users, similar to security measures that are in place now for online banking and shopping. but until such safeguards are in place, at a minimum, ask your doctor or hospital what they're doing to keep your health data, just that: your health data. in new york, jamie colby, fox news. >> jamie: fox news alert for you now. new details coming in on a train crash in san francisco. the two trains collided late yesterday and injured more than 40 people. investigators wrapping up an interview with the operator of one of the two trains involved in that crash on san francisco streets that left dozens of passengers hurt. welcome to a brand new hour of america's news headquarters. i'm jamie colby. >> eric: i'm eric shawn. 48 people were injured in that crash. they were taken to the hospital after the collision. witnesses say one of the trains just plowed right into the other one that was parked, sending passengers flying right out of their seats. nearby business said the

impact shook their building. this is just the latest in a series of crashes involving public transit. laura ingle joins us now live in new york with more on the troubling string. what is going on? they've been in los angeles, boston, washington, and even long island an engineer was accused of letting a passenger drive a train. >> this has left a lot of commuters on edge. definitely, lawmakers are concerned and are look for answers as to why the type of public transportation problems just seem to keep happening. now the collision between the two san francisco municipal light rail trains left as you mentioned several dozens injured at the west portal station in the san francisco bay area. witnesses said those who were injured were left sitting on benches on the boarding platform after the crash. some of them bleeding from their head. transportation officials are investigating both mechanical and human errors as the possible cause. now this is at least the third major transit accident in the country in the last few months.

nine people were kill and more than 70 injured you might remember june 22 in washington, d.c. when metro train stopped in another train stopped on the crash. the cause has not been determined on that. may 8, more than 50 people were injured when a boston subway trolley plowed in another train. investigators in that case say the 24-year-old operator blew through a signal while texting on his cell phone to his girlfriend. the san francisco incident comes on the heel of a house sub committee on transportation safety this week in which committee members are trying to figure out how to stop these type of crashes and improve public safety. some commuters concerned about what is going on with this have been taking the initiative lately to record driver and train operators like a cell fon video we saw of a d.c. operator allegedly taking a nap while at the controls. the national transportation safety board said it's their first priority to get to the bottom of the crashes and

make solid recommendations. ntsb right now has 11 open recommendations to metro and some lawmakers are talking about transportation funds to be used to ensure that all transit systems are safe and reliable. more to come on this. >> eric: laura, in long island, one passenger called authorities saying another passenger was driving the train. so it's up to all of us to keep our eyes open. >> uunbelievable. >> jamie: high above the earth. endeavor astronauts are working to try to sort out technical glitches they had before they do the next space walk. they did install a porch yesterday. it's used for outdoor experiments on the international space station, but they experienced the loud burst of static coming from the helmet microphones and that hampered communication, the entire time they were out there walking. nasa says it was a nuisance, but not a safety issue. still they hope to get it fixed before the next spacewalk tomorrow. and a reminder, tomorrow marks the 40th anniversary of the first moon landing. a look at what that world

changing event meant. that's today at 3:00 p.m. eastern. in our fox news special. apoll leelo 11. don't miss it. >> eric: if you saw that day, you always remember. murder suspect is in custody that spanned a two-day killing spree. they found the suspect, 30-year-old jacob schaefer actually sitting on the front porch at one of the homes where the victims lay dead. he's now charged with multiple counts of murder. five people were killed in two neighboring homes that happened in fayetteville, tennessee. 30 miles away in huntsville, alabama, another victim was found dead in the business. police say all six victims are believed to be from the same family. the victims even include two children. they say the suspected killer's motive was some type of personal dispute. >> jamie: taking place at a hilton hotel in the chicago suburbs. an unlikely place and a scene that is really unsettling. it's a group with dreams of a

world islamic empire. they have suspected ties to al-qaeda. they're holding their first official conference in the u.s. and they make no bones about what they want. >> eric: even today's conference is called the fall of capitalism. and the rise of islam. our steve brown is live outside the hotel in oak lawn, illinois, the hilton hotel at that. steve, i mentioned that because hilton is such an american hotel. this is a group that says they want to end capitalism. what do we know about the group? what the you expect to hear today today? >> the roots go back to palestine after the formation of israel. they're anti-israel and very much in favor of a united islamic state taking all of the various islamic nations and placing them under one -- in one ca caliphate. they say they're non-violent, but there are plenty of critics within the muslim

