tax people who are overweight. we are going to report and you are going to decide that's a dumb idea. brian: she may be older. in the wheelchair. that didn't stop the grandmother from protecting her purse. >> after i hit him three times he didn't enjoy it so he went running off like a little girl. brian: how grandma busted the burglar like a little gear. our slogan comes to us from sandy from the villages in florida. yes, the rooster crows my days begins with news and "fox & friends." [captioning made possible by fox news channel] captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org-- steve: welcome aboard, folks. it is already wednesday. thanks for joining us on the curvy couch. brian: the couch feels like ours now shep moved out. the minivan came. they moved him upstairs.

shepard: only remnant of shep is it's freezing cold. brian: won't wear a suit. gretchen: you could offer me the coat, pal. brian: the coat off my back. steve: here you go. gretchen: we continue to discuss health care reform today on the show. is there a stalemate in the house. thanks so much, dooce. steve: recently laundered. steve: you know how you can tell. the little fake handkerchief from the laundry. brian: it says thank you. steve: i didn't know that came along. you were saying. gretchen: could there be a stalemate in the house? at the same time moving forward in the senate it looks now like the senate may actually throw out a bunch of the stuff that the liberals like about the health care reform plan. it's an interesting situation

that's been happening through the night hours. brian: two senate items, with you number one the public option. matt bachus is talking with chuck grassley and saying what if we threw out the public option and what if we threw out the mandatory paying of premiums, health care insurance for businesses. so now businesses wouldn't be forced to give their employees insurance if they couldn't afford it or pay that 8% tax. but on the house side, a lot of drama. rahm emanuel can't get this done. steve: they would like to have something done before they go on vacation which, you know, the meter is running. they metaphor seven hours. the problem is those pesky blue dog democrats. they are the ones more fiscally conservative, more moderate. they say look, some of these plans on jacking up rates just are stupid. and we can't go along with them. one of the top blue dogs is congressman mike ross of arkansas. >> there is no agreement but we

continue to talk. we continue to make progress. we are working very hard to give the american people the kind of health care reform they need and want. that's why we are working late tonight. late last night. we'll be back at it again in the morning. brian: metaphor seven hours yesterday. steve: sure. as brian detailed, the senate is closer than the house is right now. it's not the whole senate but, instead, it is that little group of three democrats and three republicans on the senate finance committee. and we know a little more. you know the plan to have that tax on successful americans. that's not expected to work. brian: millionaire tax? gretchen: he you know what else has changed as i talk about what happened. you won't have to take the shirt off your back to pay for health care anymore. steve: good transition. gretchen: also that surcharge tax on some americans is also being thrown out in the senate

version. steve: the key is how are they going to pay for it? they don't know until they get a list of different taxes that they could possibly jack up as for that we had heard so much about as if an employer you don't offer insurance you will be taxed, it sounds like they are going to get rid of that according to the senate version and, instead, provide employers with incentives. if you provide insurance, you get a government incentive, who knows a tax break or something like that. not a tax against business. brian: a.e.p. was hosting barack obama president of the glats a summit. president realizes how the elderly is not going to be taken care of under reform of our healthcare system. he went out and had an open forum. how did it go? here is the president fielding a question about elderly care when you get over 6 a. >> i have been told there is a clause in there that everyone

that is medicare age will be visited and told how they wish to die. this bothers me greatly. i would like to you promise that this is not in this bill. >> you know, i guarantee you first of all we just don't have enough government workers to send to talk everybody to find out how they want to die. i think the idea there is to simply make sure that a living will process is easier for people. it doesn't require to you hire a lawyer or to take up a lot of time. but everything is going to be up to you. gretchen: that is a big question. will it be up to the american individual to choose their health care plan. one quarter of all medicare spending is made in the patient's final year of life. if you were looking for a way to cut costs. some people argue, who don't agree with this health care

reform bill. they argue that yeah, maybe they will decide to not give elderly care that many people believe they deserve to continue their life. brian: robert gibbs said we will provide a provision in medicare that would cover counseling with those over 6 a. especially those with illness where they can meet and have it covered every five years to talk about what they want to do. whether it's pain medication or whether it's the surgery they feel that will make their lives better. steve: or whether they should do anything. if you take this particular tract it could happen to you. maybe you don't want to do anything. look at other countries that have national lived health care situations frequently there is a board that sits there and goes ok, you are 85. $75,000 surgery just doesn't make sense. so rather than you winding up with this new life saving thing that could extend your life, you know, isn't it just time? gretchen: that's a scary proposition. steve: it's happening. gretchen: one of the provisions

in this 1,000 page bill. congressman conyers may not know about it because he figures why read a bill when it's over 1,000 pages. listen. >> legislation -- brian: you only need two or three words to understand from nancy pelosi. gretchen: i love these members they get up and say read the bill. what good is reading the bill if it's 1,000 pages and you don't have two days and two lawyers to find out what it means after you read the bill. steve: you want to hear him actually say it? gretchen: yeah. steve: here he is at the national press club yesterday. >> >> i love these members that get up and say read the bill. what good is reading the bill if it's a thousand pages and you don't have two days and two

lawyers to find out what it means after you read the bill. brian: get two lawyers and take two days to read the bill. steve: that's two whole days out of their lives to read a bill that's going to effect all of our lives. how dare you, brian. gretchen: my mind is crunching this morning not because it's early isn't that your job as a member of congress we elected you to read these damn bills. that's what we elected you to read. brian: give it a page. gretchen: make it simpler. steve: they have made it so complicated. when you have a thousand page anything, there are going to be so many little details and whatnot, you can't possibly know all the stuff. besides, if you are going to fix health care, just make it simple. make stimple. don't make it a thousand pages. like cap and trade that was a thousand pages. brian: maybe if this is a reformation maybe it needs to be a thousand pages and be digested

since it effects everyone. you remember english 8th grade tale of two cities you don't expect me to read this do you. odyssey some mystery thing that happens with the guy in the ocean. get the cliff notes. the summary. steve: that is effectively what the members of our congress get they get a clift note version of what's in these bills. talking points this is what it means. you have read it? no, it's a thousand pages but i know what's in it. brian: nine minutes after the hour. let's talk with obesity when they looked at the formula of what guess to keep people healthy. obesity is a issue. urban institute as well as the center of diseedz control if you can control obesity we are on the path to straightening up our society and making us healthier and cutting health care cost. to do that they will take the

same path they took years ago which when it was smoking. gretchen: tax them. let's look at some of the figures though because it is alarming, 18.3% of the population was considered obese. 8 years later in 2006 that number went up to 25% of the american population is considered obese. that's $40 billion a year on health care spending. one of the proposals is to tax sugared sodas and other sugared beverages to pay for that. brian: 40 states we are doing this. gretchen: i don't necessarily have a problem with that because i do believe we have to find a way to curtail the obesity problem we have in america because all the rest of us are going to pay for this, we are. steve: makes sense. you live longer if you are at fighting weight there are a lot of people who are, you know, obese, according to these studies. brian: we don't want a nation of

welter weights. steve: article written by the "l.a. times" health writer if they put a 10% tax on food that is not healthy, you could raise a lot of money to pay for health care for other people. but, you know what? when you think about it, who is going to say that that particular food is healthy and that food is not healthy. gretchen: i agree. maybe there should be incensives within health care reform to help people lose weight. maybe you get a cut on your premium if you drop a few pounds. brian: i never see a vegetable. there has got to be more vegetables. i don't think it's a bad idea to pull the soft drinks out of the schools. steve: when you start taxing food, particular food, you know is it going to be a government panel making decision what is is healthy, what isn't healthy? if you start taxing food there will be a black market for

hohos. you watch. you want some crisco right here, buddy. gretch, it all comes down to personal responsibility. let's stop taxing us to death. we don't need the food police. let's just be responsible. brian: twinkie sales men have to make a living too. gretchen: p.c. society personal responsibility that's not happening anymore. steve: want some grave? right over here $3. gretchen: let us know what you think email or twitter. the manhunt for an accused homegrown terrorist moving overseas this morning. federal prosecutors say one men of that north carolina group accuse of trying to wage a violent holy war still at large. the u.s. attorney isn't naming the person but the pack stan person. seven people still under arrest accused of plotting terror attacks abroad. family members call the charges unsubstantiated. enough domestic anti-terrorism programs, ironically, set to be

unveiled today. homeland attorney general janet napolitano will unveil plans mostly built on the bush administration and what they had already done. she insists the new programs are much broader. some are very simple like teaching police to treat the loss of keys from a sensitive facility more seriously. encouraging more cooperation between agencies. shuttle endeavour astronauts getting a gentle wakeup call this morning ♪ gretchen: heat shield inspection today. they will spend tomorrow packing up, getting ready to land on friday at the kennedy space center conditions permitting. those are your quick headlines this morning. brian: white house beer summit is set less than 24 hours away. diplomacy in a beer bottle or much bigger fix to a bigger problem. steve: if had you a couple had took a look at that ink block,

your answer could be the same as everybody else's. that's a rorschach test. we will explain the brouhaha. brian: it's all about wikipedia. steve: get it, brouhaha? brian: i don't get it. ♪

brian: president obama will be knocking down some beers with the cambridge police officer, you know, sergeant james crowley and old friend professor henry gates who doesn't like beer we understand but do it anyway. tomorrow at the white house at 6:00 p.m. we are not invited. beer summit diplomacy in a bottle or putting a band-aid on a bigger problem. political panel today outstanding. steven a. smith is playing the role of steven a. smith. nina easton knows a lot on 10 hours ago. bureau chief for fortune magazine. bernard whitman former pollster for president clinton. first off steven a, in this situation, when the president gets together with these two

