but we won't know until they have a chance to look at the pictures. jon: chris, thanks. jane: that is it. martha: happy friday. we are in the newsroom and this is the live desk. we have harris faulkner watching with us right here. harris: good to be here. this is where it all begins. sometimes you see me running around with martha and trace. but these are among the people working from the inside. you always hear me say i'm making calls and these are the people that i'm hanging out. international desk this, is where it all happens. martha: so watch the three boxes on the right-hand side. this is where you can see some of the latest video that we have. that is just a heartbreak picture on its own steve mcnair with his wife before the tragic

death and the girlfriend who was found dead. now we have federal prosecutors about to hold a news conference in the murder of the ex-nfl player and superstar. the associated press is telling us that the feds have a convicted felon under arrest for providing the gun to mcnair's girlfriend that killed him. as soon as that is under way we will tell you what the latest is in that. look at the middle box. these are the incredible pictures that we are getting from space of a back flip for the shuttle. an incredible maneuver and you never get tired of it because it is an amazing machine. this is what it is designed to do. they are checking the underbelly of the shuttle to see if there was significant damage from the launch. within the hour we will try it get more information on what shape it is in. we will have that for you live and a look at some of the apollo

space mission. in the bottom box twin terror attacks out of indonesia and we are getting new pictures in for you of exactly what happened there. eight people were killed, at least eight americans among those wounded in the attack and harris has more details on that. harris: we have been talking about this is an area that attracts westerners. details on the bombings in two different hotels. early suspicions point at southeast asian islamic group jemaah islam yachlt this is actually from -- islam yachlt this is from the j.w. marriott as the attack was happening. you see a man in a white shirt walking across the lobby in the center of the scream then the blast hits lifting the guy right off his feet throwing him into the air. others run for cover as the dust and smoke fill the room. the after mamath, blown out

windows, sealceilings. a bloody mess. joining us is katie sargent. i understand some of the victims were taken to where you are for treatment. >> that's right, harris. there's been a number of people brought here to singapore. two have arrived so far including one american. we don't have any details on his identity or the extent or even if it is a he, of the extent of the injuries to this person. another person is expected to arrive at this hour and we are expecting at least five more victims to be brought to singapore for further treatment. we understand that they are a mix of nationalities and we can only confirm one of them is an american. there is also said to be australians among them but we don't have too many details about the victims or extent of their injuries. harris: the area where this happened where the marriott and ritz-carlton are located is an

upscale shopping area. i know some of them have to be talking about the fact they were so caught off guard, bombers dressing themselves and posing as guests at the western-attracting hotels. >> that has to an big concern. there is security at these hotels, there are metal detectors, cars are checked but at the same time these are hotels. it is part of the hospitality industry and people have to be able to come and go and to conduct business with a reasonable amount of ability to go about their business freely. so, it is very disturbing that we are getting reports that the bombers actually were able to check into the hotel, spend two days there, somehow get these materials in and put these bombs together and put them in place in order to do this carnage. harris: i read at the j.w. marriott they used a room on the 18th floor to put it together before they set it off.

katie sargent. thank. martha: in tehran there is a new showdown in the streets. that situation is still extremely volatile and with everything else going on you can lose sight. on the one side thousands of supporters of opposition leader mir hussain mousavi. on the other militia armed with tear gas. police charging the protesters who were chanting death to the dictator and calling on ahmadinejad to resign all this outside of the main prayer service. inside that service one of the country's top clerics was speaking and he's a key player in this. hashe hashemi rafsanjani has been very outspoken as a supporter of mousavi which is a perilous position. he's criticized the government handling of the disputed presidential elections. he says his fellow her ricks and

he is -- clerics that they need to listen to the complaints of the people in the street and he's calling for a day of national unity. let's look at some other pictures. pope benedict xvi emerging from the hospital today. he was all smiles. he underwent a short surgery. he fell at his alpine vacation chalet and broke his wrist. he is 82. the vatican spokesman says it has not slowed him down. >> following a fall in his room last night the holy father sustained a light fracture of the right wrist. this morning the holy father nonetheless celebrated mass and breakfast before being accompanied to the hospital where it was discovered that he had a live fracture. the wrist was immobilized. martha: when the pope is

involved it gets a lot of attention. br greg is live there. people on edge that the pope was headed for the hospital. >> definitely. i think that any time a pope goes to the hospital unless it is to visit children as they do sometimes around christmas, people are on edge. they get a little bit nervous. certainly when the pope is 82 years old that is the case. so, both people here in the vatican, journalists and anybody traveling with him up there quite nervous. however, there were a couple of signs that this couldn't have been too serious. the fact that he walked into the hospital on his own was actually quite positive, of course. then the fact that they came out

pretty quickly saying that he had fallen and was not because of sickness. he tripped or slipped. that was the reason for the fall. then the fact that the surgery was just 20 minutes and he was out and smiling. so, certainly a lot of apprehension at the beginning of the day but sigh of relief now as the pope comes out but with a cast on his arm. martha: he certainly looked very spry when we saw him walk out of the hospital this morning. greg burke from rome. thank you. harris: this is a hot topic in washington and all over the country the latest from the healthcare overhaul from washington. one house committee approving a portion of the democratic version but the c.b.o. says the goal of decreasing costs is not going to happen. those will not be met. if you are wondering what universal healthcare might look like some are glance being in the way of massachusetts. they are struggling with its own universal program. it faces cuts. molly line joins us with more on how it is working there. >> that's always been the big question in massachusetts is how it will be paid for in the long

run. right now massachusetts is facing a tough financial situation. there's been a loss of revenue and there is a budget shortfall. legislators are set to cut people from the program. 30,000 legal tax-paying immigrants are being dropped because the state doesn't receive matching funds for that group. cutting them is expected to save the state an estimated $130 million. but the governor is urging lawmakers to find some sort of compromise to still cover them but to a lesser extent and lesser cost. >> we are talking about hard-working tax-paying residents who are contributing to the system and we think it is only fair if healthcare for all is really for all. >> healthcare advocates argue this increase in uninsured residents won't reduce costs but shift it to medical providers already under a significant amount of stress. boston medical center announced it is suing the state of massachusetts over the universal

healthcare law citing financial burden. the complaint argues that the hospital is required to provide care to low income patients but the state is only reimbursing about 64 cents on the dollar so they are arguing they are underfunded by the state failing to cover the costor medicaid, for the subsidized program here and those uninsured. the political will behind universal healthcare in massachusetts still exists. lawmakers would like to see the program continue. it is just a big challenge to find the money to make sure it can continue. martha: interesting topic considering healthcare is so hot. the vice president is at it again. some say it is just the latest in a string of statements that may have him in increasingly hot water at the white house. and this video for you of the mass blast, a tanker truck exploding sparking frantic 911 calls.

