brian: a mess even tony soprano would be embarrassed up. charged with everything from laundrying money to selling kidneys. alisyn: only in new jersey. brian: our slogan comes to us from isabel in long beach. "fox & friends" in the morning is like eating your favorite bowl of cereal. you always get to the bottom of it. [captioning made possible by fox news channel] captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org-- brian: emeril hooked up my family in orlando not on price but got them into the door. no one could ever get a seat in his place because he uses he or herbs and spices. alisyn: dropped the big kilmeade name and you were in. brian: i wasn't there so it actually worked out.

steve: table 15 right here by the kitchen. take a look at the cover of "the new york post." obama cop race storm. remember, wednesday night, the president of the united states, last question of his press conference was regarding his friend harvard professor henry gates. he had been arrested earlier by a cambridge police officer because they gotten into a tussle. real briefly we will explain the story. first of all, as it turns out a neighbor called and said hey, there are these two african-american guys trying to break into a house. alisyn: with backpacks on. brian: in front on the sidewalk when the cops said ok, where is it? go in there, and there you go. steve: we should also explain apparently this guy's house had been broken into before. she was keeping an eye on it. next thing you know the police showed up. he asked for the i.d. of this man right there. that man lives in the house. the problem was he was a lidge

belligerent and incensed he said when asked for idea, he said why because i'm a black man in america he? called crowley a racist police officer. he asked for more information. will you go outside with me? he said yeah, i will speak with your momma outside, mr. gates said. alisyn: on wednesday night, when the president was asked about this, he hadn't read the police reports. steve knows all of this information because the police reports have now been released. and there were two responding officers and both of their police reports are pretty much in tandem with each other. they are telling the same story. when the president respond, he thought that his friend, professor gates, had been arrested at his home, it sounded as though a white police officer had been harassing a very upstanding professor in cambridge, massachusetts and it was a race thing. he said that he thought that the police had acted, quote, stupidly by arrest ago guy in

his own house. but now that we know the details and they are very interesting, how it all transpired, it doesn't sound like that anymore. brian: first off just to tell the whole story from the beginning. here is barack obama on his statement about professor gates. >> you know, i have to say i'm surprised by the controversy surrounding my statement because i think it was a pretty straightforward commentary that you probably don't need to handcuff a guy, a middle aged man who uses a cane who is in his own home. brian: that's what he says was the fact. he was his friend before. the bottom line is, it has overwhelmed the health care debate and the please conference where he took 1 questions. everyone is focusing on the very last question. bottom line is, this guy crowley has not only got a sterling record, he was asked to speak to the police academy about racial tolerance and race relations

recently. steve: in fact, for the last five years he has taught a class on how to avoid racial profiling at the lowell massachusetts police academy. also, you know, this guy has pointed out that it was in 1993 this guy worked for a very long time trying to resuscitate reggie lewis, the black basketball phenom who eventually died but here is this guy who is accused of being a racist. the professor wants me to apologize. i'm not going to apologize. his chief of police says this guy right here did everything by the book. >> the national fraternal order of police very disappointed in the president of the united states. and bill cosby even weighed in on it yesterday in boston. >> the people who have not been there, people who don't know are beginning to have their own personal feelings which they

weren't there. >> would that include the president in that? >> it would include everybody. alisyn: bill cosby went none that interview to say everybody needs to take a deep breath. this doesn't need to be a whole racist episode, everybody can step back. when you read the police report, it's very interesting, because policeman sounds as though he was doing standard protocol because he didn't know who was in the house with professor gates. he said police please step out of the house, sir, are you alone? steve: the cop was alone. alisyn: the police officer is alone. he wanted to secure the house. you never know if somebody has a gun to somebody's back. go away police officer, go away police officer. that's when professor gates according to the police report says this is what happens to black men in america. he was yelling out his window why do you need to know ohio am. brian: claiming the cuffs were too tight. you can't put handcuffs on me because i'm disabled. i'm not going to be able to hold myself up.

when he went outside he kept yelling. finally they said you are under arrest for disorderly conduct. steve: we should point out when you read the report and can you get it online at foxnews.com, the guy was very, very loud. he was unruly. alisyn: professor gates. steve: professor gates was. in fact, in the police report, the officer says that he was irrational at times. and, you know, he was worried about him. so finally he had taken enough. and he said ok, you are under arrest. now, what it all comes down to though, the president of the united states said, you know, the cambridge police acted stupidly for arresting his friend. the president should have said i don't know everything about this, which he started to he said i'm troubled by it. which he doesn't know if he made any mistakes or cops made any mistakes but without knowing the facts. alisyn: the police officers said

yesterday they are disappointed that the president weighed in because it's a local matter. it's a local little crime matter and that the president weighed in to it at his big press conference with millions and millions of people watching. brian: 24. it's unusual that he could have said to that reporter frankly i haven't read the police report and i don't want to comment. brian: is he a friend of mine maybe i shouldn't. greta van susteren asked rush about that last night, about the fact that he is commenting on a local case in massachusetts. here is rush limbaugh. limb limb the president of the united states does not comment on local arrests and things like that. that question, if it wasn't -- it has to be a set up. that whole press conference about health care last night. last question. that's when he came alive. he admits he doesn't know what was going on in there. called the cops stupid. the cop that he called stupid gave mouth to mouth reus is station to gentlemen of the jury lewis of the boston celtics when he was dying. alisyn: well, the president says -- in fact robert gibbs came out and said he didn't call

the police officers stupid. he said they acted stupidly. it's interesting the president is not backing down from that comment. steve: what's the difference? alisyn: doing a personal attack on somebody you're stupid. steve: it was bun cop who arrested him. alisyn: two. officer figaro and then the sergeant who showed up. steve: interesting to watch them walk it back because it's a mess. brian: right now yesterday was -- on wednesday night it was all about health care. but, before that press conference started as barack obama efforted to explain to the american people why we need it and why we need the democratic plan. he knew that senator harry reid had already decided that this would be put off until later in august. it would not be done before recess as the president said he wanted to have done. that was his self-inflicted deadline. harry reid said we are not going to vote on this. he had to go on with the press conference disenginely knowing

they are not going to get it now. senator harry reid said we would rather have a product that is based on quality and thoughtfulness rather than trying to jam something through. alisyn: if harry reid has decided this somebody should tell nancy pelosi. she is still operating on the assumption they may be able to get it done in the next seven days. she has alerted members to clear their schedule for tomorrow that they will have to be work through a saturday and weekend in order to try to get it done. she hasn't said that it's not necessarily going to happen. we did hear from david axelrod on our show yesterday when he told us yeah i don't think that deadline is going to happen. steve: extraordinarily, she would be asking both of her members on both sides to cast potentially career ending votes. because without knowing what the senate is going to pass. it sounds like the senate finance committee is going to work this cut before the recess and when they come back in september maybe they would vote on it but for her to ask the

members ok let's vote on raising taxes before the senate finally figures out what they are going to do, that could be a very big problem. and, regarding the press conference, you know, we were talking about that whole gates thing was at the end of the press conference, the whole press conference was about the health care debate. there is an item on the front page of the "new york times" today that talks about how some people watched it and they go wow, when is he going to answer some of the questions that i have got? there are no details it is fact-free. people are frustrated. brian: it's not done. everything is not close to be being done. five committees to in the house they are talking about by passing the committees and going right to the floor. yesterday rahm emanuel must not have gotten the memo are are from harry reid -- we have poll numbers which we'll go over later about what america really cares about, what they think

should washington's priorities be. steve: where is health care in that? that? alisyn: in the meantime, let me tell you what your evidence lines are for you. tragic news out of maryland. a helicopter slammed into a highway in washington county leaving four people dead. when firefighters arrived on the scene just moments later the chopper was completely engulfed in flames. the helicopter did not hit any cars. investigators don't know yet what caused that crash. a follow up top a story we first told but yesterday morning, new amateur video was just released of the drive by shooting at texas southern university in houston. look at this chaotic scene. campus police had 22 officers assigned to security detail but they anticipated traffic problems. not gun violence. investigators now poring over these surveillance tapes to try to identify the shooters who hit eight people. north korea is firing insults at secretary of state hillary clinton calling her

unintelligent and describing her as a school girl. this in response to secretary clinton's comments she compared the regime to unruly children demanding attention. despite the war of words secretary clinton indicating at a security conference in thailand that she is holding out hope that north korea will indeed return to talks ending its nuclear weapons program. michael jackson's personal doctor is now being called a suspect in his death. search warrants filed in court show vearttle -- search warrants they were looking for evidence in a storage unit. he was with jackson when he died last month. meanwhile lawyers asked a judge to authorize a family allowance for jackson's mom and three children. the family is in need of cash urgently. the first anchor manual ter chron cited was remembered as a journalist, sailor, friend and father. the eulogy at his new york city funeral was given by his friend

and cbs colleague andy rooney. >> i just feel so terrible about walter's death that i can hardly say anything. he has been such a good friend over the years. please excuse me. cronkite died last week at 92 years old. he will be buried next to his wife in kansas city. his funeral yesterday was such a who's who of every famous face you know in journalism was there yesterday. brian: andy rooney. they met in world war ii. he will not stop supporting our troops even if it costs him his business. the moan is taking on his city and county to keep up a patriotic sign. his personal tribute to our soldiers. steve: courtroom showdown on tape. the defendant out of the seat. the bailiffs' taser out of his holster. what led up to this? you are watching "fox & friends." it's friday. u5+.