community around the world. and outside observers who believe simply by stoking this kind of language, that they are actually add i adding the boiling pot we've seen around the planet in terms of terrorism i ve events going forward. they add to the heat of discussion around the planet. >> we are looking at the video that describes the conference, advertising the conference, tries to recruit people to come to the conference. what do other islamic groups say about the group? do they support them? >> no. they don't find a lot of support in a lot of the main stream muslim organizations. as a matter of fact, they're described as a fringe group and not very cooperative with others. we have a sound bite from a local leader who views them and seen them this way. >> they're disruptive influence. they came to our mosques, came to our organizations. and they use the tactic that

they are reputed for to come in and talk down people who are discussing things they don't agree with. >> reporter: in part because of that particular tactic of trying to shout down those that they don't agree with, they've had to move their c conference here to the hilton. they tried to find a mosque to hold the event and none would have them. they tried to go to islamic school in bridgeview. that school when they found out more about the organization disinvited them. so they ended up here at a capitalist organization to talk about the fall of capitalism. >> jamie: steve, thank you. live outside the hilton. following everything that is happening at the conference today. the question for you at home: how worry should we be about the group? later in the hour we speak to a terrorism expert who followed this islamic group for years. stay with us on that. >> eric: meanwhile, the new questions this morning about tensions between israel and iran. this after two israeli

warships sailed to the suez canal this week. it's not unusual for israeli vessels to use the canal but it's not common for navy's moves to be publicized. suez provides israel the most direct route to waters off iran. but there are fears that iran is develop nuclear weapons to possibly use against the jewish state. president mahmoud ahmadinejad called for israel's destruction and recently, israel conducted war games in the mediterranean, practicing bombing runs that experts say happen to match the exact mileage from tel aviv to tehran. >> jamie: also developing this morning, the taliban now releasing vid yoeo of the first american soldier kidnapped in afghanistan. we don't want to air the video, but we have this picture from the tape showing private first class beau burdall from idaho. defense officials confirming the man in the tape is the

same soldier that disappeared from the base last month in afghanistan and later said to be captured. the pentagon just releasing his identity a short time ago. in the 28-minute video, he's interviewed by his kidnappers while sitting on a bed in this gray outfit. the u.s. military saying it's doing everything it can to get the soldier back safely. >> eric: the administration facing serious hurdles to push the nationalized healthcare plan. president obama initially wanted congress to pass the healthcare bill, by august before congress goes on recess. but with resistance growing on all sides, the deadline may now be under a new threat. caroline shively has the latest from washington. it's a trillion dollar plan. a new report says it will add $239 billion to the deficit. what is the administration saying this morning? >> well, they're trying to spin it. just like both sides of this are, eric. that report you're talking about comes from the congressional budget office. congress number crunchers and says the house bill now pushed thousand would put the

u.s. $239 billion further in the hole over a decade. the cbo also says the program isn't sustainabsustainable. this morning, peter orszag, the head of the administration office of management and budget said on "fox news sunday" the president would not sign anything that expands the deficit. it has to be deficit-neutral. so apparently the house bill isn't the final product we're going to see. on "meet the press," health and human services chief kathleen sebelius had something similar to say, saying it was a work in progress. >> eric: the president says it won't hurt the deficit. the congressional democrats say the report doesn't tell the whole story. they say the plan reduces the deficit. how do we get the different numbers? >> this is hard to understand. the democratic house leaders say the cbo is a different story. once you adjust medicare payments, the physician that the bill would save the country $6 billion over a decade. the dems argue that the physician payments from medicare would be taken care of with upcoming legislation that hasn't passed the house yet.

it's a big argument. lots of spin this weekend. >> eric: vacation for congress people starts august 2. plot thickens. caroline shively in washington. >> jamie: we get e-mails all the time asking if members of congress will sign up for so-called public option they're creating for millions of americans. the senate health committee this week voted on an amendment that requires all congressial members and their staff to sign up for the public option. every democrat voting against it, except chris dodd, ted kennedy and barbara mcculsky. every republican voted for it except for senator judd greg who said, "the public option will be so bad i don't think anyone should be forced to join." >> eric: one of the reasons the huge tax hike to pay for healthcare may be running into trouble, it would come at the same time the obama administration is now dumping the bush tax cuts. the "wall street journal" ran some numbers from the heritage foundation showing that -- look at this -- the

combined healthcare plan from the house democrats if you put that together with the obama tax hikes, look at the numbers. the average tax rate in the united states would hit 52% with state taxes added in. 52%. that's six points higher than france or canada. some states like new york and new jersey, they say the new top tax rate would hit 57% rising up to almost -- that's near 60%. jamie? >> jamie: the obama administration is now asking congress to give up some of its power to set healthcare power in an attempt to rein in the cost. there is an independent commission known as med-pac that advise congress on medicare policy. now the white house wants the panel to actually set the policy, not just advise. taking away power from lawmakers in that department. dr. mark seigel is a fox news medical contributor and he sees medicare and medicaid patients in his own practice.