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harris: top box that you see president obama east chief chick advisor saying the country has moved back from the brink of economic catastrophe.

as the labor department says unemployment broke the 10% mark in 16 states. 0 michigan's unemployment over 15%. you have the car makers there that have been laying people off for months. that hasn't happened in more than 30 years. in the middle box the shuttle endeavour completing a back flip in space. martha and i love watching this video. allowing nasa to check the heat shield for damage. that is a live picture. i love it! it is set to dock at the international space station within the hour. backfliping. bottom box, after taking $45 from the government, your tax dollars, citigroup reports a $3 billion second quarter profit. that is instead of the monster loss analysts expected. martha: bailout is working

pretty well. harris: we are learning more about the fiery tanker crash along interstate 75 outside of detroit. it was earlier this week but smoke was still showing yesterday. then they sent three guys from the ntsb. let's look. this is brand-new at the moment of impact. this surveillance video taken from a nearby gas station. you can see the flames shooting high into the air then all of the black smoke rising. people at the station saying it was kind of hard to breathe at times due to the smoke. amazingly, no one died, but as you can tell from the cell phone video that we showed you yesterday the flames were so intense, the wreck caused major traffic problems but the man who police say lost control of his car and caused the tanker to crash is offering no apologies. listen to what he told the local fox affiliate, wjbk.

>> apology or anything you want to say to anybody? >> no, ma'am. >> just a mistake? >> i don't think i made a mistake. right now. >> ok. did you cut off the driver? >> no comment. >> do you -- >> i gave an official statement to the police. you can find out what happened. harris: you are a regular citizen. do you often give official statements. he and two others only suffered minor injuries. martha: we have been talking about healthcare and everybody is talking about it across the country and it could cost much more now than the trillion dollars that was the most recent estimate. the deficit is up in that trillion territory but the white house is determined they want to see the program get through and they want to hang in there with the stimulus package to get their economic vision in place and they need to get it passed, they believe, over the next few weeks. critics say that that cost could

cripple the economy. joe biden paints his own dire picture that he sees as the possibility. >> even if we wanted to keep it the way we have it now, you can't do it financially. we are going to go bankrupt as a nati nation. when i say that people say what are you talking about, joe? you tell me we have to spend money to keep from going bankrupt? yes, i'm telling you. martha: our managing editor great to have you in new york. welcome. >> thank you. martha: it is sort of the end that caught people's attention when joe biden says what do you mean we have to spend more to get ourselves out of this economic problem and i say yeah, we do. that makes people go well, maybe would like to see another stimulus program. >> joe biden is basically saying we need to pass healthcare or we will go bankrupt. at precisely the moment when the nation seems to be saying if we

don't pass healthcare we will go bankrupt. the congressional budget office which is nonpartisan just came out and said this plan will make healthcare more expensive, not less expensive. the house just came out with its version, they are trying to keep it under a trillion dollars, guess what, their version is $1.5 trillion. so it is going in the wrong direction. the deficit projections are expected to quadruple next year, the poll numbers are slipping. healthcare is in trouble and biden is not helping it by saying we need to pass healthcare to prevent us from going bankrupt. the american people want the administration to fix the economy much more than they want the administration to nationalize healthcare. martha: there are democrats who say you guys are not helping us sell this program very well and they have complained that the president isn't helping to sell it, now joe biden talks about how much more we need to spend to solve the problem.

talk to me about the p.r. at the white house. are they doing a good job to get the message out? >> it would be a saj says to say there is a whiff of desperation but they are getting panicky. he realizes he has a finite amount of political capital and the air is seeping out of the balloon and he knows if he doesn't get this package passed before they go on recess, the chances of it passing when they get back from recess drop off precipitously. so, there is a little bit of panic in the air and they want to get it done and it is not happening. martha: bill sammon, pleasure to have you here. harris: breaking details in the murder of steve mcnair. he is the ex-nfl quarterback. his girlfriend shot him and shot herself. now the feds say an arrest has been made. who they have and why coming up. plus it is the season for

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making it all a bit easier -- now that's progressive! call or click today. harris: a very busy day in the newsroom. top box that half hour away from an update on the murder of former nfl quarterback steve mcnair. we are told it involves the murder weapon. they wanted to know who had sold the girlfriend the gun that was used to kill mcnair and she turned on herself. the a.t.f. wanted to know who the person is. the a.p. says a convicted felon

is under arrest. middle box a federal judge has dismissed the civil insider trading lawsuit against dallas mavericks owner mark cuban saying the s.e.c gave the s.e.c third days to file a new amended complaint. s.e.c saying cuban avoided a $750,000 loss selling shares after receiving a tip, confidential information. bottom box, eight dead in indonesia bombings, two hotels bombed, eight americans injured. an expert in the region joins us in a few minutes to tell us about the group that all things are pointing to. they are not saying definitely it is this group that has ties to al qaeda but they are saying a lot points to them. we want to know more and we will tell you with our expert. >> would you like to be president? >> i do not know what the future holds. i want to work right now for people who are going to work in

office or out of office for the right things. martha: while sarah palin continues to grab the headlines the man who lost the g.o.p. nomination last time is quietly sneaking past her in the polls for this still far, far away race. but everybody is already talking about it. mi mitt romney leading by 5% according to these numbers. is it good to be this far out this early on? many in early front-runner has flamed out as we know. we will take the temperature and look at some of the players with a former senior advisor to the romney campaign along with juan willia williams. welcome, everybody. phil, having worked with the romney camp what do you think in the numbers? >> i think they are very good news for mitt romney in the context if you look behind them,

a lot of the negative impression of governor romney that maybe existed with the american people as he suspended his campaign is largely dissipated. so his favorability has shifted. to be honest with you, after getting out of the presidential campaign there couldn't have been a bigger champion for the mccain ticket than romney and he worked very hard to help elect republicans. his stock has gone up. martha: i think one reason the stock has gone up is we fell into such economic turmoil and that wasn't really anticipated at the time he starting to slip. it was much more on iraq and iran and that helped jump mccain. when you look at mitt romney's experience in business that might be one thing they look at to say maybe he would have been good. >> remember that mitt authored a book about his experience at the olympics and a lot of people look to him as the ultimate turnaround artist.

