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it is monday, i am bill hemmer, live in "america's news room." megyn: here comes the annoying part of the show where everyone loves it in. bill: vacation, a great place to be. by tomorrow i will be back to myself. megyn: you know how your colleagues go on vacation and everyone asks how it is, you are expecting people to say that it was good, bill hemmer spends one week rubbing it in. bill: five days of stories to look forward to [laughter] megyn: i am happy that you are happy. peter orszag and, saying that american taxpayers, some of whom passionately oppose abortion may be forced to pay for them under this new national health care plan that is being debated on capitol hill. bill: there is nothing in the

current proposal about using federal dollars for abortions. but some people say that without a specific ban, is exactly what we will get. mike? >> welcome back. the federal director would not rule out the possibility of using federal dollars to use health care money to fund abortion. judd gregg says that there is no question that the abortion issue could complicate this struggle to fix health care. >> i would hate to see the debate go down over that issue. we need health care reform that is substantive. we have to have a system that covers everyone. hopefully we will not get ourselves wrapped around a wheel of abortion. >> president obama has been pushing hard for health care reform, although he has not pushed hard on the abortion issue to date.

the president returned from camp david yesterday as he prepared to kick off a critical week in the struggle for health care reform. what he has said is that this is not about socialized medicine and he will not busted the budget to do it. >> i will not sign on to any health plan that adds to the deficit over the next decade. by helping to improve quality and efficiency, the reforms that we make will help to bring the deficit under control in the long term. >> the abortion issue is making pro-life republicans uneasy. the legislation, unless it says they cannot use abortion. bill: thank you. megyn: we will hear more about that. there is new health-care opposition this morning from the nation's governors, worried that the states might get hit with increased costs. tax rates are soaring as the obama administration dumps the bush tax cuts.

the average top tax rate in the united states might hit 52%. 52% of your taxes -- of your salary, that is, going to taxes. in some states, like new york or new jersey, the tax rate might hit 57% or higher. that is without states having to fund a new medicare or medicaid bills. bill: below france -- viva la france. it is getting a lot of people bristling. megyn: we had bernie sanders on last week. votes with democrats, he is an independent. i asked him if that shocked the conscience. once they start with the rich,

it trickles down. once you get over the psychological barrier, it does not seem so awful to tax the non-rich. all that he kept saying was that he did not feel bad having wall street pay for this. but it is not just wall street fat cats. it is your boss, small business owners. it could be you. there is a question in this country about whether there is a philosophical objection to penalizing successful people by making them pay 60% of their salaries. bill: those blue dog democrats may not go for those things. and there are 52 of them in the house. michael steele, wading into the health-care debate. he is speaking at the national press club in washington, d.c., this is a live picture. he claims that the

administration wants to implement government run health care that will hurt the economy and caused millions to drop their current coverage. his remarks are streaming live at foxnews.com. later in the hour we will hear from my mother, who is headed to washington with a letter to washington. megyn: your mother? [laughter] bill: a mother. it will not be my mother, she is still on vacation. lawmakers on health care are going to hear about disabled children in the hour as well. megyn: new information coming in about a train crash in san francisco over the weekend. the operator of the train told investigators that he blacked out just before the accident. that matches a witness's statement that the driver was slumped over the controls before the train hit. federal investigators say that the operator turned off the trains autopilot moments before

the collision. as a result it slammed into the back of another train. what is going on with all these train crashes in this country lately? joining us on the phone is the fact -- former managing director of the ntsb. >> good morning, megyn. megyn: good morning. we are stumped. every morning it feels like there is another train problem. letting kids drive, falling asleep at the wheel, and now this? he slumped over the wheel moments after allegedly turning off the autopilot. what does that suggest to you? >> a couple of problems. one, the reality in our city is that the metro systems have not

kept pace with the latest technological changes. changes that have been available in these kinds of systems. automatic control systems, positive train control -- absolutely preventing collisions like this. megyn: what is that? it sounds promising. >> what these guys are using our older versions in which the operator can shut them down. probably, almost more important, you have the human factor. these jobs can be awfully repetitive an awfully boring. we have found in a number of accidents in the boston metro system driver is not paying attention, texting in california just prior to the accident that killed an excess of 20 people.

they were taxing someone just seconds before the accident. -- texting someone just seconds before the accident. how do you keep operators paying attention in this repetitive and oftentimes boring job? megyn: why are we seeing more of that now? this boring job was always boring, no more exciting 10 years ago than now? is it the advent of modern technology, phones, blackberries, adding to it? or is there something else? we have no information about whether this had to do with texting or anything else. >> part of it, you hit it on the nose. the advent of new technologies like texting and cell phones has introduced a whole new challenge. the issue today of a black out, apparently, this is not uncommon in the rail industry.

it is a sedentary job, you are not moving around a lot. it is historic that there have been health problems for these operators in the metro system and all along hall operators. -- and on the long-haul operators. there needs to be a serious look. megyn: absolutely. that is so clear. we watch our pilots so closely, we do not give as much thought to train conductors. but look at how many people they are responsible for every day. thank you for being here. >> thank you. bill: you hear -- you heard it here first, promising to leave legislation before taxing? shocking. the man that took this legislation all the way to the hill is here live this morning. who signed it, who did not?