main players, should they recount what happened and decide who was wrong and who was right? >> i think they should but i think the longer this goes on the worse professor gates looks. brian: why? >> it's a rarity for an african-american to be in the position he was. in you were the one that was privileged. you are the harvard professor. you are the iconic figure within the african-american community. you were the one in your home. the police officer comes there. he is responding to a call initially like i said. i didn't believe that he handled the situation at all -- that well at all. but at the same time the longer this drags on, you start wondering about spin control. you start wondering what was this a publicity stunt or something? i find it reprehensible the way things have been handled. brian: by him. >> yes. >> he didn't initiate this beer fest. it was the president who admitted he spoke before he had the facts and is trying to walk it back. so i don't see how you can blame gates. the other thing is that, you know, gates overreacted and was

abusive in that situation we now know. but he was also being -- he was arrested in his home and so i think the police officer overreacted as well. >> i did say both. brian: bernard? >> from my perspective this is precisely why the american people came together and elected barack obama. i think that given the environment we have had arranged health care. the opportunity to bring gates and crowley together in a dispassionate setting where people can actually talk to each other and get to know each other person to person. i don't mean to be -- we can actually use this to bring people together. brian: does america need this? >> not now. we needed it initially when it first went down. you can understand his anger if you are walking into your home. you know you actually not. brian: thank you police officer, you thought i was being broken

into, thanks for doing your job. >> exactly. the fact this escalated to this point. i don't know all the facts but still labeling the officer acted stupidly. you are provocative about. this now singing consume by yaw. i don't want to hear that now. i'm disgusted it happened to this point. brian: you are not happy it's a morning show. >> i adjust. brian: you did adjust. we have another block for you. is that ok? straight ahead. a formula that was supposed to help promote obama's it turned into a tea party. >> opportunity to -- oppose to the health care reform. brian: we talk to the veteran who got a standing ovation for his comments. first, the vice president no stranger to slips of the tongue. >> my memory is not as good as justice roberts, chief justice roberts. why does the white house think

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brian: vice president joe biden's unfortunate string of gaffes never seems to get old. >> the truth is we and everyone else misread the economy. >> i would tell members of my family and i have, i wouldn't go anywhere in confined places now. my memory is not as good as justice roberts, chief justice roberts. stand up, chuck, let them see you. oh, god love you. what am i talking about? brian: chuck was in a wheelchair. latest edition to his greatest hits condescending hits about russia after a meeting. why is the white house calling him an asset or do they have a choice in back with political panel first off nina with the

washington bureau chief of fortune magazine. do you think that senator joe biden is helping? >> one of the characteristics of that entire string of gaffes is that he says things truth telling, inappropriate. a little bit too out there on the truth front. that's what he was with russia. if dick cheney had said, this you would have been applauding him. what did he say? he said that russia is not a strategic equivalent of the united states. that, in fact, its economy is withering, its population is withering. the white house had to kind to walk that back because it wants to reset relations to russia and that's not surprising. joe biden is being joe biden. brian: is he lying? >> it's deposition between honestly and diplomacy. joe biden doesn't note difference. that's why he is vice president as opposed to the president of the united states of america with that being said, he was a senator for the better part of

three decades. the man has rips abroad, obviously they consider him to be an asset. take those things into into consideration. combine that with barack obama being known as smooth and eloquent and things of that nature. it's not something that should be made a big deal of. i applaud the vice president for being honest on the occasion that he has been. but at the same time it's not always the wisest thing to do considering his situation. brian: america's interest to have russia as our enemy if it is not it is screaming headlines in russia, beshed, biden's latest gaffe shrinking economy banking situation is that why barack obama went there a couple weeks ago? >> i say thank god for joe biden because he told the truth. however indelicately and in the. brian: does it help america. >> it absolutely does help america. do you need cop and bad cop in diplomacy. one thing lost in the conversation over russia is the importance of ukraine, its next

door neighbor. this is a key ally of the united states democracy in ukraine is threatened. we need to do everything we can to promote the democratic forces in this country. les we find 5 years down the road, 10 years down the road ukraine devolves into the fake democracy that's in russia. brian: does this help get russia's hands off the ukraine. >> this speaks to democratic forces and opposition forces in russia. you can't completely embrace that regime and expect any kind of reform. i mean, this isn't a regime that we respect and want to move forward with. they also haven't been tremendous partners with us on iran. >> we have to pay attention to the fact that we also want to, you know, sort of build a relationship or rebuild a relationship with russia to some degree. we don't want them arming iran. iran obviously is an issue right now because they can give represents to iran. we don't want that. so it's not about making friends with them.

it's about understanding that diplomacy may be the order of the day sometimes if you have somebody within your administration who you believe is speaking out of tupper and not giving the kind of message that you want articulated to the masses. that could be problematic. >> but i think having joe biden bash russia every now and again is actually going to help that cause not hurt. >> i don't know about that. brian: great panel. you guys are awesome. thanks for getting up with us. straight ahead. there could be a little -- could there be a little less peace be with you at church because there is a little bit of a problem. that's kind the swine flu. could our customs and our more rays be threatened by disease? also, take a look at this video. a fan makes an incredible catch with one hand. do we mention? he has a baby in the other? happy birthday marilyn quayle. the wife of the former v.p. is 61. rewrite your hair's past and give it a whole new life.

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gretchen: welcome back, everyone. half past the hour. hope you are having a great wednesday so far. all right, when you were a kid growing up did you ever do that

psychological study where you looked at these rorschach ink blocks and describe what you saw from looking at that image. brian: i don't know this they have been around and used by psychologists. i didn't know this, but there is a right and wrong way to answer those. if you are seeing the giant leopards fighting bats in the middle of the night. that might be a problem. steve: what psychologists have done ever since her man rorschach came up with these. brian: first name was her man? steve: her man rorschach. show a series. 10 different original plates. let's go ahead and take a look at them right now. on the big screen. now, when you see that, what do you see? brian: we're going to ask people. steve: we are showing the first three and ask on the fourth one according to jane cunningham in my ear. psychiatrist shows you that and what do you see?

gretchen: you could see several different things. i don't like the fact that there is only one right answer. is that true? steve: here is the reason we are talking about. this wikipedia has put up a guy by the name of dr. pileman has put up the common responses. people see a bat, butterfly or mouth. if you see a crotchy learned. that's problematic. gretchen: end up being einstein. brian: stick stick you in a funny jacket. steve: next one, what do you see? brian: u.s.a. steve: asking the people out there in tv land. brian: that's two humans? steve: i get that, the red part looks like. >> after you see the answer you get it look like a couple of seven dwarfs. brian: high fiving. gretchen: i think you andry losing this game. steve: now that one is. gretchen: now that's two butlers. brian: i would say two fairies.

steve: common and accepted answer is two humans. you are both right. so here is the one we are going to show you out in tv land and want you to email us when you look at this rorschach plate. what do you see also, do you think that this is really a bad thing that this doctor has put the common explanation for these particular plates on line on wikipedia. gretchen: dust up is they think people will go to the wikipedia and see the answers or not either go to get help or when they get help they will have the cheat sheet with them. it won't be an effective evaluation of them. brian: can you tell you a great her man story. steve: her man rorschach? no. steve: i believe that fourth ink blot reminded you of her man. >> my mom's father was named her man. odd name for italian family to give italian kid. it turns out the priest when they did the christening said

what do you want to name this kid and they were coming from italy. he had a thick italian accent edmond. you got it her man. wrote down her man. he thought they wrote down edmond. just like that the one her man in the history sticks out just like that. by the way this is not italian music. gretchen: i knew it was going to be that i understand could of an ending to brian's story. brian: if you have an immigration story. >> we worship you, o'brien. brian: let's talk turkey and let's talk iraq. with a stop in turkey, robert gates heading back to washington after two days in iraq. this morning he met with the president of the oil rich kurdish region in the north. earlier he said growing pains accounted for the u.s. and iraqi forces. it's natural as iraqi forces took over more and more of the country's security responsibility. steve? steve: her man.