so, if our country is in a situation -- you led the segment right, this is so far out. but if we are in a situation in a couple of years where we have not come out of this economic collapse, if we are still struggling and we need somebody who understands business i think people will gravitate toward him. martha: but you think he is not the guy. you think we need an iron lady. >> you have to look at the republican primary field. romney has the substance area cornered and i think that is what republicans are hungry for. but sarah palin has the emotional side and huckabee has the spiritual side. romney did a bit of a reinvention madonna style and he will take you for healthcare i don't think that plan will sink in. there are cost issues with his universal healthcare plan and people are calling it bad policy choices. but when you look at the

republican party right now, this is bigger than just the direction of the economy. this is the direction of the country is at stake right now. everything that we know and i'm not sure that mitt romney that is the one, that can really rally the base. martha: it is interesting because was in favor of the initial bailout of the financial services industry. he was not in favor of the auto bailout. juan, when you look at the players out there, you have annuinewt gingrich who is sticking to policy and writing books. a lot of people would like to see sarah palin do a little more of that. and mitt romney is doing his economic thing and making appearances and raising a lot of money. >> good point. he has the money rolling in. in large part bus people see that he has the business acumen. they like the idea with somebody with business skill and made the olympics a success in utah might

have something to say about the way the economy is going national thely especially with -- nationally especially with jobs and the deficit. one thing i would say about the poll is don't forget the people at the low end. you have haley barbour from mississippi, tim pawlenty from minnesota. i think you will see as people are more familiar with them and their executive experience and stand on taxes that they are going to come up. so i think it is interesting, this is a rich field and i think that contrary to what i heard earlier i don't think people had a negative feeling about mitt romney after the election. there was some question about his being a mormon and all that. but i think mitt romney has come out with a better reputation, people have a better feeling about him now than they might have had during the 2008 campaign. martha: i'm sure people would be glad to think it is a rich field. some think it not.

>> i think that juan is exactly right. i think that there is going to be a lot of fluidity and he makes a good point. viewers should watch the field. it is very flexible. but romney has reversed the image he had about a year ago. martha: it is a land far, far away but everybody has to think about what is coming down the pipeline. it may be tough to be far out front at this stage. thank you very much. great panel. have a great weekend. harris: eight dead in dual bomb blasts. americans injured in the explosions that rock indonesia's capital. the first attackses there in four years. an expert on the region with some great insight on who could be behind it. looking for cheap summer getaway pla plans? there are some great places perhaps in your own hometown. san francisco has a new one.

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harris: now new developments on the top stories we are watching. pro-life lawmakers are saying the new healthcare bill could have taxpayers footing the bill for abortions. >> pro-life republicans and democrats say so far there is no language in the initial house and senate write-ups of healthcare legislation prohibiting taxpayer dollars from funding abortion services. without that specific language they contend the number of abortions will increase. pro-choice lawmakers say abortion is a legal medical procedure and the government shouldn't be telling insurers they can't cover it. harris: right over here is claudia cow could yowan. we need cheap ways on how to

have fun on the vacation. >> tough times have vacationers looking for cheap offbeat destinations and this summer business is brisk at the spam museum in minnesota and sewage treatment plant in san francisco. travel guide books are offering new itineraries highlighting for instance how to make most of the polygamy tour in utah. harris: summer seems like it is slipping away. >> it is but it will be back for the weekend. now severe weather, one box in effect until 5:00 p.m. that has caused a lot of wind damage in parts of virginia, heading to virginia beach. a lot of rain toward the northeast and overnight hours. it will be out by tomorrow and it will be a nice sunny weekend. one other piece of very good news, watching the heat in much of the plains. 84 in dallas. that is a very that's

improvement. harris: my parents say thank you because it has been quite steamy in big d. that is the news whip. now to martha. martha: we are learning more about the people responsible for the deadly bombing of two indonesian hotels. they stayed at the marriott and ritz-carlton hotels and were guests at the hotels for days. the bombs planted in restaurants killed at least eight people. secretary of state hillary clinton is releasing a statement saying this act reminds us all of the threat of terrorism and that it remains very real. the group under suspicion for this attack is jemaah islamiyah. you may have heard their name. it is the same organization that bombed this identical marriott, can you imagine the audacity to come back to the same target. we have seen al qaeda do that. and this is a group linked to al qaeda, believed to be.

that bombing killed 12 at the marriott then. the group claims responsibility for an attack in jakarta in 2002 and bali in a nightclub in 2005. joining us is the director of the asian study center at heritage foundation. as hillary clinton says, this is a reminder that there are a lot of people out there who want to hit western targets and this group the past several years has become quite good at it. >> yes, in fact it is a reminder that no matter how much you do there is still a prospect that you can still get hit. indonesians, up until yesterday, would have been praised on a show like this for how much progress they were making. there were hundreds of these guys arrested and killed and executed some of them but there is another player on the field, jemaah islamiyah. martha: their tactics are very

similar to al qaeda, which they have been linked with. you look at this. simultaneous bombing within minutes of each other. this is the kind of attack that creates a lot of terror and many casualties in this case. what do we know about the organization, who they are linked to, who is supporting them financially? >> well, it is a transnational group so it is involved throughout southeast asia. very loosely connected group. they are able to carry things out in various cell operations and very low cost. this operation didn't cost very much money. neither did think of the ones from 2002 to 2005. so, financing is really not that important an issue either. in large measure this is probably splinters of a larger group even which becomes more complicated to track. harris: i'm wondering how these

groups would even talk with al qaeda at this point. we see tapes coming out but is there any indication they would have gotten any direction from that group? >> i don't think they need direction. i think that they have developed this indigenous capacity to deal with this. in some of the reports i'm reading they say there was very little chatter if no chatter at all on cell phones that are usually caught before an attack like this. so, they are adapting to the environment, finding new ways to do these things. and it is a competition we have to keep up with. martha: walter loman, thank you very much. harris: this is so exciting. pulling into port not like parking your car. about 200 miles above the surface of the earth the shuttle endeavour docking at the international space station. we are told they are about 30 feet apart. when you come back in about three minutes maybe we can see them kiss. stay close.