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alisyn: while lawmakers in washington maul over a new plan for the country. small businesses across the nation fear they may not be able to actually afford the changes. steve: marty horn is the co-owner of cabin restaurant? new jersey. he joins us live. good morning, marty. >> good morning. steve: you are one of these small businesses we have been talking about. it doesn't sound like they are going to be voting on health care initiative until after the august recess. what's the number one thing you worry about. >> the number wing thing i worry about is a cost to me as an owner. 170 employees and about a quarter of them take the health insurance beft. half of them are part time to. me i spend about $125,000 a year on health care for my employees.

if we are looking at that figure doubling or even going up 50%, it's a big impact on our business. alisyn: when you listened to the president's press conference did you feel better or worse? >> i felt about the same. there is really not a lot of details in the plan coming out i don't know as an employer the plan is inadequate. too many things we don't know about the plan. that's why it's losing support. people don't know what's in it. steve: does it bother you that we have got a guy in the white house now who has never operated a business before, no management or, yeah, no management experience in the past and have you got a bunch of lawmakers coming up with big rules for business like you. they have never been in business bhos of them. >> small business usually gets cast aside on issues like this. people don't realize the impact on small business. the restaurant industry in general. we employ more private sector jobs than any other industry in the country.

so, we're very labor intensive. we have a very small profit margin. oftentimes impact on small business isn't considered when the decision come down the pike. alisyn: if your insurance premium went from 125,000 a year as it currently is to $250,000 a year how would it effect your business. >> i would have to change business. primarily i would have to reduce the amount of employees. steve: you would have to lay people off. >> i would. in the restaurant business the only other choice you have to cover that cost is continue to crease menu prices. especially in this economy that's not an option. steve: we just saw some pictures of your place. what's your friday morning breakfast special? >> eggs benedict. alisyn: do you deliver? >> not to man hadn't though we deliver. steve: i live in new jersey. i will be there. marty horn from pal's restaurant. thank you. >> thank you for having me. alisyn: 44 mayor's, state lawmakers, even rabbis arrested

in new jersey. the charges include selling kidneys for hundreds of thousands of dollars. but, wait, there is more. steve: also patriotism is alive and well in the heart of one man. he put up this banner to support the troops. now he is being forced to take it down. he said would rather be arrested than take it down. he will talk to brian next. ññújj

alisyn: headlines for you. a third bomb was set to explode in deadly attacks in jakarta. the timer did not work. ritz carlton. a third hotel was also a luxury hotel. for the second time in a week, defense secretary robert gates won a fight in congress over

defense spending. he got the senate to vote down money for a backup engine for the new f-35 fighter bomber. earlier this week he got the senate to stop further funding on the f-22 program. brian? brian: support for the troops is so about big that he wants his whole town to know about it for him there was no better way than when a huge sign that said so. now this patriotic business owner is in a battle of his own against his own city. they want him to take it down. but, like our troops, he refuses to surrender. with us now the patriotic business owner bernard tucker. bernard, right now you have a sign up that your city says is too big. >> that's correct. brian: they told you take it down by july 16th, correct? >> yes, sir. >> and what have you done? >> i have appealed the zoning ordinance and waiting for a response from them. brian: and at this moment, you say i will be taken off in

handcuffs if you try to take down this sign because this is the pride that you have in your country and you want everyone to know about it. >> that's correct. my patriotism towards the country and the real meaning of the word of prism in -- patriotism in true sense is a love of country. our staff has worked hard to support systems and we are honored to support of the troops. our efforts go beyond v.a. systems where all of the subcontractors are that we do work for that those parts end up on those vehicles. our goal and objective is to support our trooches with the best equipment, with the best soldiers we have so we can -- they can protect our freedom. brian: your company paints the components on the y wraps which keep all our guys, they could roll over ids and still survive. this revolutionary vehicle. your sign is too big.

your mayor supports you. how far do you plan on going with this? >> well, did i rely upon the mayor with the letter permission. as far as we will go with it, i do understand that my action is more passive resistance but unless i have a court order, the sign of patriotism in my eyes is not coming down. steve. brian: you feel as though this town should allow to you keep it up even though it does violate the size restriction because we are in the middle of two wars, right? >> yes. brian: let us know how it goes down. this was supposed to go down a week ago and you are standing strong. thanks so much bernard tucker over at the industrial liquid coatings. >> thank you. brian: ben roethlisberger break his silence. >> her false and vicious allegations are an attack on my

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>> if there is a blue pill and a red pill, and the blue pill is half the price of the red pill and works just as well, why not pay half price for the thing that's going to make you well? >>, where i have heard that before? >> you take the blue pill, the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. you take the red pill, you stay in wonderland and i show you how deep the rabbit hole goes.

>> oh my god! steve: the medical matrix. alisyn: i wonder if that was in the president's head. it seemed like he was pulling that illustration out of thin air like when he was you take the red pill or the red pill. brian: it was a crazy illustration as almost as off the charts as the tonsil illustration. hey, i need some money, honey, let's take out his tonsils rather than treat his strep throat. alisyn: what movie is that from. brian: we are living that reality. steve: doctors are upset that he said doctors are taking out the tonsils for the money. brian: ears, notes, and throat. steve: when he said the blue pill i was thinking about something else. real quickly, we have heard during the health care debate all about the 50 million americans who are uninsured in

this country. we actually have a little pie graph to show you how many of them are out there actually. 50 million is a round number that the government uses. alisyn: because it's 45. something million. 45.5. they round it up to 50 million. which sounds like a very alarming number. but when you break it down. it is basically, let's say, 45 million people in the country who, at any given moment, don't have health insurance. it doesn't mean permanently or for the entire year but on that day don't have health insurance. now break it down further. steve: it could be as low as 18 million. it's an average. brian: right. because half choose not to have it or are capable of having it, they have an income 300 times the poverty level but decide not to take it out. others say their company offers it to them but if you maybe have to pay in, you don't want to pay in, you feel you are invincible.

you don't take it that, as you look beyond the numbers, you realize not everybody cannot have it. some are choosing not to take it. alisyn: the problem with that brian, each the people who choose north to do it. we spoke to a businessman who said some of his workers don't take it it's 30 bucks out of their paycheck every day. if you are young and invincible they choose not to take it the reason it's all of our problem if they get into a car accident that day they are not insured, they go to the emergency room and that's part of the problem is that our emergency rooms are glutted and doctors can't handle. brian: we have to grab you and now with this new program. i have to make you take insurance or you are in violation of the law. steve: right. so the national debate is, you listen to president obama, he has made it clear, this is his number one priority. he wants to get this through. the house and the senate probably won't do anything until after their month long vacation. but fox news opinion dynamics poll asked you, you know, where does health care stack up in the

sphere of things with you? for instance, here is the exact question. which one of the following is the most important for the federal government to be working on? and more than a third of you say fixing the economy. the fifth say create new jobs. and 12% say reduce the deficit and at the bottom 12%, which is a tie, fix health care. brian: so the president's priority is not america's priority right now. at 25 minutes before the hour, ali's priority as she fills in for gretchen carlson read the news. alisyn: president obama is way off base. that's a quote from what sergeant james crowley said about the president's comments on his arrest of harvard university professor henry gates. the president said sergeant crowley -- he said the cambridge police acted stupidly but admitted he did not know all the facts and president obama still isn't backing down from his comments. meanwhile, cambridge police commissioner says that crowley is a decorated officer who followed procedure and

independent panel will review that arrest. steve: a money laundering investigation in new jersey has produced a laundry list of suspects. three mayors and a deputy, five rabbis, two legislators. alisyn: is this a joke? steve: no it's not and not an episode of sopranos ever. you fire inspectors building company imemployee charged with money laundering and trafficking in human organs. the special agent in charge in newark said there were no overtones in the case. >> this case is not about politics. it is certainly not about religion it is about crime, corruption. it is about arrogance. it is about a shocking betrayal of the public trust. steve: meanwhile the fbi's top white collar agent said the corruption would be the worst in the nation.

brian: fiery scene at a california freeway after suv loses control. while other cars drove by, one man sprung into action and pulled a 3-year-old girl from the burning vehicle. both were treated for minor injuries. doing ok. the other people in the suv have h. managed to escape without any help. john mcdonald said it was, quote, the natural thing to do when asked about saving the little girl's life. alisyn: wild scene in a kentucky courtroom all caught on tape. an out-of-control defendant hops over a table hungs toward the prosecutor. that's when the bailiff tasered him. the defendant was in court for trying to retaliate against a police officer after being convicted of assaulting a homeless man. look at what happens when he is tasered. oh my gosh. hold on. brian: wow, that knocks you out. brian: i would say you are in a lot of trouble orange jumpsuit handcuffed and tasered. steelers quarterback ben roethlisberger strongly denying

allegations that he raped a woman. he calls the claims reckless false. >> i want to fight to protect my family and my reputation. i'm not going to discuss my private life or this civil case in the media. i will respond to outrageous allegations in the appropriate forum. brian: employee at harr rays claimed he raped her a year ago. she filed a civil lawsuit but has not filed a criminal complaint. it may be one of the best catches in baseball history considering the circumstances. got him -- by the way -- center fielder duane wise makes this grab in center to preserve mark's perfect game unbelievable. two out later. jason barley grounded out to end the game. the 18th perfect game in major league history and then the president called. >> yes! yes! yes!