the full senate is expected to approve judge sonia sotomayor as early as next week. republican senator from south carolina lindsey graham voted with the democrats when the judiciary committee sent her nomination to the floor. even though alabama senator jeff sessions voted no. he said it will still be a good thing to have her on my court. brian: al franken in the center. gretchen: latest developments on h1n1. of course, that is the wine flu. a new report just out says pregnant women face a greater wisconsin of dying from it so they should be first in line for those antiviral drugs. also being affected religious tradition like drink from the chalice at church. joining us from london with more on this our own katie logan. i never thought about that. i guess churches will be changing procedures this fall; is that true? >> that's right, gretchen. the u.k. has the highest rates of swine flu infection around the world. around 100,000 people here are thought to have contracted the

virus. now the whole country is on alert. now even religious rights have been affected by swine flu and priests have changed the practice of sharing wine and avoided placing waivers on worshippers tongues. they urged people not to react. >> we need to stand against any panic in society and not join in with it because there is a degree of panic tharnd is quite unnecessary. >> community concern. >> in israel, some ultra orthodox jews drink from the same glass of wine. while health officials say people should take simple precautions they do say they think the virus isn't quite as severe as they first feared, gretchen. gretchen: thank you for that update. we have to pay attention to that when the vaccines do become

available. steve: thee did that in our church in our archdiocese during the spring. meanwhile, they said it was like getting frequent flier miles or just like a courtesy. senators chris dodd of connecticut and kent conrad of north dakota, chairman of the senate finance and banking committee to the senate ethics committee they knew they were getting low rate mortgages from countrywide financial but thought nothing of it. the deals were approved. maybe even encouraged by then chairman of country wide angela that zillow. he faces charges of civil fraud and insider trading and it's been suggested that the two senators got sweetheart deals. the photo taken by angry passenger. jewels katie who is a lawyer claims the child was actually driving the subway train. the m.t.a. says it's looking

whether the 8-year-old drove the train or if he was just in the cab. the boy is the conductor's son. 10 days ago another suspended. summer you want to bring your kid to work. there might be another side to this. gretchen: call it crime fighting on wheels. a grandma uses her wheelchair to foil a robbery. rose was outside her assisted care center in washington state. a stranger comes up behind her and tries to rob her purse. the strap was wrapped around the arm of her wheelchair. she decided to fight back using her wheelchair like a battering ram. so i started ramming him with the chair. told a few choice words. and after i hit him about three times he didn't enjoy it so he went running off like a little girl. steve: i bet he did. gretchen: police are still looking for that suspect. residents at the care center say she is their hero. brian, we are getting a lot of answers in about your rorschach

problems. brian: i have problems? gretchen: that fourth thing that we showed. ironically a lot of people have the same answer that it looks like somebody riding a harley. huh? steve: i saw one that it looked like harry from harry and the hendersons. steve: we are going to continue to collect them from our viewers. brian: 7:00 issuish. brian: three time mvp and now retiring for the fourth time. brett favre says he won't be joining the minnesota vikings. sorry, gretch; when training camp opens later this he can would. favre says he did not think that his health could be trusted for an entire 16 game season. citing nagging pain in his knees and ankles. plaxico burris set to testify before a grand jury that's investigating weapons charges against him. the giants wide receiver, the former giants wide receiver who caught the game winning

touchdown in super bowl xlii shot himself in the thigh and he had a gun on him he shouldn't have had in a manhattan nightclub. faces three years in prison. he feels he has got to testify to show everybody he is not as bad as everybody says in writing. michael young rips one high out of play. check out the great catch by that fan with the son in his hands. unbelievable concentration. the kid a little shaken up. the heck with that video and a brand new ball. rangers beat the tigers final score of 7-3. later you will see a bizarre play with the baseball. gretchen: what an amazing catch. steve: kid is crying. brian: don't bring your kids to a game it's dangerous. steve: it's his lucky charm there. brian: everyone has different takes. gretchen: coming up on the show, a deadly new health scare that released information that will keep you from ever want to fake and bake. do you know what that is?

steve: google feeling like big brother. it already key strokes archives and tracks all of your appointments. why google's latest technology could put your personal privacy at an even greater risk. hey, there is my house. brian: it could be your house.

>> brand new review of 20 studies. the ultra violent light that the pedestrians put off puts people who use them in the highest risk category right alongside gressments the chances of getting cancer jump 7 a% when people use the beds before they

are 30 years old. like that young woman right there. meanwhile, some good news. new research shows eating certain blue foods like blue elm nipples could help your paralysis testing done on rats like this one with spinal injuries. scientists found when they gave rodents the brilliant blue g compound also known as bbg they were again able to walk. the only major side effect is the rats turned blue. bribery brian that is the strangest story you ever read outlou. steve: you would think blueberries but not m&m's. gretchen: it appears microsoft has finally talked yahoo into a partisanship. the companies are expected to split advertising chores and revenues. brian: big brother or google, it's hard to tell the incident monitors your key strokes, your archives, your mail. of course, email and keeps a

record of your appointments. that's not all. some security analysts worry that google's new operating system will take it to the next level putting your privacy at an even greater risk. steve: mark is the executive director of the electronic privacy information center joins us from d.c. mark, good morning to you. >> good morning. steve: in the back half of next year they will come out with this thing called crom operating system which is different than the chrome browser available to operate off the google site. if you download this chrome operating system next year, how much stuff will google know about us? it could know about everything. last link between the internet. most of the essential supervisors on the internet. like search, like email. like online advertising. the piece they don't have is the

desktop on your computer. and i think the way they are going to try to could that is with this new operating system those of us who are novices, what is if? >> operating system is the type of software that let's the different pieces of your computer talk to each other and talk to your applications. if you have a word processing program, for example, on your desktop and you want to print out a document, you need the operating system to let the word processing program talk to your printer and say ok, now please print out this document. traditional there has been the microsoft windows, for example, is a popular operating system there is lennox and mac. this is something google has been kept out of. things this originated with the internet not the desktop computer. brian: merger between yahoo and

microsoft. how does that play into it. >> issues raise privacy issues. that really is our focus. we think competition and innovation is wonderful for the internet but when a few large companies know so much about what people do, what their interests are, that can have harmful effects on competition. it can make it more difficult. other companies to get involved. steve: users beware. mark, thank you very much for joining us from d.c. thanks. >> nice speaking with you. brian: testing to see if your kids are pregnant in middle school? where is that happening? why moms are outraged. you will find out and some are totally on board with this. not everybody is outraged. we will report you decide about that. gretchen: first a forum intended to promote the president's health care overhaul turns into a spontaneous tea party protest? we talked to the veteran who spoke up from the front row and got a standing ovation for it.

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brian: health care reform turned into impromptu tea party. 1,000 people showed up for the event. the senator has kill couldn't make it one man veteran marine received standing ovation when he claimed that government mandated health care unconstitutional. gretchen: that man is marine sergeant paul. good morning to you, paul. >> good morning. you decided to go to this forum. you get a front row seat. and what happens? >> well, my parents were there they had a couple seats reserved from me. when they opened it up for

questions, i decided i would get up and take them to task on the constitution. gretchen: because you believe health care reform the way it's currently being proposeside unconstitutional. why? >> well, in article 1 section 8 of the united states constitution you know the federal government -- congress only has about 17 enumerated powers never in there do they have the ability to take control over anybody's health care. that's why i got up and wanted to let them know that if she hasn't read the bill, i don't know if she has but she for sure needs to read the constitution. brian: for so many of these events we watch, countless almost scripted. this was unseemly real and wept the other direction. you can descrint feeling in the room before and after you asked the question and the look on their face? >> the feeling in the room before and after i made this comments that i did was pretty much the same. i mean, the response that i got was pretty typical from the response that a lot of people were getting. and the look on the face of the

staffer from clair mccaskill's office. she was very professional. she stood there and took notes of everything i said. brian: what was her response though. did she say don't worry about it, i think you guys are all wrong. i think you are misinterpreting this bill. >> no. she said she would take that information back to the senator and voice my concerns about her. i certainly hope that she does because, you know, this is a pretty big step for our officials to be taking when it's not in the con constitution. gretchen: it is a big step. the bill is more than 1,000 pages long. we have a congressman on record today from speaking at the national press club yesterday congressman conyers who says why shouldn't we read these bills? what do you think of elected officials and whether or not they should read the bills. >> i think they should be required to read every bill. more importantly they should be required to read the u.s. constitution. maybe on national television. maybe on your show before they even swear in to take the oath of office. brian: do you believe that nationalized health care or health care is a right?

nonchts absolutely not. health care falls into the goods and service was. our founding document say our rights are given to us by god. god grants our -- god is the one that grants our rights much the constitution guarantees them to us. so if the federal government starts granting us rights, they are putting themselves in a god-like position. brian: and that's going to be coming your way. paul, i'm sure people have approached you. do you want to get into politics? >> you know, yeah, people have been coming up to me and talking to me asking my what my plans for the future and whether or not i plan on running. the more this kind of thing happens the more people say they are not going to read the bills or why should they read the bills the more i feel like i should do something. i'm not saying i'm a good person but people need to start reading the bills. if they are not going to read at this will volunteer to do it. brian: you have 1,000 votes. those people in the room seem pretty impressed. paul curtman, thanks for your service. thanks for getting up.

