight ahead. is there one man who could bring the republican party back to its former glory? we're going to tell who you is being hailed as the future of the g.o.p. it's a familiar name. gretchen: and we've been following the calculated double murder of a florida couple who spent their lives helping others. so where would the eight suspects in that case rank on a scale of evil? we'll talk to a forensic psychiatrist who studies the minds of criminals. something new is happening at ethan allen

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clayton: welcome back to "fox & friends." for decades g.i.'s have heard their sergeants tell them "smoke 'em if you got 'em." a ban not happening after all. the pentagon shot down the idea for now. the defense department is giving some thoughts to becoming tobacco-free in 20 years or so. well, twitter hacked for the third time this year. the hacker got into an employee's e-mail, possibly by guessing the password. the hacker then stole some of the company's confidential documents and claims to have employee salaries, credit card numbers, resumes and internal financial reports. steve, gretchen, i'm going to twit better that story right now. gretchen: all right. steve: is senator mitch mcconnell of kentucky the future of the g.o.p.? our next guest thinks so. john david dyke spent the last

five years writing a book called "republican leader: a political biography of senator mitch mcconnell." good morning to you. >> good morning. steve: why five years on mitch mcconnell? >> well, mitch mcconnell is uniquely positioned now as the leader of the republicans in the senate to resist the agenda of barack obama and the democratic congress yet people don't know a lot mitch mcconnell. so i thought this book would help tell about a man who's achieved such a key position at this critical time. gretchen: you say that one of his strategies may actually be extremely key right now to the republican party. and that is his outreach to the independent voter. this has been crucial right now because all the polling data in the recent weeks has shown that a lot of the independents who voted for barack obama may now have been falling away from supporting him. >> that's right. there are a lot of independents who actually lean conservative. when you looked at the polling

from the last election, you can see that's where republicans lost a lot of ground, with the conservative leaning independents so i think mcconnell's focusing in on those conservative issues like debt, spending, government takeovers and national security where those independents can be one back. steve: historically it would appear that senator mcconnell would be poised to do something great. because when you look back during william jefferson clinton's administration, when he jacked up people's taxes, just as president obama is suggesting to jack up taxes on the most successful with his health care thing, in the mid-terms both houses turned around and got majorities. mitch mcconnell could preside over just that. >> i think you're really correct there. in the book i tell about how back in 1994, before the gingrich revolution, there was a special election in kentucky for a congressional seat. and mcconnell got involved in the strategy, turned it against

president clinton, and won that seat. and that was kind of a template for what happened later in the fall in 1994. gretchen: we've seen in politics that history does repeat itself so we will pay close attention to mitch mcconnell and if people want to check out your book, "republican leader: a political biography of senator mitch mb come." john dyche, thank you for sharing your time with us. >> thank you for having me. gretchen: hank paulson makes a strong admission. he says he strongarmed bank of america into a marriage with merrill lynch. were his actions justified or do his threats border on criminal? steve: a calculate add tack that took less than four minutes and ended with a couple of executions. what kind of person would commit such a cold-blooded crime? up next we talk to a man who has studied 600 murders. he says they all have one thing in common.

clayton: welcome back to "fox & friends." eight us is sprects in police custody after the brutal florida double murder that was carried out with military style precision. what we can learn about the suspects based on the facts of this crime is interesting. i'm joined by dr. michael stone, forensic psychiatrist and author of "the anat any of evil eye -- anatomy of evil." fascinating book. good morning. >> good morning. clayton: we looked at this group, an eight-suspect arrest. this group spent at least 30 days planning this thing, meticulously. what does this say about this sick group of individuals. you look at the gradations of evil in this book. where do they fall on your scale using this book? >> they would fall toward the far end because of the planning. they're schemers. in other words, this is not an

impulse murder. clayton: not a serial killer. >> not a barroom brawl killing, either. this is something that was planned. they're scheming, you know, to do a very bad act. and it's not clear whether they had in their mind we're going to kill those parents or whether the parents were unexpectedly there and they, quote, had to kill them in order to eliminate witnesses. that i don't know. but the fact that they came prepared to kill, planned to rob them, planned, in effect -- if they did kill the parents, to make miserable the lives of 17 children, moves it up to a very high level. clayton: you bring up a key point, the 17. that's a fascinating number. the 17 kids. as you say in the book, the number of victims on your scale is a key factor in the sense of evil surrounding a mass murder. that taking the number of victims, particularly, into a situation. usually we think of the murder victims themselves.

but there are 17 children now who are left parentless. >> right. clayton: does that number get factored in when you're rating evil? >> yes, it does. clayton: could you tell me about that. >> well, first of all -- excuse me. ththe impact on the public is something that gets factored in. the public is going to react more strongly to the knowledge that 17 kids are left parentless and that the parents were killed than if one kid was left or if there were no kids. that's a natural human reaction. it's the same kind of reaction during the manson experience when a pregnant, beautiful woman, you know, was killed and stabbed to death by susan atkins. the public reacts more strongly to that than to the murder of a homeless person or something. you say, well, murder is murder and that person's -- that person's life is as valuable as the other's but the public's reaction is going to be much more strong.

they're going to be agast at the idea of a large number of people affected. clayton: and smurd not just murder. -- murder is not just murder if you read your book. thank you for joining us. appreciate it. our coverage of those murders in florida will continue in two minutes. the sheriff of the case will join us live with new information about the female real estate agent now accused in this grewsome crime. then some small business owners already hurting. now the plan to reform health care will hit them even harder. plus, the worst breakup you've ever had. did it go something like this? >> oh, broke up with me on a post-it. >> a post-it? >> uh-huh. yup. read it and weep, my friends. >> "i'm sorry. i can't. don't hate me." >> wait until you hear how one nba star dumped his now ex-fiancee. [captioning made possible by fox news channel] has progress taken us to a better place?

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gretchen: it is july 16, 2009. thank you for sharing your time with us today. new details in that double murder of a wealthy florida couple. one more person charged. but there's still at least one suspect who could still be on the loose. we'll talk to the sheriff, just moments away. clayton: come to your television right now and check this video out. a tanker carrying thousands of gallons of gas explodes into a massive fireball. we have the very latest, including how two alert drivers helped save some lives there. steve: excellent. meanwhile a high school coach gets the heave-ho after a parent brings beer to a season-ending bash. the kids weren't drinking. he wasn't drinking. why is the coach saying the -- school saying the coach was out of line? and a story from kathy in pennsylvania. "i've seen the others. they all give me the blues. so now i start my morning with "fox & friends" news."

thanks. [captioning made possible by fox news channel] captioned by the national captioning institute -- www.ncicap.org -- steve: welcome aboard, folks. live from studio e in midtown manhattan, it's "fox & friends" for this beautiful thursday morning. brian kill immediate on vacation -- kilmeade on vacation. clayton: the suit fits nicely. a little tight in the pants though. gretchen: are you saying you have a better build? steve: no he's saying he's got a bigger butt. gretchen: all right. as we move from that to very serious news. a fox news alert. jpmorgan chase posts $2.7 billion profit for the second quarter. a 36% rise from a year earlier. the earnings which exceeded analysts' expectations were the latest sign that the strongest banks were finding a bright patch in the midst of economic troubles. it's more complicated than that though because a lot of these banks received bailout money.