megyn: he promised that he would name names. this is gonna hawkins, he has a mother of a mission. her health-care crusade in the message that she is bringing to washington on the health care reform plan. bill: why are lawmakers, friday before the long weekend, forced to take up the issue of contraception for wild horses. something to think about every day, right? birth control forces. -- for horses. ♪ gecko vo: geico's the third-largest

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in great britain and canada, nationalized health care severely reduces your access to doctors because of long wait lines and financial restraints. if he does not see doctors when he needs to see them, it would dramatically lower his life expectancy. when he was diagnosed in march, if we had not gone to the doctor within the next week, to a specialist that could give us the medication that he needed, he would have been in trouble because he was severely underweight. if we had waited for 12 months, i do not know what would have happened. bill: your options would have been limited, affecting the health of your son. why are you convinced of that? >> we started researching care for cystic fibrosis patients in the united states and abroad. we found startling statistics coming out of great britain

today, and ireland. by and ireland, the life expectancy is 10 years younger, 27 as opposed to 37 in the u.s.. bill: you have made a compelling case. did you hear the president in chicago last month? he was signing examples, like the children's hospital in ohio. the quality of care shot up after the hospital changed its program and started incorporating suggestions from parents. he cited a health care center in tallahassee, florida, where deaths were produced with a rapid response team that monitored conditions around the clock. in words, that does not sound like a plan from the white house that wants to harm children. >> that was not the white house making those changes. in cincinnati, it was parents and doctors making those decisions, looking at the

research they have gathered, knowing that they need to make a change. in may, president obama in a "the new york times" article said 80% of health-care costs, at the end of life. difficult conversations will have to be made to revive guidance to dictate who will receive the care. a very scary statement. bill: are you satisfied with the coverage and care that your son gets today? >> yes, i am. bill: 100%? >> i think that there are changes that can be made, but i am confident that between myself and my health insurance provider that we can work out something that works. we are not saying that health care is perfect. we all know that there needs to be some changes. we need to consider people with

disabilities, making sure that the health-care system that we pass is not going to ration people with disabilities because of costs. bill: an interesting case. thank you for your time. i know that you are going to present your letter to congress this week. thank you for your time. in washington from west virginia this morning. megyn: next, why some lawmakers want to spend $1 billion of your money on birth control for wild horses. bill: of course, right? [laughter] what else would we lead with after my vacation? [laughter] president obama promising that health care reform will be deficit neutral. a fair and balanced debate with two doctors that see patients every day, coming up. discover new seafood creations...

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>> looked at that editorial. >> force becoming extinct, no place forh placeorse becoming extinct, no place for a climb in this world. >> did you hear what he called me? [laughter] >> neckline is just another word for horse. bill: house lawmakers met to talk about an icon of the

american west. the galloping green light was given to restore the american mustang. they say that it will save thousands of horses from being slaughtered every year on federal land, including a horse census every two years. it provides birth control for the horses. that bill is headed to the senate. megyn: how are they going to administer birth control for horses? bill: we will be on that. megyn: i do not think everyone to know. i am a [laughter] all for preventing the slaughter of forces, but $1 billion? ok. remember the $787 billion stimulus plan that was supposed to generate jobs? it was all about jobs in the hardest-hit areas. for instance, i hope a county --

coyahoga county. they are getting $160 million for infrastructure projects to create jobs. they are also getting $125 million to help individuals with disabilities, educating the children, homelessness prevention. those all seem like a worthy causes, but how do they create new jobs? when will they see the money? joining me now, brian sullivan from the fox business network. this reminds me of when you try to go to the rite aid and you try to buy toothpaste and they ask you to donate a dollar to help children with cancer and you say yes, of course, then you said you do not know who you gave $1 to. where is the money going? how do you say no to that list? yet, is its stimulative? >> i thought about that exact sentiment when i wrote my blog.

friday afternoon, ohio sent out a note about where the money would go. i thought that these are good programs. we want to help people who are disadvantaged. at the same time, putting them under the recovery act, labeling them as a stimulus, that was disingenuous. are these programs going to create jobs? you have got to have people out there building and fixing roads. helping kids getting higher test scores. whetherizing -- weatherizing homes, those are good things. are they stimulus? i do not know. megyn: the obama administration has come under fire for similar things in the past. they always say that that will require us to hire teachers, to hire the people that help the people with disabilities. all about the jobs for helping the people who are in need. that sounds legitimate.

>> what we need to do is say that here is the point, we are trying to stay on top of this money over at fox business. health care, contraceptives, everything that you guys are talking about, this stimulus plan has gotten away from the headlines. i will be calling these organizations. asking, are you hiring more teachers to help disadvantaged kids? this is not an ohio story, this is federal taxpayer dollars. $15.5 million to protect rivers and streams? is that going to result in another ranger going around in his boat yelling at people? megyn: just one of them? >> exactly, we need to find that out. we need to stay on top of this money. some of it looks like stimulus. other stuff, not just picking on cleveland -- but they were the biggest recipient.

megyn: i thought that we had joe biden. nobody messes with joe, remember that thing? any wasteful spending, joe biden is on it? >> i think that they are keeping him out of the spotlight. he is having difficulty with speeches. megyn: plus he gave away the location of the vice- presidential bunker. >> like we talked about, it is like getting lost in the shuffle. this was news a couple of months ago. maybe this is part of this strategy. i need like another me to help go through this stuff. i was at the beach, reading stimulus documents. megyn: joe, according to the white house, nobody messes with him. >> that horse program, they will administer the contraceptives every [stomps] years. [laughter] nay.