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gretchen: a very good wednesday morning to you. july 29th, 2009. thanks for sharing your time with us today. the health care bill, we are still talking about it it's still out there. guess what, look at that stack of papers. more than 1,000 pages long and you are going to be paying for what's in it has anyone read it? >> i love these members that get up and say read the bill what good is reading the bill if it's a thousand pages? gretchen: he is not the only one looking at the cliff notes.

brian: bernie madoff breaks the silence and get this. he says he can't believe he wasn't caught sooner. steve: neither can we. meanwhile the most incredible video you will see all day. a kayaker, watch him there lower screen takes 186-foot dive down a massive water fall. and you know what? her is revived he is here live with us how he pulled it off and what the heck he was thinking. why we will ask hip. meanwhile, our slogan this hour comes from melissa in georgia. hurry, click the remote, and grab a cup of joe, it's time for the "fox & friends" morning show. [captioning made possible by fox news channel] captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org-- steve: paula is going to with us in the next two hours. she has mayor nadz. gretchen: she is about to

release next another recipe book. stay tuned for that let's continue to discuss what a lot of people are discussing over the water cooler across america which is health care reform. what were members of congress up to yesterday? democrats in the house were trying to convince the blue dog democrats, the more conservative democrats to come along with us. let's do this bill. let's do this 1,000 page bill. you know what? those talks broke off after seven hours with no agreement. >> there is no agreement that we continue to talk, we continue to make progress. we are working very hard to give the american people the kind of health care reform they need and want. that's why we are working late tonight, late last night. we will be back at it again in the morning. brian: what they want is they want a way to save hundreds of billions of dollars in addition to whatever they claim they are saving now. because they want to make sure that's all there before they sign on to anything. it doesn't look like anything is going to break for now. and this means good news for john boehner who says this is going to force the democrats to

come to republicans for the first time and negotiate sincerely. steve: in fact, the blue dogs are concerned about the reimbursement rates for medicare services to health care providers and the surtax on wealthy individuals. on the senate side, it sounds like those three democrats and the three republicans who were essentially the key negotiators on the senate finance committee. it sounds like they are actually making some headway. regarding that surtax on the most successful americans, the 5.4 thing, that's dead. also the public option, dead. now, instead, and one of the other things that we have heard about that has worried a lot of small businesses is if you do not provide health care for your employees, you are going to get a big tax. well, apparently, rather than any sort of big tax, what is in the senate version would be an incentive if you provide it, we will give you an incentive. and, of course, there would not be that big tax on the most successful americans. gretchen: i find this fascinating that the senate has apparently thrown out three of

the key points, if you are a liberal, of what you like about the health care reform bill. this is amazing to me that members of the senate, republicans and democrats, would throw out these three major points if you are a republican, you like this idea. but, it shows that the house and the senate are not going to be' brian: shows matt bachus sincere attempt put some things on the table. the big question is what is in though thousand pages at least on the house side, what is in there? the president has made it clear he has not read the whole thing. there is a reason why. we need representative john conyers to tell us why. he makes sense of it all. now. steve: and action. we have got a sound bite of john conyers. >> i love these members that get up and say read the bill what good is reading the bill if it's a thousand pages and you don't have two days and two lawyers to

find out what it means after you have read the bill. steve: do you have two lawyers. brian: two lawyers and two days, whatever you need. steve: take two days. take all week. and get your lawyers, your staff lawyers and go through it line by line so everybody knows what is in the bill. we had carol browner on this program. she came on the show live from the white house. to talk about how cap and trade would work. i asked her a very simple question about it. after all, she was the lead pitch person. listen. steve: carol, before you go, i know the bill is over 1,000 pages long. have you read it? >> oh, i'm very familiar with this bill. we have. steve: you have read it? >> we have been watching this for a very long time. steve: i'm sure you have an idea of it but have you read it? >> i have read major portions of it absolutely. steve: so the answer is no you haven't read it. but you read a big chunk of it.

steve: and then she said that wasn't fair she read enough of it to know what was going on. gretchen: apparently congressman conyers doesn't watch our show if he did he wouldn't have gone in front of the national press conference yesterday and said why the heck should we read these bills. a lot of the voters for congressman conyers want him to be reading the bills. i guarantee you that. or they would like to have some revision in the way these bills are written to make them simpler to so it doesn't take so much time to read the bills and legal jar -- jargon. maybe you can't get rid of that legal jargon. steve: the reason i asked that question is so many people up on capitol hill didn't read the stimulus bill and what was in it wait a lot of that isn't going to kick in until next year. the extraordinary thing about that man right there john conyers he is saying i don't read those bills. he is the chairman of the judiciary committee, the committee in charge of the laws. you would think that a lawyer would want to know what's in the bill. he apparentlies what's in the

bill. he just hasn't read the bills. brian: i don't know if you guys are getting. this i'm getting people cutting and pasting getting pages from the bill. especially seniors and they talk about major maybe page 425. it says there is going to be a panel adjourned that's going to be able to examine your illness and decide and help you decide what is the best cause of action for you and every five years you get to meet with this panel. really? who are these people? do i have no-to-meet with them. i don't care that you are paying for it i don't want five strangers deciding i need more morphine, thank you. gretchen: obama administration says that's just one person's interpretation of it. there are a lot of concerns about the fine print, if you may. let's talk a little bit about bernie madoff. remember, he was head of this major ponzi scheme. brian: $65 billion worth. gretchen: he gave this amazing interview where he now says that he believed that he would have been caught a lot earlier in his career as a criminal but he wasn't. steve: he gave this interview

tuesday, yesterday, a four and a half hour interview to an attorney, an -- a lawyer who is thinking about suing bernie's wife ruth and children and brother peter. bernie said, the lawyer said he was extremely forth coming. and at one point he said i wasn't trading. i wasn't making actual trades for years. where was the sec? why do we pay taxes to the sec? they never caught me. i'm surprised they never did. brian: guy's name is joe covechy. concerned about his brother and wife. not concerned about his sons. he said they weren't involved. he said many times i thought they caught me and they didn't. steve: cares about ruth. doesn't give a blank about his sons mark and andrew. gretchen: that's amazing for that kind of a quote apparently the sons claim they knew nothing about it and the sons claim they haven't talked to either bernie or ruth since his arrest.

steve: that would suggest why he is hacked off at the boys. when he was falling down the stairs ruth stood by him but the boys did not. gretchen: accused homegrown terrorists moving overseas this morning. feds there say they are still looking for one member of that north carolina group accused of trying to wage a violent holy war. one of them still on the loose. the u.s. attorney isn't naming the person that says the suspect is a u.s. citizen who went to pakistan last year and could still be there. seven people though under arrest, accuse of plotting terror attacks abroad. family members, of course they say the charges unsubstantiated. gretchen: the woman who called 911 when professor henry gates was trying to get inside his home will break her silence today in just a few hours. lucia whalen will hold a news conference. she called the cops and it sparked a national debate about racial profiling.

in the call she told police she was unsure if the men were breaking into gates home or if they lived there she also did not mention their race. political consultant found dead. jack shaw found in his apartment in new jersey, pill bottles around him. shaw charged with taking 10 grand in bribes from the government informant. he was one of 44 people. including mayors, rabbis busted in the massive operation in new jersey last week. the heat is turning up on the doctor, authorities say, who killed michael jackson. federal agents now raiding dr. conrad murray's las vegas home and office. the search coming after he admitted giving jackson the powerful drug propofol hours after he died. investigators with the d.e.a. and l.a. police searched for documents and computer files related to jackson. they were also looking for any prescriptions written for jackson under apparently the 19 different aliases that he used

to get those medications. brian: dr. shopping. gretchen: atheists are causing a stir in indiana. the indiana atheist bus campaign has won a suit to display fras like you can be good without god on city buses. until now the policy had always been the two not post adds on controversial public issues. the ads have a lot of local people upset. >> what we are trying to do is get a dialogue started. >> it's just to antagonize people for no legitimate purpose except to annoy people and upset people. but they have a right to do it. i think they should have a right to do it. i think -- gretchen: the new ruling also let's the atheist group post ads as frequently as it chooses. those are your headlines. brian: 12 minutes after the hour. steve: more than $30 billion spent last year on medical malpractice lawsuits. with that kind of money, maybe we could overhaul health care just with that why does president obama's plan ignore the frivolous lawsuit epidemic?

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steve: last year health care providers spent more than $30 billion on health care claims. excessive and frivolous lawsuits in health care are wrecking the system. if that is the case, why does president obama's health care plan ignore the epidemic of frivolous lawsuits? with us today is legal analyst peter johnson jr. good morning to you. >> you have asked the absolute right question. as a trial lawyer, who has represented doctors, who has represented people against doctors, that is the glaring missing piece in what was going on. we heard the president and you

and gretchen and brian were talking about it earlier. the president responding to a question from a senior about are seniors going to be asked to give up health benefits in dying days. steve: worried about end of life. >> quarter of medicare costs are based on what people are spending in their dying days. we are ignoring a terrible, terrible issue with regard to malpractice claims. it costs $30 billion a year. it reflects 1.5% of the health care budget. steve: that's a lot of money that could help. >> then there is this issue of defensive medicine where doctors go and do tests and procedures and surgeries that may not be necessary. we don't know the cost of that. but the issue is this. there is a scale or a balance or at least there should be. what's going on now is that seniors are taking the brunt of it while the lawyers are walking away. i have brought many many real malpractice claims.

they have been blinded in horrible, horrible incidents. i have defended doctors and hospitals in claims that were absolutely frivolous. made up, dismissed fab brie indicated but exacted a toll on our system and doctor's lives. steve: the president made it clear. again, the president is a lawyer. this is not going to be a component of the health care fix in this country. the picture that you are depicting, peter, is of america's elderly versus america's attorney. >> that's what it turns out. who has got the political weight here? our which american association of retired persons which historically has been aligned with a lot of left eye leaning causes has taken a walk on this we haven't heard about changing the laws in our states and our country whereby you set up a system where there has to be a

threshold. there has to be a serious injury. there has to be a grave injury. there has to be permanency in order to bring a legitimate claim. i'm for legitimate claims. i'm not for sacrificing the final days of old people in the interest of lawyers. and it appears to me, as a lawyer, who has brought these claims, who has defended these claims, that that is exactly what we're doing. we can't tell the old people, listen, be patriotic and i do quietly and save off the quarter of all health care costs in your dying days. and at the same time, ignore what's happened to our system. steve: we have talked on this program about how the health care lobby, you know, the hospitals have been in the room talking about what they need out of the deal. prescription drugs and stuff like that. the attorneys have a huge lobby in this country and clearly, they have got more money, more at stake than. >> exactly. i'm not going to bash lawyers because lawyers have. steve: you are one. >> i am.