now they're posting these huge rewards. some people might say, that's great for the economy, some others might say, well, where's my cut? steve: goldman sachs reported over the last quarter they made over $3 billion just after they got $10 billion in tarp money which they have not completely repaid. of course, they got the money at the time when the whole financial system seemed to be falling apart. and this morning henri paul son, who was -- henry paulson, who was the treasury secretary under president bush, he's got some explaining to do. he's being called up to capitol hill to talk about what was going on behind the scenes. there have been some suggestion that bank of america was pressured into buying merrill lynch. now, pressured. they thought it was a good idea in the beginning until they took a good look at their bottom line. and merrill lynch was on the verge of losing $12 billion. they thought, can't do that. then hensy hawlson comes -- henry paulson comes in and says,

wait a minute, if you don't do it something bad could happen to you. clayton: and the question now is whether or not he told them anything untored. whether or not he said, look, if you don't move on this, bank of america, here's what's going to happen, your board will be removed and you're going to be out of luck. steve: and ken lewis is on the board! clayton: the appearance of improprietary here. one of the important sparts that he then said chairman bernanke did not tell him anything did not tell him, look, you need to tell bank of america that their board will be renounced. we know he's going to go up there and likely to say that my boss had nothing to do with this. gretchen: a crucial point here is that bernanke told the house panel on june 25 that none of this happened. so this is going to be crucial. they're under oath. to complicate matters, here is what the clause is that apparently paulson used when he strongarmed ken lewis, head of bank of america to buy merrill lynch when ken lewis says i

don't want to buy them anymore. it's called the mack clause, not a mac computer, the material adverse change which means that ken lewis had the option to get out of this deal. but paulson said, look, you will crumble the economy, it will show a colossal lack of judgment if you go back on this deal. i don't know. if you're ken lewis and you see a $12 billion loss from merrill lynch, i don't know if that's a colossal lack of judgment. it might be a sound judgment. steve: what he was saying is, you know, if you back out of this deal, wall street and the world will say if they're backing out, things are really screwed up right now and that would affect the entire system. so we will evoke that and you and your board will be out unless do you it. darryl icia, the congressman, said it looks like there was a shotgun marriage between these two. and when you look at that -- even lewis now is saying it was the right thing 20 do and i -- to do and i didn't feel any terrible pressure it does appear a shakedown.

clayton: is anyone surprised that congress is not meeting with these people on a regular basis? half the board of goldman sachs in the obama white house, all of these guys talking on a regular basis? the question comes down to democrats, holding a lot of these hearings now. we know henry waxman planning other hearings this could be the first of many. whether or not henry paulson used threats or intimidation to ken lewis. is that a problem? and is it criminal? that's a real question. is it criminal? gretchen: there's a fine line there. we probably have all been in work environments where you're strongarmed into certain situations. and whether or not that ends up crossing the line is the story here. clayton: was there a wink and a nudge? gretchen: exactly. steve: if ben bernanke said i protected the economy, it was a good deal for taxpayers, i have nothing to regret about the whole transaction. the big question is, what will henry paulson say when he appears on capitol hill. you'll see excerpts here on fox throughout the afternoon and here on this show tomorrow

morning. gretchen: twitter us or e-mail us and let us know what you think. meantime, supreme court nominee sonia sotomayor faces her final day of questioning on capitol hill. connecticut firefighter frank ricci will take the stand why is this important? he's the guy who had that racial discrimination case rejected by sotomayor. she upheld a decision to throw out the exam that he and other firefighters took because not enough minorities did well, even though ricci did well. well, that was recently overturned by the u.s. supreme court. yesterday sotomayor wouldn't define her views on abortion as well. listen to this. >> i can't answer that in the abstract because the question as it would come before me wouldn't be -- in the way that you form it, as a citizen. it would come to me as a judge in the context of some action that someone's taking.

gretchen: a vote by the full senate to confirm sotomayor is expected in early august. a hearing now scheduled this morning for accused 9/11 plot erica lead shaikh mohammed and four others to determine if they're mentally competent to stand trial. some family members of september 11 victims are expected to be there. it's likely mohammed will use the hearing to rant against america and demand to plead guilty. coming up, we'll go live to gitmo for latest from our own correspondent there, catherine herridge. an update on the black boxes from the deadly plane crash in iran. the flight was on its way to to armenia when it went down calling all onboard. the officials are examining the recorder or recorders to see if they can find clues to what caused the crash.

two truck drivers being credited for their quick thinking after this massive explosion neer detroit -- near detroit. a two-mile stretch of highway shut down after this unbelievable accident. a tanker carrying 13,000 gallons of gas erupted into a fireball, collapsing part of the overpass. another look at the fiery scene comes from a witness who took this video with a cell phone camera. police are now saying a car lost control, swerving into the tanker, causing the cab and trail trailer to separate. no one luckily seriously hurt. the 17-year-old arrested for bombing a starbucks on memorial day is using the movie "fight club" as an excuse. police arrested kyle shaw yesterday at his parents' apartment in new york. his friends blew the whistle on him because they were afraid he was going to set off another explosion. investigators say shaw was obsessed with the anticommercial message in "fight club." in the movie brad pitt leads attacks on businesses including a coffee shop. the tallest building in the united states getting a new name today.

the sears tower will become the willis tower. really? it's being named after a london-based financial company that got the naming rights after agreeing to lease 140,000 square feet of space in the tower. it had been known as the sears tower since 1973. people are still going to call it the sears tower, i think. paul mccartney returning to the ed sullivan theater and rocking new york city 45 years after beatles stormed america for the first time. >> ♪ get back get back to where you once belonged ♪ gretchen: mccartney is kicking off a u.s. tour starting this weekend at the new citi field and ending in dallas on august 19. steve: he really messed up traffic last night. clayton: i was so mad. i wish i would have known that. i had nothing to do yesterday afternoon. steve: apparently it was on the internet and some guy over in great britain heard about it, bought tickets, was right there for it. thought it might be two songs.

seven songs. clayton: i just threw this out on twitter. what's the worst way you had ever broken up with someone? steve: funny you should say that. clayton: post-it notes? steve: we heard that in that clip from "sex in the city." ok. july 11. this man by the name of richard jefferson, former net star, nba stawndout, and keesha nicole nichols had been planning this $500,000 wedding. they were going to have a reception in columbus circle, going to spend a lot of money, could be fantastic. one problem. the week before something happened -- apparently they spent too much time together over the fourth of july, things didn't go well. and he decided to break up with her. but he decided to do it in a most inhuman of ways, via e-mail. gretchen: he still plays for the spurs, by the way. so he is still in the basketball game but he didn't want to be in the game of marriage.

i don't agree with breaking up via e-mail but i think this is a good thing. because if they're not meant to be married, they might as well call it off before they go down the aisle. clayton: but come on. if you're planning a wedding, your fiancee, you have the wedding planned. steve: $500! $5,500,000! >> pick up the phone. gretchen: aid a two-hour phone conversation followed by this e-mail. i don't know. i think it was really important that they didn't get married if it wasn't going to work out. steve: "i did this once. i had a friend do it for me." speaking of friends, one of the problems with this particular thing is people showed up for the wedding on july 11 because they had not heard. gretchen: that's bad. steve: it was bad for friends and family. what is the worst way you have ever -- your relationship has ever been terminated? e-mail us right now.