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harris: here is what we are watching right now. here is something you don't often hear. tiger woods struggling to make the cut at the british open? my husband has to be salivating. he came in the open as an overwhelming favorite to win the 15th major. he may not make the cut. it happens. at six over par. how is your game. sonia sotomayor getting her

first public support from senate republicans. senator richard liugalugar, mel martinez of florida. the lone hispanic and olympia snowe all announcing they will vote in favor of sotomayor. bottom box, typhoon rail services for the -- funeral service for the florida adaptive parents murdered. martha: we have been showing you these pictures right now about 250 miles above the surface of the earth. working hard up there. endeavour about to dock with the international space station. this is the live shot. only about an hour ago it performed this feat. it does a back flickflip so we e if there is any damage allowing the crew members to get hundreds of pictures of the underbelly of the shuttle. that way they can see if any of

the tiles that broke off during the launch may be problematic during re-entry as it goes through the heat shield. that is always a concern given some of the tragedies we have seen in the past with the shuttle. a large amount of foam we are told peeled away during wednesday's liftoff and it deemed the -- dinged the tiles so nasa wants to make sure it doesn't cause problems. this is the original launch where you can see some of the debris flying in between the vehicle and the fuel danktanks. chris guttierrez is live in dallas. explain exactly what they are looking for during that pitch maneuver. and we will have live shots as they seek to connect. >> the pitch maneuver became standard procedure in 2003. essentially they look at several main key areas. the nose of the orbiter, decree

reinforced carbon, the leading edge is what doomed the columbia mission in 2003 when something the size of a briefcase smacked into the foam and hit the leading edge. they are looking at the heat tiles on the belly of the orbiter where we learned during the launch a few days ago some pieces of foam came off. what is troubling to engineers in houston at the johnson space center is that it came from a part of the external fuel tank up in here called the inner fuel tank. it is little strips of foam. it is an area they have never seen a strip before. so, when the pieces came off and hit the orbiter, it concerns them because of the location of where it came from. as far as the damage, we don't really think it is significant. it is kind of described as more of a scrape and losing some coating of the heat tiles but

they don't think it will cause a major concern on re-entry. martha: chris, thank you. that is an image of what the dock being looks leak that is coming in from nasa. look at this quote from our next guest, charms krales krauthamme. the writer once wrote if you told a physicist in the year 1899 that within 100 years human kind would travel to the moon and then lose interest, the physicist would have almost certainly pronounce you mad. in 2000 i quoted these lines expressing the incredulity at america's abandonment of the moon. now it is 2009 and the moon receivr recedes ever further. charles, welcome. great to have you with us today.

>> it is a pleasure to be with you. martha: the piece you wrote was so beautiful and it talked about in many ways and specifically echoed what president kennedy said, we don't go to the moon because it is easy. and you are concerned that the current president and this has been ongoing before that, has lost interest in the sort of magnetism of what is out in space and the importance of seeking it. >> i think that the whole country has lost interest. that is why for almost four decades now we have been spinning around in low orbit. there is nothing wrong but we have not gone back to the magazi magnificence of the moon journeys. the shuttles we are watching now are about to be be retired. in 14 months you will no longer have any more shultttles, we wi no longer have the ability to

put a man in orbit let alone the moon. we are going to be grounded. we will have to hitch a ride with the russians or beg the chinese. and for america, which was the first to go and went all the way to the moon at a time when it was unbelievably risky and difficult and to succeed, and for us to now be almost a half century later unable to go into earth orbit after next year is quite astonishing and it says a lot about the american spirit. that there was something there a half century ago that is no longer will. martha: this is the connection of the ichi.s.s. and the shuttls they join together. charles, it is worth pointing out this is just about 200 miles before the earth. the moon is more than 200,000 miles away and mars is way

beyond that. talk to me about at one point in the piece you said take your face out of your blackberry tonight and look up at the moon and just think about the fact that all of these things have made us so earth-bound that we are forgetting to care about what else is out there. >> that is what is so interesting. we saw in the 1950's and 1960's high technology as putting us as a space-faring nation like magellan and columbus. now in some ways it ironic because one of the things brought home by the moon program was apollo 8's famous shot of the little blue planet that they shot from lunar orbit, and that gave a sense to the ecological movement at home, it gave a sense of earth as small and precious. and in a sense it made us leave

outer space, no honger have so much -- no longer have so much interest in outer space and return to the planet and that is where we have been, in high tech that involves computers, networking and technology but not the glory of exploring. that is what has changed and i think that the moon is a rebuke. martha: you make excellent points we are alwazheimer's astonished -- -- we are always astonished at the different topics and we appreciate it. >> that is because i love this stuff. i can't get over it. martha: i'm right there with you. we are looking at these shots from nasa at the connection. keep it right here on fox tonight and help celebrate the anniversary of man walking on the moon and take yourself back and remember how significant, how monumental that moment was. we will show you things that you have never seen in terms of the moments of stepping on the moon

and what was being said at nasa in command control. greta van susteren will host that. one small step to our future. we hope that is in our future. harris: president obama's plan for universal healthcare, the mission you might say, some recess looming and can democrats and republicans find common ground? ♪ weekendville, togetherville, tastyville, feed your summer fun with the full, juicy flavor of johnsonville sausage.

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energy source." i need more energy and want to live longer. why do they connect? >> there is really three things that are affected by calorie restriction is what they call it. number one, cellular reproduction. when you slow down the cellular process you slow down the aging process. number two, the thyroid. think of your heart as the motor of your body but the thyroid is the thermostat. so when you lower that thermostat you can prolong life. number three is metabolic how to slow down the metabolism which i really don't like because keeping it up helps you be leaner but they show slightly slowing it down will help us live longer and more importantly live healthier. harris: so, you say i can eat less and not feel hungry. how do you do that? >> that is the tough part. i really think it has to do with

protein because protein is the most difficult to digest. if we consume more procetein th is low fat dairy, leg gums, a lot of different things. that helps us feel full longer. that is what researchers are grappling with. how to calorie restrict which is approximately about 25% less than you may be eating right now. for most women who eat about 1,600 that would bring you down to around 1,200. and how you do that and not fight the hunger which any of us who have been on a diet have experienced. harris: jim, thank you very much. appreciate it. >> definitely have more energy, sure. harris: i'm hungry. martha: a little edgy because you have not eaten. harris: i'm hungry. martha: coming up a firestorm of