they have had an effective role in america in preserving the rights of people who have been injured. but let's not bring claim for people who aren't injured pay for this, 1.5% of the healthcare system. the health care plan is looking to cut out imaging, cut out end of life care. cut out product -- make productivity increases. keep people out of nursing homes and the president says oh, i just want to advise you about your choices, your living will. let's be honest about what the government is trying to do. the government is trying to say to you, cut costs as you die. let's not spend good money after bad. that's wrong. let's at least study the problem. let's know what these frivolous lawsuits are doing to our system. bring the good ones, throw out the bad ones. steve: peter johnson jr. with a special progressive you only hear right here on fox. >> good to see you. steve: children getting more from school from the nurse than their temperature checked. you can say pregnancy test for

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gretchen: welcome back, everyone. when you send your child to school you expect they will be taking a bunch of tests. did you ever think they would be taking a pregnancy test. a school district just voted to approve pregnancy tests for school. member of the pta and mother of two she says the idea is a good idea. and this father disagrees. he is also a member of the pta and father of three.

thanks for being my guests this morning. you believe this is an good idea. open door centers in this community in new york. they want to open one at the middle school and high school and offer pregnancy tests to the kids. why is that a good idea? >> they have identified that pregnancy trend in. this is about providing immediate access to students to address the problem. early detection. about approaching the whole child. total child. not only addressing their academic needs but their health needs, psychological needs and social needs. trying to address the entire child in our school system. gretchen: i know you disagree with it. this should be the parent's choice and not offered in the school setting without parental consent. >> correct, gretchen. i think what she does and women like her and my wife through the pta, they are the true strength of our country. the job mothers do no more important job in the world than being a mother and father. i don't think the school should offer a service that comes in between the parent and child by

providing access to the child and removing the parent from the situation. that he was not a good thing gretchen glitch argue kids can go to the local pharmacy and pick up a pregnancy test. what's the difference? also you say to be a part of this open door health center, the parents have to consent to that actual action taking place. so in essence they are concerning. explain that. >> if you want to avail yourself of open door services, paperwork when you started the student in the high school and also this year they will make it so that the parents understand what services they will be provided if this is a sticking point for you where you don't agree with the pregnancy testing of children, or of your child, then you can just opt out of open door all together if that's really your sticking point. for the majority of people this is a service we are providing and majority of people would be supportive of it. gretchen: lima, how would you argue against her point. teenage pregnancy is a problem in this community. what carol lee is arguing this will be a way to find out

earlier no matter what decision they make. >> they didn't release the numbers. there was a shock at the initial consultation when they found out the amount of pregnancy. nobody released the numbers. they are calling epidemic. we don't know what the numbers truly are let's say it is a problem. i think instead of having to opt out of a program like this they should do it the other wait a minute we should say yes i want my child to be tested for pregnancy without my knowledge. i want my child ton counseled of suicide and risk of pregnancy without my knowledge. i want my sent to a practitioner without my knowledge. i don't know too many mothers and fathers who would sign on and check the box for that. gretchen: very interesting debate. as you can see parents on both sides of this issue. carol lee and leon, thank you for sharing your time with us today. >> thank you. gretchen: we know where they -- what they are going to drink where are they going to drink it? >>no they will cheer each other with a beer tomorrow night. right answers to the famous ink

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>> i am still reeling over last week's profiling scandal. i am speaking, of course, we are all hurt, i can tell. i'm speaking, of course, about barack obama's profiling of cambridge police officer jim crowley. >> there was a discussion about he and i and professor gates having a beer here in the white house. >> oh, just because he is a police officer he drinks beer. huh? interesting. what if he prefer as peno or single mulch scotch with his jelly donuts. brian: i never took that take on it i never thought the cop was being profiled. i realize there is two sides to every story. steve: there you go. the president is going to sit down with officer crowley and professor gates tomorrow night at the white house. they will gather on the south lawn, 6:00 p.m. we don't know what the flavor beer. what the brand beer. but we do.

gretchen: spokesperson said, robert gibbs said it would be a bud. steve: said that is what the pud likes. will they be serving it all the way around? all we know for sure is the table they will consume the buyer at. and apparently that is the table right there. and those shiny things on the top are plaques that have the names of all 44 of the presidents of the united states. that particular picnic table was purchased with that swingset that the obamas bought when they moved into the white house. brian: van buren. gretchen: is that actually where they are going to sit down? steve: yeah. that's where it is. gretchen: is this a press avail? is press going to be allowed. brian: i think they will be allowed. steve: absolutely they will take pictures of it brian, as to moving your red stripe off of van brunner buren.

is it ok to use the presidents as coasters and the answer is probably. especially grover cleveland use him twice. gretchen: somebody else who is weighing in on this alcohol controversy is colin powell. the former secretary of state did an interview last night where he actually criticized the professor, professor gates for selecting the wrong moment to make his racial profiling point. a very interesting perspective. he says. this i think he should have reflected on whether or not this was the time to make that big of a deal. steve: he also said i was taught as a child you don't argue with a police officer. >> that's what i was taught, too. the other thing is, i wonder do you recount what happened? when you have officer crowley here with professor gates. if you are barack obama, do you say guys, just tell me what happened. how do you see it? how do you see it or do you just make white wash -- bad term. do you just forget all that let's just move forward and be

friends. >> is it the president of the united states' duty to personally get involved. steve: he invited them. gretchen: i keep asking the question about how is this going to change anything at the end of this beer fest because the sergeant is still going to say i did what i was supposed to do after a police officer. professor gates is probably going to say i still feel this particular way. so where does that leave president obama? because if he is still not going to apologize to anyone in this situation, why do it look at the two men at the table. professor gates, one of the smartest guys in the country when it comes to these black studies. steve: then you look at officer crowley, he actually taught how to handle situations like this at the local police academy. these are both guys at the top of their game. so neither one of them is going to cave. awful though gates did say one day he said i'm going to hire a lawyer. i'm thinking about a lawsuit.

going to make a documentary. 12 hours later going you know what? it's time to move on. they are going to move on. the good place for the president to start would be this story out that apparently gates and crowley distantly are related to each other. brian: irish. gretchen: is that not the biggest irony of this entire discussion. brian: by the way barack obama is related to dick cheney. gretchen: barack obama's relatives are related to crowley and gates. maybe that's why all three of them. good way to break the ice. brian: you say ok, let's get this straight. what happened. >> but if it's all ceremonial, i don't know why they are doing it i want them to come out and say we discovered this. gretchen: i still don't know how it takes the president out of the equation. i still don't understand how it takes him out of the equation how he got involved in the first place. steve: some people still looking

for study from somebody. >> wikipedia says they expose the right answers, psychologically for those who wanted the ink block test and therefore destroying a test that's been a standard since 1921. steve: that's right. tens of thousands of research papers have been done on the rorschach test. brian: her man rorschach. steve: came out with them in the 1920s. we showed one of them and we asked to you tell us what you think that particular ink blot looks like to you. and we -- brian: then we will tell you how emotionally healthy you are. steve: hundreds of answers. christina in vermont says the ink blot looks like the front view of an elephant. one can clearly see the face, trunk, and tusks. gretchen: i have no idea if that's the right or wrong answer answer. gretchen: in florida says i think this one is a bat. i see his eyes and they are at

the bottom of the page. maybe upside down bat. brian: ink blot number four looks like the incredible hulk running towards me. that guy. robert says it's obama gates and crowley after a few too many beers. you or them? steve: answer answer to that particular ink block according to conventional wisdom if you see annal skin or a big massive animal, you are normal. brian: see that's not good for me. gretchen: i hate to be diagnosed into these corners brian: i see a joint like a robot. gretchen: once people said somebody on a harley once they said that i see that too. signed of kind of the theories second child got a tendency to do whatever. i don't agree with putting people in box kind of continuation. the people who usinged to hold the right would like to sue but

it's out there. the eye test that startle with the great big e. if you wanted to you could memorize that my dad did that. people at wikipedia going to take that down? no. brian: they are not going to worry. 22 minutes before the top of the hour. what do you see? i see the headlines. brown bear, brown bear. beginning of that book. president obama holding two town halls on health care today after house lawmakers negotiated for seven hours and got no deal. they want to curb spending by squeezing an extra $35 billion out of medicare. so democrats now say they might not have a reform plan in place before the august recess which they want sod badly. however, several senators say they could make that deadline. they claim to be close to a bipartisan agreement. it is expected to include incentives for employers to provide health insurance instead of penalties and would endorse narrowly targeted tax increases instead of a health surcharge on the wealthy.

meanwhile, several hundred people gathered in denver to protest of the reforms. the crowd said they everywhere demonstrating against what they called government health care. big crowd. steve: that's what it is all about. stormy, too. iraqi forces raid a camp north of baghdad that houses members of iranian opposition group leaving four people dead. accused of shooting members of opposition group with ba dobbs. they them they moved into the camp burr denies any violence was used against the exiles. dismuf written of doe domestic terrorism will be outlined today mostly build on what the already done. loss of keys from a sensitive security more seriously. a tougher chore will be encouraging more cooperation between agencyings. brian? brian: i will read now, gretchen. the postal service may be next

in line for a bailout. the government accountability office just adding to its list of federal agencies in need of change. the post office has been struggling with the sharp decline in mail volume as people and businesses switch from email to personal contact and bill paying. the agency is facing 7 billion-dollar potential loss this year. >> we have got to keep the post office. how elms will he get my porterry boorn catalog. steve: how hot is it? take a look at your answer. so hot firefighters outside portland oregon were called out to hose down neighborhoods. and it generated some dancing in the spray. the thermometer hit 105 yesterday. could top that today. the normal high for this day, 80. so, they are lots hotter. gretchen: it's a simple life is

what you crave head to tucson arizona. the city tops the new report for simplest and most rewarding place to live. tucson is not only low on crime rate suicide rates apparently less expensive. simple life include greenville, south carolina, month pierre, vermont. logan, utah and ames iowa. those all sound like good destinations. >> it is wednesday and you know what that means tame for dave ramsey's plays tech tej he is going to answer europe email about money. >> this guy plunges 180 feet over a water fall. >> there he is at the bottom of screen. >> he turns out per electricitily ok. want he said it was fun. first ofaflac tri i can't questn

