we will end it there. that is all the time we have this evening. do not forget, our special universal health care nightmare, a full hour dedicated to the proposals of barack obama, which will bankrupt us. greta van susteren takes it over. we will see you back here tomorrow night. greta: a problem with the health-care plan and even some democrats. secretary of state hillary clinton goes on the record in mumbai, india. white india directly affects us and our wallets. -- why india directly affects us. and on another note, whether chelsea clinton is getting married. and remember the social security administration's ç$700,000 taxpayer dancing extravaganza? we have more. in some of the money we are spending from that stimulus

money being flat out wasted? is taxpayer money lining the pockets of those who should not have it? an investigative reporter is here. you may blow a gasket when you hear it. andç according to a new "the washington post"/abc poll, people approving of the barack obama is health-care plan, down that the number that was a proving less than one month ago. is this a bad omen? joining us is senator rick santorum. nice to see you, senator. 49%, down from 53%. it is still a good number. >> it is not a great number. it is less than 50%. there is now a distinct separation between the present popularity of obama and what he is doing on the issues, whether it is health care -- between the president's popularity

personally and what he is doing on the issues. when i was in congress, i never looked at the george bush -- i looked at the numbers that affected me. if his job approval numbers go down, that means my numbers are going to be affected on election day. greta: how bad can it be? >> it can get huge. the gap. i think in the case of obama -- in george bush case, it was not huge. they beat up on him personally as well as in politics -- in george bush's case. they are enamored with him. even though his numbers, still, his popularity numbers are very high, his job approval numbers in a lot of such areas are starting to tank, and the house, i have got to tell me. these guys in the house have got

to be sweating. they have been put through the ringer on cap and trade. now, they are going to be asked about -- through the wringer on cap and trade. this ship is starting to take on water. >çgreta: a lot are voting on health care, it 1000-page bill, having never read it. -- a 1000 page bill. if you are going to vote on it, read it. >> they are going to try to take these three committee bills and melsom"ujt)q) so they will be forced to gather into a plane -- and meld them together so they will be forced together into a plan. greta: they expect they will read the bill. >> no. this is so complex. the size and scale of what they are trying to do is mind-

boggling. greta: do you really understand it? >> i have work in this area a long time. do i understand everything? no. greta: i do not understand it, and that is not a good sign. >> every house member is just going to" words, and you hear this all of the time, "look, we will fix it. -- every house member is going to hear the words. greta it goes out to these hospitals come out to these insurance people -- greta: it goes out to the hospitals, out to these insurance people. >> we have seen this in dozens and dozens -- greta: that is it. we are done with it. the american people are sick of this. >> i hope you are right. this is the greatest threat to the future of the american people that we have ever seen.

greta: nobody can reach that judgment when it is so convoluted, complex, 1000 pages, if you hear so many different stories. >> -- and you hear so many different stories. >> the costs associated with it, the congressional budget office, many organizations coming out and telling how much it will cost, and you are talking about big medicare cuts. you have democrats which have been the big defender of medicare, holding it up as the model of efficiency, the motto of what we need toç direct this plant ward, -- the model of what we need to direct this plan towards, and medicare is the worst payer of all of the health-care payers. this is going to have a profound effect on seniors. greta: when i was looking at my mother's medicare papers, i put them in a drawer.

i would get lost. i just hoped for the best. >>ç what obama is counting on s that they do this quickly. greta: what is his rush? >> because it will not stand up to scrutiny. greta: that is terrible. >> of course, that is terrible, but that is what goes on around here. transparency. if barack obama had come in, and we have talked about this, and if he had come in and done a stimulus package and given republicans one-quarter of the bill and said, "put your stuff in there and give us the of three-quarters, and we will do this," he would have gotten 300 votes in the house, and the republicans would have a and part of this, but he did not do that. virtually no republican votes -- and republicans would have owned part of this. he is owning this problem more and more, and it is going to be

a big noose around a lot of democrat necks. they do not want you to know. greta: we are getting back one. senator, thank you. and congratulations to you. you are about to break another record. well, on second thought, you might not like this. it might even be a bit of a headache to you. an unprecedented deficit, congress on pace to spend $4 trillion this fiscal year, shattering the previous level of $3 trillion spent in 2008. joining us is adam shapiro, a reporter for the fox business network. usually, i like to break records. not this time. >> 3 trillion and some change. greta: i got that wrong. now we are so busy like what