[laughter] bill: anytime that the state has to put out a website to track the idea is to track billions of dollars, you are in a bit of a pickle. a novel idea, who is on board so far? megyn: i want to hear the names myself. new developments with michael jackson's ex-wife, debbie rowe. the lawsuit that she has just filed that is not winning her any new friends. bill: a radical islamic affiliate, holding a news conference and a conference for members here on american soil, talking about the overthrow of capitalism. it happened over the weekend. we will tell you where and why. ♪

bill: happening now, live in washington, chairman of the republican party slamming the president's proposed health care reform plan. michael steele, saying it will hurt the economy and forced millions to drop coverage and sign up for a government plan. >> the president is rushing this experiment through congress so fast, we have not had a moment to think if it worked, or to think about the consequences to our nation, economy, and families. bill: michael steele says that the republican party wants a health care system where patients and doctors make their own decisions. megyn kelly has more now. megyn: looking to find cost savings in medicine, democrats are looking to shift control over health services to a so-

called medical advisor recounts all. basically, government bureaucrats that will decide which services are essential for you and which ones are not. is that the government getting between you and your doctor. is it appropriate? joining us for a fair and balanced debate, mark siegel and arthur fine. arthur is the president of physicians for a national health-care program. good morning, doctors. i do not know about you, but i feel safe on the set. look at the doctors. this is getting more and more attention, this medical advisory council proposed by the senate. there is a similar proposal in the house. their recommendations, according to the report, would be binding. bureaucrats getting their recommendations together, then you, doctors, some say that you

have the decision taken out of your hand on what is good for your patient. doctor, have i stated the facts correctly? >> i like how you are putting it. the truth is that not only does doing this take a decision out of my hand, which, by the way, medicine is an art, one-on-one, nobody in washington, no bureaucrat can make that decision for me. do you know what they will not take away? liability. they will make the decision on what i can do, what i cannot, more and more restrictions to cut down on costs, a decrease in reimbursement to me. all of this is about insurance, not health care. in the end i will get penalized. we already have a problem with primary-care doctors. that will get worse under a government controlled system. megyn: dr. fein? >> physician for the national health program believe that the real problem is with the health

insurance industry, not with the medicare program. medicare is a single payer program and it has the highest satisfaction amongst insurance programs. megyn: in understand. they are talking about creating a medical and -- i do not understand. they are talking about creating a medical advisory committee. as far as i understand it would be a committee that would oversee the government run faction of the health care program. the concern is that doctors taking patients under that would be forced to do what the council things as right as opposed to what they think is right. >> we would have physicians giving more input into that kind of a council, frankly, than we do in the setting of private health insurance, where frankly we as physicians have very little control over what happens in the private health insurance industry and what they say they will cover. >> i completely disagree with that.

this is too weak. i will tell you why. we have zero control with the government. he is right about one thing, negotiating with insurance is difficult. at least we are sitting there with the patient making these decisions and trying for approval. we will wind up with waiting lines. it will put this together with a public auction, getting rationed care and all lines like in canada. looking at british columbia, in an emergency you can get your surgery right away. right behind that you see 16,000 people waiting for hip replacements. who decides whether something is urgent? megyn: dr. fine says that if the government makes changes such that doctors like yourselves have to except

publicly funded health care patients, you are not going to be able to get in to see your doctor in the time that you can now. it will basically add to the waiting time that people have to deal with, decrease services in terms of testing because doctors will be overwhelmed. your thoughts? >> frankly, i think that the only way that we can solve the issue of having a lack of primary care doctors is to have a national health insurance program in the united states that encourages people, physicians and the public, to use primary care. >> but they are not paying for that. there is no big money going towards the training of primary- care doctors. 2% are going into primary medicine. do you know why? hi loans and reimbursement getting caught. -- high loans and reimbursement

getting caugcaut. megyn: how'd you do that? >> and dealing with the difficulty that private health insurance takes 20% off of the top of all health care dollars. if we could go from that multi- payer system to a single payer national health insurance program, we would have 20% to pay its primary doctors more. megyn: dr. fine is a bit left of the democrats on that one. a single payer for everyone is not being proposed. >> medicare sets the standards, not private insurance. doctors think that private payers are better than medicare. they follow in line. medicare has government power and is already a problem.

medicare sets the standards. megyn: last word, dr. fine? >> just to say that there was a study recently showing that primary-care doctors spend over three of four weeks of practice time dealing with private health insurance companies, paperwork and so forth. that could really change under a national health insurance. megyn: i want to keep viewers up to speed. your point, dr. siegel, is that as goes medicare, so goes private insurers. >> exactly. we will have more forms and paperwork. >> that is not true. megyn: dr. fine disagrees. good debate. good issues. hard for a non-doctor to follow, but basically a debate over how much government intervention that we walk. doctors, best ski boat. bill: for the record, that is