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new stories and breaking news. i want to bring you up to speed on something we have been watching, steve mcnair, the one killed by his girlfriend on july 4, police say she shot him several times and turned the gun on herself. big developments as the a.t.f. arrest as convicted felon who they say sold or gave the gun to the woman who you see pictured here with steve mcnair -- or was there, his girlfriend. as we learn more, they are making media availability. reporters will be able to ask questions as we learn more and we want you to know we are watching that story very closely. martha: there are new details to tell but right now on healthcare reform. democrats pushing closer to the president's goal of getting this legislation passed today but they are not there yet. there is a lot of work left to be done to get the bill out before the august recess which

the president has said he would like to see happen. house ways an means committee stayed up past midnight looking for ways to pay for all of this and that must have taken them a while. about 1:30 a.m. they agreed to raise an additional $544 billion and guess how they decided to do it. raising taxes. there's an idea. nancy pelosi just came out to talk about this. who was she with, carl, and tell them what she had to say. >> she assembled the democratic leadership and chairs of a number of the relevant committees including those two that worked overnight and got stuff passed. the $544 billion in tax hikes is interesting and ironic in the sense that speaker pelosi yesterday said she thought there was a way in which the healthcare reform could be done without raising taxes because it could be paid for with cost savings. the principal objection of republicans is there is not enough cost savings and there

are tax increases as passed by the house ways and means committee last night. with all of the opposition particularly from republicans but fiscally conservative democrats, the blue dogs, pelosi find herself under increasing pressure to make a timetable. today when she had that circumstance with her people this she was the picture of optimism. listen to this. >> we are in very excellent shape. this is the legislative process where, as the bill takes shape people says as it comes more clearly into focus an as committees have acted here are suggestions to the next step. this is the wholesome dynamism of what we do here. this is what we came to do, many of us, in our careers to come here to pass hotel care reform for all americans. >> wholesome dynamism.

a lot of folks think congress sometimes runs afoul of wholesome dynamism and spends taxpayer money on stuff the way they should not. there are republicans that believe this is happening too fa fast, taxes would go up too much. there are conservative democrats particularly after yesterday who are voicing some concerns. the president of the freshman class of house of representatives a democrat sent a letter to his leaders and the president saying we need to be more cautious about this. just yesterday the director of the congressional budget office a nonpartisan organization of congressional researchers, went through this and concluded that, contrary to the president's promise that they can cut the cost of healthcare and not balloon the deficit and increase the national debt, what they are proposing would do both of those according to the c.b.o. martha: those are the number guys that come through to rain on the parade. carl, talk about the senate side. because i heard olympia knowe

saying -- snowe saying i will take my time. there are folks out there including snowe who want to see it just slow down. >> yes. as a republican senator snowe is particularly important because she is often one of the moderates who sort of craft deals breaking ranks with republican leadership and working with the moderates and the democratic side. this morning there was a letter written to the president, to the house national and leadership from ron widen, joe lebronman, susan collins of maine and ben nelson democrat of nebraska, letter to the leadership saying no more rushing. this has to be slowed down and stopped. in essence there is only one more committee left that has any hope at all of passing anything other than a straight party line partisan vote. it has been passed pretty much on democratic party majorities. the finance committee under max

baucus of montana is still working with the republicans but last night they said we are making lots of progress and proceeded to take today and the weekend off. there is a timetable crunch and the idea that the finance committee is the only one with the republicans still at the table working and took extra time and will resume next week suggests they really are falling behind here and have begun to recognize it. martha: the wholesome dime iism continues in some -- dynamism continues. harris: this is bubbled to the top. critics from both sides saying the current bills mandate coverageor abortion and virtually all the health plans. pro-life members of congress object to taxpayer money going to abortions. monthlily henneberg is live in -- molly henneberg is live in washington. >> pro live lawmakers want it to

say taxpayer dollars can't be used to pay for abortions and they are concerned about what the legislation as it stands now could mean. >> the american taxpayer money will be used to subsidize insurance that will pay for abortions. >> unless it miexplicitly exclus abortion it will be forced on every health plan. >> so far there are amendments to add the language that have failed. harris: it will get interesting because so pro-life democrats are warning pelosi that they are not going to vote for this bill. they have a big problem with this. >> right. 19 pro-life democrats led by dan bourne and bard stupak said we could not support healthcare reform proechposal unless it --

>> pelosi said these issues will be worked out during the legislative process. harris: this will be one conversation we will watch closely. molly, thank you. martha: we are watching the wires and what is crossing is that the president is going to make some comments on healthcare and the whole country will be watching that very closely. it is the hottest debate right now. 3:15 today we expect him to make comments on healthcare and we will bring that to you live right here from the fox news newsroom. a teenage gathering ends in a tragedy. 16-year-old sofia palma shot and kill at a party with her friends. police releasing this frantic 911 call. martha: that led to any questions about who pulled the trigger and why. also coming up the senate

passing new sweeping hate crimes legislation but does it take away any of your rights to free speech? that is a serious issue and we will bring it to you next. i never thought i would have a heart attack, but i did, and i died.

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martha: these are the latest pictures. in the top box pope benedict xvi undergoing surge are afry for a

wrist. he fell at his vacation chalet. it happened in his room overnight. despite that, he celebrated mass, had breakfast and decided to go to the hospital and his arm will be in a cast the next month. but he made a smiling appearance after that was over. in the middle box bernie madoff's accountant pleading not guilty to securities traud. prosecutors say david friehling rubber-stamped madoff's books 17 years without checking to see if they were accurate. he is the only person facing criminal charges in connection with the largest financial scam in the history of the country. in the bottom box we have been looking at live shots from endeavour making contact with the dock at the i.s.s. we have shots at mission control we will show you in a moment. meantime, the horrifying death of a 16-year-old arizona girl,

sofia palm air shot and killa s. we played the tape of raul garcia frantically calling for help. >> martha: so awful to listen to and that girl lost her life. she was 16. there is a twist to this. you heard raul garcia on the

tape saying we don't know, we just got here as if he doesn't know what is going on. but now police say that it was the gun that he fired that shot her and it was apparently, according to what they know at this point, a tragic accident. the officers say garcia found the gun, removed the magazine with the bullets and he didn't realize there was one more in the chamber when he pointed at her and pulled the trigger and this is what can happen when children get their hands on guns, young teenagers, it was in the house and i feel like this is one too many stories you hear of this. harris: what is so odd he would have the peninsula of mind to lie in the middle of her losing her life. i don't know. that really jarred me. the first time i heard this he just thought that up on the fly like that like ok before i call 911 let me come one a alibi. martha: he knew he was talking to the police and it was sinking in. i have no idea what was in his mind but that is the biggest

less lesson, don't play with guns, don't pick they will up. you never know when there might be a last bullet in the chamber. harris: you never know what his experience with guns was. he may have been so could have had confident he didn't think he had to check. democrats adding sweeping hate crime legislation to a defense authorization bill. does that go together? the bill deals with spending for the f-22 fighter jet. so, what do hate crimes have to do with the state of the art fighter jet you ask? i ask. steve centanni is live. >> even though f-22's and hate crimes don't seem to have much to do with each other they are legislative partners in the senate and at least for the time being. as you probably remember, matthew shepherd is the student from wyoming who was beaten and left to die outside laramie in