so we wanted his take on this payment crackdown. mark, always good to see you. >> great to see you, jamie. >> jamie: the reason your take is so important is because a lot of doctors do take care of these patients with medicare and medicaid and even those who are uninsured. if the payments to doctors and hospitals are cut, as the president has said in a cost-saving measure they would be, what does that mean for physicians, what does it mean for patients? s>> the biggest problem is the discussion goes on without practicing physicians being involved. they're taken for granted. practicing doctors like myself are already under the gun, already seeing too many patients in a short amount of time, which means ordering more tests quickly, less preventive medicine. now you say cut medicare and medicaid, more doctors will drop out. 50% of the physicians in the country don't take medicaid. almost two-third don't take new medicare patients.

let the viewer understand the difference between insurance and care. automobile insurance won't necessarily get you to repair shop. also, if we end up with longer and longer waiting lines for procedures because the doctors aren'ts around to do this, or they're rationing care, the liability ends up with the physician. more physicians drop out when they can't get tests they want to order. >> jamie: they may not only drop out, the ama, american medical association, has wraps its arms around the reform proposal and said bring it on. let me show a portion of the let they're the ama has written. this comes from 12 doctors who are congress people --

>> eric: th >> jamie: those congressmen who are physicians and one dentist could not believe the ama could endorse the plan because they feel patients will get less care. do you agree that the ama get it wrong? >> they got it totally wrong. they're not representing practicing physicians. majority of physicians who practice are not necessarily members of the ama. when you graduate medical school, only 2% of the graduates -- that's right, 2% go into primary care. when president obama talks about stopping obesity and stopping smoking, and helping with diet, he's being disingenuous because physicians are going into specialties because that's the only way they can pay back the loan. if you cut reimbursement further, you have more of a problem. we won't have preventive oriented doctors. plus, in america, everybody want the latest and greatest.

they want technology and we're developing more and more technology. it's not one size fits all. >> jamie: if you ration, you say all the new developments, somebody is going to decide whether it's worth a price to keep you alive if you have an illness, to treat you depending on what they decide your quality of life will be. that's how it works in countries that have the nationalized healthcare. is that what could happen here? what does it mean for a patient? what should people be thinking about right now as they look at if proposals? >> i agree with that point totally. patients don't realize you get to 75 and say you can't have dialysis, or occurring in british columbia where 16,000 people wait online for hip replacements. who is going to decide if the procedures are necessary? you want the government to decide that? they don't do such a great job with taxes. physicians have to decide,

physicians and patient. the doctor-patient relationship has to be involved in deciding who needs a procedure. if we have long waiting lines and we don't have availability, not only physician liability go up, but patients will have to suffer. i think there is an issue of uegenics. who decides who deserves and two doesn't? >> jamie: it's interesting. in the intro we talked about med-pac setting policy and price. dr. marc seigelseigel, good to k to you. >> thank you. >> eric: have you heard about the special court for military veterans? in nevada. it's a new legal system for dealing with vets trying to readjust to civilian life. some support it, the critics blast it. >> jamie: steve brown did just show us how this islamic group is calling for the fall of capitalism and the rise of radical islam. we'll take another look at the promotional video for the islamic conference that's being held today right here in the u.s. at a hilton hotel