these big numbers and printing money, billions, trillions, it is sort of meaningless to us. what does this mean? >> that is a good question. because the numbers are so huge, does anybody really get it? the entire u.s. gdp, our economy is roughly $14 trillion, so we are going to spend, the u.s. government is roughly going to spend $4 trillion as part of its budget, and almost half of that is going to be barred. we have toç borrow almost $1.90 trillion to meet our budget -- almost half of that is going to be borrowed. this tells you where we stand. a lot of people are saying that the u.s. is broke. we of the world's largest economy and we can afford this type of economy, is what some other people are saying,2but we cannot do it forever, and the question is, when do those numbers start to come down? greta: there is this

deflationary spiral, also a word regrettably used during the depression in the 1930's. first of all, what is a tip a deflationary spiral -- what is "a deflationary spiral"? >> a "deflationary spiral" is what they're trying to avoid, when everything, including wages, false, and they cannot stop the fall. most economists tell you we are not there -- including wages, falls. has the value of your other assets gone down? what about the people taking these follows? that is, in effect, a reduction in wages. one of the threats has to be from the federal reserve, the

president of the federal reserve bank in california. this is pretty serious business, but they use all of these fancy terms, greta, at the bottom line is that right now, the so-called experts say, "no, we are not in that deflationary spiral." greta: we're either going up, we are going down, or we are holding water, and you look at the various indicators, whether it is inflation -- what are the guideposts? is the $800 billion from february, are there any flags that sure we are on the upswing? >> not yet. they keep saying we will not see defects of the stimulus which everyone is hoping will be employment, but we will not see that, they said, until 2010, perhaps 2011 -- either any flags that show we are on an upswing? what is a liquidity trap? think of it this way. if you drink so much that you are afraid of sobering up, this

is when you have money but you do not spend it because you are afraid you will lose your job, and then the guy who runs the store who does not get your money has to close shop. then you say that is a reason to save your money. çthe end result is you have got to give into it some point and realize it is beyond your control. greta: and that is what the president does not want to surprise -- scare us too much. anyway, adam, thank you. up next, how can they do this to us? an unbelievable, shocking ways. an investigative reporter isç your comment and they have been digging about how the stimulus money has been spent. and senator hillary clinton goes on the record from mumbai, india. she could be in the same room with an official from the north korean governments in. what will she do?

will she talked to the north korea or ignored him? that and much more coming up we will sheetrock -- where she talk -- will she talk to the north korean or ignore him? ñ?

greta: guess what? according to the associated press, the government has wasted millions of your dollars from the stimulus package. how? listen to president obama in a speech last month talking about no bid contracts. >> by eliminating no bid contracts, we canç save the american people up to $40 billion every year. greta: $40 billion. those are the president's words and no-bid contracts. is that what is happening? -- in no-bid contracts.

>> they have been very receptive. they understand. greta: all right, have there been no-bid contracts with this stimulus bill, and if so, how much does it cost us? how expensive? >> there are not as many no-bid contracts as you think. there are probably less than 50%. greta: how much is that? how much is 15% -- there are probably less than 15%. >> the other point is that when there were federal agency contracts that were bid, what would you say in savings? the competitive bid save more than three times the amount than those that were not bid did. greta: in arizona, $2.70 million on a heating and air- conditioning conversion jobs, but they awarded the contract

at $3.10 billion without a bid. 70% we overpaid the estimate. >> and overall, greta -- 17% we overpaid the estimate. >> and overall, greta, by savings, they had budgeted amounts of what they thought they would cause. they came in under budget considerably by about $34 million when the competitively bid the jobs. it is good news they saved some money, but not as much as with bids. greta: any idea how much this is costing us, generally? >> you can say, if you applied that formula, for example, there is a little bit like $10 million in the contracts that we looked at that they may have been able to say if they had taken bids. greta: and we have no-bid contracts. >> yes, let me just argue one point for you in terms of the context.

