remember, the spin stops here because we're definitely looking out for you. [captioning made possible by fox news channel] captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org-- sean: tonight. >> time for us to buck up. sean: tax rates will soar thanks to obama care and government-run care. newt gingrich and karl rove are here with reaction on how to stop this. pelosi panicked as house democrats say no to house reform. >> i was a big fan of perry mason. al franken puts his knowledge of the law on full display. >> it was a great show. >> i'll make our government open and transparent. sean: investigating the health care czar. sonia sotomayor comes face-to-face with the firemen. where's hillary clinton? all of that plus liberal

translation, deborah norville and our "great american panel." joe biden has a message for the american people, and it is this. we need to spend money to keep from going bankrupt. well, you heard it right. take a look for yourself. >> people look at me and say what are you talking about, joe? you're telling me we've got to go spend money to keep from going bankrupt? the answer is yes. sean: can't you just see the president wincing. meanwhile the house and senate health care bills are taking shape, and it looks like they're taking a cue from joe biden where we're finally getting an idea of what those bills are going to cost you in taxes. a single new yorker making $80,000 a year with no health insurance would pay, get this, a $2,000 penalty for not having health care over $21,000 in federal and state income taxes, and over $5,000 in other taxes. a total of just about 36% of

total income. now, continuing up the pay scale, a $235,000 income earner would pay nearly $80,000 of their income to the federal government, almost $20,000 to the state, and an additional $2,850 as a result of the democrat's new health care tax, so in total over 40% of their income confiscated by the government. and then finally there's the married couple with a combined income of $1.5 million, now they're going to fork over a whopping $580,000 in federal and state income taxes and an additional $81,000 thanks to the brand-new obama 5.4% health care tax. now, that's almost 57% of their income that goes to uncle sam. now, this is taking redistribution of wealth to a whole entire new level. and here to respond, former speaker of the house, author of

"real change" now available in paper back, newt gingrich is here. good to see you. >> you just showed the core contradiction. here is the vice president saying spend more, and here you are proving that they're going to take away your money before you can spend it, and that's why the federal reserve is warning we may have no net new jobs for the next five years because if you have this size tax increase, you're not going to get the spending and the investing to create new jobs. sean: the contradictory messages because joe biden said we misread the economy, everybody guessed wrong, and now he's saying yes, i'm saying is you're telling me we have to spend money to keep from going bankrupt, and then he's out there saying well, everywhere i go i see cops on the streets, teachers in the classrooms. does that sound coherent to you? >> well, first of all, what he's

saying over and over again is that he keeps citing government employees. he apparently is not visiting small businesses. he's not out talking to the firm that's on the verge of going broke. he's not talking to the people who are going to get hit by those tax increases. i talked to a business leader who said virtually everybody he knows is in a state of shock, that they can't believe how bad these policies are and that as a result he thinks that investment and creation of new jobs in this country is going to come to a halt because people who have resources are so frightened of what this government's going to do to take it away from them. sean: we just laid out at the start of this show an outline varying incomes of people and the impact that this obama health care tax is going to have, and it's very significant from people all across every income spectrum here. i think if you look at the numbers it's going to destroy new york's economy, but it's worse than that. the tax foundation did a study, mr. speaker, 39 states would

exceed 50% of people's income going to pay for taxes. how does that impact the economy? what will that do to the economy with those rates that high? >> well, there was survey last night on these questions, and interestingly they said to people what do you think businesses will do when they get hit with this kind of a tax? a third of them said they're going to lay people off. another 27% said they're going to cut salaries. so i think people are looking at this kind of thing not just in terms of the direct tax that they're going to pay, but they're looking at what it's going to do to their jobs, the businesses around them, and i think that the combination of the giant energy tax of two weeks ago and this giant health tax which is even bigger than the energy tax really has people shaking about where the future of the economy is going to be. sean: if you look at the bill, "investors business daily" had a great piece today, and under the