1998. the legislation named after him is to broaden hate crime to include gender and sexual orientation. the federal government help in prosecuting the cases and allows the justice department to step in if it believes justice is not being done. the house has passed a hate crimes bill. now the senate has attached its version of the legislation as an amendment to defense spending. that bill is controversial. the defense spefrpding bill. not because of the hate crimes amendment but because it has spending for the f-22 fighter jet. the president an defense secretary are against additional spend for it feeling it has no central war with the current war fighting. the secretary of defense cut production as a way to save $1.75 billion. he was asked about it today about the hate crimes bilk linked to the defense appropriations bill and he said

that is up to congress. it doesn't bother him. on monday now, senators john mccain and dick durbin will try to strip the f-22 spending out of the bill. if they don't succeed and it goes to the president as is, he says he will veto it and send it back to congress not because of the hate crimes bill which he supports and which would probably be just passed again by the senate anyway. it is because he doesn't want this f-22 spending like the defense secretary. harris: what is interesting, aside from the f-22 this may heat up again because of the hate crimes bill because some say it could infling on first amendment rights for everybody. look for that, i think, to be one of the topics people talk about monday as well as lawmakers get together. steve, thank you. >> you bet. martha: according to the president the reason we need healthcare reform is to bring down the cost that is crippling families and businesses.

but listen to this. >> the legislation significantly expands the federal responsibility for healthcare costs. martha: that is the congressional budget director. what exactly is he saying? and does that mean the picture is not as rosy for this plan as they try to work it through? we will attempt to lay out the issues right after this. discover new seafood creations... inspired from around the country at red lobster. from the northeast, try our new maine lobster and crab bake, with garlic-roasted tender maine lobster, jumbo shrimp, scallops, and a full half-pound of snow crab legs. or from the south, try our new orleans... wood-grilled shrimp jambalaya, simmered with creole seasonings. taste these regional dishes for a limited time. at red lobster.

harris: we are glad you are with us. top box, fox confirming alaska outgoing governor sarah palin is not attending the national governors association summer conference that starts today and runs all weekend. she says she only has two full weeks left before the resignation takes effect so she

is skipping the meeting. middle box awaiting president obama we just got word, first we knew something was up because the press briefing with robert gibbs was canceled. then bwe find out he is scheduld to speak at 3:15, a little less than an hour. he will talk about healthcare reform because the whole nation is talking about it. and this story blows my mind. you have people texting on the phone with commuter trains but get this. the long island railroad a witness telling police an engineer let a passenger drive a train bound for new york city. it happened on july 2. everything ran smoothly and no one was hurt. the witness says it happened on a stretch of track where the train gets up to 80 miles an hour. he let a passenger drive the train. that engineer has been suspended without pay pending

investigation. martha: it is getting hot on capitol hill and it is not just because it is july. president obama has consistently argued one of the main reasons the economy is in trouble is the rising cost of healthcare. but now the head of the congressional budget office says that the president's reform plan will not do anything to curb the risi rising costs. when he said this reports are you could hear a pin drop in the room. the question came from a democrat. >> in the legislation that has been reported we do not see the sort of fundamental changes that would be necessary to reduce the trajectory of federal health spending by a significant amount. on the contrary, the legislation significantly expands the federal responsibility for healthcare costs. martha: this is very interesting on a number of levels. juan williams is a senior correspondent for npr.

mark is a former speechwriter for george bush. juan, when you listen to what the gentleman from the c.b.o. had to say, one thing we talked about in recent weeks was the fact that the c.b.o. was not capable of scoring the savings that would come from preventative healthcare measures, that they didn't fall under the c.b.o.'s ability to count the numbers because to do preventative healthcare it is hard to measure how much you prevent somebody from getting sick but now the c.b.o. says we are not seeing the savings in our numbers. is this a big deal for this bill? >> oh, it is a big deal. it is a little bit of an earthquake around here because remember the man we are talking about who is a democratic appointee. the man who went to the white house, peter or sdag, used to have -- or sdag, used to have

the job so this is the main domestic proposal and sake the number one tenet of the bill, to control healthcare costs to keep it down for our families and the government in terms of driving up the size of the deficit with medicare, medicaid and the like, that it is not working in terms of the legislative agenda, the proposals that he has seen thus far. the white house is out today. i think you will hear from president obama this afternoon, saying look, don't buy that. don't worry about it. we have other ideas, other proposals coming down the road. but every time it is about you want to tax your healthcare benefits, do you want to take more money out of pharmaceuticals. the white house has been backing off. you can't back out without having to pay the piper. martha: that is what i wanted to ask, juan. at what point does the white house say he raises a good point and we better look at the bill instead of ramming it through or

rahming it through. >> the problem from the white house perspective is they don't think this is going to happen. they think politics and the way that politics has derailed every other attempt at healthcare reform back to president truman, they think it will derail it again so they have to get it done now while they have momentum before the august recess. they are putting tremendous pressure on max baucus and he is up in arms. he says he doesn't know what he is supposed to do it. is a train wreck. martha: you set that up perfectly. i want to get to mark but first listen to what max baucus said that got him in trouble. >> the president is not helping us. he does not want the conclusion. that is making it difficult. but apart from that, we are clearly going to find ways to bend the cost curve in the right direction, that is, include

provisions which will actually lower the rate of increase in healthcare costs. martha: that is what this is all about. mark. lowering the rate of healthcare costs. and we are hearing from all corners, you heard max baucus say the president isn't helping that happen. >> no question. you know who else isn't helping? joe biden. he went to a forum yesterday in alexandria, virginia and said we are heading for bankruptcy so we have to spend more money. and he then repeated it again. martha: in fairness to him, he said we can't leave things the way they are because those costs are spiraling out of control and they will send us to bankruptcy so we have to spend more money to get out of that likelihood. >> but the solution is always to spend more money. this is $1.5 trillion takeover of healthcare. you want to see what this is this is the joint economic chart of the healthcare plan. welcome to canada. the problem is that president

