"hannity" is next. we will see all of you premium members on the post-game show. i am bill o'reilly. we do hope to see you next time. remember, the spin stops here, because we are definitely looking out for you. sean: just a short time ago, president obama faced off with reporters in his fourth primetime meeting during his presidency, and the president appeared to be living in his own fantasy world. listen to this. >> now, six months ago, i took office amidst the worst recession in history. we were losing on average 700,000 jobs per month, and our financial system was on the verge of collapse. as a result of the actions we took in those first weeks, we have been able to pull our economy back from the brink. sean: all right, "back from the brink." what exactly has he saved us from? unemployment, ladies and

gentlemen, is at the highest level in decades, and as americans continue to make sacrifices, president obama spent his time on national television tonight taking a victory lap for a stimulus plan and has failed to produce results, for families all across this country, and now, he wants to spend more than $1 trillion for health care. unfortunately for the president, his plan is now in serious jeopardy. not only is he losing the support of the american people, he is also losing support from his own party. labeling republicans as a "obstructionists, -- as "obstructionists," he has no one to blame but his own party. michael steele joins us. >> i am still trying to figure out what we had a press conference, because like the judge sotomayor hearings, i did not learn anything new. i guess now i have been told by

our president that we have an insurance crisis, and there will be insurance reform. i thought this was about health care and costs as the bottom line. i did not understand what tonight was about, sean. it certainly did not improve the dialogue or give the american people about the direction we are going in, and it goes back to what i said at the national press club. the democrats have a plan to take this country in a direction. they do not want to tell us the full story about the cost or what the access to health care will be, what we will be in for during -- under this plan, and i think this was, quite honestly, a waste of time. sean: i am trying to be as respectful to the president of the united states that i can, but he was incoherent. for example, we do not find out what is in the plant, who pays for the plan, and he did, in fact, blame republicans -- we did not find out what is in the

plan. >> that is the thing, sean. look at what these guys are saying and doing, not what we are saying and doing. you have almost a two-one majority. the democrats control almost the entire power structure of the federal government. if you want health care, get the votes. do it. i mean, republicans cannot block the bill. the republicans cannot even filibuster in the senate. stop the bleeding and the finger-pointing and then talk about how you are trying to be bipartisan and we are not. republicans have been putting suggestions on the table dealing with tort reform, trying to give you access abilities and you can go out and get the best insurance plan for you and your family -- trying to give you the best accessibility. now, the blue dogs are in a little bit of a funky place yhre.

-- here. as you have been saying, when you peal this back, people do not like what they see -- when you peel this back. are you going to capitulate to nancy pelosi and the president? sean: from the very opening comments from the president, we are back to this lose jobs or state jobs mentality. there is a reality here. he said -- and lose jobs or save jobs mentality. he has accumulated more debt than any president who has served before him, but he says it has already created or saved a new jobs and generate billions in tax relief. all this has done is losing 3.5 million jobs since the beginning of the year. where are these saved jobs?

>> the rhetoric has come out of the administration to make them appear which is where they -- i do not understand how you do that calculation. the reality of it is, as you said, we have lost over 3 million jobs. unemployment is setting at almost -- sitting at almost 10%. there is the health-care economy of our country. there is no clear direction and, tonight, no clear explanation about what this means to my family, to moms and dads out there across the country. sean: it is interesting you say that, because the president brought that out. people are wondering "how does this benefit me?" why did it reminded of jfk saying, "ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country"? the antithesis. did that strike you as odd?