or twitter us as well. apparently clayton just got one. clayton: "fedexed the ring back with a note." someone arrives. you've got the ring in a fedex box. she broke up with him. sent the ring back fedex style. gretchen: at least she sent the ring back. clayton: that's true. steve: apparently this nba guy did give her a six-figure amount so that she could start her life over without him. so e-mail and cash. clayton: i will say it's my wife's birthday. if she's watching, happy birthday. that's better than an e-mail. steve: and cheaper than a card. clayton: that's right. save money. gretchen: the president's massive health care plans. if you're not wealthy, you will still feel the pinch. a millionaire who says he will cut jobs if his taxes go up. he joins us next. steve: and michael jackson on fire. shocking video never before seen

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steve: a fox news alert. a new twist in the investigation of the murders of that florida couple who had 17 kids. this woman, pamela long wiggins, now in custody being charged with accessory after the fact for felonious murder. gretchen: escambia county sheriff morgan is back with us today. good morning. >> good morning, ma'am. gretchen: astounding developments. you announce that you have seven suspects now arrested, still possibly looking for an eighth. but also a real estate agent who's well-known in town, pamela long wiggins. what have you charged her with and what is her connection to these two murders?

>> she's been charged with accessory after the fact for felony murder. and her association began when she was a person of interest with, again, one of our prime suspects, leonard patrick gonzalez jr. her association with him is she rented a home to him and his family. she developed a close friendship with him and his family. they were noticed and observed many times together throughout the community. steve: sheriff, what does accessory after the fact mean? >> meaning that she had an involvement with the apartments in -- participants in this crime and had something after crime was committed that may lead back or have direct evidence in the crime in this case as a result of her arrest last night, we have recovered some items that will be significant in the prosecution of this case. gretchen: so you're not disclosing what that connection was? >> we've been asked, gretchen, by the state attorney's office to delay that statement until our 10:00 a.m. press release. and at that time mr. eddins will

release that information to the media. steve: sheriff, as i understand yesterday, when you held up the picture of this woman, pamela long wiggins, she was apparently spotted in an arena in alabama and she had no knowledge that you were looking for her as a person of interest? >> i believe at that time that is correct this went out over our tip lines. and, againing thanks to you and other members of our media, the tip had come to us by a tip from being on tv, an individual that worked in maintenance at that arena made a call to one of our hotlines. he recognized ms. wiggins. and the orange beach police was alerted and they responded to that location and detained her for us until we could arrive and ask her to come back. she did come back under her own voluntary listing, by the way. gretchen: did this woman, pamela long wiggins, know byrd and melfully billings, the couple murdered? >> to the best of our knowledge, no.

she did not have any direct relationship with the billings family. gretchen: so she was potentially in this for the cash or whatever they went into this house for? >> i would say that would be a safe assumption. steve: it is a strange case that just gets stranger and more mind-bogleing by the day. -- mind-boggling by the day. thank you. >> thank you, sir. gretchen: more details coming out at 10:00 a.m. eastern. i'm sure we'll carry them here on fox. they went missing from minnesota, 20 of them, and turned up in a terror camp training to kill americans. what pushed these young is a malley-americans to a life of terror? steve: then, a coach throws a party at the end of the season for his high school softball team and lost his job because alcohol was served. but not to the kids, and not to the coach. how parents who drank cost this coach his career. he'll join us live. >> we are going to get this

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steve: it's your "newsed by the numbers." 16%. an unusual government survey finds that 16 is the percentage of drivers police randomly pulled over on weekend nights who tested positive for drugs. next, 100 years. that's how long ago the naacp was founded. it is the nation's oldest civil rights organization. president obama speaks to the organization at a celebration tonight. and 300. that's how many days xavier rosset purposely lived by himself on a deserted island in the pacific ocean. his only tool was a knife and his only companion was a pig. unlike tom hanks, gretchen and clayton, who has a volleyball.

clayton: her only companion right now is a pig, too. gretchen: come on. as many americans travel from minnesota to somalia to train and fight with terrorists. these were is a malley young men who had come to minnesota to live. two of them returned to face federal charges and a third has been known as the first american suicide bomber. clayton: unbelievable. what's turning these americans to terror? the executive director of the is a malley justice advocacy center joins us to talk about this. good morning, omar. >> good morning. clayton: we start with the obvious question, which is, we assume these kids are safe in america, free from this sort of radicalization but that's not the case. how are these kids being brought into the folds of al qaeda in the united states? >> well, first, it's really shocking as anybody could imagine. those little kids confused, isolated, identity crisis, became subject by organizations of al qaeda.

so it is very shocking. we're still trying to figure out what is it that they told them to convince them to drop school, colleges, and go back and commit suicide bombing. gretchen: we're talking about 20 young men now in minnesota which, by the way, i think has the largest somali population of any state. you played soccer with one of these guys. he ends up being a suicide bomber after he's recruited by al qaeda. is this a betrayal, do you feel, to your own community there? >> well, it is betrayal. it is very dangerous. if we had known what was going to happen, we feel we could have done something about it. but it is a serious issue that we're dealing with. and mainly because we don't have any other alternative. some of the mosques is indianapolis are already clashing the community and calling them to join the jihad and somali militant.

al qaeda became influential in that part of the world. gretchen: but how does that happen in america? you're saying the morvegs in minneapolis are advocating this? >> some of the mosques are advocating for this. the element of extremism, radicalism. and are shocking. even a couple of days ago -- i mean months ago. they told taxi drivers not to carry passenger with alcohol from the airport. passengers carrying wine or alcohol. so this has been something we've been seeing for quite a time but not to the left where they take a young boy to somalia and convince him to blow himself up, killing 30 people along with him. clayton: unbelievable. and al qaeda members going after these poor, marginalized kids in minnesota. omar, thanks for talking with us and sharing your thoughts. >> thank you very much. gretchen: if his taxes go up, he may fire you. a millionaire who is not going

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>> ♪ a juke box baby takes the floor ♪ steve: welcome back. it is thursday. clay is in for brian. one of florida's oldest residents, frances sh oh, venaugh turns 108 today. she's celebrating in style modeling this suit. she was born in 1901 and says she just changed with the times of the just last year she went ziplining in costa rica. god love her. she attributes her long life to exercise. she exercises every morning at the y down there. she's watching "fox & friends." gretchen: there's the zip line.