obama is incredibly personally popular but his liberal policies are not. irnds are abandoning him. he is down 12% with them. independents oppose the healthcare plan 48-32 so he is trying to get these things through while he thinks he has the momentum to pass it. the problem is moderate democrats like max baucus and some of them see the polls and they don't want to go to commit political suicide by passing one of these takeovers of healthcare when a few months later the constituents will say you passed what? how much increased taxes? martha: the president wants to, i would expect, win another presidential election down the road. at what point do they say this might not be what we want. does the public option go off the table? do we see changes made? >> this is tough. i think that they feel they have to get something out of this deal. otherwise it is just that they

will be too embarrassed. president obama has made this a central tenet of his time in the white house from when he was running for office. remember in the campaign we have to do something about healthcare. he said i'm going to get it done. now it looks like it is floundering and falling apart. but they are going to try to save face somehow. i don't know that he can get it done before the august recess though. it is just, most americans want something done but they want it done because the cost to our families can be exorbitant when we get in a medical merge. martha: they want to see costs cut back and waste eliminated from the programs and all things that perhaps we are not seeing. >> they don't want to lose their health insurance. martha: i don't want to. i also want to mention as juan and mark said the president will speak at 3:15. we may see him try to turn

around the public commentary that is going on on all of this by talking about what was said at the c.b.o. and what he sees as the cost savings in his program. the president at 3:15 an important friday afternoon speech not expected earlier today. harris: tragedy on the high seas. a cruise. we showed you the carnival cruise line ship held in san diego, a wonderful found dead. here she is. we see her now around we will tell you who is facing charges next. eed? eed? where will you find the stability and resources to keep you ahead of this rapidly evolving world? these are tough questions. that's why we brought together two of the most powerful names in the industry. introducing morgan stanley smith barney. here to rethink wealth management. here to answer... your questions. morgan stanley smith barney. a new wealth management firm with over 130 years of experience.

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surgery. turned out just to an 20-minute surgery for a broken wrist, doctors saying it was an ordinary procedure for a special guest. the plan is his vacation goes on as planned until the 29th of july. one change, no more piano playing at least a month. martha: greg, thank you. mike emanuel at the white house. we understand we may get a little bit of good news on the economic front? >> well, larry summers says the economy has traveled a great distance the past six months. the president's top advisor in economy said we were on the brink of catastrophe six months ago but we have trampled back. but he agreagrees that unemploy will be worse in the coming months. martha: now to rick with a little bit of what is in store on the east coast for the weekend. >> not that bad but today not so good.

we have a severe thunderstorm box watch and new tornado watch in effect until 7:00 p.m. including the delmarva peninsula area and north of virginia beach. be careful. all part of the bigger system that will bring a lot of rain showers and thunderstorms for the overnight and clear out tomorrow and set up for a pretty nice weekend. one more spot of concern across the high plains, nebraska and kansas, could spread to texas by the time we are done with this evening. martha: rick, thank you. meenl demonstrateers in tehran after friday prayers despite a government ban on protests. riot police firing tear gas. we have more on this. kitty, this is a very defiant bit of behavior from the protesters given the fact that the government has sworn they will severely punish any dissent. >> that's right. it is a bold move.

one of the largest protests we have seen in recent weeks. we can remember what happened to the previous protests. there was a brutal crackdown by the regime. we saw today again the iranian police and militia charge through the crowd on motor bikes and we understand there were a number of arrests. but it is significant the protesters have yet again taken to the streets in defiance of the ban. martha: they must be inspired by rafsanjani the former president and very high ranking cleric. he must be leading them to continue in some ways because he has said the prisoners need to be released. right? martha: that's right. it is very interesting to note that mr. rafsanjani spoke today at friday prayer the first singtime since the election. many went to listen to him and this rally developed soon after. but it is interesting to note mr. rafsanjani is treading a fine line.

he called for the political prisoners to be released and he criticized the government saying the crisis is far from over and they need to pay more attention to the wishes of their people. but he stopped short of coming down on the side of the protesters themselves. but that did nothing to stop the spirit of the tens of thousands who yet again took to the streets of tehran. harris: we have been telling but president obama's growing team of czars this week. 30 of them named so far. recognize anybody? most of these people marchedly are household -- hardly are household names but they are tackling big problems. are they up to the job? and does this new system mean government as we know it is outdated? with us is our point person on all things czar, wendell goler. >> i'm watching you on the monitor but i cannot hear a word you say. you may want to tell engineering that. i presume we are talk become the

recipe for a successful czar, which experts say is to be held accountable for accomplishing a specific task in a certain amount of time and it is very important to have bipartisan support. with that form will, we got the computer through the w 2 k bug. he didn't try to go over cabinet secretaries but tried to involve them. >> the expertise and people who were able to give you the background information you want are lodged in those agencies. they are the people who have been at it a long time. to make progress what you have to do is figure out how to harness the information to move people in the same direction at the same time. >> he says it was important that nobody wanted him to fail. he had all the support of congress. i didn't hear him and i still can't hear you. martha: we need an audio czar. who tells the czar what is to do? harris: thank you, wendell

goler. we reported on this yesterday and it was horrific. a lot of people are taking cruises. this is vacation season for most people. another horrible thing hams on board an american cruise liner. the latest a murder of shirley mcgill killed travelling to mexico. it was a cabo five-nighter. her husband is accused of killing her in the cabin. 's school teacher. cops arrested him when the ship returned to port and kept all 2,000 passengers. mcgill had just retired from her job last week. he was about to do the same, the husband. joining us over the gone is the former deputy assistant director of the f.b.i. taking the lead on the cases. thank you for joining us. i know they did board that ship when it got that port in san diego. >> apparently the coast guard

brought them out by cut are and the f.b.i. does have jurisdiction of these. crime of high seas is a jurisdiction they have had and unfortunately this case carnival cruise line did a good job of preserving the crime scene. that always doesn't happen. terrible tragedy but the case will be solved and clearly solved and given a really good case to the prosecutors to prosecute him. harris: you mentioned carnival cruise line and they were so quick acting. i called them yesterday and they already had a statement ready. they say things keep happening on cruise ships, people falling off of them and so forth. what is it about the passengers? what be keeping them on board the ship? >> essentially what you have is a gigantic crime scene and it is much easier for the investigators to conduct the investigation while it is fresh

in everybody's mind before people have a chance it leave, fly back to various parts of the united states and have to be traced and followed and run down and interviewed. so, it is a little inconvenient but it saves the government and everybody a lot of time and money. it sound like it was pretty quickly done and again, it is an easy case for the bureau, sad for the family. harris: is it like a naval ship in that they threw him in the br brig? do they have their own brig? >> they have had those for decades. that is something they put in a long time ago and you have a floating city and like any other city you have crimes committed and people that need to be incarcerated for brief periods of time and they have little brigs like we have in some of our sports stadiums. there is even jails in a lot of sports stadiums so it is not unusual and the carnival did a good job of stabilizing the

crime scene. harris: a giant moving city with its own crime scene and jail. thank you very much. shirley mcgill killed on the elation carnival cruise line. martha: apparently he and his wife were divorced from former spouses and therm high school sweet hearts and reconnected a few years ago. you think of the websites that help people we connect with former boyfriend and girlfriend. seems like this one that didn't turn out well. harris: i nknow we were talking about beef acts of domestic violence but people on the ship, witnesses described them fighting like the whole trip. martha: hardware fieg footage of a motorcycle driver thrown from his bike. that is next. quality and reliability...