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>> jamie: is pilot error blamed now for crash that took place at a denver airport? according to the federal aviation officials the pilot of a continental airlines jet that veered off the runway in high winds were slow to react. the report also saying that the cockpit crew failed to use the jet's rudder to keep it straight in a powerful cross wind. it was a boeing 737, bound for houston. had 110 passengers and five crew members aboard. it left the runway at about 130 miles per hour and then broke apart bursting into flames. everyone on board survived. >> eric: a new idea, one state trying out a program for former soldier, giving back to americans who serve their country. it's called a veterans court for non-violent offenders and it will focus on rehabilitation. not everybody thinks it's a

good idea. casey stegall live from los angeles with more. why did they come up with the special court? >> reporter: good to see you. proponents of court tell us one-fifth of veterans who experience combat come back home with something that we hear so much about, pstd, posttraumatic stress disorder. there are some studies outs there that suggest that people with ptsd are more likely to commit crimes. the idea behind the veterans court is give softer approach of criminal just toys the veterve -- justice approach to veterans and not incourse incarcerate th rehabilitate them. several states are considering the idea of veteran court. the other idea is if they're not incarcerate and it frees up space in jails, we know jails all around the country are overcrowded. it costs less and saves state

money because they don't have to pay for the extra inmate. >> eric: sounds like to're making a special effort to veterans so why would critics be critical of this? >> reporter: it makes sense. the aclu specifically in in evidence -- specifically in nevada says it creates two-tier system and has preferential treatment. they say this country is about one justice for all, so the aclu is blasting this. other municipalities are going forth with it despite criticism. we report, and, of course, you decide. >> eric: casey stegall live in los angeles. thank you. >> jamie: there is new information for you on the murder of a florida couple. they were parents to 17 children. we'll tell you what the robbers were after that cost bird and melanie billings their lives. new details on the eight suspects in custody. >> eric: we have been telling you about this all morning that islamic supremecist group accused of possible

ties to al-qaeda. well, they're meeting right now on u.s. soil. they say they're recruiting members at a posh hotel that's happening in a major u.s. city. there are plans for islamic empire next. oyoñ

>> jamie: developing now, other headliheadlines. new information into fox on u.s. soldier that was captured in afghanistan last month. u.s. defense officials confirming now that taliban has released a vid video and its the kidnapped soldier. san francisco transit authorities looking at mechanical and human error as possible causes in this collision of two light rail trains yesterday. 48 people taken to hospital, four with serious injuries. and tom watson aiming for

golf glory. the eight-time major champion trying to become golf's old est major champion. good luck. >> eric: it was five months before 9/11. a group supporting osama bin laden and al-qaeda held a protest in new york city, across the street from the united nations. in the protest they vowed to turn america into an islamist country saying the flag of islam would fly over the white house. todd another group holding a conference outside chicago. they say they don't engage in terrorism and call themselveses a political party, but the experts say the group and islamic recruiting organization accused to have included al-qaeda top officials. look at the conference video. ♪

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joining us frank affney from security policy and former defense secretary of defense. frank, who are these people? >> they're an organization that has been in business for quite a number of years. advancing very explicitly what authoritative islam calls sheria, a supremacist program designed to govern absolutely everything in the muslim life from how they pray to how the world is governs. how they govern is a problem for us. they have that it will be islamed on muslim and non-muslims alike. they're violent and associated with terrorism. the fact they're operating in the open in the united states is a worrying sign because it suggests they're moving

inexorably forward to covert first phase, overt second phase to according to their literature third phase that involves actually opposing sheria through violence and other means. >> eric: if they believe, that why aren't they on a terror list? not on state department list or f.b.i. list. they say they're political party and deny they support violence and deny they support terrorism. >> unfortunately, it's just one example of serious shortfalls. this is a shortfall in the counterintelligence operations in the united states. law enforcement community and the policy levels. they should be on terrorism list and not allowed in the country. they espouse violent mean of jihad among others to impose the doctrine of sheria. >> eric: how do they say that?

s>> >> they say explicitly the world must be ruled by islam. they seek to make every nation islamic nation and seek to impose on muslims who don't want to live under sharea, any more than the rest of us, there are a great number of them, especially in the united states, as well as on all non-muslims the kind of submission that sheria distats. that's the literal meaning of islam, submission. they're about in a comprehensive way that includes not only the stealth jihad, typical of the muslim brotherhood -- another group that should be on the terrorism list, by the way -- but also through violent means. it's true not just in the united states. it's worldwide phenomephenomena. britain has been fighting them since they let them operate from si sanctuary in britain. >> eric: they have been banned in several countries, especially in the arab world.