or wellian headline, protecting the choices to keep current coverage, they actually go into very specific detail, and what they put in here, if an individual, for example, health insurer, if you don't enroll the individual in such coverage in the first effective date of coverage, if it's on or after the first day of the year this legislation becomes law, you cannot go into a private plan. does that eliminate competition? >> well, it's estimated that 131 million americans would lose their health insurance under this plan and would be forced into government plans. 131 million, virtually half the people who are currently insured in this country. sean: the cbo which had scored the initial plan here -- they met with republicans and met with conference leaders today, and one of the things that

elmendorf from the cbo said is if this legislation that has been reported, we don't see the changes that would be necessary to reduce the trajectory of federal health spending by any significant amount, and then they go on to say that on the contrary, the legislation significantly expands the federal responsibility for health care costs, they don't know how much it's going to cost, they said, they don't know where the money is going to come from, and they don't think, and they're saying they don't think it will have the predicted results. so obama government care. what does this do to the economy? >> the congressional budget office, first of all when they scored the plan at $1 trillion had to admit they didn't have the medicare part, the medicaid part, a number of other parts. the estimate is that it's $1.5 trillion in total costs because the liberals had hidden parts of it from the congressional budget office. second i believe it was a conversation on the record today with senator conrad, the budget

chairman of the senate, where he said is there any point in this bill where you start seeing the cost of health care going down and the budget director said no, not anyplace, and i understand late today that senator conrad came out against the house bill, so now you have the democratic chairman saying he's actively opposed to the liberal bill that henry waxman and others developed in the house. sean: for people at home because people are beginning to get support for this, the zogby poll says support is slipping. to make it as simple as i can, how dangerous is the proposal by obama for government-run health care? how dangerous do you view this for the country? >> well, i think that this could be one of the things which both permanently puts power in washington, takes control over your life and gives it to a bureaucrat who can ration what kind of care you get, and so

weakens the economy with massive taxes that we don't get any kind of real economic growth for the rest of this decade into say 2020. so i would hope that everyone watching us tonight would email every friend they have on their personal email list and urge them to call their member of congress. it's very encouraging. there are a number of democrats now in rebellion against this big spending liberal bill, and if enough people call them, we may be able to beat it in the house. sean: you think so, and especially because they're trying to get this done in the next two weeks. these two weeks are critical. >> if enough people call it will be defeated. sean: thank you as always for being with us. appreciate it. coming up yesterday did mark the 30th anniversary of what may be the worst speech in presidential history. we're going to take a walk down memory lane with jimmy carter. and who's worse carter or obama?

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traveled around the country promoting his stimulus package pledging to the american people that his plan would create jobs and turn the economy around. >> my initial measure of success is creating or saving 4 million jobs. that's bottom line number one. companies that are currently struggling to borrow money selling their products, struggling to make payroll, but could find themselves in a different position once we start implementing the plan. sean: now that unemployment is 10% and the stimulus is clearly failing my next guest says that the administration is changing their story, and joining me now is fox news contributor karl rove. thanks for being with us. >> thanks for having me. sean: you heard what the president just said there. my measure of success is the 3 to 4 million jobs that are created. lawrence summers has said at the time, you quoted it in your article in the journal that we'd see an impact almost

immediately. what happened? >> the president said the money's going to go out the door right away. none of this is happening. the unemployment rate is 9.5% today. that is higher than the unemployment rate the administration forecast if we did nothing. the administration's now rather than saying that jobs are going to be created, the president said this is a two-year plan, not -- you should have not expected to have an effect in six months. we've had six months, they've spent 7.7% of the money that they appropriated. this thing is badly designed, badly executed, and not having an effect on the economy, and the economy is going to recover, but it's going to be in spite of this, not because of it. sean: i hope that's the case, but then we have the other problem because cbo said the same thing that you did, it may recover in the short term, but in the long-term, they're creating structural problems that are going to make it more difficult. explain in the article how they moved the goalpost, that what they initially said has now changed.