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megyn: we are learning more about the missing u.s. soldiers captured in afghanistan. this is a recent photograph. the image was taken from a video posted by the taliban over the weekend. it turns out that family and friends in his home town had known about his whereabouts for a while, but were keeping it under wraps out of respect for his family. we are expecting new details from the pentagon and what is being done to find this soldier. jennifer griffin has been on this since the beginning. bill: about 7000 people, everyone is talking about it. a group with ties to al qaeda, openly hosting a major conference in the u.s. chicago, illinois. this is a promotional video for the event.

it was called the fall of capitalism and the rise of islam. it goes on for about another minute. the former deputy race -- former deputy secretary a system of defense, frank, is with us. what is the mission of this group? >> very simple. they wish to establish the caliphate, a theocratic form of government ruling the world, subject in all of us, muslim and non-moslem alike, to authoritative, repressive brutal programs. it is the justification for g jihad. you are supposed to engage in violent g. jihad to bring about the caliphate.

bill: they started in 1950 through in jerusalem. what are they doing in chicago this weekend? >> 83 phase aspect to it. the first part is the covert training and recruitment phase, the second is more overt, seeking to establish themselves, getting into the violence and so on. phase two, in chicago, for the purposes of beginning to become overly in gauge in promoting their agenda. interestingly enough, there are a bunch of muslim organizations, all trying to promote the same basic end

game, but they are uncomfortable with having guys as radioactive as this. the truth is that they share the agenda of forcing all of us, muslims that do not want to live under this or non-muslims alike, all to submit to their program. bill: ultimately they say they do not engage in terrorism. they are not listed as a known terrorist group. if that is the case, why are they banned in germany and russia? >> as well as a number of error -- arab countries because they are of course a terrorist group. bill: are they raising money in chicago? are they trying to recruit and get names of people that live in the u.s.? >> all of the above. i think that they are entering an overt phase where they are seeking to take advantage of the fact that our government, for whatever reason, is not

accurately recognizing the danger that they represent. interestingly enough, even if they are doing that they are promoting an effort to suppress our exercise of freedom of speech, making a kind of conversation that you and i are having right now illegal because it would defamed islam. we had better be clear about it, and if we are not be will find ourselves inexorably succumbing to the pressure that the brotherhood and others are trying to impose on us to go with their programs. bill: these lectures over the wit -- over the weekend include the following, capitalism is doomed to fail, the global rise of islam. what do they ultimately get from sunday's meeting? >> unfortunately, i am afraid that they will get more of a footprint in america, more of

the base of support, changing the agenda in this country. one aspect of it, a counterpoint to capitalism. bill: thank you, sir. we will see you again. megyn: if you voted yes on the health care reform bill, you should read it. that is all that this one group is asking of federal lawmakers on capitol hill. please read your bills. you will not believe who has said no to that request. today, as promised, we name names. bill: can we make them famous? this woman, michael jackson's ex-wife, debbie rowe. the lawsuit that she has just filed and what she has just said about the children. that is a topic today.

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bill: in boston, a trolly operator accused of using texting during a crash, facing up to three years behind bars. the police say that he was sending his girlfriend a text message when he missed a red light, slamming into a stopped trolly in a subway tunnel. the accident injured 60 people, costing $9 million in property damage. >> show me the money! show me the money! show me the money! show me the money! show me the money! show me the money!

megyn: [laughter] that is a great scene from the scene -- from the film "jerry mcguire." how are appropriate, today is an important day for the obama administration. today is the deadline for each cabinet official to come up with a $100 million in spending cuts. so far, but guess. peter barnes is live in washington with more. peter, what exactly did the president ask for? >> as you remember, back on april 20, the president's first cabinet meeting where he announced that his cabinet secretaries had cut $17 billion in spending. he said that he is asking for each one to identify $100 billion in additional cuts within 90 days. and in the next few weeks they expected to cut 100 current programs from the federal budget. it has been in 90 days and it

has been more than a few weeks, where are the cuts? megyn: as i said in the intro, here we are with but yes. have we seen anything? -- with bupkiss. have we seen anything? >> we ask the white house for the information this morning. listen, we all know that $100 million is chump change in the budget. but when the president is talking about cutting hundreds of billions of dollars in medicare spending to help pay for health care reform, if you cannot deliver on $100 million, how can you become -- >> show me the money! jimmy the money! megyn: [laughter] they keep playing it over and over. president obama needs cuba gooding jr. to work, congress for him. >> cabinet secretaries will be

reporting to the president shortly. maybe this money just fell into the south of. [laughter] megyn: like you said, what is $100 million compared to billions? thank you, peter. bill: before they got a break in a few weeks, still a work in congress, democrats and republicans are uneasy about a government program. is today the day they get closer to a deal? megyn: across the pond, a tactic to death by birds. we are live on the southern front. ♪ you know, the guys who do a super job. introducing the superguarantee. go to superpages.com to find a business with the superguarantee. we're so confident in these super businesses we stand behind their services. you'll get the job done right