you raise an issue about them being here. the leaders say it's free speech that in america they're protected by the first amendment. they're not commenting to fox news but they will have a news conference after the conference this afternoon. they near a hotel, in a hilton, right now, meeting all day, espousing this stuff. >> right. free speech is something they use as they do the civil liberties. as a means to destroy us. it mean i think off video clip of one of the signs in the audience indicating that free speech equals insult to islam. >> eric: the exact quote is free speech symbolizes war on islam. >> that is the -- >> eric: you can't speak out about islam? there it is there. see the sign. what are they talking about? >> they're enti entitled to fre speech to destroy us and destroy us from within. we are not allowed to use free speech to have the

conversation that you and i are asking right now, because they consider that to be an insult to islam. now, tragically, the united states congress is close tone acting legislation that would give them a basis for shutting down this kind of information, this sort of free speech, because in the spirit of prohibiting hate crimes, we are lending yet another instrument to muslim brotherhood and myriad organization here and elsewhere to say as they're saying elsewhere, including in this united nations, including in the european union you can't exercise free speech to give to islam or adherence. it's free speech. another major step to end of america as we know it. >> eric: the hotel now, live pictures, the oaklawn hilton. hilton hotel. like they can rent the space like anybody else. the hilton says they're not breaking laws, they came in and said they're having

islamic educational seminar today. they'll have a news conference apparently after this later today. frank, what gets me, in april of 2001, as i said in the beginning, in front of the united nations there was a group protesting for bin laden. they called for more osama bin laden. they called for the islamic flag to fly over the white hou house. i heard the chants myself. it dismissed it at that point being a bunch of nuts but yet look what happened on september 11 five months later. is this speech just empty? is it bluster? does it mean anything? or as you say, you fear it could really lead to very serious consequences? >> yeah, i'm sure you didn't mean to suggest i thought it was bluster. i'm with you, eric. this is not bluster. when we heard generation or two ago now adolf hitler making similar kinds of seemingly lunatic statements

and mein kamp on the stump, people thought he's a mad man, he doesn't mean it and it won't come to pass. these people are deadly serious. they mean it and believe it as god's will. they're doctrine coming from the texts of the authoritative islam, the traditions, the interpretations that have been practiced for many centuries. drive them to believe that they must destroy all who stand in the way of the try yuc try -- t tryiumph of islam. we trivialize them at our peril. >> eric: they deny they're terrorists and say they're non-violent. interesting to see what they say in the seminar at the hilton hotel in oaklawn. joining us, talking with frank gaffney of center for security policy. he does a lot of work on these type of groups and others at the center for security policy. frank, what is the website for your group? >> sorry? >> eric: website? >> securefreedom.org. >> eric: securefreedom.org.

if you want more information on all this. frank gaffney. >> my pleasure. thank you. >> eric: thank you for joining us. >> jamie: new information about the murder of a couple in florida. the sheriff department there opening the billings' stolen safe that the robbers took. what were the killers expecting to find? we're remembering walt walter cronkite. we have a man joining for more on the man who set the bar for tv journalism. the classic flavors of tuscany inspiration for... dinner bell sfx: ping ping ping fancy feast elegant medleys tuscany entrées restaurant inspired dishes with long grain rice and garden greens is it love? or is it fancy feast? ♪ so blessed with inspiration ♪

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coming live from washington, congressman pete hoekstra, the ranking republican on the house intelligence committee joins us to talk about the investigation launched into c.i.a. practices and whether it's turning into a partisan stunt. we'll check in with congressman john yarmuth about the raging healthcare debate with estimate topping $1 trillion. who is going to pay for it? we'll also talk with astronaut tom jones as we prepare to mark 40 years since man landed on the moon. that's coming up and much more in about 20 minutes. >> jamie: new developments to tell you about in the murder of a florida couple. they were adoptive parents of more than a dozen children. a florida sheriff confirming that inside the safe that was stolen from the billings home was some family jewelry, but mostly adoption papers and their children's medication. police are not saying whether the killers expected something else in that safe. look at this. eight people already in custody, including a juvenile.

a local retailer, realtor, rather, arrested. she's out on bond. some day laborers who had done work at the billings home were under arrest. joining us now, radio reporter david mcbride who has been following the story. david, thank you for joining us. >> you bet. >> jamie: first, let me ask about the realtor. she is known to some of the suspect and had the safe buried in her backyard but they let her go. why? >> that is the million dollar question. everybody else in this case, martial arts instructor, the accused ring leader and his father and the others who worked with his father or day laborers like you say, some of whom are car detailers, they're all in jail with no bond. and charged with first degree murder. now, she's accused of actually donating her van to the gang who used it as a second get-away vehicle and in which were concealed the safe and murder weapon.