>> they said we're going to create jobs right away, and they said it's going to take us two years. the money is going to be spent right away and now they're saying we never anticipated that, that's a ten-year program, and we're going to spend money offer the next two years, over the next ten years. they said we're going to have a timely effect and now they're saying no, right from the beginning we expected it to be long-term. they said one thing in january and february to sell the program and now today when the program is coming up short they're trying to move the goalpost and say you need to be patient, wait for next year or later on for a positive effect. and that's just -- it's not a good stimulus measure. sean: they said unemployment wouldn't go above 8%, you pointed that out, they said we'd have an immediate impact on the economy, none of which has come true, now they're making a whole bunch of promises to the american people about health care, so my question is why would anybody believe them? why would anybody trust them?

>> i wrote a column about this. the broken promises on health care -- excuse me, on the stimulus and jobs to cause us to be very cautious about any pledges on health care. you know those old world war ii movies where the u.s. submarine captain is looking through his periscope? well that happened today with the congressional budget office saying the promises and pledges that the obama administration is making on health care cannot simply be believed. this will add to the cost of health care, not reduce it, it will make our long-term deficits worse, not better, these are the key pledges, and today the cbo hit them and blew them up. sean: they did that today, but i think very few americans know it or understand it and have been fully informed on it. i think we've got a media problem. you have been making the case both in your writing, on this program, and elsewhere that obama care is not inevitable, and you have specific advice on

how to stop socialized medicine or government-run health care. what is that advice? >> you're right. we need to draw attention to these numbers. when the american people learn that this is a $1 trillion government takeover of their health care system, that they're going to be forced into a government run health care system that's going to cost enormous sums of money and as the cbo said it's not going to do what the administration claims it's going to do, the american people are hearing about it, and they're learning about it, and the more they learn about it the less they like it, and the more p president's numbers go down and the more the numbers for his proposal go down, and that's why you're starting to see democrats scurry away from it. it's very hard to go back home and say i'm voting for a project that's going to cost $1 trillion and it won't work and it will take away your doctor and your hospital. sean: joe biden said we've got to accumulate debt to -- go

ahead. i tease. >> i loved it. it was classic. but i have one disagreement. you said obama would wince. i'm not certain he would. on january 10th obama's designated head of the council of economic advisors issues a report giving the foundation the underlying philosophy for their stimulus program, and christine romer says that for every dollar of stimulus spending there will be $1.50 of economic growth. this is not just simply biden running his mouth off, this is their official designated approach which says government can spend our way to prosperity, not by giving a short stimulus, by in essence, every dollar we spend creates $1.5. let's do a trillion worth of stimulus. sean: what are the odds that republicans will be able to -- in the -- because they fast tracked this thing, what are the odds that they're going to be able to step up to the plate and

convince the american people this is a bad idea and these are false promises, this is false home? what are the odds? >> it's not just the republicans. the american people have to convince democrats and members of the senate, at least a couple of them that this is a bad deal and they shouldn't vote for it, and the odds are getting better and better every day. sean: thanks for being with us. appreciate it. and coming up nancy pelosi's heavy handed tactics are causing a problem in the ranks. taking its rightful place

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sean: and tonight in "hannity's america," democrats are not as close to ramming a health care bill through congress as they think. some of their own colleagues may derail the legislation, mostly because nancy pelosi has excluded centrist democrats from the bill's drafting process. jim cooper said the following. >> the house health care legislation did not include blue dog thinking, and so there will be a lot of blue dog amendments that are going to be offered in the committee markup. the group of seven blue dogs is holding firm. sean: one blue dog democrat told "the hill" newspaper that the

meeting did not go well, she just kept saying it's a good bill, it's a good bill. arkansas congressman mike ross said there's no way they can pass the current bill on the house floor, not even close. well, it looks like you're going to have to go back to the drawing board, nancy, and this time you may want to think about taking a few centrist democrats with you, and who knows, maybe a couple of liberal republicans. nancy pelosi's house may be in disorder, but over on the senate side, chris dodd put on his rose-colored glasses when discussing the bill with reporters yesterday, and he is the subject of tonight's "liberal translation." >> we spend more and get less for health care system than americans deserve. this bill because of what we've done we think is going to increase access. it's going to reduce costs to individuals.