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[captioning made possible by fox news channel] captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org-- megyn: lawmakers on capitol hill are just getting back to work at this moment trying to meet the president's deadline for health care reform. so far, two committees in the house, another in the senate, approving separate versions of health care reform with no bipartisan support. welcome to a brand new hour of "america's newsroom." bill: president obama wants congress to solve the health- care debate before their recess in a few weeks. meanwhile, what is being proposed is facing steep

opposition. 50 house democrats have said that they will not support the bill on the table at the moment. there are growing concerns, ultimately, over the price tag. megyn: shannon, good morning. talk about the estimate of the congressional budget office and how both sides of the aisle are spinning when it comes to costs. the congressional budget office is number-cruncher's that look at legislation and spit out numbers. on friday they issued a frightening number, $239 billion in deficit costs because of the housing plan. that does not sound good. the gop jump on that number to say look at what we are talking about. making sure that it is the right thing to say, there were calculations that were not in doubt, changes to medicare and medicaid that will be deficit neutral. the president has said that he does not want to sign

everything that will -- sign anything that will have a negative impact on the deficit. the number from the cbo is a $239 billion deficit over 10 years. megyn: so, they will make things worse in terms of the deficit with these plans, not better? in the meantime there was tapped -- there was talk on capitol hill, originally, of paying for health care reform not by taxing the wealthy, but maybe by squeezing some savings and by taxing health care benefits, ones that we get from our insurance companies already. they are not going to abandon them quickly, because the unions that have cost health care plans, is that percolating back? >> it is going back and forth, like everything that we see on this bill from day to day.

yesterday, peter orszag, head of office it -management and budget said that there is room for it cannot be taken out. there has been a lot of fighting between the senate committee in the finance committee, where they are trying to work something out in a bipartisan manner. this topic keeps coming up again and again. harry reid a couple of days ago said that we need to abandon this idea. americans hate this idea. megyn: democrats favored it as a reasonable means, but they do not like to mess with the unions. jan, thank you so much, friend. bill: if you missed it at the top of the hour, the health care headlines developing like this -- the possibility of taxpayer funded abortions might be part of the final health care reform.

peter orszag was on "fox news sunday" over the weekend, saying that american taxpayers might have to pay for these procedures under the new plan. >> that will be a part of the debate. i cannot say it explicitly right now. obviously a controversial issue, a question that he's playing out. >> not prepared to rule it out? >> and not prepared to rule it out. bill: the congressmen will join us live for a follow-up. megyn: a very big deal. federal accident investigators are faulting the pilots for the jet accident in denver last year. the continental 737 her mind off the runway at 100 miles per hour in high winds. these pictures are just devastating. the airplane broke apart, bursting in the plains. amazingly, there were no deaths.

37 people were injured. the wind was blowing up to 50 miles per hour. safety said that the captain took too long to shut down the engines and abandon the takeoff. bill: from overseas, 23 years old from idaho, now we are getting the first pictures of a young american soldier in the hands of the taliban. the taliban released a video of him, we are only showing still pictures from the tape. the pentagon called the video propaganda. fox has chosen not to air it. he has been missing since july 2. as you can imagine, his family and friends are very distraught this morning. jennifer griffin is with me now. good morning. what is the pentagon saying at this moment as opposed to what the family is saying? >> basically, the pentagon is

saying that the taliban is breaking all international laws and rules of war by making this video. remember the geneva convention? you can only show the name, rank, and serial number. they were clearly coaxing him through his statements. there was clearly someone prompting him from off-camera. this video was obviously made underdress, scripted, and the pentagon is upset that it has been put out. the family is requesting privacy. he is from a small town in idaho. the entire town has kept quiet. they knew that one of their own was taken. for three weeks they had stayed quiet at the request of the family.

they are requesting that the media leave them alone right now. bill: that videotape is about 30 minutes long. are there any inaccuracies? >> we were told that the private had left the base without his weapon after his shift, without his body gardner -- body armor. in the video he says that he was captured because he fell behind on a routine patrol. that is not accurate. what is most striking is how this statement appears to be so forest. bill: we know how these kidnappings turn out in the theatre of war in iraq. what about kidnappings in this part of the country? >> the military said they think that the same group behind the kidnapping of the "the new york times" so correspondent is behind this.

remember, he escaped in a dramatic escape last month. bill: that is right. thank you, jennifer. megyn: new information this morning on a horrific crime from over the weekend. this tennessee man is accused of killing six family members. we are now told that he had a history of fighting with his estranged wife. police say they found 30-year- old jason schaefer outside of one of the homes where he went on a rampage this weekend. he stands charged with six counts of homicide. police say that he first killed a man in alabama, then drove to fight a bill where he murdered his wife, her father, her brother, teenage son, and a friend. his 4-year-old daughter was at home during the killings, thankfully unharmed. bill: in the last hour we mentioned debbie rowe, she was

married to michael jackson, right? we have the official count, they did not quite make it to the third anniversary. megyn: so sad. bill: coming up in "kelly's court," right? megyn: now, what is coming up is that she is filing a lawsuit -- now, what is coming up is that she is filing a lawsuit. is he cutting a deal with the jackson family? -- is she cutting a deal with the jackson family? [laughter] bill: a trip that almost turned tragic, the father had one tool at his disposal to save his family. we will hear from them today. megyn: do you see this bird? beautiful, right? it is leading -- leaving people bleeding from the head. my goodness.