>> i agree. there is a sense of, you know, jfk was talking about people sacrificing for the country, for the greatness of all of us. here, the sacrifice is going to be made on behalf of the government and for the government, and that is a very different story to tell, and i think right now the light is really becoming a lot clearer on this thing, and our hope over the next couple of weeks is that we continue to open up this debate and do it in real terms about what it will cost us, the trillions of dollars, and not the $600 billion everyone likes to throw around, but the trillions of dollars this is going to cost me and my kids and their kids, as well. sean: he seemed to be back in campaign mode. he was with the teleprompter and only took 11 questions in one hour. he gave a long, meandering answers being one of the things that struck me, michael, and

you called this the great experiment in your speech the other day, but the president admitted that he had not read the bill. which is now becoming commonplace. how important is it for the president to actually read it before talking about it? >> well, sean, you should at least have a baseline idea of what you're asking the american people, and when asked by reporters if he would commit to having your wife and your children having the same health care system that you are asking the american people to commit to, and the answer is obfuscation and not a direct yes, it gives me pause, that there is more to this than meets the eye, and if there is not enough there for the president and the first family, that is certainly not good enough for my family. -- then it is certainly not good enough for my family. sean: so a whole bunch of people out there have security, and i already have security, and that

is part of being in the community. well, there was someone that said "to each according to their ability." 39 states will have over 50% of their income going to taxes, so my question is, is this socialism? is this socialized medicine when he is now proposing if you can get to the bottom of what he is proposing? >> if you can get to the bottom -- in absolute terms, yes. it is the government taking over the means of health care in this country, how it is provided, who gets it, how much of it they get, how much they pay for it, and what the ultimate consequences are. the other day, i did a show in which the reporter was talking about and complaining that i was concerned his 85-year-old grandmother who may actually need a hip replacement would get it, well, under this plan, she would not, and that is what a

lot of americans are beginning to understand, that there is going to be a government bureaucrat sitting there and saying, "you know what? you are too old." that is what has not been laid out very clearly for the american people, and i think what it does, more and more people are beginning to say, " no, i do not want the government to control the relationship between me and my doctor and our family and our health care." sean: all right, michael steele, thank you. >> thank you. sean: ed rendell is here, and we have reaction to the president's address. also, michelle obama is linked to a scheme from the south side of chicago. our own ainsley earhardt has more. and we have a detailed look inside the obama health care plan tomorrow night, a special edition of this program, at its regular time, and 9:00 p.m. eastern, edit it is -- and isit

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last yea officials say it is tough to be completely certain without a dna test on the body, but they say it is about 80% certain that the younger bin laden was killed in a missile strike sometime this year. stay tuned to the fox news channel, and we will have more details on this breaking story. >> we heard one republican strategist telling his party that even though they might be willing to compromise, it is better to go for the kill. another said that defeating health-care reform is about breaking me. i have been a little frustrated by some of the misinformation that has been coming out of the republicans. sean: now, that was president obama addressing the white house press corps, but it may be me, but it seems that he was blaming republicans. governor ed rendell joins us. always good to see you. >> nice to see you, sean. sean: help me out here.

let me see. they have a filibuster-proof senate, nancy pelosi has a strong control of the house, they want to pass health care, the problem seems to be with democratic governors, democratic senators, and blue dog democrats in the house, so he really does not have a right to blame republicans. they have the whole kit and caboodle, right? >> right, and in the end, sean, that is why we are going to get health-care reform, because they are going to stay and support this because keeping the present system is absolutely unacceptable, and i think everybody knows that. 47 million americans are without health care, and americans get declined health care because they have pre-existing conditions or dropped her because they did seriously ill or lose their health care because they move from one state to another or lose jobs. there is health care security. sean: but, governor, the

president's goal was to get this finished an accomplished in the next couple of weeks. here is the problem. the president himself, when asked about a specific provision in the bill, that once the legislation was passed would at prevented people from getting new insurance, he had not -- would have prevented people from getting new insurance, he had not read it. the president has not even read the bill. >> i think what the president is doing is letting the two houses in congress put some of the elements of the bill together, and i think this is eventually going to end up in conference committee, and i think that is where the administration is going to have its major inputs, and no question about that. sean: he wants it done in two weeks, and he has not yet even read the bill. >> two weeks, sean. when he says he wants it done in two weeks, the senate version and the house version are going to be different -- it will go to