she was also seen as passenger in that vehicle with the safe and gun inside. she's released on bond which he had no trouble coming up with. >> jamie: and let me add is not cooperating with authorities. >> correct can. she actually made herself scarce, too. afterwards, she was found on her yacht, large and expensive yacht in alabama at a local marina in orange beach. that's where they brought her back from. >> jamie: let me talk a little bit about the suspects. there was surveillance video and the red van, which lent to the suspects -- she's an accessory after the fact, for the non-lawyers means she helped out afterwards burying the safe, whether she knew where it came from or not, she's charged with that. >> she is also charged with knowing where the safe came from. they think she was in it up to her eyeballs. >> jamie: so they got the safe and found mostly it was

the kids' medication. many of on the children have special needs. they're adoptive parents now dead. in an incredible staged ten-minute, month-long prepared attack in ninja costumes, so the amount of preparation for the amount of what was in the safe is so disproportionate, to authorities think this possibly was a practice run for something builder and more sinister -- something bigger and more sinister? >> no. they think they laid this case to question. nothing of value in the safe. no value to murders. but questions are asked about billings and his business dealing. people know me as news reporter called me up with their own theories and everyone has one. they think it's billing owning businesses that attract unsavory associates. topless car, used business

and financial services company giving loans to people without good credit. it is such a weird story. even though bud and melanie billings have been laid to rest, the rumors have not. >> jamie: i have to go. i'm out of time, but i'll say the saddest part is that the children don't have these loving parents as they were described. cops say the focus really is more on the realtor, pamela wiggins i think is her name. yes. and not on the billings at the moment. thank you so much. we'll check back with you. >> okay. you got it. >> jamie: thank you so much. >> the leader over the catholic church making his first public appearance after surgery on his wrist. we'll have an update on the pontiff's health and what the pope said was the most unfortunate part of his deal. what he said may surprise you. >> jamie: dozens of fighter jets, hundreds of tanks, china and russia teaming up, conducting joint military

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>> eric: this morning, china official news agency says one of the military jets crashed. it occurred in a joint anti-terrorism exercise. doing it with russia. the drill taking place in northwestern china involve more than 30 fighter jets. as you can see, more than 100 tanks from both countries. china and russia conducting the five-day military drill. it's code named peace mission 2009. >> jamie: not disappointing all who showed up, benedict xvi makes his first appearance after surgery to fix a wrist. this is a picture of the beaming pope at traditional

sunday blessing this morning. as you can see, in a minute, you can see on his right arm he has a cast. he broke his wrist on friday with a fall. the pope making a few adjustments today holding out his left hand to greet well-wish e well-wishers. the pope is disappointed about other things he can't do for now. greg burke li live on the phone from rome rome. good to talk to you. what is the pope disappointed about? he looks happy. >> he looked extremely good. the fact he took a helicopter ride to the place they went was a way of the vatican showing also he is back. of course, what he's -- if he's upset, you can't say upset but he has to cut back on two things he likes doing, especially in this period he has free time. playing the piano and like writing long hand. i asked someone if the pope ever went online. he said the pope has never had a keyboard. he's a pen and paper type of guy. and, of course, the right-hand, is his writing hand as well. so it will cut back on that.

he may have to dictate if he has anything important to do. piano for a month, he has to stay away from it. >> jamie: well, he does look well. and what are the changes might he have to put to his schedule or do you think he'll be able to do everything that was on the list? >> the have t vatican is sayings as planned. misvacation in the mountains remains as is. he'll be there until the 29th. he just left last monday to go on vacation. this happened five days into it. but they say he will stay in the mountains thl the 29th. when he comes back to rome, he absolutely will do what he normally does, stay slightly outside of rome at the summer place. so in terms of the schedule, it's pretty much up. he joked about it today. he said physically, i'm a little limited here but you can tell from the voice, he looked good. sounded good. and he told me he still had a lot of joy in his heart. >> jamie: greg, he is in good shape and he does stay very active. do we know how his health is overall? >> overall, it's not bad. he was elected pretty elderly

if you think about it. four years ago. he's now 82. he had not had great health before that. he once joked about it when he said in one of his biographies he said when there were rumors about him being made a bishop he didn't think it would happen because he didn't think he had good health. but sometimes you see him tired and sometimes with a tired voice. but overall, it's been pretty good. >> jamie: sounds good. nice to see the people that showed up got to get close and see him of the thank you so much, greg burke. have a great day. >> thank you, jamie. >> eric: on this sunday morning, the tributes continue for walter cronkite. the loss, his legacy. liz trotta, one of cronkite's reporters next. you have questions. who can give you the financial advice you need? where will you find the stability and resources to keep you ahead of this rapidly evolving world? these are tough questions. that's why we brought together two of the most powerful names in the industry.

