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greta: guess what? according to the associated press, the government has wasted millions of your dollars from the stimulus package. how? listen to president obama in a speech last month talking about no bid contracts. >> by eliminating no bid contracts, we canç save the american people up to $40 billion every year. greta: $40 billion. those are the president's words and no-bid contracts. is that what is happening? -- in no-bid contracts.
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>> they have been very receptive. they understand. greta: all right, have there been no-bid contracts with this stimulus bill, and if so, how much does it cost us? how expensive? >> there are not as many no-bid contracts as you think. there are probably less than 50%. greta: how much is that? how much is 15% -- there are probably less than 15%. >> the other point is that when there were federal agency contracts that were bid, what would you say in savings? the competitive bid save more than three times the amount than those that were not bid did. greta: in arizona, $2.70 million on a heating and air- conditioning conversion jobs, but they awarded the contract
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at $3.10 billion without a bid. 70% we overpaid the estimate. >> and overall, greta -- 17% we overpaid the estimate. >> and overall, greta, by savings, they had budgeted amounts of what they thought they would cause. they came in under budget considerably by about $34 million when the competitively bid the jobs. it is good news they saved some money, but not as much as with bids. greta: any idea how much this is costing us, generally? >> you can say, if you applied that formula, for example, there is a little bit like $10 million in the contracts that we looked at that they may have been able to say if they had taken bids. greta: and we have no-bid contracts. >> yes, let me just argue one point for you in terms of the
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context. the effort in the federal context, this is for minority businesses, veterans, women,ç o may not have been able to be involved in the federal contract work. the argument being -- greta: if they have estimated something is going to cost $2.70 million, for god's sake, do it at $2.70 million. do not do it for more just because we feel sorry for them. >> when they have competitive contract and among these types of firms, these disadvantaged firms, they save a tremendous amount of money there, too, around 15%. greta: how can they say they are not going to do no-bid contracts, and then they do no- bid contracts? >> they are committed to looking at a lot of the stimulus programs when it is in place,
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and this is less than $1 billion of military contracts for about $7.50 billion to, for the next few years, so we will watch what happens. greta: it is july, and we have already done $10 million over. in the next few months, we will be over $20 million. that is a lot of money. why not hold their feet to the fire and say, "no, do not do it"? >> the reason we did our story is to bring this to light so people will talk about it. greta: i hope you stay on this aggressively, because it drives people crazy. it is a flat-out lie to say we are notç doing no-bid contract, and we are. thank you. up next, we have some news that might make even president obama sweats. republicans may be smelling blood in the water.
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it has toç do with mitt romney and sarah palin. and secretary of state hillary clinton goes on the record in mumbai, india. and the north korean nuclear crisis. and on a lighter note, the rumors that chelsea clinton is getting hitched. getting hitched. [ door closes ] [ footsteps ] [ man sighs ] whew! a lot goes through your mind after an accident. but with liberty mutual, insurance issues won't. man: man! because we offer unlimited rental coverage, new car replacement, and accident forgiveness to help ease your mind. and that's our policy. liberty mutual insurance.
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greta: well, president obama is in a dead heat. sort of. according to the rasmussen poll, if the 2012 election were held today, president obama and mitt romney are pulling head-to-head. what about sarah palin? if you put her in that same poll, in that same mix? in both hypothetical matchups, 3% are undecided. joining us live is a fox news contributor, tucker carlson. how about those numbers? >> unbelievable, but particularly also the mitt romney numbers. obama is not clinton. he has a mandate. by definition, the majority of voters voted for him, and to see this slippage this quickly is
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very telling, and i am convinced that is what this is. this is not a reflection in a surge of popularity for mitt romney, though i think he has done a good job consolidating his base among conservatives, and sarah palin, as well, but i think this is a slip in the president's approval. greta: everyone thinks of mitt romney as a rich guy, knows how to do business, and knows how to organize, and i doç not think people have seen enough with the stimulus package. it is do-or-die with him and the economy. tucker: it is pretty amazing that 20 minutes ago, he isç the messiah, and people who were not democrats in most elections voted for the guy. i mean, he got support from moderates and republicans, and, really, that has dissipated. i have not seen a breakdown of every element in this poll, and i would like to flesh out
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exactly what this means, but this is very clear that his support is dropping, and you have got to believe it is because of the policies. i have not seen any indication that people think he is a bad guy or that they do not like him personally. this health-care plan -- greta: have you figured it out? tucker: i know it expands medicare. greta: do you know what this is? tucker: this is a takeover of the health-care system. greta: it may be a good idea, but nobody understands it, and nobody has read it. tucker: expanding medicare eligibility to people over the poverty line, considerably over the poverty line, and this is a program that is more broken than any other program and a greater threat than any other program, so if we expend it more -- expanded more, i do not think deranged is a bad word.