and it's going to improve the quality of health care in our country. we're going to have to make some investments to achieve those results. but we're prepared to do that. this is an important moment. we may never get a better chance to do it. sean: i noticed you didn't mention how much the bill is going to cost the american people. and by the way, maybe senator dodd, you can donate your irish cottage. that will help cover the bill. many people have asked what qualifies al franken to be a united states senator. and during the sonia sotomayor hearings yesterday that question was not answered. rather than use his time to question the nominee on her judicial philosophy, the "saturday night live" alum and failed radio talk show host instead decided to talk about a

fictional defense attorney from a tv show. this is brilliant. take a look. >> you mentioned "perry mason." i was a big fan of "perry mason." i watched it with my dad and my mom and my brother. we'd watch the clock, and we knew when it was two minutes before the half-hour that the real murderer would stand up. it was a great show. sean: what a proud moment for minnesota. this could be why the most junior member of the entire u.s. senate is generally not invited to be apart of the judicial committee. it's time once again to take a closer look at one of the many figures in president obama's shadow government. let's go now to the land of czars. ♪ meet nancy ann deparle. she has been widely criticized for her close ties to

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wish to be divided along racial lines. the very reason we have civil service rules is to root out politics, discrimination, and nepotism. sean: that was frank richie, the firefighter who successfully sued the city of new haven for racial discrimination testifying before the senate judicial committee. judge sonia sotomayor dismissed his case out of hand while serving on the second circuit court of appeals. the supreme court overturned that decision 5-4, but all nine justices agreed that the case should have been hand differently. now, frank richie and matthew markrelli join me now. let me ask one question. i'll start at the end and work my way backwards. frank, i'll start with you. do you want judge sonia sotomayor on the supreme court? >> sean, as i said today, that's really beyond my legal expertise. so my experience with her was only that much of a after.

we didn't even get a legal opinion from her, so the only thing i knew was that much, and really the sad thing was that she brought up my dyslexia, and it kind of took on a life of its own and made the case about frank richie, and whether it was about the 20 other new haven firefighters that took this case forward, it was all 20 of us standing together. sean: look, there's a lot that you testified to today, and one of the things you said, you studied harder than you ever had, you made flash cards, you were reading, listening to prepared tapes, you were a virtual absentee father, and you talked about how important this test was in terms of getting the best person for the job in that position, so in many ways sonia sotomayor denied you the promotion that you worked hard to achieve, so she didn't really provide you equal justice under

the law, did she? >> well, i think the panel denied us equal justice under the law, but thank god we live in america, and the process worked. the press actually brought it to the attention of a prominent judge who took issue with it and saw what was happening to us was wrong, and the process continued, and we went to the united states supreme court, and we were successful, and my grandmother said in america you don't always get what you deserve, sometimes you get better. sean: you got what you want in the end result, but i guess we could all say without the help of sonia sotomayor. >> well, i think this way we have to look at it is ultimately whether we got to the supreme court we got a fair hearing, and just as she's getting a fair hearing over this past week, that's what we hope to achieve. and that's what we're really happy about. it showed that our hard work paid off and ultimately the

system of checks and balances that's in place worked. sean: you said the more attention that your case got the more people tried to distort it. can youex plain that? >> well, there was a lot of things as i'm sure everybody knows, i was attacked by the left bloggers, they attacked my resume, they attacked my credibility which was very insulting, but also the city put forth this argument that no minorities would get promoted, and that was just -- it was a lie. if the city took no action you're looking at three qualified african-americans promoted to lieutenant and two qualified hispanics to captain, one happens to be my supervisor, louis rivera that i work for. everybody worked hard. it wasn't just the 20 of us. everybody who took that test applied themselves, worked hard, and the rules of the game were set, and we earned our promotioned.