yes! brian: first perfect game in the majors. buehle first pitcher perfect hitter. president obama called and said i'm a white sox fan you did very well. you can take my call? he said yes. that's a quick look what's happening in the world of sports. not all that's happening in the world of sports. of a al one of the best golfer on the pga so close to winning the u.s. open a couple of weeks ago. today he is here. brian: which is even better for him. joining us right now this morning pga golfer number two player of the world phil mickelson joins us with a suit that it's impossible not to be overwhelmed by. phil, great to see you. >> thank you. alisyn: nice to meet you, phil. brian: how do you feel how is everything going. >> it's been going great. of my wife and mom have been going through a battle but things have been going terrific. this is one of my wife and i's favorite week. amy and i love this week because of what we are doing with some of the teachers here in the

jersey area. unfortunately she is not here because things are. brian: we are going to talk about that program in a second but you haven't golfed in a while on the tour, correct? >> i haven't played in a little while. because things are getting better, i should be able to return soon. alisyn: what is it like to have to focus on golf and your regular livelihood while all of this is going on at home. >> fortunately i have been able to take time off so i could be there for all the day-to-day things that have been going on. i think it's been a very emotional experience that brought amy and i closer together. now that she is doing well, i should be able to start playing again. alisyn: i have to interrupt because i can't imagine you and your wife be any closer. i have seen the pictures of how she, you know, obviously is there right at the side while you are playing and she always runs out and you guys hug and your whole family embraces and you look so happy. and can i imagine how emotional this must be also to have the double whammy of it happening to your wife and your mother at the

exact scwam time. >> you know, amy is one of the most dynamic people that i have ever met. to be able to share my life with her has been incredible. this is a little speed bump. we have been fortunate because we have had so many great scientists doctors and researchers that has now brought breast cancer where it is today. our treatment today is so much better than where it was five years ago. where it was ten years ago. we have been fortunate on that. brian: on a lesser note we will have you back in the next block too. rick reilly one of the great writers wrote on espn.com two days ago tiger woods grow up with your behavior. you and tiger two best players in the world. he said this.

>> that's between rick and tiger because for me personally what tiger has meant to the game of golf has been exponential. what he has done for me personally has been exponential. as he has raised the purses and opportunities off the golf course i have been able to benefit from that i have been appreciative of that he and i have become pretty good friends over the years to be able to play on ryder cup and president cup team. i have nothing but positive to say about him. brian: not worried getting hit by a club if he has an errant drive. >> no. in fact, if he is struggling when we are playing together, it's ok. brian: a 9-year-old tom watson, unbelievable, the story of the century within a stroke of winning the british open at a 9. >> brian, you know what's so frustrating for that for everybody including tom is that he hit two perfect shots on 18. he needed to hit par. hef a great drive. perfect 8 iron and landed it where he wanted to.

rolls right by the hole. and catches a spell. brian: were you pulling for him? >> i like stuart sink because we play on teams. to have tom watson win, it would have been the most inspirational stories all in sports. everybody deep down was pulling for him. alisyn: stick around because i believe you are going to make us defy gravity. what's newton's law. is he going to tell us the answer and explain why he knows this after the break. brian: minimum wage is getting a boost. therefore steve and alisyn are getting a raise. small businesses worry if they can make the cut or not. we talk to one of those business owners next.

if we don't act, medical bills will wipe out their savings. if we don't act, she'll be denied coverage because of a pre-existing condition. and he won't get the chemotherapy he needs. if we don't act, health care costs will rise 70%. and he'll have to cut benefits for his employees. but we can act. the president and congress have a plan to lower your costs and stop denials for pre-existing conditions. it's time to act.

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steve: welcome back. astronauts on the space shuttle endeavor and the international space station getting their wakeup call about an hour ago. ♪ steve: during today's spacewalk they will install four new batteries in the space station. musical legend wolfgang am ammo zart has been composing music from the grave. museum in austria has identified two pieces of music being written by the classical composer. the foundation will reveal more about the pieces next month. now to a bunch of people in white lab coats. alisyn: and protective eye wear. brian: why would we be like this. alisyn: because famous golfer phil mickelson is here and more.

brian: phil mick kelson exxon mobil teacher academy. why did you bring nicole martin here. >> she is one of our instructorrers to give instruction new tools back to their kids and inspire them in the math and science. this is one of my favorite experiments. i will let nicole explain. >> ok. this particular experiment is called the egg drop. we use it on the very first day of our academy because it is so engaging. that is one of the things that we found in order to encourage students to listen and to think and to be curious is to have these engaging experiences. alisyn: it looks very dangerous. alisyn: luckily we are wearing our eye gear. do we need a helmets or anything? >> no. you are north going to need a helmet. but if someone is standing on the opposite side of you they might need to stand out of the way. bill: phil, if something happens to your ice i would feel

personally responsible. >> take a glass feel it three fourth full name of water a pan a tube and egg. the question is how do you get the egg into the glass, without breaking the egg. using only the force of a broom. brian: no idea but newton. >> newton's first law objects tend to do what they have been doing whether they're moving or sitting still unless they are acting on by a fomplets our force is our broom. alisyn: are you going to show us or one of us? >> alisyn, we are going to have you do it. we know you are wearing beautiful shoes. please come here though. we are going to store the energy by stepping on the broom. pull the handle back as far as you can. get as much energy as possible. alisyn: then what do i do? >> that's it. let go on the count of 3.

>> oh my god. brian: the law of motion. that's fantastic. >> as many times as i have seen this done. i didn't see that one coming. pretty good job. that's terrific. brian: how nervous were you? >> i wasn't nervous. alisyn know what is we are talking about. so cool about this experiment so many laws, newton's laws, action and reaction some laws that go into the success of this. i would like nicole to talk about the success of some of them because they engage the children. brian: real quick nicole. >> quickly throughout the week there is so many experiences race cards, balloon rockets, canister rockets, so many experiences that we use to engage. brian: find out more where do we go. >> send my teacher.com. nominate your teacher to come to the academy. alisyn: if i had seen this in fourth grade i would have become

a scientist. brian: thank you so much. pleasure meeting you. straight ahead. the minimum wage, might have gn going goode for the worker. what does it do for business? you will find out the true life story next. i'm taking my coat off. @@@@@@@@@

steve: federally mandated minimum wage is going to $7.25 from $6.55. it's increase of 11%. democrats says it's a win for workers. next guest says look out, people will lose their jobs. alisyn: senior fellow at the american enterprise institute. thanks for being here. >> it's great to be here, thanks. alisyn: you say this minimum wage hike will actually create more poor people, how? >> what's going to happen is we are going to jack up wages and

then watch people lose their jobs. this has been going on since 2006. the minimum wage was $5.15 when nancy pelosi took over the house now it's going over to $7.25 a day. it's a mistimed policy. if you make firms pay higher wages. steve: threw can see a live shot somewhere. kevin, are you still there? for some reason we lost the remote. alisyn: that was obviously a i do bowl kel plan from the white house. steve: and then he just finished his sound bite, very good. >> that's right. steve: kevin has no idea what happened to him. >> it was the most brilliant thing i ever said. steve: minimum wage going up today. this was actually three increases that the democratic congress has instituted over the last couple of years since nancy pelosi came in to her speakership.

how many jobs have people lost so far. have you made that estimation? >> yeah. i mean it's in the millions. because what happens is that firms have to lay some of their people off to pay other people higher wages. and the thing that's really terrible about it is that this is organized labor's favorite policy. what you do when you increase the minimum wage is you drive up the cost for non-unionized firms. the democrats always want to increase the minimum wage because what they want to do is help their union buddies like they did in the g.m. deal. there are better policies. if we want to help low income people then we can subsidize firms that hire low wage workers. if we do that the demand and wages group. democrats don't want to do that because they are really in the pocket of the unions. we should think of it this way, that broom in the previous example is the minimum wage and that pizza pan is the worker. and nancy pelosi is alisyn. alisyn: i'm going to diagram that later. today the minimum wage goes up 70 cents. how significant is that?

>> it's very significant. you know, it's more than 10%. who is getting a 10% salary increase precisely right now? nobody in this economy. and so what we are doing is we are putting enormous stress on firms especially small businesses. small businesses the people have hot dog stands, hamburger stands, diners and so on. they always have a lot of minimum wage workers. they have to lay some of them off. if they can't do that some of them are going to go out of business. a lot of manufacturing firms, especially in the south, that have lots of low wage, minimum wage workers. places that put crab meat in cans and so on. a lot of those are going to go out of business, too. steve: troubling news. kevin hasset from the american enterprise institute. when you are on don't go messing with live switch. >> i'm sorry it was the transporter. steve: live long and prosper. alisyn: forget all the debates you have heard about health care. get, this there is pork in the bill. why the senate says sidewalks

and streetlights will make us healthier. steve: you have got to hear that rush limbaugh isn't shy about telling us like it is. especially when it comes to president obama's stimulus plan. >> this was done to stimulate the democrat party. this was done to stimulate state governments. this was done to stimulate the power of washington, d.c. go climb a tree. or discover things you've only read about. get the gear to get it done at bass pro shops. like the body glove method life vest for only $19.94. and take 33% off all remaining towables.