steve: she also had a positive attitude. her advice to other people? live each day to its fullest and don't look back. look ahead. congratulations. clayton: she was inspired by that young guy who jumps out of airplanes all the time on his birthday. gretchen: oh, yeah. george bush. that 85-year-old youngin. clayton: she says all these young whipper snappers are doing it i'm going to do it. gretchen: she's also very stylish. she's got it going on. clayton: today's a big day. today is the 40th anniversary of the launch of the apollo 11 moon mission to the first landing of the moon. of course there were a number of missions before this. and monday is the anniversary of the actual landing. of course they released new audio. over 102 hours of audio. steve: there you can see as the saturn 5 lifts off. that happens two hours from now 40 years ago. and nasa right this minute is

releasing new audio of the entire mission. this is archival audio that has never been herd before. the -- heard before. they pick up the audio coverage two hours in advance of that. so it was 6:32 central standard time, daylight time, and 7:32 eastern time which means right now. gretchen: and we will share a little bit of that audio so you can hear it for the very first time along with us. and fox news channel is having a special about this whole anniversary, the 40-year anniversary, on friday night. you can catch that here. i believe it's by greta van susteren. 10:00 p.m. eastern time, friday night. clayton: did you notice before we went to the slate, there was video we've never seen before. some enhanced stuff as well. all the h.d. stuff nasa rolling it out. they cleaned it up. there's always that controversy

about what neal armstrong actually said. so he lands a small step for a man or man. there's been controversy over the years. did he actually say "a man." steve: and look at how much sharper the images, screen right, are what we have seen over the last four years. they have somehow digitally fixed it up where it is a little sharper, easier to see what those guys were doing. clayton: windy up there. gretchen: come on, clayton. i was going to say the tech guru to my left could probably tell us how they enhanced all of that. then he said it was windy. clayton: let's check your headlines. secretary of state hillary clinton heading to india tonight to strengthen ties. trip after she warned iran to accept the white house's offer for engagement or continue down a path of isolation. speaking to the council on foreign relations secretary clinton defended u.s. policy towards iran.

>> our willingness to talk is not a sign of weakness to be exploited. we will not hesitate to defend our friends, our interests, and above all our people vigorously and when necessary with the world's strongest military. clayton: clinton says the opportunity for open talk won't be on the table forever and condemned iran's treatment of election protesters. steve: never-before-released video is just coming out this morning it shows michael jackson's 1984 pepsi commercial shoot. and some pyrotechnics went off there. watch the king of pop's head. it is on fire. and now family members are saying that perhaps that scalp fire is what caused his addiction to drugs. you can see the pyrotechnic going off early. jackson kept on dancing and didn't realize his hair was on fire. people tackled jackson, tried to put out the flames. the pop star suffered third degree burns not only to his

psychologicalp -- scalp but to his face. gretchen: the c.d.c. wants all school children to get four flu shots next season. four? two to combat the seasonal flu and two to combat swine flu. it says that it wants a full frontal assault on the viruses beginning in august. that's a lot of shots. the agency has not determined yet how long children should wait between those vaccinations. i don't know about convincing your kids for four. sometimes one's tough enough. clayton: no shots are good for me. a joyful homecoming for a marine. >> good to be back. >> how are you feeling? >> good. like a million bucks. >> this is the first time he's been back since his brain injury. all he wanted to do was come back to colorado. clayton: 200 people turned tout greet him at the airport. duty was initially hurt in an explosion in iraq. but then during treatment an infection set in paralyzing him

and leaving him with brain damage. he is spending much of his time learning how to move and speak clearly but says he is just happy to be alive and home in colorado. steve: meanwhile, tough words from president obama this week telling his opponent to get out of his way when it comes to health care reform. he wants it. >> we can't kick the can down the road any longer. deferring reform is nothing more than defending the status quo. and those who would oppose our efforts should take a hard look at just what it is that they're defending. steve: the president's plan, though, estimated to cost $1.5 trillion over the next 10 years. that's a lot of money. gretchen: and the way to pay for it all? well to tax the wealthy. allen jones is a chairman of jones management services. he's serious about this plan. good morning to you, sir. >> good morning. gretchen: so understandably, i know why you're upset because

you fall into that category of the top earner in america who will be lambasted by this health care reform plan, a tax of 5.4%. what i'm interested in this morning, sir, is how that is going to trickle down to the middle class person that you employ. >> well, it's not 5.4%. first of all, it's 5.4 percentage points. that's 15.4% if you take a percentage. gretchen: so it's worse. >> it's worse. getting ready to increase taxes to the point of 15.4% overnight. steve: so, allen, you're going to wind up having to pay a lot more. but what people who are for this plan -- we should point out that charlie rangel said the reason they're targeting people like you, allen, is because it causes the least amount of pain on the least amount of people. now, you're one of those people who makes jobs in this economy. will this cause you to either

cut back on the number of people you hire and employ or what? >> well, we're trying to analyze to find out how this thing is going to come out. it will no doubt make us lay off some people. there's just a fact it's going to happen. clayton: and you already pay only 79% in insurance costs. and there's another 21% that's floating around out there. but only half of the people would have to pay for that. shouldn't this be spread out over everyone? >> you know, you can't just take the top 1% and pile them in. it's like a jihad on the successful. as long as people watching understand, this is your boss they're talking about. this is the people who create the jobs they're talking about making pay all of this. as long as you understand the unexpected consequences, then that's the point you need to get across. gretchen: and also a part of this health care reform plan which i know will also get you steamed is that if you don't

offer health insurance to your employees, then you're penalized, too, right? an 8% penalty if you as the business owner do not supply the right kind of health insurance. >> that's correct. and one of the businesses i sewn is a restaurant. and the restaurant is going to take us to an absolute zero profitability. and if you got restaurants all over the country that go to zero profitability and you've got these owners who can't pay their mortgages, they're going to have to close their restaurants. and restaurants employ a lot of people around this country, gretchen. steve: allen, you know, one of the things that the president has said is the fact that nobody's going to pay more taxes than they did under clinton which was 39.6%, something like that. but marginal tax rates affect people in different ways. for instance, here in new york state people will be paying close to 60% in marginal tax rate so you're telling us today that you're going to have to pay a lot more and you're going to

have to lay off people because of it. >> yeah. we're going to have to lay off something. i don't know exactly what we're going to do. there seems to be a jihad against the successful, against the employers. gretchen: the interesting thing is mr. jones, a lot people said when their state income tax went up, they might just go to a different state, like from new york to nor tblor no state income tax. but people like you in america now, you can't go anywhere because this is going to be a federal thing. right? you're stuck. >> yes. that's correct. the state tax like wyoming doesn't have state tax. tennessee doesn't have a state income tax right now. unfortunately i have businesses in 37 states and we're paying state taxes in those states. steve: cautionary tale, allen jones, chairman of jones management services. thank you for joining us today from chattanooga, tennessee. clayton: let's see some rhinos, monkeys. gretchen: brushing their teeth? clayton: jack hannah is at the

columbus zoo. we saw a rhino getting his teeth brushed do rhinos need to get their teeth brushed, jack? >> oh, yeah. they have breath, too, like you do. it helps keep their teeth cleaned along with the proper food they eat. gretchen: let's talk about that gorgeous creature behind you. well, two. but the baby elephant. >> we're very proud of this birth. only two asian elephants have been born in the past six years as far as about nine -- i'm sorry. six have been born. we have two of them born here at the columbus zoo. this is a little male elephant. the asian elephant in the wild, when i came here in 1978, there were about maybe 300,000, 400,000 asian elephants. today there's anywhere from 35,000 to 40,000. can you imagine that? the largest land annual in the world. steve: i heard some story out of boston that somebody had said unless we get enough money to pay for our zoo animals, we're going to have to wind up getting

rid of them. it sounded very ominous. that is a trend with diminishing revenue as cross the board, but you guy -- across the board but you're this rifing. >> yeah. i've said this for 30 years. a zoo is a place to have fun, f-u-in. what we do here, we have a magnificent zoo separated by a water park, separated by a golf course. we have revenues coming into one pot. we support 60 podges around the world. that's how we do it. because people come here to have fun and learn about animals. steve: you have plenty of both. we're going to talk to you again one hour from now. we thank you very much for joining us live from the columbus zoo. >> that baby elephant weighed 300 pounds when it was born three months ago, and now it weighs 600. gretchen: all right. clayton: carb only diet will do that to you. it was supposed to be a post celebration but turned into a going away party. how one parent who brought beer