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gretchen: could it be true that there is good news now in the housing market? well, there has been a surprising and sudden jump in home sales. steve: for new homes, that's right. what does this market change mean for all of us. dave ramsey is the host of the dave ramsey show on fox business network. good morning to you, dave. >> good morning, guys. steve: what does it mean. >> well, we kind of predicted this whack in april. we could see that the thing that led us into this recession was housing. and the real estate in general. and we were saying and lot of other people were saying that

housing was going to lead us out. it's not really surprising. basically we have got a bunch of people standing on the sidelines or have been standing on the sidelines that are now entering the game. and we have got about a year's worth of pentagon up demand of people who would have been buying houses but weren't because they were freaked out and they are buying now. brian: let's go to some of the emails similar topic. >> well, we always recommend a 15 year mortgage. we have found that 100% of the time you pay it off in 100 years or less people who take out 30 year mortgage and promise to pay it in 15 prom dresses and transmissions go out. you never do what you promise to do.

>> well, there is certainly a whole lot to be said about having your home paid for. you take off your shoes and walk through the backyard the grass feels different. it's a different world. you know? i always recommend that. but when you start talking about cutting your square footage in half with two kids. you want to make sure you don't cause a divorce here or child abuse or something. make sure the family can endure the smaller square footage. if they can, it's a great financial move there is a loft peace in your life when you don't have a mortgage. brian: burmese mountain dog takes up a lot of them. don't get one of them. steve: speaking of mortgages.

>> i think it's a great idea. going down in interest rate and slight increase in mortgage but gets rid of 10 years of it. he has obviously got the money to pay that with that kind of an income. i would probably crank that on down to a 10 though. brian: plastectomy every week. that's when we burn our credit cards. gretchen: i was going to say you have to define what it is. brian: do it in creative ways here is an example. >> ground it in the river. tape it like. so see how it survives seven miles of white water. there it is. it's hanging on the paddle. duct tape is starting to come off. the words are starting to come off. it's hanging on there wait until we hit the white water. steve: take as licking and keeps on ticking like dave ramsey. thanks for joining us live today. >> thanks, guys. brian bruin you have insane

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steve: the winner is carol atrip from columbus, georgia. congratulations. don't try this at home, kids. ♪ steve: oh, man, there he goes. tyler brought plunged 198 feet into the world record books after he made that drop off a waterfall in washington state. brian: he walked away with just a sprained wrist and right to our couch. he's here live. steve: he's still damp. how are you doing? >> i'm doing well. thank you. steve: which one is sore?

>> this one here. steve: you've just established a new world record. why? >> i've been running water flows for a few years, and this is the climax. brian: at one point you were totally immersed in the water. what are you thinking as the water goes totally around you? >> well, it pretty much goes to whiteout and you're just falling back on the visualizations, going into your tuck position and getting ready for landing. brian: so you're in the kayak. where can you go? >> so you're tucked as far forward as you can to get to the front of the boat, it minimizes the impact at the bottom. there is a lot of technique. it's not simply going off the lip and hoping for the best. steve: you went down close to 200 feet. then your kayak, and there you are -- then your kayak became a

submarine because you were under the water for quite a bit of time. >> and you want to tpenetrate, you want to go as deep as possible, and i imagine i was 30 feet under the water. brian: you were totally with it the whole time, never lost consciousness, so you're down underneath the water. what are you doing to get up or are you allowing the kayak to go up? >> i'm not going to lie, it was a pretty big impact. brian: i don't think you're lying. i'm pretty convinced you're not lying. >> i'm definitely not. steve: it just so happens that you have traveled here with your personal photographer, your own father, standing in the dark with the camera. when your family found out that you had done this, because you easily could have done that, what was the reaction, particularly that man in the dark?

>> my family is used to it, i've been kayaking since is was 6 and extreme kayaking since i was 14. this was no surprise to him. steve: dad, were you a little steamed? >> no, he's done this enough, i just don't get that worried. brian: i've been on the hulk roller coaster at universal. what goes on inside your body? are you thinking this is a bad move? what goes on as you're plunging? >> you don't have very much time to second-guess your second, you want to be confident so you can react. there's not a lot going through your head except for running the drop and running it well. you want to land right. brian: will you go back? >> probably not this one. brian: to beat your own record? >> i don't know. steve: the world record holder and going over the falls in a

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about the future of our troops there. what he said and what it means for them coming up. steve: hey, put down that soda and also maybe not so much captain crunch and perhaps you should order a salad rather than a burger because there's a new proposal out in los angeles today to pay for health care reform. tax people who don't eat right. senator bill frisk who is also a heart surgeon has his take on that aspect of the health care debate. brian: one woman who won't cut the flavor from your food and always has taste on the top of her menu, we're talking about paula deen is here. our slogan comes from billy king. had breakfast news, all the facts without any artificial ingredients. good. [captioning made possible by fox news channel] captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org-- >> i wake up every morning to "fox & friends." steve: thank you, paula deen,

she's going to join us this hour, and so is that man right over there, it's dr. bill. all we need is another dr. bill, dr. bill frisk is going to be here. brian: in two minutes or right now? gretchen: right after the news. let's get to your headlines, though, because we start with a "fox news alert." robert gates says he sees some chance of a modest acceleration in the pace u.s. troops are withdrawn from iraq. he spoke to reporters after flying out of iraq. he indicated a combat brigade could come home ahead of schedule, but didn't set a timetable. he said it appeared the security situation was better than expected. the manhunt for an accused home groin terrorist moving overseas this morning. one member of that north carolina group accused of trying to wage a violent holy war is still on the loose. the u.s. attorney is not naming the person, but they do say the suspect is a u.s. citizen who

went to pakistan last year and could still be there. seven people currently under arrest back home accused of plotting terror attacks abroad. family members of these accused call the charges unsubstantiated. the arrests have led federal prosecutors to worry about a growing number of americans who go abroad to learn terrorism tactics. a new report just released says pregnant women face the greatest risk of dying from the swine flu. the study recommends that women should be first in line for the antiviral drug. of the 266 swine flu related deaths right here at home, 15 of those were pregnant women. meantime some churches in the uk aren't allowing the communion challis being passed around over fear of spreading the flu, but some pastors think that's going too far. >> we need to stand against any panic in society and not join in with it. because there is a degree of apprehension and a degree of panic around that is quite unnecessary.

gretchen: there's also some concern in the middle east over the elderly traveling and contracting the swine flu there. in an extraordinary four and a half hour interview from behind bars bernie madoff says he can't believe he got away with ripping people off for as long as he did. he said there were times he met with regulators and were convinced they had figured out his scam finally, but he said he kept getting away with that ponzi scheme because the s.e.c. weren't paying attention. madoff reportedly doesn't care about his two sons, mark and andrew. they haven't spoken since his arrest in december, they haven't spoken to bernie or ruth. madoff is serving 150 years at a federal prison in north carolina. the full senate expected to approve judge sonia sotomayor to the supreme court as early as next week. republican senator from south carolina lindsey graham voted with the democrats when the j

committee voted. many families in texas lost everything when hurricane ike hit last summer including their pets, but one family has found their beloved dog who had been missing for ten months. this is daisy. the family vet said amazingly she's in good shape considering she spent most of the year on the run. she was seen walking away by neighbors less than one mile from the place she was last spotted in september. you can imagine how thrilled that family is to have daisy back. brian: almost as thrilled as we are to have senator bill frisk here. steve: president obama breaking down his health care plan at an aarp health care town hall in d.c. take a listen to this. >> the idea behind reform is, number one, we reform the insurance companies so they can't take advantage of you, number two, that we provide you a place to go to purchase

insurance that is secure that isn't full of fine print that is actually going to deliver on what you pay for, number three, we want to make sure that you're getting a good bargain for your health care. steve: and number four, we've got bill frisk to talk about it. brian: he happens to be a great doctor and author of "a heart to serve" which will be released in october. dr. frisk, not only do you understand the doctor business, but you studied other health care systems. >> i did spend a year working for the british national hair care system. it's a socialized system. it rations health care. it's important -- brian: what did you say? >> i worked at the british national health service and what they have now is a thing in judging comparative effectiveness, so if you have a drug that is life saving for

tumors, it's not covered in england even though it's live saving. why? because it costs $49,000. steve: we can save your life, but you're going to cost us too much money, so too bad. >> it's going to cost $50,000, and, therefore, you can't get it. so that's a problem and america is not going to tolerate that. the problem is there's certain people who want to get that. the real -- first of all, there's some good stuff in this health care bill. brian: that you like? >> that i like. things like insurance reform. right now people have a hard time. if they lose their job, they need to be able to get insurance, and you can't get it today, and this preexisting illness, and insurance companies will accept it, they'll step back. if the playing field is level. preexisting illness. the second issue is information technology. we are going to get more government, more control made by