the effort in the federal context, this is for minority businesses, veterans, women,ç o may not have been able to be involved in the federal contract work. the argument being -- greta: if they have estimated something is going to cost $2.70 million, for god's sake, do it at $2.70 million. do not do it for more just because we feel sorry for them. >> when they have competitive contract and among these types of firms, these disadvantaged firms, they save a tremendous amount of money there, too, around 15%. greta: how can they say they are not going to do no-bid contracts, and then they do no- bid contracts? >> they are committed to looking at a lot of the stimulus programs when it is in place,

and this is less than $1 billion of military contracts for about $7.50 billion to, for the next few years, so we will watch what happens. greta: it is july, and we have already done $10 million over. in the next few months, we will be over $20 million. that is a lot of money. why not hold their feet to the fire and say, "no, do not do it"? >> the reason we did our story is to bring this to light so people will talk about it. greta: i hope you stay on this aggressively, because it drives people crazy. it is a flat-out lie to say we are notç doing no-bid contract, and we are. thank you. up next, we have some news that might make even president obama sweats. republicans may be smelling blood in the water. it has toç do with mitt romney

and sarah palin. and secretary of state hillary clinton goes on the record in mumbai, india. and the north korean nuclear crisis. and on a lighter note, the rumors that chelsea clinton is getting hitched. we're covering it always secretary clinton. do not go away. [ door closes ] [ footsteps ] [ man sighs ] whew! a lot goes through your mind after an accident. but with liberty mutual, insurance issues won't. man: man! because we offer unlimited rental coverage, new car replacement, and accident forgiveness to help ease your mind. and that's our policy. liberty mutual insurance.

greta: well, president obama is in a dead heat. sort of. according to the rasmussen poll, if the 2012 election were held today, president obama and mitt romney are pulling head-to-head. what about sarah palin? if you put her in that same poll, in that same mix? in both hypothetical matchups, 3% are undecided. joining us live is a fox news contributor, tucker carlson. how about those numbers? >> unbelievable, but particularly also the mitt romney numbers. obama is not clinton. he has a mandate. by definition, the majority of voters voted for him, and to see this slippage this quickly is very telling, and i am convinced

that is what this is. this is not a reflection in a surge of popularity for mitt romney, though i think he has done a good job consolidating his base among conservatives, and sarah palin, as well, but i think this is a slip in the president's approval. greta: everyone thinks of mitt romney as a rich guy, knows how to do business, and knows how to organize, and i doç not think people have seen enough with the stimulus package. it is do-or-die with him and the economy. tucker: it is pretty amazing that 20 minutes ago, he isç the messiah, and people who were not democrats in most elections voted for the guy. i mean, he got support from moderates and republicans, and, really, that has dissipated. i have not seen a breakdown of every element in this poll, and i would like to flesh out exactly what this means, but

this is very clear that his support is dropping, and you have got to believe it is because of the policies. i have not seen any indication that people think he is a bad guy or that they do not like him personally. this health-care plan -- greta: have you figured it out? tucker: i know it expands medicare. greta: do you know what this is? tucker: this is a takeover of the health-care system. greta: it may be a good idea, but nobody understands it, and nobody has read it. tucker: expanding medicare eligibility to people over the poverty line, considerably over the poverty line, and this is a program that is more broken than any other program and a greater threat than any other program, so if we expend it more -- expanded more, i do not think deranged is a bad word.

secondly, people under serious punishment to get health insurance. the ideaç that you would be required to get it by the federal government or they will fine you, that is without precedent. it happened in massachusetts, but on a federal level, something is changing in america if that happens. greta: how do youç think the people feel across the country when they find out that they voted in these elections and sent these people to congress, and they are going to vote on this profoundly important legislation, and they have not even read it but are just voting? i cannot get past that one. tucker: i went to dinner the other night with a lobbyist, as you know, because you live here. they are typically very well informed. this lobbyist said, "i always read everything." greta but he is not voting. tucker -- greta: but he is not

voting. tucker: he does not know what is in it and has not had time to read it. greta: read the bill before you vote on it. tucker: how about this. "jeopardy." greta: you and i could be cohosts. tucker: i am there. greta: thank you. up next, secretary of state hillary clinton goes on the record. in a few hours, she may find yourself in the same room with a north korean official. -- she may find herself in the same room. what is she going to do? rumors are flying, and we have that, next, from mumbai, india. 