to a softball party for himself got the coach fired. gretchen: and bill o'reilly on why he says president obama's energy policy only benefits goldman sachs and al gore. aflac! aflac! find out more at aflacforbusiness.com

gretchen: welcome back, everyone. a high school softball coach fighting for his job now. brad young was fired after hosting a party to celebrate the end of the team's season. the reason? some of the players' parents showed up at the party with beer. the coach wasn't drinking. the players weren't drinking. but the school says it still violates its alcohol policy. brad young and one of his players, carson tuck, join me live this morning. good morning to both of you. >> good morning. >> good morning. gretchen: brad, for the last five years a part-time gig because you simply join it and your team seems to enjoy you,

you were the high school softball coach at walkersville high school. you have this celebratory party. a couple parents bring beers did it ever cross your mind at the time of the party that you were violating school policy? >> it didn't or we would not have done it. we've had parties in the past. it was a very informal, casual party at my house. the players and parents came over. i want to say that the parents didn't think anything of it as well. nobody was uncomfortable. it was a very natural thing that happened. unfortunately it was against the policy. gretchen: so you find out soon there after that you're no longer the coach, you're fired. >> well about a week after the party i was notified by the principal that there was a complaint filed. i went in and gave him all the facts that happened. approximately four weeks after that is when i was given my termination. gretchen: carson, you're a player on the team. do you like your coach? >> he's like a father to me. gretchen: wow. so you might have taken this information pretty hard that he was let go. you were at the party.

what was going through your mind at the party? did you think you were violating school policy? >> i wasn't really thinking about it. we were there to have a good time. we had a great season this year. and i don't think anyone was there to have our coach fired from his job. gretchen: i understand you filed an appeal, brad. the school says that it's taking it under advisement what do you think your chances are about getting your job back? >> i'm hoping good. if you look at the facts and what happened. number one, i wasn't aware of the policy. i'm not claiming ignorance is bliss. if the policy was violated, i accept responsibility. but just asking for a fair punishment. again, return return as coach, this will never happen again. just looking for fair treatment. gretchen: sometimes there are rules to follow but sometimes there are exception to the rule. this to me sounds like one of those cases. i hope you get your job back. carson good luck with your

softball. >> thank you. gretchen: one czar. two czar in three czar? four? 32? president obama keeps adding to his collection. this time a science czar what are these guys doing, and some ladies? plus, former speaker of the house newt gingrich says no how, no way. why he thinks president obama's health care plan doesn't have a chance of passing. first, though, on this date in history july 16, 1999, john kennedy jr., his wife carolyn and her sister killed when their private plane crashed into the atlantic. and in 1976, the number one record, "afternoon delight." >> ♪ skyrockets in sight . .

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steve: 32 and counting, president obama's czar tally is 32, and it keeps rising. the latest edition? he's added a science czar. >> what is he doing? where is congress in all of this? isn't congress supposed to be the oversight arm at our federal government and providing oversight? why is congress allowing all of these czars to roll through the capitol? >> that's a good question, and i would hope members of the public, taxpayers, would call their members of congress and ask them this question. where the heck have they been? there have been very few voices to question both the constitutionality and the wisdom of having an inordinate amount of people who will innev have

itably bump into each other, clash, and advance agendas behind the scene that do thought benefit the public, but but a lot of special interest. i've done a lot of research into carol browner and nancy. and both of these women are playing huge roles in these debates about how to run the economy, and they have no accountability. you have these figureheads, the heads of the epa and the hhs, but in some people the cabinet heads who were able to get approval have no say. they're basically serving as underlings to these overlords who have no oversight. steve: you mentioned carol browner. we had her on the show a week, two weeks ago talking about cap and trade, and i asked her if she'd actually read the bill,

and she said i've read parts of it. when you talk about accountability, just look this past week, steve rattner, the so called auto czar, had to leave his job because one of the companies he used to be involved with, quud rangel, involved with a pay for play scheme with the pension service up here in new york state, and it's one of things. had he gone through a congressional type vetting process, they would have said maybe this is not your best choice, mr. president. >> that's right. well, we have a joke. obama lied, transparency died. the whole purpose for creating this entire shadow cabinet is because they had debacle after debacle during the former nomination process, and when you think about all the cabinet secretaries and the scandals that feld a lot of those nominees, and tim geithner barely made it through, and so

you can see the reasoning for how they did this. clayton: we talk about the autism czar. this is one of the few czars on the campaign trail that president obama said he was going to appoint. we didn't know about these czars. the autism czar has not been put forth yet. that would be number 33 on this list. >> 33 on the list. that's a good question. i've been focusing on the so called science czar, john holdren, and he's one of the few czars that went through the nomination process, but even in that sense, there was not enough accountability for the whacky and nutty policies that this guy has put forth and wrote about in the 1970's. this is a guy who wrote a book that actually posited the idea of putting sterilants in this water supply so that women would be infertile and they would have control over the population. it's very scary, and that's

ultimately what the whole czar regime is about. it's about control and coercion. steve: it is scary. michelle malkin, a pleasure to have you from denver. michellemalkin.com and hotair.com. clayton: is warrantless wiretap necessary? that's the opinion of john you. why he's taking to the newspapers? those games could be a bad idea when you're working on the clock. how one angry passenger nabbed a train attendant and what price he had to pay.

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gretchen: good thursday morning to you, july 16, 2009, thank you for sharing your time with us today. a rush hour nightmare. a gas tanker explodes sending a massive fireball hundreds of feet in the air.

a witness got this incredible footage to his cell phone. steve: health care reform is very expensive, it's also so complicated. how about an easy to understand flow chart? isn't that better? newt gingrich is going to join us to break down this web of bureaucracy, and he's got a novel proposal for members of congress. clayton: and never before seen video just released showing michael jackson's hair catching on fire. we've heard about this video for years. now we're learning this could have been what led to his downfall being addicted to pain pills. our slogan this hour comes from nancy in georgia. before i even put on my socks i start my day with the friends at fox. foxnews.com captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org-- [captioning made possible by fox news channel]

gretchen: clayton morris is our left seat guest today. how does the dent fit? clayton: i think you need to get this reapollstered today. steve: whether bill o'reilly stops by, he never complains. he's going to talk about this whole cap and trade thing and change in the economy regarding the environment and what not. he's got some names of big organizations that people who are going to profit in a big way from that. he will share that with you and all of us. gretchen: i hope he's going to share his thoughts on health care reform because he's going to be targeted in this whole thing. we begin with a "fox news alert," four police officers have been shot in jersey city, new jersey. two suspects have fled the scene. we will keep you updated. we're learning that the secret

proposal was terminated by george tenet, but it was given new life by porter goss, but by the time leon panetta took over, the proposal was already dying over practical challenges. more than $1 million was spent on the hit team initiative. it's rise and shine time. there's the music for the crew of space shuttle endeavour. they're getting their wake-up call right now. we want to show you new video showing the foam insulation that broke off one of the fuel tanks during the launch. nasa will be taking photos of the vessel on friday before it docks, and 40 years ago today the first mission to the moon blasted off. we have newly enhanced video of that historical moment. apollo 11 landed four days later on the moon surface.