conference committee, and they will hash this out in the fall. look. one of the things i thought the president said that was particularly appealing tonight is the reason we have got to move fast is that there are american citizens, and, sean, i know you are a decent guy -- someone out there who has cancer and cannot get health care coverage, and that has to be changed. she cannot be sentenced to a death sentence because she cannot get coverage. sean: the government-rationing body in it britain just deny women with advanced breast cancer treatment. you cannot be denied treatment in this country today based on your inability to pay. i want to ask you about this question. >> yes, you are. sean: not by law. >> it happens in the emergency room. you end up in the emergency room, an hmo'sd hmo's can turn u

down. i know that in pennsylvania. sean: i know that you cannot be denied coverage because of your inability to pay. >> if you have cancer, you cannot get coverage pre-empt sean: you cannot get coverage, but you will get treatment -- you cannot get coverage. chantarelle you cannot get coverage, but you will get treatment -- sean: you cannot get coverage, but you will get treatment. i do not want to argue with you, but the bottom line is i think there is improvement that can be made to the system. we have become cynical to what the government can accomplish, and i am sure he was referring to the government bankrupting medicare and social security. barack obama is tried to scare the living daylights out of the american people, which barack obama is tried to scare them. he said if we -- barack obama

and tried to scare the living daylights out of the american people -- barack obama tried. what we believe him when he is now hiding the numbers and he has been wrong about the american economy estimates? >> i heard you and michael steele say we have not saved jobs. look, pa. has received in the last fiscal year that has just ended, we received over $1 billion in federal aid, and this year, we will receive over $2 billion, and that has allowed us to not lay off at least 5000 to 10,000 teachers, scfiremen, policemen. sean: i appreciate that, but you and i both know that the historic measure, ronald reagan, he created over 20 million new jobs, and since january, we have

lost over 3.5 million jobs. this is some sort of mathematics doublespeak. >> but the question is, sean, what we have lost more without the stimulus? i know you are coming into pennsylvania -- would we have lost more about the stimulus? we can interview the workers. they had not a word in six months, and they are back on the job. we will interview contractors who are providing his concrete and steel, and i can tell you that they are hiring back, -- who are providing the concrete and steel. sean: , we are also robbing from our children and grandchildren to get this money -- sean: we are also robbing from our children and grandchildren. >> the problem with the stimulus is that we did not have enough infrastructure in the beginning. it does create jobs, infrastructure. we should have had more infrastructure. sean: this was not the job that they promise.

by the way, i am only coming to philadelphia if i get a cheese steak. tease -- -- tastycakes and cheesesteak. i am not losing hope. obama is up in 3.5 years, and i am hoping we get him out of office. coming up, if health reform fails, his entire presidency would be destroyed? we will check in with mark we have been. he is here to respond, straight ahead. -- with mark levin.

sean: and for more reaction to the president's primetime press conference, an author whose book has been no. 1 for 12 weeks. also hosts a nationally syndicated radio talk show, mark levin. welcome back to the program. >> a pleasure. how are you? sean: mark, let's get your impression of the speech tonight. >> you know, it was very painful, incoherent, a lack of reality. here is the thing. they keep talking about

expanding health care. you just the governor talk about that. and reducing costs. no, they are not going to expand coverage and reduce costs. they are going to reduce coverage and expand costs. how do we know that? because medicare and medicaid have done that. it it took him five minutes to give a non answer because it is a massive tax increase that will be swallowed up by the massive bureaucracy, just like the stimulus is, just like everything else that they do. sean: mark, you spent a lot of time on this on your radio show, and i spent a lot of time on my radio show in here on tv, but there seems to be a significant part of the population that despite all of the obama predictions on the economy which have been wrong, in spite of the -- nine times as the cost of medicare over our original projections, bankrupting social security -- people still look to the state for an answer.