panels of people. steve: oh, goody. >> so that's going to happen. they're going to get a bill through that does that, but what we need to do, and what they do a little bit, is give information to people so you can have markets work, so consumers can know what the best doctors are, where they are, what therapies cost. and that is in the bill, and that stuff is good. steve: we were talking a little bit last night. there are some problems the way it is right now, and perhaps if there's a change we can get closer to making the current system work better. >> we've got the best health care in the world. people all over the world come here. we have a sector, not a system. we need to fix it, but it doesn't cost $1.6 trillion with more government control and rationing of health care. gretchen: that's one of the things you don't like about the plan is it costs too much money, but the senators got together, six of them last night, and they took away that 5.4% surcharge

tax on people who make over $1 million and they took away the 8% penalty on small businesses if they choose not to provide health care, so that would be money going into the coffers to pay for this massive thing. how are we going to pay for it? >> you can't pay $1.6 trillion when the country is going bankrupt already, it can't be done. individuals can't do it when they're losing their jobs today, so you can't ask a couple making $350,000 to make an additional $20,000 to cover the uninsured which is what the democratic bill does today. so how do you pay for it? insurance reform does not cost money. information technology we've already invested in. seamless coordinated health care does not cost money. let's put those reforms in, cover the hard core 20 million uninsured, we can't do all 46 million, and do it by refundable tax credit, consumer driven system, 21st information coming in and maximizing people's choices. markets will work. brian: if barack obama wanted to reach across the aisle, he'd call a guy like there.

you're not in this anymore, but yet you dominate it because of your unique background. you don't like the affordability end of it. the other two things were innovation. you feel it would squelch invasion. >> i saw what it did in england. if you have a nationalized plan and it's cheaper, you pay hospitals less and doctors less, the 160 million people with private insurance will get dumped into this private plan, nationalized plan. you request do a local plan, but if you give it to a nationalized government, rationing is inevitable. steve: what about rationing food? there's a writer who talks about how there's such an obesity problem in this country maybe we need to tax unhealthy food, so, in other words, for our big board over there, add a food

czar, somebody to determine what is good for you and what is bad for you. what do you think about that? >> i think it is interesting, and this is where the argument is actually fascinating to me. people think universal health care, promising everybody better doctor, more expensive care is going to make people live longer and better cares. it's not. that has an impact about 20%. the biggest impact in health care, health care of all of us is behavior, that's about 40%, how we behave and eat and exercise and genetics which is 30% and health services are 15%. so people think we're going to cure these illnesses by universal health care, it's a lie. do you want a five-person board out of washington, d.c. dictating your behavior? gretchen: instead of a food tax, what about trying to cure the obesity problem by making it a personal responsibility issue, by putting incentives in health care reform for somebody to lose weight and then have their

premiums go down? >> you've got to reward them, and if you look at the behavioral field -- brian: let's go over this. in 1998, 18% were obese, in 2006, 25%. it costs us $40 billion a year. those are real numbers. >> it's twice what it is for an obese person than someone who is not. that's what brings it is down to the real level. do you dictate that from above or do you align everybody's incentives which is exactly what we're talking about, giving them even a financial incentive. if they've got a program, they've got a plan, they're losing weight, they're enrolled, they're in an employer-sponsored health care plan, then give them a little bit of a tax advantage. brian: give me one country that has it right. tell me the one country that you think we can learn from in terms of revamping our system. >> that's a great question. we do need to get more people in the insurance markets today. right now 46 million people outside the market, allows for cherry picking, therefore, those

countries which have universal care is appropriate to work in that direction, make people pay for it. we've got to learn from primary care. go to england. better primary care. steve: dr. bill frist, thank you for making a couch call. brian: and we look forward to your book. they may be older, but they're not dead yet. president obama tries to convince senior citizens this health care overhaul will work. sandrai went to pick up my prescription and i was told...

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gretchen: president obama taking his case for health care reform to a town hall at the aarp headquarters yesterday, but why would a group founded on protecting the interests of seniors back a plan that some say will hurt the elderly? brian: dick morris is here, and he's got a brand-new book out called "catastrophe," "fleeced"

still available. first off, do seniors have a right to be concerned? >> yeah, they absolutely do. when dr. frist was speaking before about evasten, the drug that is banned in britain and canada because it's too expensive to treat colon cancer, it costs $50,000 a year, we use it as standard treatment for advanced stage colon cancer treatment. they ban it in canada. in canada 41% of the people that get colon cancer die of it, and in the united states only 32% of the people die of it. that nine-point difference is caused by the inavailability of that drug evasten, and you have an eight-month waiting list in canada for colonoscopy. we go through this in "catastrophe", and it is directly responsible for the death of elderly people. so sure, they have a right to be concerned.

steve: the president yesterday was at the aarp headquarters, and, dick, a lot of people think aarp is looking out for me because i'm over 62 or 65. is that the case? >> no, aarp is looking out for aarp. there's been a major change. when george bush proposed and got passed the prescription drug benefit, he designated or aarp designated itself as one of the intermediaries in providing that care, and they are now a vendor. they're as trustworthy as allstate or nationwide or state farm which means they're a business out for themselves. they're no longer like the sierra club or the national organization for women, groups that advocate a cause. they're a profit making company. they're officially nonprofit, but they're a company that's trying to maximize its revenues, so if they're cutting in on the deal, they're going to back it, but old people are not following suit.

they oppose this plan by 15 points, and 66% of the elderly in the fox news poll say that they believe this will make their medical care worse and only 9% say it will make it better. brian: more with dick morris in just a second. her poll numbers are at an all-time low, nancy pelosi, and she does not care about that, and now democrats are shying away from her. dick will tell us what is going on. gretchen: he promised to protect your freedom and defend the u.s. constitution, so he had to speak up when he thought something was wrong, a former marine's speech turns into a tea party. steve: take a look at this incredible one-handed catch, a fan, a dad, caught it with that left hand. and he had a baby in the right. the baby not impressed. that's my daddy. - ( microphone feedback ) - whoa. hi, i'm john.

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steve: right now take a look at this. 48% of americans have an unfavorable opinion of nancy pelosi according to a new gallup poll, even democrats seem to be shying away from her. gretchen: why? maybe it's commentses like this. >> i'm not afraid of august. it's a month. we're scheduled to do it now or do it whenever. steve: i'm not afraid of august either. so is pelosi trying to undermine the administration? we're back with dick morris, the author of the new hit book "catastrophe" seen right there. dick, she says she doesn't care that her poll numbers are low. does she? >> yeah, she does, but i think a house speaker isn't elected by the voters, she's elected by the house, so her sample is 270 democrats, and as long as they like her, she crew care less what the other 300 million people think, and she comes from a safe district in california,

but it's important to realize that the division between moderates and radicals in the democratic party is pretty much 50-50. when bill clinton proposed welfare reform, it was 99-99, the vote among house democrats. and pelosi only defeated hoyer by a little bit and obama only defeated hillary by a little bit, so whenever you see a conflict between the sort of minorities/internet/movement left, as against the professional, long-term, labor, democratic party center, you get 50-50, and pelosi is the candidate of the left. the reason she can't discipline the blue dogs is because they didn't vote for her, they're not part of her coalition, she doesn't give them goodies. gretchen: and they're disagreeing with her wholeheartedly on this health care reform bill, and one of the big reasons for her poll numbers

dropping are because of her comments about the cia. >> i think that's true. you don't get into a fight with the head of the cia and live to tell about it usually. i mean figuratively speaking. this is sort of a rump caucus within a caucus that's running it. steve: if you could give us 30 seconds on what is going on because we hear that blue dogs have somehow in the senate come up with some sort of compromise. what's really happening? >> what's going on is the democrats in the house, the blue dogs, are saying we're not going to vote for this turkey, this bill, until you get some republicans to vote for it. we need a bipartisan fig leaf. so in the senate they're going to the republicans saying we don't need the public option, we don't need mandatory coverage,

we'll give you nice, user friendly, moderate bill, and then you come onboard for it, we get the house democrats to pass it, we go to conference, and we toughen it up, and you are stuck. steve: well, great. gretchen: and we thought they were making progress on it, but, dick, as always, interesting analysis and thanks for being our guest this morning. steve: what do arsenic, mustard gas, and tanning beds have in common? well, they can all kill you. a new report you cannot miss is straight ahead. gretchen: a veteran marine who won't allow the country he fought for to crumble. his town hall question on health care turned into a spontaneous tea party. he tells us how he's reacting this morning. steve: and joining us live from savannah will be paula deen, and she isn't cutting any calories. paula's got a stick of butter over there somewhere, i'm sure.