two truck drivers are being credited for their quick thinking after this massive explosion near detroit, a two-mile stretch of highway shut down. a tanker carrying 13,000 gallons of gas erupted into a fireball collapsing part of an overpass. another look at the fiery scene came from a witness who took this video. a car lost control causing the cab and the tanker to separate. check out this picture. you're going to be steamed. a boston train attendant suspended after an angry rider snaps a photo of him playing a game. accused of playing sudoko. he said he wasn't driving the train, but was in charge of operating the doors. he's now suspended for three days without pay. an accident occurred in may

while the engineer was texting his girlfriend. fans lined up for the midnight premyer of "harry potter and the half-blood prince," this is the sixth installment. half blood breaks the record held by last year's smash, "the dark knight." and those are your headlines. clayton: former defense department or justice department john woo has come out and wrote an op-ed piece defending the bush administration's use of warrantless wiretaps, the criticism coming on the heels of what we know about this net of influence, the bush administration casting this net. now we know it may have been much wider and pulled all kinds of information into the fold. he's defending this saying we need to do it. steve: the whole fisa thing was written in a time that it never dawned on people that there could be these foreign fighters, these terrorists in other lands

plotting and planning against us, so shortly after 9/11 because our intelligence community knew so little about al-qaeda, they said ok, we believe under the law we do not have to get a warrant to wire tap communications between afghanistan, pakistan, and the united states because we believe these are evildoers who are out to get us, so they defend it that way, and john yoo looks historically, fdr did the same thing a year before pearl harbor. it's all in the name of keeping us safe. gretchen: terrorists are hard to identify, so this is one way in which you can track them through their communication, through emails, phone calls, et cetera. the other interesting analogy that john yoo points out because it's a simple one is that it's similar as innocent traffic tracking when you go to the

airport and you all go through security, right? we're not all guilty, but you're -- clayton: or dui checkpoints. gretchen: or any kind of roadblock. that brought it home for me. you might have to scan a whole bunch of people to find that one particular bad guy. clayton: we learn that the president has been having phone calls and conversations with george w. bush. he says he understands now more this way the nation was responding and the extraordinary things that president bush had to do in the wake of 9/11. he said very few people can possibly understand that, and these were revealing conversations, having to cast a wide net, as you say, grabbing email, text conversations, things that may pull in from innocent people as well, but casts a wide net because you don't know where this information is coming from. steve: and the world was waiting for the other shoe to drop and we didn't know where the bad guys were, so they had lawyers look over it, they believed the

president had the power, and that's all contained in john yoo's editorial today in the "wall street journal" if you'd like to read more. gretchen: we've been talking about this breakup between an nba star who plays for the san antonio spurs, richard jefferson, and his fiance, kiesha nicole nichols. they were supposed to have a huge wedding last week, $500,000, and he broke up with her via email just a few days before, and some of the guests were not aware that it had been canceled. we were asking what's the worst way you've been dumped? we've been getting so many reactions. somebody emailed to tell me that this player sent his amex card for everyone to still party at the mandarin oriental. steve: he sounds like a better guy now. clayton: frank says i had a friend unwrap a box of christmas

with his divorce papers in it. that's just plain cold. on christmas? steve: sherry typed in my husband sent me a text message saying i filed for divorce. gretchen: jilted in the ever blades. after a recent move to grad school i was invited to see a guy. 24 hours before arriving he told me he was getting married, and then he told me to get back on the phone and go home. clayton: carol says whenever it's time for her to do a breakup she says i take them to the dairy queen because it is public and who doesn't enjoy ice cream. gretchen: a dilly bar helps all of your problems. steve: everyo when the status c from relationship status change, then you know that person has gone through a breakup. gretchen: i think the best thing that happened, though, out of this whole relationship is that they didn't get married because

they would have gotten divorced. clayton: we could have done that by sending a carrier pigeon. steve: house democrats unveiled a new public option plan to provide health care to most americans, but would members of congress actually sign up for that same plan? if we're having people do it -- oh, look, there's newt gingrich. newt, you're suggesting if congress is going to come up with this plan that says ok, you've got to sign up for this, members of congress should get the same plan? >> well, we do say that, and it's interesting, at the center for health transformation we have a petition drive under way to ask members of congress to make sure that if there's going to be some government plan, that the members of congress and their staffs have to belong to that plan, and interestingly when senator tom coburn offered it in the health committee in the senate, senator kennedy voted for it, and actually passed on that particular committee mark about three or

four days ago, so senator teddy kennedy said yeah, if we're going to do it to the country, we've got to do it to ourselves. our goal is to make sure that the house votes to include themselves, not just create a plan that they impose on other people. clayton: you point out that no republican is going to vote for this thing, $1.5 trillion in spending increases, but there are a number of democrats, 52 democrats last week sending that letter saying that they don't want a big spending, big government bill, and these moderate democrats are starting to get under president obama's collar a little bit, so much so that he's rolled out these new television ads going after them. do you think these guys are going to switch? >> i don't know what's going to happen. there's a real pressure building in the country. i was just listening to you talk about how people break up. i know of at least seven cases where people who voted for the energy tax went home and had town hall meetings that were so hostile that in one case they announced they're not having any

more town hall meetings because they couldn't meet were the folks who elected them, so as people -- gretchen: trust me, a lot of constituents are going to be breaking up with their politicians. steve: harry reid should take everybody to the dairy queen. gretchen: i would love to get your thoughts on these amazing taxes that are going to go to a certain percentage of the population to pay for health care for everyone and what effect that's going to have on the small business owner, mr. speaker. if you would stick around, i'd love to ask you those skes when we return. steve: straight ahead, if we are providing health care for everyone, shouldn't everyone have to pay for it? who says there's nothing like the taste of cool whip ?

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gretchen: we're back with former house speaker newt gingrich. we were teasing before the break about the impact that this health care reform bill will have on small businesses in america when we're already facing 9.5% unemployment rate, and a lot of small businesses were thinking maybe we'll get a bailout. nope, instead they're going to get hit over the head, right? >> well, it's hard to understand what the liberal democrats are thinking. the federal reserve warned yesterday that unemployment will go to 10% or more. even more sobering, the federal reserve said that we may have no net new jobs for the next five years. we may be stuck at 8 or 9 or 10% unemployment. now, in that kind of environment, i would think that we would want to create the fastest possible growth rate for jobs, which is what you have to do starting with small business because they create most of the new jobs.