why is that? >> well, i am thinking that is starting to change. last time i was on, i said i thought conservatism is on the ascendancy, and i think it is now. if obama does one thing. he talks, and even that is getting worse. he does not understand this issue. he does not comprehend the basics. he is not even interested in the basics. he is an ideologue. he is looking to transport things from the private sector, and he does not care how we get there. -- transfer things from the private sector. "well, if you have that, we will take care of it." medicare does not do that. medicate does not do that. canada does not do that -- medicated does not do that. europe does not do that. -- medicaid does not do that. sean: mark, he has got to

basically everything he has wanted. they have both houses of congress. more importantly, they are attempting to ram this down the throats of the american people without any specifics. they do not want any debate or any cost analysis. the cbo scores it up, and then they threatened to take it elsewhere. they just say they want to tax the rich but not who is going to pay for it. it seems like he is fairly arrogant, and that after getting everything he wants, and now he seems on the issue that people are balking. have you noticed this? >> yes, that is becoming quite clear. today's press conference could have been a press conference he gave previously. when he does say things, it is almost schizophrenic. as i said, they keep talking about cutting costs, and then they keep talking about expanding coverage. there is something called the law of physics, you know? sean: it becomes mathematically

impossible to do this. how do you answer this charge? you have a liberal commentators, and they get these thrills running up and down their legs every time the anointed one talks, he and then you have these commentators out there who do not understand conservatism. these. commentators are out there, and they are saying that conservatives -- these idiots commentators saying things. nothing could be further from the trip if they listen to me or you or rush limbaugh or read your book -- further from the truth. >> demint, the cato institute, the heritage foundation. we believe in true reform. what obama says about reform is really destruction. he wants to destroy the greatest health-care system. here is what i know. during his press conference, he did not say one word about the wonders of the american health-

care system, the millions and millions of people who work in it and do it, in many cases, selflessly. we have foreigners poring over our borders to get access to our health care system, and what the democrats are trying to sell his that the health care system stinks, when the american people know that it does not, and we have a better idea, which is more government, and they are going to give you more for less money, and that is snake oil, and the american people are too smart for that. sean: by the way, they had better be prepared, and whatever secrets they have, they had better be careful, because the chicago way is now coming their way. >> let's be clear. if they buckle, they will be defeated. sean: all right, mark, congratulations on the book. and you look great. >> i really do. thank you. sean: coming up, and north carolina moll is kicking

somebody to the curb. and you do not want to miss this, a patient dumping scandal involving michelle obama and a hospital she worked at.

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secretary of state, a "usa today" writer, bob beckel is here -- and tonight on our great american panel. and there is a woman of great common sense, ms. wallace, and he played defensive back for the new york giants in the nfl, jason sehorn is back with us. i will start with you. >> i lose the lottery, or what? sean: i thought the president was incoherent, and you cannot tell me specifically, bob, what he said. what are the specifics? who is going to pay? >> let me explain a few things to you, because, somehow, he must have been in the bathroom. he explained these things. are you going to interrupt me? if you lose your job, you can carry your insurance with you. you cannot be turned down for major pre-existing conditions. you can compete with the health

insurance companies. but what he did not do is give some specifics. i agree with that. you know what? because right now, there are deals being struck, and democrats, and he could not come out and say that. i promise you this. max baucus, whom i have known for years, which put together a bill that can work and will be paid for. we will put together a bill which will work. sean: barack obama quadrupled the deficit in one year -- less than one year. the end result here, the numbers that bob was talking about, maybe he will get a coalition of democrats because they have the votes, but he has lost the american people. can he get them back? >> i was much more struck by the moment than by anything he said, and i had to brew a pot of coffee to get through it. this is going to be the moment where the audacity of hoped collides head on with the reality of governing a center- right nation. he is a far-left president, and

the reason he is losing its democrats is because these ideas are not going to sell in the heartland of america -- a reason he is losing the democrats. sean: why is this, jason? >> they have no say. it is the democrats that have a say. we're going to add 47 new million people to the program and save money. i do not see how that works. >> first of all, let me say that when you're president spoke, i did not have coffee. -- when your presidents spoke. those people without health insurance are costing each of ahs a lot of money -- when your president spoke. those people without health insurance are costing each of ahs a lot of money -- each of us a lot of money. sean: if you look at the cbo scoring, in fact, it is going to