sean: in many ways you became the latest version of joe, the plumber. i saw -- there was an orchestrated, well-organized -- >> i've seen frank do plumbing, and it's not too good. sean: maybe we could say we have joe, the plumber, and frank, the firefighter. but frank, it was a well-orchestrated campaign to smear you. what was that like? >> it was very disheartening. we all knew in our heart that it was lies, and so, and it was so nice and phenomenal to have counsel as well as the 20 firefighters, they came down to washington, d.c. to stand behind us today, and the outpouring of firefighters from camden, new jersey, los angeles, just all over to support us has just been unbelievable. sean: i'm listening to both of you guys, and i think you're

being very gracious, and it seems that you don't want to get too involved in the political process. matthew, i don't know if i would be as gracious as you are because sonia sotomayor, this is a lifetime appointment. she's going to impact issues of the rights of other individuals if she gets on the court, and clearly she probably would handle your case or a similar case the same way. does that bother you in that sense that if she gets this position and it appears she will, that she could do this again to somebody else? >> i would hope not, however, if you listen to her testimony as we did throughout the two days that we were there, she certainly is giving the impression that she intends not to do that, so that's all we can really hope for. sean: listen, i know you're really -- you guys -- if i'm in a fire or if i need rescue, i want both of you guys there, i can tell you're really good at your job, i think i'm pretty

good at analyzing the political word, and i refer to her as the judge that used to be known as sonia sotomayor because i see an entirely different individual testifies that wants a job on the supreme court versus the person that i once saw in some of the comments she made, and some of the positions she held. does that concern you, frank, at all? >> sean, to be honest, our family sacrificed so much even coming down to washington this week, in preparing for testimony, i really didn't get to see a lot of the testimony. my son won the soapbox derby, we're going to ohio next week, and i'm looking forward to focussing on him for a week instead of me. sean: in all honesty, you guys work really hard, i mean to me this is the american dream. you studied, you prepared, you worked really hard, you were denied your opportunity, and yet in the end you won out because you persevered.

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>> i think it has already begun and the honeymoon is over. a little bit more than six months and rasmussen had a pole that came out today, approval is 32%, it's dropped eight points, i think people are saying i'm not so sure this is what i thought i was voting for. sean: and most people are saying that they don't think the stimulus is working, and for the first time in a number of years, on eight of the top ten issues republicans are outperforming democrats, penny lee. >> no. sean: yes, actually, that's a rasmussen poll. >> but they're saying they would prefer the democrats in congress to take care of some of the things that are most needed, and that includes health care. the american people have said -- sean: even health care republicans -- >> if you were a mother whose child has cerebral palsy and they said we can't cover you anymore, you want reform. if you're one of the millions of americans who have said i have a precondition, i'm not covered, you want reform. sean: that's a difference. you're talking about obama care. when you look at these numbers.

1.6 trillion, and we all know it's always going to be hire been than what they say, so don't you think after the stimulus, omnibus, quadrupling the debt that it's too much money. >> we have to change the dynamics. i agree we need to control the costs. it is right -- >> there's a line out here. there's a line, and i think you all know it, and the american people did not vote for this, and they're not going to take it. you've seen the tea parties, the vote in california, you have a gubernatorial election in new jersey. they should be concerned. they're good predictors. the fact is a lot of people, a lot of moderates, ticket splitters, pro business democrats did not sign up for this, and they're not happy. the house democrats are a different crowd. >> two bodies here, both the house and the senate. this is not exactly obama care yet. they are still trying to work it out. what we have to do is control

the cost but also expand the coverage. >> there's also a real good chance that it won't even come to a vote because the senate bill is still being percolated out there and who in the house wants to put their john henry on anything that has a $1 trillion price tag on it. sean: 52 blue dog democrats, fiscally conservative democrats are saying no way because they see their political careers evaporating before their eyes, so there is an internal debate. do you think it's going to go further than where it is now? will they ultimately stand up to nancy pelosi and barack obama? >> i think the jury is still out, and a lot depends on the sense that they get from their constituents. one of the things in the case now, everybody's got email, everybody knows how to get to dot gov, and people are going to take a look at this. simply the price tag. the price tag itself has been the headline. sean: this one thing that we do know in the health care bill is