this new house democratic health bill adds billions and billions of dollars of cost to small businesses, guarantees the small businesses are not going to create any new jobs, increases the likelihood of unemployment, and has a procedure by which many corporations are going to dump all of their employees because it says if you want to have no health insurance plan, you pay an 8% tax to the government. well, many companies pay a lot more than 8%, so lewin and associates estimated that you might see 130 million people lose their insurance because of this bill. steve: obama said that nobody would pay taxes more than they did during the clinton years of 39.6%, i think, but here in new york they figured it out. some new yorkers are going to pay some top marginal tax rates of 58.6%, and the big question is if you put a tax of something

like 5.4% on millionaires, people who are most successful, is that fair? >> well, there are two parts. it's not fair to have america run on the backs of a handful. this is why california is now in such trouble because they get half their taxes from a very small number of people, and people are just leaving the state, they're not going to pay their taxes, but in addition, do you want more jobs or bigger government? and we developed at the center for health transformation a whole series of reforms in health care that two let us fix the system without a single new tax, and you simply can't get the liberal democrats to look at any answer other than higher taxes and bigger government. i'm hoping if we defeat this bill, we can go back and start a new bipartisan health reform effort from a much more practical pro job creation standpoint. clayton: and trying to eliminate fraud from this which is something both parties could agree on. >> we have a book that will come

out friday by jim frog called "stop paying the crooks." our estimate is that -- and frog really has an amazing numbers of stories, there's people stealing from the government, and our estimate is between 70 billion and $120 billion every year for medicare and medicare go to crooks involved in fraud. and one of our proposals is that no tax increase can go into effect until the government can certify that they've fixed medicare and medicaid enough so that no more than 1% of the money goes to people illegally, and today our guess is it's up to 10% in new york state. steve: thanks for scaring the living daylights out of us today, newt. it's always a pleasure to have you on our program. clayton: in less than an hour 9/11 conspirators head to court at guantanamo bay, at least two of them may not stand trial. gretchen: this moment may very well have started his downfall.

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gretchen: 24 minutes after the top of the hour. for decades gi's have heard your sergeants tell them smoke them if you've got them, and then we heard a plan of banning cigarettes in combat zones. but that's not happening. the sears tower in chicago, you've got to call it the willis tower. it's being named after a company agreed to lease 140,000 square feet of space. you know that it had been known as the sears tower since 1973. clayton and steve? clayton: emotions will be running high when khalid shaikh

mohammed is in the same military courtroom as 9/11 family victims. steve: the president had put all those trials on hold. from gitmo is catherine herridge. >> good morning. to give you an idea of where these guys are standing right now, earlier this year they sent this letter to the court, and in this letter they say you accuse us of killing 3,000 americans, but we want you to know that we don't consider this an insult, we consider this a badge of honor. the first issue is whether two of the conspiracies are so mentally ill that they are not it in to stand trial, and the last few minutes we've already had drama which is pretty typical. the two men we're being told are refusing to come to their own

hearing. the second issue is whether the court will give the administration another three months to delay the process until september until the review is concluded. also before this trip we spoke to the longs. they're from leesburg, virginia. both of them lost somebody in 9/11. melissa lost her boyfriend who was a new york city firefighter and brian longer lost his parents. brian told us that being in court for him would be a real challenge. >> i worry sometimes that i'll feel a lot of anger, but like i said, it will be a different experience to see it for myself. >> what we're expecting today is probably all five of the 9/11 conspirators. it's going to be the 9/11

families seeing them for the first time, and we have a circus-like atmosphere. my experience with khalid shaikh mohammed, one of the lawyers also confirmed in to me today, is that he never really disappoints us. clayton: they were sane enough to plan 9/11 attacks. unbelievable. steve: catherine herridge live from gitmo, thank you very much. clayton: a new twist in the murder of that wealthy florida couple. eight people have now been charged, but there could still be one suspect on the loose. steve: who's going to pay for president obama's hefty energy policy? and who's going to actually be helped by it? bill o'reilly stops the spin. he joins us on the other side of this time-out. (announcer) this is nine generations

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clayton: stop all your laughing out there. you know who's here? bill o'reilly. gretchen: oh, my goodness. "no spin zone" will be happening around here. we'll be talking about cap and trade and also the new health care reform bill. steve: take a look live from columbus, it's a yellow snake.

i believe jack hanna has actually had that critter here on the "fox & friends" set. we'll be talking to jack in just a couple of minutes, and look at all those people. that is great. a great picture. jack hanna in just a couple of minutes. headlines with gretchen. gretchen: police now looking for at least one more suspect in that deadly break-in that left a florida couple dead. yesterday 47-year-old pamela long wiggins charged as an accessory after the fact of felony murder. she is a real estate agent in the pensacola area. earlier we spoke to the local sheriff about her arrest. >> in this case as a result of her arrest last night, we have recovered some items that will be significant in the prosecution of this case. gretchen: seven others also charged in the shooting deaths of melanie and byrd billings who adopted 13 special needs children.

clayton: murder has not been ruled out in the michael jackson case. they'll know more once the toxicology results come back. check out this never before seen video just released to us. it shows jackson's head catching on fire during the 1984 pepsi commercial. we all saw the aftermath. he keeps dancing. the pop star suffered third-degree burns to his face and scalp. his family says this events that you're watching may have sparked his drug addiction. the video obtained by "us weekly" magazine. steve: memory lane starts in the womb? that's right. a new report in the journal child development says an unborn baby's short term memory starts as early as 30 weeks. wow. the study tested a hundred pregnant women using ultrasound. the babies were repeatedly exposed to sounds and eventually they stopped responding. the babies stopped reacts because they remembered they had

heard it before. that is extraordinary. gretchen: well, love conquers all, right? well, that may not be true. oh, no. researchers followed 2500 couples over six years to find out why they stayed together. here's what they found out. if a man marries under the age of 25 or if he's nine or more years older than his wife, he's twice as likely to get a divorce, and what role does money play? 16% of marriages that report themselves as poor have less chances of succeeding if the man is unemployed. that would not be a surprise. all right, clayton. clayton: the labor department just releasing new jobless numbers coming in. there were 522,000 new unemployment claims last week, right now 6.73 million americans are out of a job. this comes on the heels of president obama talking about those jobless numbers and hoping that they won't creep up above

9%, and hearing they could creep as high as 10%. steve: paul mccartney not out of work, he was down to business at the ed sullivan theater and rockin' new york city, 45 years after the beatles stormed america for the first time. ♪ get back ♪ get back ♪ get back to where you once belonged ♪ steve: he was on the marquee at the ed sullivan theater. gretchen: i know bill o'reilly loves paul mccartney, but that's not who is on his mind. president obama campaigned for change, but with a energy bill that will cripple. is president obama delivering the wrong kind of change? clayton: joiningo us on is phon is the culture warrior.

good morning. >> on monday we broke a fairly significant story that the obama administration would like you not to know, and that is that the cap and trade situation that they would like to pass into law really isn't going to do much for global warming because india, china, and mexico won't participate, and, number two, because you basically have a system which is going to be gamed by big corporations like goldman sachs, general electric. they've already bought into companies that are going to do the trades, and on each trade they'll get a commission. so goldman sachs, for example, paid nothing in corporate tax last year, 2008. they made $2 2 million.

where's goldman sachs when it comes to health care? nothing. they don't pay it. so it's a con. once you get this into law, the prices for everything are going to go up. because the companies that have to pay more to admit are going to pass that on to the consumer, so the consumer pays more for electricity, for power in every sense, to heat their home, cool their home, everything, manufacturing, goes up, but goldman sachs, they make hundreds of millions of dollars, and they're not paying any taxes, so i'm saying is this change i can believe in? the little guy gets hosed, but the big corporation gets richer? come on. steve: and you make a good point about india and mexico and china still able to pump that gunk, whatever it is, into the atmosphere, so whatever we do could be marginalized. do we even know, bill, whether or not the carbon credits actually can do anything?