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secretary of state hillary clinton goes on the record. what about the nuclear crisis? and on a totally different note, it is chelsea clinton engaged? -- on a totally different note, is chelsea clinton engaged? this hotel is hugely significant. >> yes, we are in the taj hotel, which is one of the two hotels that were attacked on november 11 here in india. i wanted to stay here. i was very anxious to come to india. we waited until after elections were over, which we thought was appropriate, and i scheduled a trip to talk to the leaders about all the issues we are going to work on together, but i wanted to come to mumbai and to stay here, and i wanted to show sympathy and solidarity for the people who lost their lives in the terrorist attack and who courageously prevented more

deaths and injuries, and to make it very clear that we're going to work together to stamp out the scourge of terrorism. çgreta: where has it that they wanted you to do a press conference on the inside -- board has it. right or wrong? -- worxd has it? ç>> just after we did -- just s we did after 9/11, we are not giving in. we are in no way intimidated by the tariffs. they can wreak havoc and death, but they are no challenge for people -- we are not intimidated by the terrorists. i see it as a rebuke to those who plan and plot and carry out these horrible attacks, and i feel very strongly that you have to stand up against that. greta: is there any discussion about cap and trade? this is an issue in our country.

there is the standard that our congress wants to set, and that will have an enormous impact if they have tariffs on their products. where does that stand? >> i-90 brought with me a man to help see what we could work out with india. and i have made it very clear. number one, the united states wants to see india develop. we want to see the continuation of this astonishing rate of growth that is lifting millions of people out of poverty, but we see no contradiction between the eradication of poverty and doing it in a low-carbon economy. in fact, india is well positioned to use alternative forms of energy. they have chosen to invest çheavily in nuclear power, whih is a non-carbon-producing energy. they are looking at more solar and wind and other forms of alternative energy, so our job is to make it clear that we need

a global agreement, because climate change threatens all of us, but it particularly threatens theç people on the margins, the rural poor, because their soil is literally drying up and blowing away, so to make the case that there has got to be a way for india to leapfrog over the kind of industrial development that the united states and the west did which resulted in such a heavy toll on the environment, and there is a key difference. you know, when the united states and great britain and other countries were building a massive coal plants and pumping so much pollution into the air, we did not know any better. it has only been in the last 20, 25 years that there was this dawning awareness broadly shared that there was something wrong that we were seeing increases in temperature and changes in weather patterns. in our own country, it was not until barack obama became a president that our government

said, "you know what? we have got a problem. we have contributed to it, and we need to do something about it." when my husband did the kyoto agreement, it was not even sent to congress because it would not be passed. greta: there is this whole business or economic issue, and let me just jump ahead a little bit. we are here in india. if you are back in the states, why should they care in the states, not on the big moral picture about helping india, a person trying to put food on the table, why should they care? why should peopleç in america care about india? >> well, people in america care about india, number one, because they are a great and growing nation with more and more not just regional but global power, and decisions made in india here are going to affect the bread and butter isswe&"á$p)e important to americans.

how india decides to develop is going to impact on our climate, which is global. there is no boundary when it comes to climate, and there is certainly a lot of connections between india and the united states. we have a very active indian- american community that has made great contribution to our country, so there are links that are tangible and understood, but there is also the bigger picture. you know, the united states is looking for partnership. we need partners who will help us combat terrorism, help us combat the spread of deadly weapons, help us patrol the waters of the world as the pirates do not interfere with commerce, help us discover new technology and new prescription drugs and all of the other great research possibilities that india is focusing on that will improve the lives of americans. this should not be like a zero- sum game. if india is up, the u.s. is down, or if the u.s. is up,

india is down. as i have said repeatedly, we have to be looking for win-win and partnerships that benefit our people and at the same time benefit others. greta: you mentioned piracy. this makes me think of north korea and that boat that we chased recently. you are going on to bangkok, right? >> mm-hmm. greta: the ambassador will be at the congress. you do not get any intention to meet with him, do you? >> i am going to thailand for two reasons. i will go to bangkokç to meet with the prime minister and others and to show our respect and appreciation, because a lot of americans do not know thailand has very deep and important ties with the united çstates. we have one of our biggest embassy operations in thailand because bangkok is the center for a lot of what we do in so many important areas. we have huge military exercises every single year with thailand

where about 15,000 american troops are involved. and then, i am going to be foreign ministers meeting with the association of southeast asian nations, and countries from all of the world will be there, and i will be talking to the chinese, the russians, the south korean company japanese, to be others that will be there, but i do not have any plans to talk to the north koreans. they know where we stand, and they know what we expect. they are a member of the organization, so they will be there, as will the burmese. greta: so will you be in the same room with them? >> i do not know. we had our big conference in the hague, where we tried to get a global response with what we were doing in afghanistan, and the iranians were represented. obviously, i did not talk to them. they didç not talk to me. but they were there. greta: so you could be in the same room with them and just sort of not talk to each other.