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bill: from the category of slightly uncomfortable, a family camping in wyoming when a father decides to chop some would with a chainsaw. that is when he came face-to- face with a mountain lion, just like the one that you see here. he uses the only weapon at his disposal, a chain saw. he says that he is grateful that his family was not with him. >> i went back to the trailer to get my chain saw. i tied up the dog. my son decided to stay at the camp, thankfully. i did not bring the saw up until i knew what it was going to do.

his head was about here. it batted at me. i hit it with the sock, and it left. it was like hitting it with a stick. i felt like i had flesh, but it never dug in. not real big. bill: a story for the folks back home. man, all men. while by officers later shot and killed a mountain lion after it attacked -- wildlife officers later shot and killed a mountain lion after it attacked a dog. the family is ok. megyn:wow. wow. bill: going to bring down the room in little more? megyn: i only like a cute and cuddly animal stories. ducks crossing the road at the traffic stop. megyn: that was ok. the fuzzy ones. bill: the bear that falls out of the tree. megyn: does so much with dogs getting killed and melamine and

getting shot. -- not so much with dogs getting killed and mountain lions getting shot. so, taxpayer funded abortions, the administration is open to the idea. but is that what you want? a republican from pennsylvania says now. he is trying to stop this, but has had little luck. >> good morning. megyn: when we heard this headline we thought that it could not be. then we saw peter or zag on sunday saying that we cannot rule it out. that it is still up for debate and that it might happen as a part of health care reform. they are going to start making taxpayers pay for abortions. >> that is right. there is an abortion mandate in the bill. the word abortion is not mentioned, but the mechanism that they set up with the health benefits advisory commission

after the bill is passed, that commission will define minimum benefits that any plan, private or public, must contain. they will define abortion and reproductive health care as basic health. from hillary clinton on down, people have indicated that that is exactly what the commission will do. megyn: not just the people under this new public option, but we are talking about every plant in america -- private, government, you name it, they are now potentially going to be paying for abortions, meaning that you and i will be paying for abortions. >> that is correct. if you as a private person purchasing private insurance coverage elect to not have abortion coverage, you will be penalized an additional tax on this premium. if you are an employer and you

do not provide the coverage, you will be taxed up to 8% in additional penalties. they are going to try to force this on all coverage, private and public. with that the public auction, the facts are clear. history is very clear. if you do not mention an explicit prohibition of abortion, like medicaid, the administrators and the courts will rule that you must provide abortion coverage. from 73 to 76 they were doing over 300,000 abortions per year with taxpayer funds. megyn: i know that the response from the democrats that have come out in response, they say look, abortion is legal in this country whether you like it or not. it is a legitimate medical procedure of held by the supreme court under limited circumstances.

therefore, as long as it is legal, health insurance plans should be covering it. your response? >> first of all, millions of americans have moral objections to being compelled to using tax funds to fund abortion. megyn: millions of americans object to contraception as well, yet they have to do it. >> every year we passed what is called the hyde amendment, which prohibits the use of public funds from being used for paying for medicaid abortions. 69% of americans object to their tax funds being used to promote abortions. now you will be penalized, if you have a moral objection to providing abortion coverage of private insurance, you will be penalized for it. in addition, if you are an

insurance provider, doctors and nurses that might have moral objections, there is no conscience clause to keep you from being compelled to participate in this. megyn: i understand that it is more important in the senate, where an amendment has said that she wants to cover women's health clinics to provide for any medical service as deemed necessary, which she admits would include abortion. they could not shoot it down. is this a done deal? are the american taxpayer is going to be funding this soon? >> no, in offering amendments with bipartisan support to oppose this -- i am offering amendments with bipartisan support to oppose this. under the mandate for access, counties that do not have this service could be forced to provide it. americans do not want this to be

part of health care. abortion is not part of health care. megyn: thank you for your update. come back when you have more news. bill: how about lawmakers that read a bill before they vote for it, right? that is novel. megyn: crazy. bill: who has signed a pledge to read the bill first and who has not? next. megyn: alfred hitchcock could not have done it better. huge birds at attacking unsuspecting people in real life. mother nature is dive bombers and pictures of the carnage. -- mother nature's a dive bombers and pictures of the carnage. geico's been saving people money on car insurance for over 70 years. and who doesn't want value for their dollar? been true since the day i made my first dollar.

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bill: it is like something out of an alfred hitchcock movie. in the u.k., birds of prey are swooping down and attacking people, leaving them bloody and bruised. check out this guy. so far two victims were jogging in the countryside when their peace was shattered. this is a bizarre story coming out of london. what is going on here? >> summertime, crazy stories like this. just like "the birds." cornwall by the sea, the birds are attacking. first, one jogger, his name is still work. jogging for about one hour, feeling pain at the back of his head. searing pain, 6 inches long, then he saw the blood. a buzzer came down on him -- buzzard came down on him.

another jogger was also attacked twice, and both victims went to the hospital for shots. these birds are not discriminating. also a teenage jogger was almost intact. bill: a tough crowd over there. good lord. [laughter] watch yourself in the countryside. is this the type of vulture that we think of in the u.s.? >> these are a bit smaller. i have a 4 foot wingspan. about 3 pounds. a member of the royal society for the protection of birds says that this behavior is highly unusual. i pressed him to find out why this was happening. he had two theories. one, they were defending their young. also, they might have escaped a human donor and were trying to return. like a hitchcock owner, he did not have an exact reason.