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brian: wally hear much more candor from rush next hour. steve? steve: it's the hour dancing begins even before the i dos are said. alisyn: this is fantastic. steve: what is that about? you will find out straight ahead. steve: our slogan this hour comes from suzy in bethesda, maryland. "fox & friends," why don't you try it? it's part of a fair and balanced diet. [captioning made possible by fox news channel] captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org-- >> hi, this is phil mickelson and you are watching "fox & friends." brian: there you he goes. nicely done. alisyn: i have not recovered from the experiment that he just showed us. steve: was that very nicely done. alisyn: somehow i got an egg sitting on top of a pizza pan, raw egg and on top of a toilet paper roll into a glass of water by just using a broom. brian: here is a story. all about getting kids excited about science. it's tough.

attention grabber. once he gets in his academy the kids focus. in alisyn, you are going to be doing this 8 straight days. playing gretchen this week, playing yourself this weekend and you will fall face forward on sunday 10:01. alisyn: in the meantime we need to talk about all of the controversy that has been spawned by what the president said wednesday night. at the very end of his press conference on health care. he was asked a question by lynn suite of the "chicago sun times" about what happened in cambridge, massachusetts there was an arrest of a relevant known harvard professor named henry gates. the president weighed in to this. and he said that he felt that the cambridge police had asked stupidly because they arrested professor gates there in his own home after they knew he lived there but now we know it's a much bigger story. steve: it sure is and the fact that he said, -- obama said that the police acted stupidly, now the police are rallying around

the officer who did arrest him. and we should point out as well. we will tell you the complete story. but here is the president last night on nightline talking about what has suddenly become a big mess for him. >> my suspicion is that words were exchanged between the police officer and mr. gates and that everybody should have just settled down and cooler heads should have prevailed. that's my suspicion. brian: whole report chronicles. alisyn: words weren't exchanged. it was professor gates who was the one who ended up being belligerent and yelling offensive things if you read the police reports. police officers were just following protocol. brian: sergeant crowley kept saying i want your name. sergeant crowflly said every time i tried to give him my name he kept screaming. he t. was such an echo so he asked him according to sergeant crowley let's step outside. at which time he wanted to make

sure too he wasn't being held against his own will by somebody in the other room. when you pull somebody out they could say listen, i'm being held i believe it's your house. -- >> what happened a couple days ago this woman looks out at this house that was vandalized while the owner was on vacation. the owner was professor gates. she looks over and she sees two guys with backpacks and they are going like boom, boom, on the front door. finally they jam the door and they get. in she calls the cops scoops show up. this sergeant crowley shows up. he sees this guy inside the house. he doesn't know that that the house belongs to that divoivment he says i would like to see some idea from you. the man, professor gates was quite agitated and was incensed essentially. and became tumultuous according to the police report. and when asked about the i.d., he says why? because i'm a black man in america? and he refused to hand over the i.d. initial live. and then he called crowley a

racist police officer. he said, you know, i'm somebody you don't want to mess with. he also said get me the chief to somebody on the phone. he said what's the chief's name? and then the officer said because the acoustics felt like i can't be heard. i don't understand. let's go outside. and then gates said yeah, i will speak with your momma outside he said. and then sergeant crowley yesterday during a radio interview said there were references to my mother, something you wouldn't expect from anybody that should be grateful that you are there investigating a report of a crime in progress let alone a harvard university professor. alisyn: here is also what happened. the police officers were outside of the house professor gates was inside his home and a crowd started to gather. professor gates was yelling some of this stuff, this is what happens to black men in america. come out and talk to your momma. a crowd geampleted at that point the officer is saying that he didn't have much choice but to say it's time for me to come in

and take with you me. steve: because it was very loud. tumultuous as described. and the officer felt that he was being -- gates was being irrational. brian: how incredible that you call a prime time press conference. he still got 24 million people watching. everyone talks about the last question. robert gibbs again yesterday, the spokesperson for the white house said, he was not calling the officer stupid. he didn't mean to criticize the officer. he was not calling the officer stupid, ok? so he was getting a little upset. barack obama seems to be dismayed and befuddled why this has become such a big story. one of the people who used my twitter account said isn't it amazing that he took 10 days to comment on the iranian situation but it took him 10 seconds to comment about the professor from cambridge. steve: this particular sergeant recollect the police have rallied around him saying he is great. he taught a class on how to avoid racial profiling. he also personally tried to

revive an nba player a black man who had died in 1994, professor gates still angry. wants an apology from the officer. the officer said obama was way off base. who do you think owes whom an apology? friends at fox news.com. brian: going to be a delay of game. senator harry reid says we're not going to have a vote right now. it's just not ready health care package that's going to revolutionize how we get, receive, and pay into health care. he says, quote, it's better to have a product that is one based on quality and thoughtfulness, rather than trying to jam something through. and he knew that before the press conference on wednesday, did barack obama. alisyn: rush limbaugh was on greta van susteren last night. he talked about this health care. >> when it comes to his jobs plan, stimulus plan lied through

his teeth. we are bringing the deficit down. we are creating jobs, saving the economy. this is very difficult for me to say because it's drastic. but he is doing the exact opposite. president obama and democrats are destroying the u.s. economy. they are purposely doing it, i believe. i think the real reason he wants health care is because when he gets it, that is the single greatest power the government will have to regulate every aspect of our lives. and that's what obama is. that's what the democrats and liberal wing of the democrat party is today total control. these people want nothing as little liberty and freedom for the american people as possible. and health care insures it palestine brian rush limbaugh very secret agenda to destroy the country. not so secret according to him. you know something else about the bill as it's currently constituted? there is a bit of a slush fund

to the tune of $10 billion for goodies like sidewalks. streetlights, bike paths all under the guise of making people healthy, therefore, we'll pay less money in health care because people are exercising, getting out at all hours of the day and night. steve: it's crazy. so they have put this 10 billion-dollar provision in there that essentially will allow these lawmakers going forward to take money out of the health care account to build sidewalks. and. brian: sir couple events the whole process. steve: tom coal born says that's not right. anything that encourages people to walk or ride their bike promotes health. what do you think? brian: just 10 billion. alisyn: all right, in the meantime. steve: business as usual. alisyn: let me tell you what is happening this morning. late last night, a helicopter slammed into a highway in washington county maryland leaving four people dead. when firefighters arrived on the scene just moments later, the

chopper was completely engulfed in flames. the helicopter did not hit any cars. investigators don't know yet what caused this crash. disturbing new information being released about the former boy scout from new york who joined al qaeda. now spilling his guts to federal investigators. sources say bryant venice trained to become a suicide bomber. he knew how to use exexplosives. poison, kidnapping and forgery. in 2008 he was sent twice to fire rockets on a u.s. base in afghanistan but failed. it's getting ugly between the secretary of state hillary clinton and north korean officials. the north calling her, quote, unintelligent and describing her as a school girl. sticks and stones. this apparently in response to secretary clinton's comments she compared the regime to unruly children demanding attention. despite the war of words, secretary clinton says she is still hopeful that north korea

will return to the bargaining table to discuss ending its nuclear weapons program. and talk about shaking things up. instead of a traditional wedding march down the aisle, these folks decided it would be better to boogie down the aisle. everyone got into the groove. this is the wedding party. check them out. the grooms and the brides maids, the bride and groom all danced their way down the aisle to the altar. look at how great this. oh my gosh. if this ceremony is any indication of how the couple's married life is going to be, their future looks like a lot of fun. steve: fantastic. brian: what religion is that? alisyn: the couple that dances together sticks together. brian: how will obama's health care overhaul impact businesses. they have health coverage but will they still have jobs? steve: little girl trapped

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steve: a lot of small business owners say they're getting crushed by rising health care costs and under obama's plan even the smallest businesses will either have to pay part of the premium or pay a penalty. the impact of the pay or play option could mean the difference between surviving and going under for some small businesses. so we're talking to a couple of owners right now with different opinions on it. charles loster and spencer holden join us live right now. charles, you are for the president's plan, right? >> i am. i am. when i started my business 25 years ago, paying health care

for my people was like paying the phone bill. it was no big deal. now it is a big, big deal. the rising premiums are really crushing us. something has got to stop that rise in premiums. the president's plan will help that. steve: do you have confidence in the government? we have looked at the pacific institute came out with facts earlier this week and they said over the last 40 years when you look at the difference between medicaid and medicare, which is the government-operated health care fund versus private health care, the government health care actually went up a third higher than p private health care. so you have got confidenced that the government is going to know what they are doing? >> die. i don't know nobody that doesn't like medicare. everybody seems to like medicare. steve: they like it but is it effectively run. >> it seems to be more effectively run than insurance companies. >> medicare is broke. we know that the government hasn't proved that they can run anything efficiently there are so many things we can do right now in the private market that can make health care more

efficient. if we think that the federal government taking over health care is going to actually provide us a better solution than we have today, i mean, let's look at fraud right now instead of medicare. $60 billion a year in fraud. let's try to clean that up. steve: let me ask you this. if this goes through, we don't have a lot of details. you are going to have to make changes with your business? >> what i'm most concerned about is also my clients who are small businesses. i run a small insurance agency up in connecticut. and when we look at those small businesses, and the changes that they are going to need to make and the taxes that are going to be implemented on to small business and the mandates they will be giving to small business to have to supply health insurance, they can't afford it. especially in this economy. steve: how do you think we shoved pay for this? couple of plans out there. one would have people who make more than $280,000 a year pay more. the president likes the idea of reducing charitable deductions for our more successful

americans. how would you like to pay for it. >> i believe we should all play by the same rules. and i pay for my workers' health care. the guy down the hall doesn't. my premiums are reflected in the fact that his workers, when they go to the hospital, i am in fact paying for it. steve: why doesn't the guy down the hall pay for hirst employees. >> that's his problem and his relationship with his employees. i would much rather have all of news business pay our equal share and just have a level playing field. the idea that it's not is simply not american. steve: charles and spencer, we are going to continue the conversation regarding things that involve small business because today the minimum wage goes up across america. but will it cost americans jobs. and can small business owners like these guys afford to keep employers at the new rates. we will debate that straight ahead. and, a horse is a horse of course, of course. but what is a horse stuck in a feet of mud? we are going to show you how rescuers got him out of a sloppy