cause trillions of dollars. literally, millions of people will be without health insurance. there is a heritage foundation estimates he gets as 83 million americans are going to be forced into this government plan -- estimate that says 83 million americans are going to be forced into the government plan. >> they understand it is not just this government-run health care system he is trying to ram through. he rammed it through stimulus and the cap and trade. this is the realization of what rahm emanuel promised, which is that they would not let a crisis go to waste -- he rammed through stimulus. >> you do not want doctors, bureaucrats saying what you can or cannot do. right now, you have got ripoff insurance companies, where in order to get clearance, and you have to go 325-year-old gatekeepers to get approved --

you'll have to go through 25- year-old gatekeepers. sean: it is heading for bankruptcy. this same government that bankrupt social security at the same barack obama that promised us if we would pass the stimulus, unemployment would not go above 8% and we would avoid catastrophe. why should i believe them? >> the government has run medicare and medicaid, and it is not working. i do not want a congressman to be in control. sean: you wanted to say? >> i just wanted to say that i think the american people are waking up to the cumulative impact of barack obama's policies. it is not just about his personal charisma. he looked perfectly well. we have now had in for a president for long enough for the reality of what he proposes, which is really a massive

control -- we have now had him in for president. sean: where is the football? i need a football. you had my football. more with our great american panel after this.

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economy, and barack obama and the democrats want to rush this through. it is the most radical change of our economy ever be an he feels his popularity slipping. >> i think -- it is the most radical change of our economy ever. he feels his popularity slipping. >> as it goes down more, the chance of this getting passed by his own blue dogs and slim to none. sean: nicolle? >> ice the republicans would be wise to allow people to like him personally -- i think republicans would be wise to allow people to like him personally. sean: i do not think the government is capable of running the dmv or the post office. so the question is, why rush? why have this pushed down

everyone's throat? >> the debate started 59 years ago with harry truman. sean: no, no, no. >> excuse me. the cbo that you keep talking about -- the obama bill. there is no obama bill. those are going to come together, and, frankly, we are going to get a deal here, and the blue dog democrats are going to come in, and barack obama will be the greatest president in history. i know it drives you crazy. sean: you have lost your mind, and i say that affectionately. >> if they listen to you, prozac sales are going to go up. sean: ok, here is what i predict. the chicago way. rahmbo, nancy pelosi, they are

going to twist the arms of all of the blue dogs. these people are going to be pushed to the brink. is america about to learn and nationally what the chicago way is about? >> it is going to be republicans getting him -- >> tom delay as a consultant. sean: so in other words, this really is his waterloo. >> this is where we are going to see how driven by politics this white house really is. they are students of the bush years, and they are committing to all of the things they railed against. >> when you are seeing now is somebody who is a little bit in over his head -- what you are seeing now is that. there is a lot more to this than the bill. the people have not read the thousand pages that are in there. sean: it will result in rationing. it will undermine the quality of

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sean: now, earlier this week, we send our own ainsley earhardt to chicago to investigate issues of patient dumping that have rocked the chicago medical center. the administrator at the heart of the controversy is none other than first lady michelle obama. let's take a look. >> before you buy into barack obama's universal health-care plan, you may want to hear about the urban health initiative, and it has been stirring up quite a controversy in the windy city. the program began in 2006 as the

brainchild of first lady michelle obama when she was the v.p. at the chicago medical center. its mission? to provide quality care to the area's poor and streamline the emergency room by directing non- emergency cases to other clinics. despite numerous phone calls and emails, we were denied interviews with any of their employees, but we did talk to a former student at the university medical school who was familiar with the initiative. >> this program helps by helping to identify people who are using the emergency room in ways that are not appropriate because they have no other options, and it turns away -- it is the biggest win/win, because the patient benefits, and the health-care costs go down, but require some investment. >> to get that investment, michelle obama, along with close friend and future obama advisor valerie jarrett, hired