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>> eric: now to walter cronkite. his funeral will be held in new york city thursday. he will be buried at the heartland at the family plot next to his late wife betsy in missouri. the tributes continue all weekend. telling laura ingle while it's a difficult time, the family is grateful for all the outpouring of support. joining us now is liz trotta. she knew walter cronkite and worked with him at cbs news and joins us every sunday at this time. liz, his death recognized because we recognized he was genuine, real deal. fair, honeste, presented the news with integrity. >> that has very much come over.

what is amazing is walter cronkite was retired for something like 28 years. and the magnitude of the tributes is what it is. considering he had been out of the daily attention span of the public. you know, it's amazing. i'm reading the verse tributes made -- various tributes made about him. "new york times," they do it again. piece of analysis on cronkite. a nice piece. at the end there are -- there is an admission to three errors including the date of the moon landing. you know, that kind of inaccuracy i must say would not, probably would not have happened in those days. walter was an absolute authority on getting things accurate. so it's really ironic that in the so-called newspaper of record, we would have the three errors in analyzing his success. but i mean, overall, the nice

guy that he was is not a manufacturered thing. i think this is what catches on to -- what catches so many of the people. this truly was a guy who was nice on and off the air. he was a thorough pro. i think his basic decency as david halpersan wrote in a piece in 1979, he was still the small time guy, newspaper editor in the big city. that certainly came across. make no mistake, his standards were rigid. and he would call you in as he did me on at least on one occasion and ask me questions. >> eric: what did he do? >> in this case, it was on the diet doctor trial. i remember going into his office and he asked -- >> eric: the doctor who murdered his mistress. >> in scarsdale. no, no. this is the mistress who murdered her master. >> eric: that's right. >> in any case, he asked me many questions about the

story and looked at me and said i want more. i wrote more. and went back in. he said i want more. i thought holy cow! i'm going to have more time than i ever had on this show. i never forgot that, because everything was pretty much keep the -- [ inaudible ] down. the questions were intelligence. there isn't any way to go over the top in praising walter cronkite. what people thought he was, he really was. >> eric: his loss, i think for some think it the business has been changed in some areas. that standard should continue. >> exactly. well, this is the problem, and that is you can't have this standard. what we've got now is interactive news, where so many cases what people are telling the news people is as important as what the people are telling them. standards are much lower on experience, public school education is a disastdisaster. running into all kinds of problems with the language. these are very real things.

lest i sit around sounding like an fogie saying it was better in those days, it really was. number one, education was better. i don't know if we have time to tell you the story of how i met walter. >> eric: yeah. >> this was a long time ago and it was nearing the end of the vietnam war. we have went to laos. a select group. we were going to be let into hanoi because they were releasing our prisoners of war. we were in laos and in the hotel lobby and spotted walter. i was working for nbc news in those days. huntleigh and brinkley were number one. chet huntleigh and david brinkley, long before walter cronkite became number one. so i walked up to walter, shook his hand and said well, it's about time they sent me some competition. of course, he laughed. he thought that was really funny. he was a good guy. i love competing against him. then, of course, when i went to cbs it was a real pleasure to actually work with him. >> eric: what was it like to work with him? >> tremendous.

you know you had a firm hand. you had an editor who knew the language, knew you. and again, made accuracy the first thing. had to be accurate. had to be accurate. the writing was not flawed. the writing was good old fashioned english. i will say one thing now that i've criticized the "new york times," one thing in their favor, that is that the story of his death was announced in a story the began in the first paragraph began saying he had plain-spoken grace. that really sums it up. >> eric: keep it simple. simplicity. it's amazing. his legacy, what he left with us. i used to sneak in cbs news and look at him. one man in the typewriter near the cbs news desk. quite an impression and loss for all of us. >> it is. >> eric: liz trotta as always, good to see you. i'm eric shawn. that does it for us. >> jamie: great to have you with us. i'm jamie