that it's going to literally -- the bill says, investors business daily had an article. it says if you don't have your insurance the year in is implemented you can't have a private insurance company, so that will end private insurance. >> how many blue dogs became yellow dogs when it came to stimulus. some of them are becoming yellow when it comes to card check. and cap and trade. i think -- look, there's a lot of seats out there, and you know it very well. there's a couple of dozen seats that could flip the other way. and i think they understand it. they're hearing from gov, they're hearing from twitter, the internet, they're hearing from tea parties, the "hannity" show, they're hearing from it, and they better pay attention. >> i don't know what color the dogs are in the pound, but any legislation that's going to put a small business owner and small business is the growth engine of this country -- going to put a small business in the position

of saying i can't have this many employees because i can't afford it. sean: i want you comment on the comment joe biden said. he said we're going to go bankrupt as a nation, and he's saying that basically we're going to have to spend money to keep from going bankrupt. wait a minute. >> i can't understand that. >> i don't know what that means. >> in is one of those times, that's just the governor being the governor. that's just joe being joe. sean: a week ago he said we misread the economy and everybody guessed wrong. >> do you love the president's face when they ask him about comments from the vice president? >> i'm going to let him stand on those comments. sean: all right. well zogby is pointing out that support for health care is collapsing, 50% of health care say they don't want it, and rasmussen says 80% of americans realize that this is a tax increase for the middle class, so i think that's what you're saying, that's where the big problem comes in. >> it's both in terms of wage earners. we're talking a 35 to 45%

increase if you're in the top tax bracket, but also the loss of jobs, so maybe you're the business owner, and you've got to cut back on your business. it's hard for me to see where that is a growth engine for a nation that desperately needs growth in business. sean: the point is, penny, you defend him, but he is a radical. >> he's not a radical. he's changing the debate, and he's trying to move our country forward. we can't live without health care reform. sean: actually, we can. we could. we would survive. >> it has to have health care reform. it absolutely does. >> we could write a better bill than this. >> there's still tweaks to be made. >> it's a disaster. sean: we're going to take a break. more with our "great american panel" straight ahead. .

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sean: we continue with our panel. we are already looking to 2012 and 72% of republicans in a gallup poll has a favorable opinion of sarah palin, mike huckabee, 59. >> i think she would be a great president. we have three years before an election happens.

sean: the you think that it is in treat and not electability? >> i think that it is but i think that people like a boxer. sean: what if we told you years ago that we had a candidate that would have associated with a terrorist. >> three years ago, giuliani was the front runner. >> some of the issues that governor palin has is whether she has experience. the same questions were asked of president obama. when he changed the debate is that this is about judgment. people are questioned her

spirits and her judgment. she needs to start moving into the front page and not the entertainment page. >> she has a following. there are other serious candidates out there. mitt romney is probably the front runner and no one is talking about him. sean: i think that newt gingrich is up there. >> is a summertime poll three years out. don't read into it. >> she is interesting. >> i say, nominator her. sean: there are certain people that just connect with an audience. i remember watching arnold schwarzenegger give a speech, he was entertaining, informative. i have watched her connect with an audience. it is a real connection.

>> rudy giuliani did that as well and this does not translate into votes in the primaries. >sean: if the economy continues to decline under barack obama, whoever the republican candidate is will have a great shot. iif there is an incident of national security, every decision he has made about cutting back on missile defense, all the things that we have discussed in detail, that will impact him as well >> it depends on what the outcome is. if there's a possibility that there will be bombings and it stops before anything happens, it will be applause goes around. what if it is a different kind of situation? >> look at president herbert walker bush, he went from 90% in the iraq war and he lost 18 months later.

the governor definitely has a connect ability and a way to relate to an audience which is really driving her pack o popularity. >> the herding of small businesses would be the third on my list. sean: who gets the nomination? >> i think mitt romney. >> i think mitt romney as well. >> at this time, mitt romney. sean: would he take you as vice president? >> i could get you in trouble. sean: you notice that he did not include his wife in the name of the show. [unintelligible] i host my show alone.