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secondly, people under serious punishment to get health insurance. the ideaç that you would be required to get it by the federal government or they will fine you, that is without precedent. it happened in massachusetts, but on a federal level, something is changing in america if that happens. greta: how do youç think the people feel across the country when they find out that they voted in these elections and sent these people to congress, and they are going to vote on this profoundly important legislation, and they have not even read it but are just voting? i cannot get past that one. tucker: i went to dinner the other night with a lobbyist, as you know, because you live here. they are typically very well informed. this lobbyist said, "i always read everything." greta but he is not voting. tucker -- greta: but he is not
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voting. tucker: he does not know what is in it and has not had time to read it. greta: read the bill before you vote on it. tucker: how about this. "jeopardy." greta: you and i could be cohosts. tucker: i am there. greta: thank you. up next, secretary of state hillary clinton goes on the record. in a few hours, she may find yourself in the same room with a north korean official. -- she may find herself in the same room. what is she going to d
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hillary clinton -- greta: secretary of state hillary clinton goes on the record. what about the nuclear crisis? and on a totally different note, it is chelsea clinton engaged? -- on a totally different note, is chelsea clinton engaged? this hotel is hugely significant. >> yes, we are in the taj hotel, which is one of the two hotels that were attacked on november 11 here in india. i wanted to stay here. i was very anxious to come to india. we waited until after elections were over, which we thought was appropriate, and i scheduled a trip to talk to the leaders about all the issues we are going to work on together, but i wanted to come to mumbai and to stay here, and i wanted to show sympathy and solidarity for the people who lost their lives in the terrorist attack and who
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courageously prevented more deaths and injuries, and to make it very clear that we're going to work together to stamp out the scourge of terrorism. çgreta: where has it that they wanted you to do a press conference on the inside -- board has it. right or wrong? -- worxd has it? ç>> just after we did -- just s we did after 9/11, we are not giving in. we are in no way intimidated by the tariffs. they can wreak havoc and death, but they are no challenge for people -- we are not intimidated by the terrorists. i see it as a rebuke to those who plan and plot and carry out these horrible attacks, and i feel very strongly that you have to stand up against that. greta: is there any discussion about cap and trade? this is an issue in our country.
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there is the standard that our congress wants to set, and that will have an enormous impact if they have tariffs on their products. where does that stand? >> i-90 brought with me a man to help see what we could work out with india. and i have made it very clear. number one, the united states wants to see india develop. we want to see the continuation of this astonishing rate of growth that is lifting millions of people out of poverty, but we see no contradiction between the eradication of poverty and doing it in a low-carbon economy. in fact, india is well positioned to use alternative forms of energy. they have chosen to invest çheavily in nuclear power, whih is a non-carbon-producing energy. they are looking at more solar and wind and other forms of alternative energy, so our job
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is to make it clear that we need a global agreement, because climate change threatens all of us, but it particularly threatens theç people on the margins, the rural poor, because their soil is literally drying up and blowing away, so to make the case that there has got to be a way for india to leapfrog over the kind of industrial development that the united states and the west did which resulted in such a heavy toll on the environment, and there is a key difference. you know, when the united states and great britain and other countries were building a massive coal plants and pumping so much pollution into the air, we did not know any better. it has only been in the last 20, 25 years that there was this dawning awareness broadly shared that there was something wrong that we were seeing increases in temperature and changes in weather patterns. in our own country, it was not until barack obama became a
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president that our government said, "you know what? we have got a problem. we have contributed to it, and we need to do something about it." when my husband did the kyoto agreement, it was not even sent to congress because it would not be passed. greta: there is this whole business or economic issue, and let me just jump ahead a little bit. we are here in india. if you are back in the states, why should they care in the states, not on the big moral picture about helping india, a person trying to put food on the table, why should they care? why should peopleç in america care about india? >> well, people in america care about india, number one, because they are a great and growing nation with more and more not just regional but global power, and decisions made in india here are going to affect the bread and butter isswe&"á$p)e important to americans.
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how india decides to develop is going to impact on our climate, which is global. there is no boundary when it comes to climate, and there is certainly a lot of connections between india and the united states. we have a very active indian- american community that has made great contribution to our country, so there are links that are tangible and understood, but there is also the bigger picture. you know, the united states is looking for partnership. we need partners who will help us combat terrorism, help us combat the spread of deadly weapons, help us patrol the waters of the world as the pirates do not interfere with commerce, help us discover new technology and new prescription drugs and all of the other great research possibilities that india is focusing on that will improve the lives of americans. this should not be like a zero- sum game. if india is up, the u.s. is down, or if the u.s. is up,
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india is down. as i have said repeatedly, we have to be looking for win-win and partnerships that benefit our people and at the same time benefit others. greta: you mentioned piracy. this makes me think of north korea and that boat that we chased recently. you are going on to bangkok, right? >> mm-hmm. greta: the ambassador will be at the congress. you do not get any intention to meet with him, do you? >> i am going to thailand for two reasons. i will go to bangkokç to meet with the prime minister and others and to show our respect and appreciation, because a lot of americans do not know thailand has very deep and important ties with the united çstates. we have one of our biggest embassy operations in thailand because bangkok is the center for a lot of what we do in so many important areas. we have huge military exercises
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every single year with thailand where about 15,000 american troops are involved. and then, i am going to be foreign ministers meeting with the association of southeast asian nations, and countries from all of the world will be there, and i will be talking to the chinese, the russians, the south korean company japanese, to be others that will be there, but i do not have any plans to talk to the north koreans. they know where we stand, and they know what we expect. they are a member of the organization, so they will be there, as will the burmese. greta: so will you be in the same room with them? >> i do not know. we had our big conference in the hague, where we tried to get a global response with what we were doing in afghanistan, and the iranians were represented. obviously, i did not talk to them. they didç not talk to me. but they were there. greta: so you could be in the same room with them and just sort of not talk to each other.