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steve: the federal government is imposing a new minimum wage hike that takes effect today, up about 70 cents per hour. it could mean more unemployment though, the experts say on top of the 3.4 million jobs already lost in the first half of the year. county job market handle it? we're back with small business owners charles lauster and spencer hole dresden. -- holdren. they are getting wage increase today 70 cents an hour for the people at that end of your food chain, as a small businessman, how is that going to impact you. >> i don't have employees make

minimum wage i'm an architect. i'm in the construction business. i'm dealing with people at that level frequently. the minimum wage has been around since the great depression. it's part of the safety net that like social security. when president bush signed this raise into -- i think it was 2007, this is part of catching up and keeping that part of the safety net together. the impact on people who receive that money will be great because they can now get some more money and put that back into the economy. that's a good thing. the fact that it is a fairly small number of people who actually working at minimum wage. the loss of jobs, i think, is being way overstated here. steve: although we just had somebody spencer from the american enterprise institute say the last time things went up a buck last year, millions of jobs were lost and there is a potential for millions more to be lost this time around. >> that's exactly right. i look at business owners that i know and the margins that they are working on and right now

it's -- margins are very slow. the economy is very poor. when we look back to january and 40% and. we have to cry uncle eventually. small businesses cannot afford all of these government mandates. it's just going to crush small businesses. steve: charles, you know, you are an architect working with construction firms and stuff like that. ultimately the construction firms that do have the minimum wage employees, they are going to have to pass the cost on to whoever is owning the build withing that they're building. >> compared to the cost of concrete and steel, this is nothing. i mean, let's be serious. steve: $28 per week. >> we are talking about the people, nonunion guys nonunion jobs who are basically the laborers who are moving things around, sweeping up. this is not a big part of the construction budget. not gird steel and concrete.

steve: spencer? final word. >> unfortunately it has to be passed on to the consumer. the consumer is the one that is going to suffer from this increase. steve: charles lauster and spencer holden. thanks for joining us live. >> thank you. steve: straight ahead, fascinating new details emerging about bernie madoff. did you know he wore two gold watches because he could? wait until you hear the reason why. and a 3-year-old trapped in a burning car just seconds from death and a complete stranger comes out of nowhere to rescue her. then, do you know how much salt is in the food you eat in restaurants? some meals contain more sodium than a person should eat in two whole days. details straight ahead. here is kevin shale's comfort suites hotel. here's the spacious room where he relaxed with the free paper... the desk where kevin took advantage

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>> if you didn't get a chance to see president obama's press conference last night, we put together a compilation, it's highlights, the presidential press conference recap. there you go. ♪ >> health care, best bang, donut hole getting hammered. sore throat. tonsils, tonsils. red pill, blue pill, red pill, blue pill.

and and and, just just just far out screw up stupidly. gobblably kiddy, queezy. sore throats. shame on you. >> see what i'm saying? brian: fantastic. steve: he left out one word stupidly. brian: he put it in. by the way is stupidly a word? steve: yes. i didn't hear it but i didn't hear tonsils either. brian: i hear in my dreams alisyn reading to me. alisyn: you do? that's scary. can i do it outloud right now. i have your headlines for you there is a racial storm brewing. president obama sticking by his comment that police, cambridge police acted, quote, stupidly when arresting a harvard professor. joining us now live from the white house with more on the fallout is fox news mike emanuel. mike, what's happening there at the white house this morning about this? >> well, alisyn, good morning. so far no new updates from here. and the president, when he was asked about it late yesterday

sounded kind of surprised by all the fuss over. this let's take a listen. >> you know, i have to say i am surprised by the controversy surrounding my statement because i think it was a pretty straightforward commentary that you probably don't need to handcuff a guy, a middle aged man who uses a cane who is in his own home. >> so i asked press secretary robert gibbs this morning if there was anything new on the subject, he really didn't have anything for us. so at this point the controversy continues to brew and we'll see how the white house plays it in the hours ahead, alisyn. alisyn: what's interesting is that the cambridge police came out and said quote they are deeply pained by the president's comments calling them stupid, basically. and this whole controversy obviously comes at a bad time for the white house. they need all the public support they can get. >> well, you are absolutely right. the president has been going out of his way to sell health care reform. a controversial issue at this point. and, you know, 11 days in a row he has been out doing events on

health care reform. this kind of interrupts the message, takes the white house off message. you risk him having events. instead of a reporter saying what about health care or the event that you are doing, asking him what about the cambridge ph.d. incident and do you regret saying that and those kind of questions. and so this takes the white house off of message, at least partially, and so that has to be a concern as they are working on health care reform. brian: mike, we know all about the iranian planted question when barack obama in a press conference in the afternoon said i was going to call on this blogger because they are interacting directly with the iranian people. is there a sense that this whole last question was a setup because it was so -- it was so out of realm since we were talking about health care for an hour? >> well, that's a good question, brian. i know i heard from a former bush administration official who questioned whether it was a planted question. i talked to some of my colleagues who were also in the room. i was in the room as well. they said hey, he is the first african-american president. it is relevant to ask him about

his take on a racially sensitive issue. so, there seems to be some mixed opinions about whether or not that was a planted question or not. a lot of reporters, at least, giving the white house the benefit of the doubt on that one it was just a relevant question when you consider is he the first african-american president. >> any signs, mike, that the president will soften or even retract his initial statement about the police acting stupidly. >> there is an associated press wire out this morning saying president obama refuses to redistract the statement. i asked robert gibbs about that he said he had nothing on it he had been asked nothing about the issue this morning. we will chase it down. at this point there are no signs of any softening. a few schedule of other events going on. we will see if he is asked about it a question shouted at him and whether or not he wants to clarify, restate or say i mean what i said. so, we will see what he has to say later today. alisyn: thanks so much. mike emanuel at the white house. steve: meanwhile, a direct boost to the nation's infrastructure

just clearing the house. lawmakers on capitol hill approved the measure providing more than $123 billion to fix up roads and bridges. and to start work on the president's high speed railroad initiative. the bill also sets aside money for low income housing and lays the groundwork for a national infrastructure bank. brian: that's a lot. check out refrigerators here. the salinas company releasing a recall the code number of the lettuce 531380. alisyn: jackpot. >> check your numbers at home. it showed up first in wisconsin after random testing thankfully. no illness yet to be reported. where do you check for numbers on lettuce? alisyn: i guess on the wrapping. brian: which is see through. alisyn: liar and cheat since childhood. madoff with the money is due out

next month. claims he delivered an oral book report in high school making it up on the spot. that's a talent. real lady's man who caught got caught by his wife and had to pay out hush hone to one of his employees. two watches. he didn't want to do the math to tell the time there in london. steve: i like the way you toot news and says i didn't know that that. alisyn: if it's news it's a surprise to us. brian: take this with a grain of salt literally. restaurant chain denny's is facing legal action in the amount of sodium in its food. consumer watchdog group is behind a class action lawsuit. let's listen. >> dennies is selling individual sandwiches that have two days worth of sodium. brian: the group is suing denny's for failing to list the content on the menus and not putting out a warning about the health dangers. i didn't know that either,

alisyn. steve: meanwhile, brian, fiery scene on a california freeway after an suv loses control. but while other cars pass by one guy springs into action pulling a 3-year-old girl out of that burning vehicle. both were treated for minor injuries and are doing ok. the other people in the suv had to manage to escape without any help. when asked about saving the gimples life. john mcdonald said it was, quote, the natural thing to do. that's two times this week we have had stories like this. alisyn: it is. great to see a copycat story that is not a crime that is actually a hero copycat story. brian: i want to talk to that guy. hopefully we will get him on soon. phil mickelson has a personal battle of his only his mom and wife have breast cancer. he talked about it earlier on "fox & friends." >> this is just a little speed bump. we have been fortunate because we have had so many great scientists. some great doctors, researchers over the past many years that

have now brought breast cancer to where it is today. so our treatment today is so much better than where it was five years ago. where it was 10 years ago. so we have been fortunate on that. brian: right now phil has no plans to play again while he takes care of mary and amy. steve: horse is rescued in dramatic style. the horse got stuck in 5 feet of mud after escaping from her owner's farm. oh boy. rescuers had to firm up the ground before bringing in heavy equipment. eventually they were able to raise the horse as you are about to see to safety. 7-year-old blaze is now doing well and is back in her owner's care after an important baath. steve: wow. meanwhile in late 19 a 8. the united states and the soviet union struck up a bargain to set up exhibitions in each other stations as part of a brofd new promote cultural exchanges of.