>> there have been studies that say they'll do a little bit. they've tried it in spain. i think most americans want a cleaner country and a cleaner planet. all right. there are some hard core right-wingers who don't believe in global warming even know the temperature shows that the earth has warmed in the last 30 years, three times faster than the previous hundred. that's in stone. you don't debate that. but there are people that say it's a big con. nobody knows why the earth is warming except the deity, so i'll leave it to him or her. but once you get into a system whereby the american worker is going to get hurt and the fat cat corporations are going to make money, and it's not going to make much of a difference to the earth's atmosphere, then you have to say this is not good. gretchen: something these i have a feeling you might say is not good, bill, is this health care reform package. you talked about the average person and how that might affect them. on its face you don't think that

it would, but these amazing taxes that may go into effect are going to affect small business owners, and will that not trickle down to the average joe? >> number one, we need health care reform. again, some right-wingers will tell you we don't. they're wrong. this system is out of control. it is. i buy my own health care. i run a corporation. it costs me almost $20,000 a year, and every time i submit a claim, the insurance company's kicking it back. we do need to have reform. the problem with the obama thing, it's almost like cap and con. it's disguised as helping the little guy, but it's income redistribution. i weren't to switzerland a couple of weeks ago on vacation. the swiss model is what the american model should be. there is come pulsory health

care, and if you work both you and your employer have to pay for it. it's a partnership. if you don't work, the swiss government will subsidize you, but only 3% of the swiss aren't working. however, the subsidies is way down the food chain, so your health care is rationed. we can do this, but the federal government taking it over is going to be an unbelievable disaster, and the worst thing about it is it's going to bankrupt the nation. we're going to go the direction of california. and, again, obama has got to take a walk and clear his head because his programs may be well-intentioned. i don't think they're not well-intentioned. i don't think the guy's the devil, but he's not executing them well. and he's getting us deeper and deeper into debt, and that's going to burst, and this guy, his approval ratings are going to go down, he's going to be

thrown out of there in one term, so for his own self-preservation re needs to take a harder look at this stuff. clayton: he's trying to take a harder look at it with some of these moderate democrats, these guys who are sitting on the fence here. now they have these ads that he's rolling out trying to target them, threatening them with these emotional ads saying these people need health care reform and if you don't fix this thing come election time maybe the white house isn't going to be behind you. >> that's hard ball politics. everybody does that. i don't feel sorry for any politician in there. they know what the game is. they've got to understand that there is a right way and a wrong way to attack global warming and to revise the health care system. just blindly opposing everything obama does doesn't help the republican party. they've got to put up a better model, they've got to go out there and say we are not going to bankrupt the economy, but we

will improve the health care industry. that's what you need rather than you're an idiot, and then you don't have anything. so i think that the american people are catching on to this, i know they've caught on to the cap and con, i know that, and i don't expect that to get passed, by the way. the health care is much more complicated, but we can do it, but we have to do it smart. gretchen: it passed the house after michael jackson died, so we'll have to see what the flat does with cap and trade as well as health care. bill: i would be stunned if it passes the senate. then you're going to be able to -- in the next election hold these people accountable. steve: the king of cable, bill o'reilly, check him out, 8:00 eastern time, right here on the fox news channel. go back to your oatmeal. it was an offer they couldn't refuse. clayton: hank paulson's admission and whether or not he

had to do it. that's coming up next. gretchen: the zoo right here all morning long. you're looking at some of the creepier critters. could someone toss me

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gretchen: welcome back. steve: later this morning paulson has a chance to defend himself before the house

oversight committee. >> paulson was a day trader from goldman sachs who is going to talk to us, and bernanke is backing him up. you have a group of people who are judge, jury, and hangman on every decision. steve: you've got a congressman who accused them of a shotgun marriage. so is that criminal? is it a big problem? fox news legal analyst peter johnson jr. joins us live. it sounds like these guys at the government said to the bank all right, if you don't go ahead and merge, we might just throw the entire board out of business because we've got the power. >> they did say it, and maybe it would be criminal if someone was complaining about it. no one is complaining about it. bank of america says no. we went along and did this on our own. it had nothing to do with secretary paulson's threats or the fed's threats against us. let me tell you, and the american people are beginning to understand that, this goes back

to october 2008, and october 2008 the banking industry, the top eight or nine banks in america, sold their soul to the american government and took $125 billion and the banks were effectively nationalized, so once the banks were effectively nationalized when the secretary of the treasury comes to you and say listen, boys, you made this deal, if you back out of this, we're going to crush you, and they said oh, i guess we pay, we took the money already. gretchen: ken lewis did apparently put up a fight when he say that merrill lynch had recently lost $12 billion, and he went to paulson and said i don't want to do this deal anymore, and he had a loophole and paulson said to him -- what paulson said to him then is what this case is about. >> the regulators believe that you will destroy our financial system and the regulators

believe that if you act in an imprudent way, we will take your board out, your management out, you're going to be out. but that's basically what was said in october. these folks chose the easy route. keep their jobs and nationalize the banking system. they consented to it, and mr. lewis, and bank of america, they're not complaining about this. it may be a criminal act. let me tell you this. talk about transparency. what happened there was there was a side deal, and it's come out now, and it didn't come out until a month later that bank of america, another $20 billion, if they kept their mouth shut, and that the federal government would take care of $118 billion of merrill lynch's toxic assets. is that nationalization? gretchen: a lot of those deals are going on in the auto industry as well. thank you, peter johnson jr. all morning long we've been

checking in live at the columbus zoo and aquarium. it's a wild animal bonanza, and we're back with jack hanna in two minutes. steve: plus let's check in with megyn for what's happening in ten minutes on fox news channel. megyn: back in new york today for "america's newsroom," and one congressman is saying to lawmakers on capitol hill you like this public health care plan so much? why don't you pledge to sign up for it? he joins us live with just how many takers he's gotten. new arrests in those horrible florida slayings of that couple had the 17 kids. this realtor, we've got the story behind her coming up. .

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[captioning made possible by fox news channel] captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org-- gretchen: we have been out live at the columbus zoo all day long

with jack hanna. shows latest critters' here that you have on hand. >> it is one of the few zoos in the world that does this. a bearded dragon, a monitor lizard, a flameningo, and a snow leopard. it is one of the rarest cats in the world. he just broke his arm -- just kidding. that is a beautiful macaw parrot. a beautiful. that talks. one of the world's most ancient animals, an armadillo. and albino python, very rare. this is when they first come

into the zoo. they have the first experience with an animal. it is good to be able to talk to the parrot. they cannot touch this one right here, but you can get close to them. clayton: i think it is very important. >> one of the world's slowest moving animals, a two-toed sloth. it comes down once a week to go to the bathroom. clayton: some of our crew does that. i heard an interesting fact that sloths move so slowly that algae can actually grow on their back. is that true? >> of course it is true. they stay there for days and you'll not see them. it is like a big blob of moss. gretchen: i heard that you are going to be on "are you smarter than a 5th grader?"

>> those are not fifth graders, those are tiny people who went to yale. i have to take care of all of these animals: around my head. i could not remember everything. look at all of my staff here. steve: jack hanna at the columbus zoo, always a pleasure. >> thank you. steve: we are taking a timeout. come back into minutes to find out who is performing for our summer concert series. stay with us, would you?

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