he hastened to reason that the -- all those these -- although these are birds of prey, they did not intend to eat any of the victims. then again, they did not want to eat the people in the movie either. [laughter] bill: keep them away from the back of your head. i love that movie. [laughter] if you are they third victim, you will tell us, right? >> absolutely. megyn: he goes from covering piracy on the high seas to byrd attacks. [laughter] he can do it all. congress is making a law that will change health care forever. before they sign it, one man wants them to read the bill first. sounds like a no-brainer, but it

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megyn: we are getting you remarks from michael steele on the democrats' health care reform efforts -- we are getting new world marks from michael steele on the democrats' health care reform efforts. he went on the offensive. >> staggering costs estimated by the cbo is not even include one of the biggest expenses in the bill. only washington can make saving money more expensive. it does not matter if your insurance charges more at the front door for higher premiums

or whether the president charges you more in the back door through higher taxes, it is the same thing. under the obama policy plan, costs are going up. megyn: congressional budget policy numbers are saying that this plan will put us more than $200 billion -- hard to keep track -- $239 billion, maybe? in the red? bill: you cannot hold the view. megyn: really sad when you get confused. bill: how about this one, if congress passes a health care reform bill, it will most likely be hundreds of pages long, maybe 1000 pages. the group called let freedom ring says that they should, trying to hold feet to the fire. this is the health care reform pledge, he is asking members of

congress to sign it by the end of the day. "i pledge to my constituents and the american people that i will not vote to enact any health care reform package that i have not read personally up, in its entirety, and has not been available to the american people in its entirety on the internet for abbey's 72 hours so that they can read it as well." how are you doing, my man? you are either very popular in washington or you are hated. >> could be both. bill: how many people have signed it? >> 62 people whose names will be released as soon as i walk off of this set. one more in the pipeline. we will continuously updated. everyone who is listed has signed a that we have an actual, written copy of the statement. we are not taking phone calls. those whose names have not

appeared have either not responded or have said no. we are checking to make sure that we know which it is before we list people as non-signers. bill: all right. 535 members of congress, how many signed? >> 63. bill: mostly republicans? >> all republicans. this should not be seen as a partisan matter. but signals from the white house and the senate and house leaders, signaling to the american people that they do not want the bill to be available for legislators or people to read. there may not be any democrats, although the 19 that signed a letter to the speaker -- bill: no democrats have signed this? >> i do not know yet. i would hope that at least amongst the 19 that signed the letter they would have identified themselves as perot-

like democrats who said that they would not vote for a health-care bill that compel the abortion, the same topic addressed on your show a few minutes ago. some of them may come on board. it appears that the leadership is sending signals to be a fact that they do not want the american people to see this, they want it to be rushed. bill: riddle me this, trying to get done before the august recess, it is a high mountain to climb. when people say that they do not want to sign input, what are they telling you? >> we want to be sure that we are not getting just a reluctant staff member based on a notion that they do not like pledges, but we would like a lawmaker to look at the pledge and say no, i will not sign it.

then we will start real publicity to get people to come after those lawmakers. bill: what if they say that no bill is perfect, looking for a compromise, i have got the just, is that not sufficient? -- i have got the gist, is that not sufficient? >> i do not think it is. certain issues rise to a higher level of significance, where the scope and nature are so big. capt. and trade was one of them. bill: just the act of doing this will raise the awareness of the american people. you can find ads www. pledgetoread.com. >> as soon as i walk away from this set.

bill: thank you for your time today. >> thank you. megyn: unbelievable. three of the apollo 11 astronauts, guests of the white house today. there make -- marking a world changing event. that project -- that tremendous feat some doubt perfectly by neil armstrong. >> one small step for man, one giant bling for mankind. megyn: the air and space museum is pulling out all the stops. brian wilson is there. >> the air and space museum is my backyard today. no pun. we can now visit with our technology. there it is. the lunar excursion module. i have learned that this is an

actual lunar excursion all, set up here to replicate what it was like on tranquillity base if you years ago as neil armstrong and buzz aldrin set foot on the moon. what they are talking about now is if they should go back to the moon. should we spend the money there? should we leapfrog to mars? i want to show you one other thing, if i could. want to know what it takes to get to the moon? what it takes to put that way on to another lunar body? this is what it takes. one of the five engines used to launch the space l.e.m. and space module into orbit. basically, we are sort of using the same sort of concept in

these new plans to go back to the moon. today the question is if we should go back to the moon. what do you think? >> i think that it would be cool to see what else we can do. >> ready to spend that money? >> yes. >> think that we should go back? >> yes. i think we should go back. technology is a lot better nowadays. communication could be great. people could twitter from the moon. more computing power than they had. that is how far we have come. >> unbelievable. megyn: i asked the moon walker what it was like to walk across the moon. he said that it was very bouncy. lots of distance with very little effort.

>> 16 the gravity, they felt like a pit -- weighed about 60 pounds. brian wilson, going to the moon. bill: if you can winterize by home with tax dollars, i can make it to the moon. a dramatic rescue at sea, caught on tape, consuming a boat in its entirety. megyn: "america's newsroom told you about this mysterious blob , and the mystery is solved. bill: michael jackson's death, debbie rowe is back in the picture, yelling at someone other than the paparazzi this week. a scathing lawsuit. what could it mean for the custody battle? we will decide it all in kelly's court, next.