the meeting marked historic pause in cold ware -- on july 24th. then vice president richard nixon played host before the moscow exhibition was officially open to the public. >> well, we first led them through the studio in the world in the american national exhibition in moscow. and then they moved over to the model home. they stopped in front of the rail where the kitchen was. and they started to talk and it got kind of heated. steve: as nixon was showing off color tv's the soviet premier launched on an attack on a resolution that the u.s. congress had passed just days before that slammed soviets over their control over the captive peoples of eastern europe. >> they thought that nixon was ahead of the delegation but eisenhower was president. then the u.s. and the sof

university union spar the every which system was better. capital lism or communism? >> he said look you may have ceerm ceerm goods and things like that but we have 7 year under system and then we will pass you by. steve: well he seemed to marvel at the goods. his own country was struggling to satisfy bred lines. the evidence society yet true step kick call. evidence said it was a -- steve: then elm parked on a coast to coast tour of the united states and saw for himself the wealth that capitalism provided. the impact was so great that a deal was struck that could have bridged the long divide between the two super powers. president eisenhower was to go to the people and speak to the people uncensored. before that could happen disaster struck. >> no censorship and they had

agreed to that it was really going to be a very nice opening and then gary powell, the pilot was shut down and that put khrushchev in a deep. steve the debates will be remembered as at a times when the united states and spoke open and almost bridged that gap. the kitchen debates were 50 years ago today. brian: you can imagine that? two world super powers having ad-lib debate shoulder to shoulder like that? we can never imagine that today. steve: crazy thing was as they going through model home. nixon showing khrushchev. upset people don't have

televisions in home maybe that capitalism thing does work. brian: they exiled him. the guy in the back ground whose eyebrows would eventually meet would take over. steve: indeed. alisyn: for the launch of the mono brow. thank you for that history lesson. brian: i owe you a favor. alisyn: president's key points in health care plan. do they actually hold water? peter johnson jr. who specializes in health care litigation is going to join us next to separate fact from fingz. brian: if you are packing on the pounds. take a look at what you are drinking. you won't believe how many calories and fat are in and how much fat are in some of the stuff you drink. we will pinpoint the biggest offenders. tell you what's good and what's not. - hi. - crowd: hi!

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gretchen: all right. the president, as you know, pushing for health care reform. well, our next guest as his own analysis to some of the president's key points in his health care plan. you know him well. is he fox legal analyst peter johnson jr. is he here to break down what the president is claiming about health care and whether the claims hold water. this is your specialty, peter. >> yeah, i do health care litigation and had a lot of experience in medical malpractice in representing insurers and people against insurance companies. the more i read this bill and the more i read the congressional budget office comments and now the president's comments over the last two days, there are a lot more questions than answers. i said let's go to see what the president is saying. and what holds water and what it doesn't. so the first thing we're going to talk about is this notion of rationing. a lot of people are afraid that if this plan goes through, there will be rationing. this is what the president has said. >> do you think, do you accept the premise that other than some

tax increases on the wealthiest americans the american people are going to have to give anything up in order for this to happen. >> they are going to have to give up paying for things that don't make them healthier. alisyn: i'm not sure peter what that meant, actually. were you able to separate fact from fiction? >> i don't know what that means either. what the president have talked about and people have talked about is the notion of coordinating health care benefits. coordinating the type of care that you need. coordinating is you've euphemism for rationing. are we going to go to a world war ii system with gasoline where you have a, b, c, d stickers where you get one cat scan for you. one mri for you. you have had enough blood pressure medication for the year. you have had one mammogram. you really don't need another one for a year and a half. there is a lot of concern too coordination rationing. if you have to spend as little

money as he says it will cost and sofer some people, you have to ration. alisyn: the next statement that you analyze is when the president says health care won't cause a deficit. peter: yeah, let's look at that. >> i pledge i will not sign health insurance reform as badly as i think it's necessary, i won't sign it if that reform adds even one dime to our deficit over the next decade and i mean what i say. >> the president is an earnest man and i think he wants to do good for our country. there either has to be higher deficit or higher taxes. the congressional budget office has already annualized the proposal in a letter to charlie rangel of the house ways and means committee. they have said at the very least we are talking about a 250 billion-dollar deficit. as much as a billion-dollar deficit over 10 years under some of their calculations. so, what is the fact and what is the fiction?

can you not have a deficit without raising income taxes on the highest people under this plan already 52%? alisyn: ok, the last example that you looked at is where the president said look, medical professionals support, this correct? >> that's what he says. let's hear it. >> the american nurse's association, the american medical association, representing millions of nurses and doctors who know our healthcare system best, they have announced their support for reform. >> i think the truth is the american hospital association has already backed off a big portion of the plan on an independent monitor. the american medical association happens to represent only between 20 and 30% of doctors and a lot of business interest in this country. seven state medical societies are against that. and physicians, including at least one medical analyst on this channel have resigned their ama membership based on their endorsement. fact and spin are a little bit different and we are going to continue to analyze it as the

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liquid calories. we show you every single step of the way. steve: drink this, not that. drink the monster low carb energy, but not the rock star original, 280 calories, that's over ten time more calories. >> and 62 grams of sugar. steve: this one is the same as that. >> that's where your energy is coming from, not from the calf teen. brian: starbucks, what should we drink. >> the vivvanno. 280 calories, 15 grams of protein, 7 grams of fiber, it's a simple way to start your day.

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alisyn: it's friday, july 24. a race storm is brewing. president obama said police acted, quote, stupidly by arresting a harvard professor in his own home. now bill cosby calling those comments not so smart. >> people who don't know are

beginning to have their own personal feelings which they weren't there. >> would that include the president? >> it would include everybody. alisyn: geraldo rivera and newt gingrich weigh in. steve: baltimore police place three young boys in a holding cell. did the punishment fit the crime? was the treatment of the kids excessive? as always we have an explosive fair and balanced debate coming up this hour. brian. brian: the new york guy reads the jersey story. 44 people including mayors, assemblymen, and rabbis charged with laundering money to selling kidneys. our slogan this hour comes to us from south carolina. america take heed to this warning. don't miss "fox & friends" in the morning.

[captioning made possible by fox news channel] captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org-- >> you're watching my favorite show, "fox & friends." brian: who was that? do we know? alisyn: hi, everybody. brian: sarah hoots, miss hooters international. steve: oh, is that who that was? geraldo rivera is joining us. geraldo, come on over and sit on the call. ali's going to do some news. >> hi, honey. where's gretchen, on vacation? brian: she'll be back monday. steve: she's home. brian: you're really working eight days in a row. alisyn: finally i've impressed geraldo with something. steve: this man works two days a week, saturday and sunday. >> what is today, swiss cheese? i love my friday appearance.

alisyn: and i'm not yet too delirious. brian: would you finally focus, alisyn? alisyn: here's your news. with millions of people out of jobs, the one thing they would hope to rely on would be unemployment checks, but there's a problem. a budget shortfall in at least 16 states has stalled thousands of applications and forcing some states to use borrowed money to pay out unemployment checks. people are waiting months before getting their first check and at least a million applications are said to be stuck in the system. you are looking at what's left of that tragic helicopter crash which crashed into a highway leaving four people dead and when firefighters arrived on the scene in washington county, maryland, the chopper was engulfed in flames. investigators don't know yet what caused that crash. just back from a tour of asia, secretary of state hillary clinton is expected to meet with

president obama. the two will likely discuss the situation in north korea. things got a bit ugly after north korean officials described her as unintelligent and a school girl. this is after show compared the regime to unruly children. she says she's still hopeful that north korea will hold talks aimed at ending nuclear weapons. an out of control defendant knocks over a table, lunged toward a prosecutor, and that's when a bailiff tasers him. he was in court for trying to retaliation against a police officer after being convicted of assaulting a homeless man. one more time. what did the taser do? it does this. steve: ouch. alisyn: ben roethlisberger denying the claims that he raped a woman. he's calling the claims

outrageous and reckless. >> the false and vicious allegations are an attack on my family and me. i would never, ever force myself on a woman. i'm going to fight to protect my family and my reputation. alisyn: a harrah's employee claimed he raped her. she filed a civil lawsuit, but not a criminal complaint. remember how we loved our snuggies on this show? well, some snuggy byeuyers got snookered. it did say you're buying a membership on the check, the better business bureau reminds everyone that free offers may cost you. there's steve. brian: how dorky. you could actually pull off a

snuggy. >> i'd taper it. brian: he'd get a v on his back. it would be very snuggy. what are your thoughts about the very last question -- welcome to the show, by the way. the very last question of the press conference, 55 minutes, 11 questions. everyone's talking about the last one. >> they should. the remark were the cops. editorial speaking that this cop allegedly purportedly is an expert in race profiling and he doesn't know that yo mama isn't an insult about your mother. it's a joke, boys. there's a racial or social divide there that i think people have to appreciate. i believe that anyone who denies that people of color are treated

differently than white people in these kinds of instances is being naive and willfully ignorant of what the reality is in this country. steve: it does happen, but in this particular case -- >> it happens on a regular basis. steve: it does happen. >> a black man while driving cadillac, that's a reason for stopping him. there are many, many things that happen that offend people, they built up a resentment, even though it's latent and subtle, something like this can make it explode. steve: this lady who lives next door -- >> do you want to talk about the president. that's different than the incident. steve: we're going to talk about all of it. this lady next door sees these two black guys. one guy is banging his shoulder into the door, one man turns out to be professor gates who owns the car. >> grandpa gates with the cane is putting his hip up against the door. steve: so he's banging on the door, and apparently there had

been an attempted break-in of the house earlier, so the lady calls the cops, and she says i see these two guys, they could be breaking into the house. the cop arrives. the guy is now in the house. he doesn't know the guy owns the house, he asks for i.d. and then he starts yelling at him and says why do you need i.d. because i'm a black man in america, and he said the cop is a racist, and he said give me the chief, and when asked to go outside, he said yeah, i'll speak with your mama outside. >> up until the mama remark i have no problem with what the neighbor did, any reasonable neighbor would do that, and i don't care if it was two old black guys or two old white guys or two old yellow guys. you see something questionable. you say what's going on here, do i know you? so i don't fault the neighbor or

the police initial response. once you go in the door. who goes in the door? who are you looking at? you're look at your grand old uncle and your grandpa, and it's a little old man like this. now you know that whatever it was was a misunderstanding and to go one step beyond that i think was unnecessary. gates living in cambridge, big cheese in town, you come to geraldo, and you ask geraldo? hey, take another look. there is a natural response, and i think the cultural divide is what causes the unfortunate consequence. alisyn: it does say professor gates probably because of the historic slights that you're talking about won't come out. he's yelling from his window. i'm not coming out, who do you think i am?