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martha: let's look at some of the boxes. vice president joe biden saying unless the democrats' plan becomes law the nation will go bankrupt. the only way to avoid that is for the government to spend more money. the comments during a town hall meeting of the aarp. middle box bank of america hopping on the billion dollar bandwagon. we toeld but citigroup reportin $3 billion and bank of america amazing when you think of their history and the stories we

reported about the acquisition of merrill lynch and how tough things were there, turns out bank of america is doing ok as well after the bailout. $2.4 billion in earnings there. we are watching that closely. bottom box tornado watches for the coastlines of virginia and north carolina. summer hot spot virginia beach in that advisory. we are keeping watch on it for you. a line of severe thunderstorms bearing down on that region. there is the radar picture of it and it doesn't look pretty but we are assured that after that nice weekend. harris: we have to get on with the summer. speaking of summer, here is an idea for a vacation you may not have thought of. we were just talking about this sink sin sink si stink stin stink stinky things. state of the art sewage facility. plenty of visitors to san francisco are flocking to see the city by the bay's big sewage

plant. that is just one unconventional vacation cost conscious americans are taking. check this out. i know you can do the same thing in paris and it doesn't smell so bad. >> this one really stinks to be honest. but bleak economic times are eliminating some offbeat destinations as vacationers look for affordable options including some places you think they would want to avoid. >> in san francisco tours of the sewage treatment plant are booked well solid as visitors learn what happens after they flush the toilet. >> they get to see tanks full of sewage and how through the process it turns into clean water that we discharge into the ocean. this may not be like a sandy beach in hawaii but i can guarantee you it is just as fun and interesting. >> visitors are flocking to see

the longest burning light bulb at a fire station. and to check out the first electric chair in texas at this prison museum. >> there is a reminder of how many unique and interesting and amazing things we have in this country. >> a publisher of the lonely planet says the need for something free and different has americans seeking the road less traveled. new itineraries including finding fault a tour of the earthquake hazard areas of california and polygamy country in southeastern utah. >> people hear about it and they are like why not. >> why not visit the spam museum in austin, minnesota, and explore the history of the father of all misery meats. or drive through a redwood tree in northern california. chances are wherever you live there are plenty of cheap or free options for summertime fun right around the corner.

harris: i have been to that spam plant. it is very fun. >> ok. harris: go find the earthquake fault lines. martha: pick up the kids and go to polygamy country. let's switch to this terrible video you saw the beginning of. he walks away. that is a biker in oregon who lost control and skidded on the pavement. it was on the trooper's dash cam. he walked away. now you know why bikers wear those full leather pants and jackets and helmet. it protects their skin. police say he was going 85 miles an hour. so probably after he said you are doing ok you can walk but here is your ticket. they released the video to remind drivers how quickly you can lose control at high speeds. harris: you saw how closely behind that other car was behind the cap. martha: this guy is getting up

and walking but not many can tell you what it is like to walk on the moon and even 40 careeye later nobody can sum up that experience. >> this is spectacular. i have never seen -- all i can say is spectacular and i know you are sick of that word. but my vocabulary is so limited. >> formation. 11:58 a.m. . the experts at imperial can convert your long-term payout into a lump sum of cash today. i felt amazingly boxed in. (announcer) joe uses the contour meter from bayer. (joe) my meter absolutely adapts to me and my lifestyle. i'm joe james, and being outside of the box is my simple win. (announcer) now available in five vibrant colors.

martha: most people never forget where they were when neil armstrong took the first step on the moon. if you ask neil armstrong, as people have, he will tell you that the most memorable part of the mission for him was bringing that lunar module in for the

landing. before that can happen, where was the six arrests and land? -- safest place to land? joining us now is a nasa scientist who look for possible landing sites, and he did a lot of research for the university. thank you for being here. talk to me about that moment. you say it wasn't the first step. you say it was when the lunar module put all legs on the service of the moon. talk to me about it. >> i did not have a major use for the apollo program. i was working a the planetary lat and the main jobs for what

we were doing was a poem in our program for apollo, going back even before 1960. we started out with mapping the moon and when -- because we knew more than anyone else and hardly knew anything, nasa chose us as a founder of the lunar and planetary loud, and he was made chief experimenters in those days, only program of the moon shots. martha: we are going to listen to newly released audio from the landing. let's listen to it. >> one step for man, one giant leap for mankind.

it looks like the high desert of the united states. different, but it is very pretty up here. harris: mr. whitaker, i know that through your map of the moon, you help them figure out where to land. i understand they only had 20 seconds left the fuel before setting down. that is why neil armstrong said it was the most important part. we almost did not make it. tell us about it. >> they were told after landing that the fuel tanks were empty, but i read in the newspaper a couple of days ago they found that they were safe. but it was a tricky situation because they want to land, and there was this rocking beneath them.

it was touch and go. >> there are so many things plant in tucson at the university of arizona prairie what is the biggest thing going on this weekend? >> quite a show, with a lot pictures and memorabilia. with the tv cameras getting closer, and surveyors and vehicles digging trenches in the moon. the moon's surface is basically live. they will not sink into this

dust, so if you land, you will sink into the dust. martha: they made it, and the landing was successful. it was an amazing story. thank you for sharing it with us. thank you very much. we're waiting and watching for it to come up when obama talks about health care. gecko vo: businessmen say "hard work equals success." well, you're looking at, arguably, the world's most successful businessgecko. gecko vo: first rule of "hard work equals success." gecko vo: that's why geico is consistently rated excellent or better in terms of financial strength. gecko vo: second rule: "don't steal a coworker's egg salad, 'specially if it's marked "the gecko." come on people.

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