david axelrod, the obama spin doctor. he began to issue a pr campaign, and it works. the good press surrounding the program helped the hospital when a grant worth $23 million, and even today, it continues to be the beneficiary of government funding, receiving $190,000 from the omnibus spending bill, which is on top of the more than $50 million in tax breaks the hospital is given every year, -- $15 million in tax breaks. the program certainly provides the university positions here is a convenient way to focus on their wealthy patients and pushed the uninsured out the door. -- it provides the university physicians here a convenient way. staff was more interested in the insurance provider, she says, than they were interesting to resign. after learning she had medicaid, she was promptly redirected one

hour away -- that they were in treating her son -- than they were. there was a scathing press release, criticizing the urban health initiative, saying, quote, this is a dangerous precedent. a few months later, a 78-year- old medicare patient died in the waiting room after nurses failed to register him for almost four hours. unfortunately, these experiences are far from uncommon. many are poor or uninsured, and people we interviewed outside of local clinics said that it would be the last emergency room they would visit. >> i know several people that at that a personal experience. >> it took a long time for that. >> before i go to the university of chicago, i would think of

other hospitals that are probably further out of the area, because the university of chicago is like one of the closest hospitals to my home, but i would pass them and go to zimmer's. >> there is a backlash among south side residents -- pass them and go somewhere else. >> what we see different is a lot of communities are out in the cold. >> he is also skeptical that patients directed away from the hospital are receiving better placare at local clinics. >> these are staffed by the county, and to my understanding, that service is nothing comparable to what you get at the university of chicago. >> one man agrees with that assessment, and he has 25 years in the industry. >> it is about reserving beds in the university of chicago medical center for well-heeled,

well insured medical patients. >> in fact, he goes further, calling it a patient dumping scheme, and a practice outlawed by president reagan in 1986. >> if it does not violate the letter of the law, it certainly violates the spirit of a lot. it is patient dumping. >> a similar practice was unveiled in l.a., when there was a video that showed a hospital dumping patients out into the street. using that, the medical center may be brought up on federal charges, facing huge penalties. for now, the university continues to receive federal funding, but legislators are taking note. a democratic congressman registered a congressional inquiry into the patient dumping practice, writing a, quote, "i am concerned about recent media reports that allege that the medical center is turning away and refusing treatment to low- income, uninsured patients."

republican senator chuck grassley also called for action over one year ago. the two recently got together to share their concerns. >> in the case of a hospital, there was accusations of patient dumping. congressman rice came to me. we visited about this. we are thinking in terms of legislation on the health-care reform bill that is coming before congress. >> last month, the urban health initiative held a forum to address such concerns, but all that came out of it was their desire to repair the relationship with the community. the medical center continues to insist that no one gets turned away for care. maybe that is because the southside port just think they will be shown the door. >> the initiative was developed in the hometown of the obama is -- the southside pouor just thik that they will be shown the door. >> the initiative was developed in the hometown of the obamas.

>> we are going to pass health care reform, not 10 years from now, not five years from now. we are going to pass it this year. sean: joining us is our fox news correspondent, our own ainsley earhardt. a great report. so, basically, this is patient dumping. >> under the ronald reagan plan, a lot of folks we talked to is patient dumping, and under the reagan plan, that is illegal. sean: this is the issue. it is barack obama. it is valerie jarrett. is david axelrod. they went into the churches and community -- it is david axelrod. they did it so the hospital could make more money. >> when we went to chicago, we talked to folks to find out. they also they are not for this. in fact, a 12-year-old child

was mauled by episcopal -- by a pit bull. the mother was not happy with the health care. they drove one our way to get surgery. sean: there is an audacity here by the obamas. "we want everyone covered," blah, blah, blah, and her salary went up significantly at this very hospital when he became a senator. >> the people we talked to are unhappy. sean: a great report. ainsley earhardt, thank you. that is all the time we have left. thank you for being with ahs. tomorrow, our normal time, 9:00 p.m. eastern -- thank you for being with us. it is a "hannity"ec