he's not cooperating. >> the racial aspects of that lack of cooperation are being exaggerated. i think that any proud -- i think professor gates in this instance -- i think the entire situation is being exaggerated in the sense that any person who perceives themselves to be somebody in their own home, their castle, their home, now you're not only a famous person who has been misidentified as a possible criminal perpetrator in your own hometown, now you're in your foyer, you've just come back, it is a how dare you, and it's unfortunate that there are the racial connotations and then jump to the president's reaction that i think is the nexus of the controversy. brian: we did hear a little bit about the story, it wasn't a main story, but whether the president comments on it and gives his opinion it on and also noting i don't know all the

details of the case, why would he do something like that? do you think he regrets it? >> i think it is an unfortunate distraction, but it defines a reality in this country that there is a gigantic racial divide that the -- i keep going back to that simpson verdict and the way people respond differently. people of color have different experiences with law enforcement, period, and what the president was doing -- remember, the president knew him and knows him intimately, dear friend. steve: he said of the cambridge police they acted stupidly. >> i think the adverb was unfortunate. i think that if i were the president -- steve: you're not. >> were i -- good thing i'm not a jersey politician. see what's happening over there. steve: i would have bought a kidney from you already.

here's the president last night as he tries to explain what he meant regarding professor gates. i have to say i'm surprised by the controversy surrounding my statement because i think it was a pretty straight forward commentary that you probably don't need to handcuff a guy, a middle aged man who uses a cane, who's in his own home. >> if he just said that, that would have been great. it could have been the same point. while the word was a mistake, the controversy of professor gates' reaction, and the cops' reaction, very much like the reaction throughout the post civil war history of the united states, and we've got to come to grips with the fact, and that's the main headline, it's not the stupidly, the main headline is there is a different perception in terms of law enforcement, many mothers are more afraid of their youngsters going out and being hurt by cops than crooks. that's just a reality. steve: and the other reality the

cops have said this guy did everything by the book, they stand by him. >> sometimes by the book can be a pain in the ass. steve: gates wants an apology. >> better not hold his breath. brian: stay right there. >> i'll be here. steve: want to hear about canada. >> do you think those donuts are good. canada is an amazing -- brian: we're going to talk about it in a second. why is obama trying to slam health care reform through? do we need it now? and what can we learn about canada? our own geraldo rivera will tell us about it. alisyn: then other people being cuffed. cuff them or let them run free? how young is too young for your kids to be handcuffed and arrested if perhaps they took something from a neighbors' yard? i never thought i would have a heart attack,

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brian: where was geraldo? alisyn: he was previously in canada where you got a seat on the health care system there. >> very briefly, erica and i, my dear wife, and our 4-year-old, we decided to take a road trip. we hadn't taken a road trip in years, i haven't taken one in decades. we got in our car to drive from toronto, canada, from our home in edgewater, new jersey, to visit her friend, kimmi, who was having a birthday, and kimmi, and her husband, jeff, jeff is a canadian, kimmi is from cleveland, ohio, she actually grew up with erica, they opened a business in toronto called sweet flowers. sweet flowers is the best place

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here it's $7.25, there it's 9 something, going up to $10.25, and they save the money, they can pay that money because they don't pay for those employees' health care. they don't pay higher taxes. they get the universal health care. brian: we'll debate the quality of the care. >> that's a different issue. brian: always great seeing you. >> sorry i was randy. i was eating those sweet flowers. steve: we're going to talk to newt gingrich where the former speaker lays out his six-step health care plan. brian: he's the best lefty ever. nothing could have prepared phil mickelson for the news of both his wife and mom being diagnosed with cancer.

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>> if you have health insurance, the reform we're proposing will provide you with more stability and security. it will keep government out of health care decisions giving you the option to keep your insurance if you're happy with it. brian: president obama pushing hard for his health care plan which is now on hold, but now harry reid says there's not going to be a health care vote until after the august recess. alisyn: let's ask ourest in guest, newt gingrich joins us from washington, d.c., and he's the author of "real change" now available in paperback. good morning, newt. >> good morning. alisyn: what did you think of the plan as the president laid it out wednesday night? >> well, just ask yourself a simple question. do you really believe the

government has a thousand page health plan with over a trillion dollar price tag, and it's not going to affect you? i think what he said is simply not believable. and i think that's part of the challenge they have with their plans, they couldn't afford to let anyone read the $787 billion stimulus plan, they had to pass it unread, they wrote a 300-page amendment at 3:00 in the morning, and now you have a health bill which the more people read about it, the more worried they are because it will be a big government fundamental change that will affect the health insurance of millions and millions of americans. and i think the president just ought to be candid with us. he at least ought to be candid with what would be in his plan. at the center for health transformation by the way i think we have a much better plan that has no tax increases, kills

no jobs, but fundamentally reforms the health system and saves enough money that we could in fact cover every american without a tax increase. brian: we don't have the time to go through all of it, but i have to give people an idea of what you've been working on. let's go over three of the steps. stop paying the crooks. specifically what do you mean? >> jim frogue has a book out called "stop paying the crooks." for example, a dentist in new york state who is filing 982 procedures a day under new york state medicaid? clearly criminal behavior. five pizza parlors in south florida that had been accepted by the federal government as h.i.v. aids transfusion centers and they were getting money while they were serving pizza? this kind of bad management by the government leads to somewhere between 70 and $120 billion a year of fraud. alisyn: move from a paper-based

system to an electronic one. how would that improve my health? >> for example, you're going to have phil mickelson on. if you have a complicated cancer, you may have to go to a number of specialists. today you may have to carry all that paperwork with you. with an electronic health record, all of the specialists simultaneously could access your record, do a conference call, no matter where they were in the world, they could share the information, and you could have the best experts in the world reviewing your case to get you the best care in the world. brian: tax reform, what do you mean by tax reform when it comes to paying more or less? >> whether you're self-employed, a small business, unemployed, you should get exactly the same tax break as a big corporation so that everybody is buying health insurance with the same tax deductibility. that would make it much easier for the self-employed or somebody who loses their job to continue to pay for health insurance, and it would mean that there was no bias that said the easiest way to buy health insurance is through a company. we'd like everybody to have the

same opportunity to buy health insurance. alisyn: very quickly, i'll tell people what your other three are. create a health-based health system, reform our health justice system, invest in scientific research and break-throughs. >> go to healthtransformation.net which is the center for health transformation, all that's there, and the last one, by the way, that involves tremendous break-throughs in alzheimer's is really exciting and offers enormous hope for millions of people. brian: i was hoping you'd fake on bigger projects, newt, i'm very disappointed. sorry for calling you geraldo at the break. >> good to see you. alisyn: thank you. brian: straight ahead. alisyn: coming up health care for illegal aliens? how the reform plan could have you paying for people who are not here legally. michelle malkin breaks that one down. brian: this story had a lot of you sending us email yesterday. the three young kids cuffed and thrown in jail for stealing out

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clinton and north korea. getting nasty. secretary of state hillary clinton said that north koreans were acting like children. yesterday a spokesman for north korea said hillary was acting like a school girl. is it just me or is it obvious these two like each other? brian: it is ironic, bret baier, playing the role of chris wallace, that the secretary of state is supposed to talk to our enemies, but our enemies are still mad at us. >> whenever you hear north korea say something, they're always over the top. remember that they came out and called ambassador john bolton human scum once. it's kind of the back and forth that you great with north korea, but hillary clinton saying that they are acting like school children, and basically trying to get provocative action from the u.s. as they continue to fire missiles here.