>> well, we really do not have any intention of talking to them. i do not. çbecause what we are interested in is north korea coming back to the table and continuing the negotiations that will lead to a the neutralized the korean peninsula. -- lead to a denuclearized korean peninsula. our relationship is conditioned on their willingness to give up nuclear weapons, and they have not yet agreed to do that. greta: how will that happen? the u.n. just upped it again. they have been sanctioned and sanctioned and sanctioned. they're people think we are about to invade them at any seconds, and their government hates us, as well. how can we ever get them to do something? nothing has worked so far. >> greta, i think there is a difference. in the last few months, we have had such a unanimity on the part

of china, russia, others, and we of all border together and pass a very tough sanctions -- and we have all work together and passed very tough sanctions. there are people whose lives will be directly impacted because they are part of the north korean weapons, the north korean supply chain, and china is very clear in its condemnation of what north korea has done,ç which is different n degree than it has been in the past, and i have had many çconversations with my chinese counterpart and other chinese officials. they are extremely frustrated with the north koreans, and they are sending extremely strong messages to them. now, look at what happened with libya. starting when bill was president, continuing when president bush was there, and there was a constant diplomatic effort. it was difficult, persistent, but it paid off. glenn: here is the difference --

greta: hear is the difference. if you do not care about your people, if you let them starve -- here is the difference. what makes you think that they would respond even to china if you do not care about your people? >> because apparently the people there care about themselves. they care about their perks, and we are going after specific goods and services that will impact the people in power. greta: up next, morissette secretary clinton. will north korea be placed back on the state sponsor of terror list? -- more with secretary clinton. and is chelsea clinton engaged? you will find out. and later, the news for carrie çprejean. she may have been stripped of her crown, but now, it could she end up being the last laugh after all? -- but now, could she?

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bay. there are looking about taking 50 detainees to other countries, and there are still planning to close it by the end of the year. president obama honoring the first man to walk on the moon, neil armstrong, and buzz aldrin and others. they are urging the president to look beyond the moon and work towards a mission to mars. i am ainsley earhardt. we now return to "on the record with greta van susteren." check out our website at foxnews.com. thanks for watching fox. greta: warç with secretary of state hillary clinton. -- more with secretary of state hillary clinton. a.q. khan, the father of nuclear weapons in pakistan. are we confident that pakistan is no longer exchanging nuclear çweapons, advice, to north kor? >> we have no evidence of that.

no evidence that they are doing it. we have no evidence that they are doing it. this is something that would obviously be of great concern to us. we have raised it with our counterparts in pakistan. i think the relationships that we are building with our counterparts in intelligence and military in the government with both pakistan -- in pakistan are becoming quite positive, and this is not in the interest of pakistan at all for many reasons, so we have no evidence, and we are very vigilant about keeping an eye on that. greta: is there a timetable for putting north korea on the state sponsor of terrorism list? is there a timetable on that? >> we are looking into it, and we are gathering information. there has to be a trigger to it. there is a legislative process. you have to have evidence that

they're actually promoting and supporting, funding, assisting terrorism, and so, we are looking for any evidence that there may be, and, certainly, i welcome any of the viewers of your show or the fox network, if you have such evidence, to let us know. greta: çif they do get put on that list, what does that mean? >> well, it further sort of put the screws on them, at least from the united states' perspective, but we have got international screws that are pretty strong right now. we want to keep working those. we think those will have an impact, because there is very little commerce, if any, and very little that we can do strictly from the american perspective without partners, without people who see the world the way we do, and i am really gratified that more and more people see those threats as we see them. brigham and, of course, there

are our two american journalists -- greta: and, of course, there are our two american journalists. >> to reiterate what i said about one week ago, the united states wants to have these young women released, and we would hope that the north korean government would provide amnesty, would act, you know, to let them come home. i know how sorry they are for what they did. it is regrettable. but it is really something that would be an important action by the north koreans if they would be willing to take it. greta: now, to really shift gears. there are rumors about your daughter chelsea clinton getting married. >> if that is true,ç i do not know about it, so i hope the answer is no. there is no truth about that. we keep reading that, and i keep saying, "that is not true, that is not true."

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