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jon: good morning. when we join you in about 18 minutes, incredible video coming from milwaukee, a woman's car overturned, catching on fire. she was inside, along with her small children. how did they get everyone out? we will talk to the rescuers. and we have a video. the president, making his push for health-care. he has having problems from within his own party because they do not like the taxes in the plan. that is coming up. megyn: "kelly's court" is back in session. michael jackson's ex-wife, debbie rowe, fallout -- filing a

scathing lawsuit. she made allegations that shocked the world. here she is, getting in the face of the paparazzi. >> do not [bleep] touch me. megyn: rebecca white told extra television that debbie rowe e- mail her confessing that her motive for seeking custody is cash. she says that she got an e-mail right afterwards saying "do i want the kids, doesn't look good for me -- does up -- do i want the kids? hello. does it look good for me to ask for them? absolutely pure " so, does that deerow have a case -- absolutely." so, how does this affect the custody case? let's go to the panel. good morning.

so, she filed this thing. debbie rowe says that rebecca white is a liar. those allegations, it circulated around the globe when it came out. that it would look bad if i did not go after them. that she has put her money where our mouth is. david, does she have a case? >> i think so. she will have to prove actual malice. with the entire world watching, with so much at stake, that she would send these kinds of e- mails, it could do tremendous damage to her as a person and to our own children. listen, in this lawsuit, i went over it very carefully, she has a long history of making unfounded allegations regarding affiliations with other stars,

making false allegations of what has happened, salacious problems. that really does tremendous damage. it can be easy to cut and paste words in e-mails to make them what you want to say. it is hard to imagine that there is any credibility, and i think that debra wrote -- debbie rowe succeeds in the complaint. megyn: there were lots of allegations about this woman, rebecca of white, lying. but i do not see the proof in the complaint that the story was in fact false. i think that it might still be an open question. how does it relate to this lawsuit? where does debbie rowe stand? >> thank goodness this woman

came forward to expose this rented-a-womb moment. could she have put this in an e- mail? she was telling us to back off. second, why does someone -- she was a reporter for another network. she knows what it means to put out facts that are lies. we all know that it is more it -- that it is for the money. we know that there are facts underlying the custody issue, she gave up those children for millions of dollars to michael jackson. not outside of the realm of possibility. megyn: twice this woman has got money from jackson, reports are that she is going for a third time as a charm.

david, there were e-mails, e- mails that this woman claimed that she got from debbie rowe. been rebecca wright said that debbie rowe was about to strike a deal with the jackson family that would pay for millions to back off again if she is going to get custody for the children. debbie rowe says the that is a lie as well, and that more than that, it will never happen. she will never take another dollar for custody over these children. that seems explicit to me. >> one of the e-mails allegedly said that the kids were not mine, they were never mind. why would she write something like that if she was going to make a claim? look, she tried to elicit rights earlier when he was alive. that means adopt the kids, not

just take authority. so, that is not going to happen. this entire lawsuit is going to be powerful. this woman makes things up, she has a history of it. megyn: one more question, produce the e-mail. >> exactly. once they come forward, great. we did not hear about lawsuits or temporary restraining orders, but some of the things she is alleged to have disclosed, naomi campbell had charges against her for illegal drugs. it is really problematic when you put these kinds of things in the complaint, i grant you that. but the proof is in the pudding. we have lots of rose to how -- rows to hoe.

megyn: it is more than rebecca wright making the allegation. thank you both so much. one final word for our viewers, the credibility of this so- called friend seen sketchy at best. where are the e-mails? on the other hand, apparently not just rebecca writes made his prediction. they are waiting for this case to go way, when and if she cuts the deal. bill: i heard $3 million last week. megyn: how many millions can she get? bill: the price tag coming out of washington, how could this affect the state where you live?

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bill: the nation's governors wrapped up their annual conference. the first issue is health care overhaul. some of the state leaders are calling it in under -- and unfunded mandates in do not like the price tag. good morning, jonathan permit what are their concerns down there? >> good morning. governors already struggling with state budget summit's the recession. state governments are heavily dependent on sales tax. with consumer spending unexpectedly low, they are taking a punch. governors are expressing general consensus that health care reform is necessary.

they are expressing concern about the financial burden of government sponsored health-care plans. bill: the suggestion is that their costs will go up and they will have to find some way to pay for it in their own budgets? >> that is what they are worried about. they're worried about unfunded federal mandates. they are afraid that the federal government will not back the of goals up with funding. bill: thank you for being there, jonathan. megyn: we have some stunning new numbers if the 2012 presidential election were held today, how does mitt romney matchup against president obama? how about sarah palin? we will have that after the news break. bill: ever wish you were the

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megyn: fox news alert. a brand new poll about the election of 2012. the numbers shake out like this

person -- president obama if faced by a presidential contender mitt romney, he would be tied. if the president is challenged by sarah palin, the president wins by six percentage points. bill: we are not starting this stuff already, are we? check it out. the famous hot dog hot rod drove into a garage. police say that the driver thought she was moving in reverse. she was wrong. megyn: friday on "america's newsroom," we told you about a mysterious blob off the coast of alaska. the coast guard suspected an oil spill. now we have an answer. the