north korea is a serious issue no matter what they say about school girls and pensioners going shopping. steve: where's chris wallace on vacation this week? >> i have no clue. they just told me sit in the chair. i have no clue where he is. brian: aren't you a journalist? aren't you supposed to find out? alisyn: i want to talk to you about what the president has said that has garnered so much attention in the press conference on wednesday night, and it was basically -- it was the last question of the press conference. in our business we call it the kicker. it was not supposed to be the most controversial thing he said, but he was asked about the arrest of professor gates in cambridge, and the professor said that he felt the cambridge police had acted stupidly. that's turned into something of a firestorm. what's washington saying? >> it's interesting, alisyn. i think a lot of people are surprised by the stupidly word, the use of that word by the president, however, you have to

know that the white house prepared the president for a gates' question, it's a news conference, they prepare for everything, so you wonder what the strategy was behind addressing it like this. there are some people who were saying that he meant to go that far and say what he said. we have robert gibbs on "fox news sunday," we're going to ask him about all of that and behind the scenes and see what he tells us, but obviously this has taken a lot of oxygen away from the health care reform question as every news show is now talking about the cambridge back and forth and what the police officers are saying, and, brian, am i supposed to be angry with you, like some sort of tension here sitting in with chris wallace? brian: it's something i'm used to, but it could have to be manufactured with you and i because we actually get along where as chris wallace and i vehemently dislike each other. >> we'll just play the role. brian: i've got to ask you, in the big picture, is there a

sense -- in washington that bill o'reilly was on the money when he said in his post game show what is he talking about? i still don't know what this plan's about and why it's not going to cost me anything? that was essentially the theme of the analysis after the press conference. >> yeah, i think you just heard newt gingrich getting to specifics, and a lot of people wondered why the president didn't get more specific in his news conference. he talked in generalities. i don't think he's moving the ball on capitol hill, although, breaking news this morning, the white house chief of staff rahm emanuel telling npr that the house will vote on a bill before the august recess, so there will be a vote from the house, the senate won't, so that is a tough vote for house conservative democrats who don't know how the senate is going to move this thing forward. brian: that means they're going to bypass the committees. >> yeah, the energy and commerce committee is the one where all the blue dog democrats are, so they would have to take that

bill out of that committee and bring it right to the floor. there would be three bills merged into one, and there would be a vote on the house floor before august 7th. steve: chris -- the problem -- you kind of alluded to this for the democrats who are going to vote on this, it could be a potential career-ending vote if they vote to increase taxes, and in the senate, in a month or two, doesn't have it, suddenly there they are on record voting for taxes and the republicans who take them on in the next election, look what that guy tried to do to you. >> that's great point, steve, and some of these representatives come from moderate conservative districts, and they will are already out on a limb voting for cap and trade, so they were arm twisted or convinced to vote for the cap and trade bill that has cost them a little bit politically back at home, and now they're on this health care reform bill,

there are real concerns about how it's going to be paid for and other questions obviously we've been talking about for days, so it will be interesting to see how this comes down. if all the conservative democrats, the blue dogs, vote against this bill, the thing can't pass, and house speaker pelosi continues to insist that she has the votes to move the thing out of the house. steve: bret baier, we thank you very much, of course one of the guests will be robert gibbs, the white house press secretary. alisyn: we'll be watching. we have a "fox news alert." u.s. forces in afghanistan are telling fox that two american soldiers have been killed in a bomb attack in southern afghanistan. thousands of troops are located there currently fighting the taliban ahead of elections in that country. no further details yet on this attack. we will keep you posted as more details come into our newsroom. brian: president obama said to unveil new education guidelines at 1:15 this afternoon eastern time.

states will compete for $4.3 billion in federal grant money. money will be given to states that implement reform, but some states such as california and new york may not have a chance. they crew be barred from getting the cash because they don't like -- they don't link teacher pay to student performance. steve: meanwhile everything was up for sale in new jersey, it seemed, from mayors to kidneys. a money laundering investigation over years has landed 44 suspects in handcuffs yesterday. they include three new jersey mayors and a deputy, five rabbis, two legislators, building and fire inspectors, planning officials, and utility company employees. they're facing a barrage of charges including bribery, extorsion, money laundering, counterfeiting goods, even trafficking in human organs. >> this case is not about politics, it is certainly not about religion, it is about

crime, corruption, it is about arrogance, it is about a shocking betrayal of the public trust. steve: it's crazy. the fbi's top white collar agent says new jersey's corruption could be the worst in the nation. alisyn: we do things in a big way in jersey. he's used to battling some of the toughest golf courses in the world, but now phil mickelson has a personal battle on his hands. both his wife, amy, and his mother, mary, have breast cancer. he talked about it earlier on our show. >> this is just a little speed bump. we've been fortunate because we have had so many great scientists, doctors, researchers over the past many years that have now brought breast cancer to where it is today, so our treatment today is so much better than where it was five years ago from where it was ten years ago, so we've been fortunate on that. alisyn: mickelson has said he wasn't going to play again for a while so he could look after amy and mary, but he told us that he might play in this pga

championship, their treatment is going well. brian: angelina jolie is in iraq. it's her third trip there in two years. she met with troops and families at a settlement in baghdad and talked about all of the progress she sees being made. >> when you really see the local people and the little kids talking about how much they appreciate the military and how much the military's working with the u.n. and different agencies and starting to really bring assistance to people and seeing a lot of real positive personal human stories. brian: jolie vowing to return for a fourth time. steve: this isn't the alice in wonderland that you remember from your childhood. this is tim burton's film version of the louis carroll classic. the trailer was shown at comicon in california. tim burton known for remaking charlie and the chocolate factory and sweeney todd.

brian: and batman, right? steve: sure, one of the first ones. johnny depp is back as the mad hatter and it doesn't hit theaters until march. just another reason to watch "fox & friends" in the morning. brian: straight ahead, they're here illegally, but they still get health care, and you're going to love who has to pay for it. michelle malkin breaks it down. she has the answer. alisyn: then you heard the story of three young boys handcuffed and tossed into a holding cell for stealing. the parents are upset, the police say they did the right thing. both sides present their case next. first here's dave with what's coming up on the weekend. dave: you probably know her best as the first female vice presidential candidate, but geraldine ferraro also a cancer survivor. she will join us live with her reaction to the president's

health care plan, and we'll talk to a doctor who's so upset with the american medical association for backing the president's bill. she just resigned from the organization after 30 years. and we'll meet a man who you might say is in good spirits because he just beat out thousands of other applicants to drink whine for a living. his new boss will be here as well. find out that and so much more tomorrow at 7:00 a.m. úb

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lay off workers and increase unemployment. it's a double scene for the best tennis player. roger federer welcoming two new between girls. brian: illegal immigrants could be getting healthier despite their status of being here illegally thanks to democratic lawmakers shooting down a proposal that would have enforced citizenship checks. steve: illegal aliens will be getting free health care. let's dial in michelle malkin who joins us from denver. we had a problem with your satellite yesterday, we apologize, michelle. >> no problem, guys. steve: nobody's really talking about there. how many illegal aliens would wind up with -- i'm sure a lot of them are getting free health care right now through their employers, but how many would wind up with free health care

under the president's plan? >> who knows. there are upwards of 12 million illegal aliens in the country. the democrat leaders are vehemently denying that obama care would cover illegal lawbreakers, border jumpers, visa overstayers, deportation fugitives, but i think their actions speak louder than words, and last week on a straight party line vote all the democrats shot down an amendment offered by republican dean haller of nevada that would have made sure that anybody who enrolled in the so called public option, the government health care plan, would have to submit to these eligibility and citizenship checks using database that are already in place to prevent the kind of entitlement fraud that we're worried about. brian: what i don't understand is if you are here illegally,

you live every day wondering if today's the day you're going to be chucked out. why would somebody take the risk and sign up? are democrats giving them the sense that you're going to be ok regardless? >> yeah, the point is they wouldn't get caught, and even if they did get caught that they wouldn't be kicked out, and remember that obama at the same time has parallel plans to grant amnesty. universal health care is being used as a vehicle, as a means to achieve other ideological and partisan ends, and one of those ends is granting amnesty, and we've seen the barn door open more than a crack when president obama signed the s chip expansion into law because under that law what they did was create even more loopholes and undermine document eligibility standards for immigrants and get

rid of time limits on legal immigrants who of course many of them got their green cards through amnesty and have kids here as well. steve: one of the problems, though, is 50 million new -- they keep saying americans into the health care pool although a big chunk of them would be illegals, and then you wind up with the same number of doctors, people are worried they're going to wind up being rationing, and that means if they do have to ration stuff out you wonder if some american who's been paying in the system is going to have to get in line behind the guy or gal who is in this country illegally. >> well, that's right, steve, and what this whole debate does bring into focus is the fact that there are countless illegal aliens who are benefitting from free health care right now. where is the rationing for that. you've got kidney and liver transplant patients at ucla who are soaking up an inordinate amount of resources. if the federal government wants

to start rationing. brian: thanks, have a great weekend. steve: three boys no older than 11 years old get handcuffed and thrown in a holding cell. would a slap on the wrist have been enough or did the handcuffs and the trip to the police station fit the crime? brian: let's check in with bill hemmer. bill: feeling rich. the dow's been flying this week. we're going to try and figure out why at the top of the hour. also is the house ready for a vote on health care? this could be a major headline. we'll watch the developments literally by the hour this morning. also developments in the case between the cop and the harvard professor and president obama. there were new statements made today. more on that today. and you'll see a critical space walk next hour. they tried it on wednesday. carbon dioxide levels lan dangerously high. . taking its rightful place

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alisyn: we told you about the uproar in baltimore after police handcuffed three kids for stealing a scooper, wagon, and buy parts from a neighbor. they were then placed in a holding cell. the kids and others joined us yesterday, saying they were upset over excessive police force. >> they did not even use the plastic's it dies. they used the metal handcuffs, and there remained handcuffed for two hours. alisyn: baltimore police are standing by the decision saying they followed protocol. did the finished print -- punishment fit the crime? we have two guests with us.

thank you for joining us. jennifer, let me start with you. they took a go kart. was handcuffing them and then drove them in jail too much? >> whether or not they had the authority to arrest them is not a question. there are better ways to deal with these kids in these non- mile length offenses. this experience could have been psychologically hurtful. >> i am sure they were training to become nascar drivers. these police are enablers by blaming the police. these degenerate's are soon going to star on "the widere." alisyn: so you are recommending something harsher? >> you bet.

before long, they will become of it -- costing us $55,000 a year. >> if this was in a different neighborhood, they would have done things completely differently. in poor communities, where there are poor relations between officers and the community, the kids are never given the benefit of the doubt. >> these kids are going to become white-collar criminals. we need to introduce them to the reality of being a criminal. alisyn: we have to leave it there. thank you. [inaudible] [inaudible]

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