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>> well, we really do not have any intention of talking to them. i do not. çbecause what we are interested in is north korea coming back to the table and continuing the negotiations that will lead to a the neutralized the korean peninsula. -- lead to a denuclearized korean peninsula. our relationship is conditioned on their willingness to give up nuclear weapons, and they have not yet agreed to do that. greta: how will that happen? the u.n. just upped it again. they have been sanctioned and sanctioned and sanctioned. they're people think we are about to invade them at any seconds, and their government hates us, as well. how can we ever get them to do something? nothing has worked so far. >> greta, i think there is a difference. in the last few months, we have had such a unanimity on the part
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of china, russia, others, and we of all border together and pass a very tough sanctions -- and we have all work together and passed very tough sanctions. there are people whose lives will be directly impacted because they are part of the north korean weapons, the north korean supply chain, and china is very clear in its condemnation of what north korea has done,ç which is different n degree than it has been in the past, and i have had many çconversations with my chinese counterpart and other chinese officials. they are extremely frustrated with the north koreans, and they are sending extremely strong messages to them. now, look at what happened with libya. starting when bill was president, continuing when president bush was there, and there was a constant diplomatic effort. it was difficult, persistent, but it paid off. glenn: here is the difference --
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greta: hear is the difference. if you do not care about your people, if you let them starve -- here is the difference. what makes you think that they would respond even to china if you do not care about your people? >> because apparently the people there care about themselves. they care about their perks, and we are going after specific goods and services that will impact the people in power. greta: up next, morissette secretary clinton. will north korea be placed back on the state sponsor of terror list? -- more with secretary clinton. and is chelsea clinton engaged? you will find out. and later, the news for carrie çprejean. she may have been stripped of her crown, but now, it could she end up being the last laugh after all? after all? -- but now, c[ female announcer] introducing a revolution in stain removal.
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they have to approve the deal. a mcdonald's restaurant in italy is the center of a hepatitis scare. the mcdonald's worker was diagnosed with the virus in gen. they were not notified until last week. some 10 dozen people who say there are urged to get preventive shot. -- some 10,000 people who say there are urged to get preventative shots. some troops feel like they are under house arrest. the transition of power is going smoothly. cretary of state hillary clinton. -- more with secretary of state hillary clinton. a.q. khan, the father of nuclear weapons in pakistan. are we confident that pakistan is no longer exchanging nuclear çweapons, advice, to north kor? >> we have no evidence of that.
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no evidence that they are doing it. we have no evidence that they are doing it. this is something that would obviously be of great concern to us. we have raised it with our counterparts in pakistan. i think the relationships that we are building with our counterparts in intelligence and military in the government with both pakistan -- in pakistan are becoming quite positive, and this is not in the interest of pakistan at all for many reasons, so we have no evidence, and we are very vigilant about keeping an eye on that. greta: is there a timetable for putting north korea on the state sponsor of terrorism list? is there a timetable on that? >> we are looking into it, and we are gathering information. there has to be a trigger to it. there is a legislative process. you have to have evidence that
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they're actually promoting and supporting, funding, assisting terrorism, and so, we are looking for any evidence that there may be, and, certainly, i welcome any of the viewers of your show or the fox network, if you have such evidence, to let us know. greta: çif they do get put on that list, what does that mean? >> well, it further sort of put the screws on them, at least from the united states' perspective, but we have got international screws that are pretty strong right now. we want to keep working those. we think those will have an impact, because there is very little commerce, if any, and very little that we can do strictly from the american perspective without partners, without people who see the world the way we do, and i am really gratified that more and more people see those threats as we see them. brigham and, of course, there
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are our two american journalists -- greta: and, of course, there are our two american journalists. >> to reiterate what i said about one week ago, the united states wants to have these young women released, and we would hope that the north korean government would provide amnesty, would act, you know, to let them come home. i know how sorry they are for what they did. it is regrettable. but it is really something that would be an important action by the north koreans if they would be willing to take it. greta: now, to really shift gears. there are rumors about your daughter chelsea clinton getting married. >> if that is true,ç i do not know about it, so i hope the answer is no. there is no truth about that. we keep reading that, and i keep saying, "that is not true, that
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is not true." çgreta: is hard to shut down rumors. >> i have had a hard time with that, shutting down -- is -- it is hard to shut down rumors. greta: when did, she will get married, but it is just not now -- one day, she will get married. >> not now. greta: carrie prejean was stripped of her crown, and she is striking back. we told you about that mystery blob floa ( conversation ) garth, you're up. hold on, i'm at capitalone.com picking a photo... for my credit card. here's one from my prom. oh, what memories. how 'bout one from our golf outing?
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