steve: welcome back. over my shoulder there's a cartoon from t"the chicago tribune," and it's interesting, we're talking about how the government is spending all that dough, and as you can see there are some members of the cabinet, and they're shoveling out the dough, and there's some academics who are saying this is the way to do it, just throw a lot of money at it which we have heard a lot of, and yet gretchen and brian, when do you think this came out? do you think "the chicago tribune" publish this this week, in october, a year ago, or in 1934? brian: this is the guy that does the culture quiz often. i think it probably could have come out any of those dates. steve: you're exactly right, but that was published in "the chicago tribune" in 1934. brian: they have the same concerns that we had. steve: and part of the plan of action for the united states

spend, spend, spend under the guise of recovery. bust the government, blame the capitalists for the failure. sounds familiar. and you've got a guy from russia over there. how red the sunshine is getting, he imagines, and yet the guys who were shoveling out the dough were some brainiacs, and the other guys with the shovel members of fdr's cabinet and recovery team, and that guy right there with the dark hair is henry wallace who back in the day was the secretary of agriculture, then you've got howard ekkys who was the secretary of the interior, and the general council. >> and the same ekkys now was his dad or grandfather. brian: should you spend your way out of a recession and

depression. that's deep. now, i'm going to read. hey, steve, that's atlanta. your headlines now. the woman who called 911 when professor henry gates was trying to get inside his home will tell her story herself, and it will be today. in just a few hours we'll see this. sergeant crowley arrested gates sparking a national debate about racial profiling which ends up in a beer fest. in the call her lawyer says she did not say a word about race and is tired about being hounded about it, and the tapes cleared her. steve: they said it was like getting frequent flyer miles or a courtesy. senators dodd and conrad admitting they knew they were getting low rate mortgages from countrywide mortgage company, but thought nothing of it. the deals were approved, encouraged by then countrywide

chairman angelo mozilo. the senators have been accused of accepting sweetheart deals. gretchen. gretchen: tanning beds can kill you. a brand-new study connects the beds to the deadliest form of skin cancer. the light the machine gives off puts them in the highest risk category right along with cigarettes, and the risk jumps 30% if people use the bed before they are 30 years old. brian: it's a done deal, between yahoo and microsoft, they announced moments ago the computer giants will merge their search engines. both will use microsoft bing's search function and yahoo will sell the premium advertising for both companies, the deal less of a merger than a lot of investors had hoped for. remember they almost had a deal a while ago. steve: i use bing all the time.

i think it's great. two new transit operators are suspended this morning after this picture surfaced. that's an 8-year-old apparently behind the controls. the photo was taken by an angry passenger who's a lawyer. claims the child was actually driving the subway. the mta says they're looking into whether the 8-year-old drove the train or was simply in the cab. they say the boy is the conductor's son. the investigation goes on. gretchen: one dad who really knows how to juggle life with a new baby. tigers, rangers, michael young lifts one high and out of play, but check out that amazing catch. great concentration with the little guy a bill shaken up, but he's ok. rangers beat the tigers again last night 7-3. brian: tyler brought was on, and, by the way, you don't want to do this unless you're tyler brought, go over a cliff in a waterfall, he did it, 186 feet,

it's actually 198 he told us. it's a brad new record in the record books. amazingly he walked away with just a sprained wrist. he joined us earlier on the couch and told us what went through his mind going over the falls. >> well, you don't have very much time to second-guess your second. you want to be confident, calm, and collected going off the lip so that you can react to the waterfall. there's not a lot going through your head except for running the drop and running it well. brian: he's not done yet. you'll see him fly over more falls in the future, just not in washington state. gretchen: i thought that was an accident originally. i didn't know he planned it. i guess that's a daredevil for you. steve: hey, y'all, we've got a special guest who's going to show us how easy it is to prepare a backyard summer barbecue, and it's something who

watches our show every day. gretchen: and she's the queen of southern cuisine, paula deen, and she joins us from savannah, georgia. i don't know what's better, the fact that you have an outdoor kitchen or the fact that you're in savannah right now. both sound pretty good to me. >> it would be hard to pick, gretchen. i just love you guys, good morning. my day is not a day without starting without y'all. brian: thank you, we're honored by that. what do you have prepared for us? >> i have a grillful, steve. i've got some wonderful park tenderloins, my partners at smithfield have this fabulous recipe for marinated pork tenderloins or you can get them plain and make your own marinade. go to your cabinet, clean out your spices, and come up with your very own, and we're talking

like 20 minutes a pound, guys on these. you can have a fabulous meal together in no time. i've got sauceages, my smoked sausages on the grill, i've got peaches, smoked pork chops, wonderful side dishes. steve: what are you talking about, peaches on the grill? that's a new one for me. >> oh, my gosh, it's so good. you just half your peaches, and i like to dip mine in butter and brown sugar, and you can put a little cinnamon in it and put them down flat on the grill, flat side, and it kind of caramelizes them, y'all, and they are just wonderful. gretchen: something these i heard, somebody told me a rumor that you had some sort of special brownies in that kitchen too? >> oh, i do, gretchen, they're white chocolate cherry brownies, and they are fabulous.

steve: and you bikaked them in e grill? >> no, honey, i baked them in the oven. they said i've got to say bye. y'all go to smithfield.com, guys, and you can read about all the tips, and don't forget your local food banks this summer. hunger does not take a vacation, guys. steve: that's awful nice of you to say. paula deen, the cooking machine, joining us from savannah, thank you very much, paula, we're big fans. thank you. >> perfect. steve: good job. brian: an outdoor kitchen, how cool is that. gretchen: like i said i'm not sure which one i'd rather have the outdoor kitchen or savannah. brian: let's talk foreign policy. is israel in iran's cross hairs?

gretchen: pressure escalating for israel as fear spreads that they could be the ultimate target from iran. brian: ralph peters thinks this highlights the global problem with the obama administration's foreign policy. colonel, why does israel -- why is israel emblematic of some problems you see overseas? >> it's emblematic for several reasons, but the most important ones are that the obama administration has really intensified an old washington problem to a dangerous point, and that they just can't see the world through the eyes of not only our enemies, but even our allies. the obama administration can't get into the heads of anybody who lives east of martha's vineyard, and this is critical, and let me give you two quick

examples. the obama administration, the president himself, believes that by reaching out to the arab world, shoving israel to the sidelines really pandering to other populations in the middle east, he can create peace between palestine, the arabs, and the israelis, but if you're a member of hezbollah or hamas and you see the u.s. backing away from israel, how is that an i incentive to compromise. the message seems to be don't worry about iranian nukes, they probably won't use them. if you're trying to raise a family in haifa or tel aviv how do you like to be told about don't worry about iranian nukes, they probably won't use them? gretchen: and the president seems to be a huge advocate with sitting down and chating with these people, and so what are your feelings with trying to have dialogue with the iranians? >> well, first of all, i have to

say when i get to chat with you i'm always happier than a moonshiner with a new set of tires. gretchen: i'll take that. >> yes. gretchen: let's get back to iran. >> ok. but certainly look, we all would love to live in a world in which dialogue solves everything. i'd certainly love to. and president obama is very confident because frankly here's a man who through his charisma and charm and talent talked his way all the way into the white house, but now he's playing in a different league. i think he got a shock last month when putin of russia just stiffed him, he was shocked at the truculence, and now he's going to get it from iran because iran will talk forever, but not do anything. brian: they're blaming bush in the obama administration, unnamed of course, for being too close to israel and being too staunch of an ally. the fact that the obama administration is making them accountable for anything is causing such a backlash and surprise. do you see what they're talking

about? >> no, i don't. you know me, i'm just mr. politically correct, right? israel is part of our civilization. israel deserves what it has. they have built it from nothing, and brian, let me stress for any of your viewers out there, i'm a christian, it's not a rel jos thing, it's not a ethnic or jewish thing. israel is a fountain of democracy and the rule of law and progress in the most difficult area on earth, and i am on their side because of that. what's the bottom line? blame bush all you want, but israel wants to live in peace with its neighbors, israel's neighbors want to destroy israel. that's the difference. it's not bush's fault, and obama lives in a dream world. gretchen: lieutenant colonel ralph peters, always interesting to hear your thoughts, thanks a lot, and maybe we can chat sometime soon. brian: i'll bring the moonshine and i'll live right after. colonel ralph peters, thanks so

much. straight ahead the language police are editing your children's textbooks now. they're changing them, but not for dirty words, for phrases like "founding fathers" now gone, not politically correct anymore. wait until you hear what it's being replaced with and which other words are under fire. gretchen: then a veteran marine speaks up on health care and the crowd gives him a standing ovation. vo: so my husband and i don't usually buy the latest electronics. but thanks to walmart... and their low prices... we were able to buy this amazing new blu-ray player. anncr: get all the top-name blu-ray players from sony, samsung and panasonic. save money. live better. walmart.

steve: well, we've been telling you about the enormous influence that a few states have on textbook publishers and what that means for our kids. what happens when liberal special interest groups start lobbying the board of education in these states about what words

should and should not be included in your kids' textbooks? well, that guy right there, fox news contributor tucker carlson is joining us live from washington. good morning to you, mr. t. >> good morning, steve. keep in mind that if effort to control language is always an effort to control thought. i have a book called "reflecting diversity" published by mcmillan, and it makes it very clear that the effort to control language is an effort to change the social fabric of the country, to indoctrinate kids, not to teach them, but to make this a more just and equitable country, and it shows what words would be banned. words in textbooks that kids are not allowed to read, not bad words, not profanity, but words like "founding fathers" no longer allowed. steve: it's banned? what do they want to replace it with? >> well, the founders because you want want to suggest that the men who wrote the constitution, for instance, were

men. that would be scary. steve: and we discover that in chairman or chairwoman. they want to ban that. >> that's right. you are a chair. you are a piece of furniture. if you are a man that represents a district, you are not a congressman. you're not even a congresswoman. that's banned. fisherman, brotherhood, fellowship, freshman, workmanship, all of those words banned. i want you to take a look at something that all of us are familiar with that would be basically banned in a textbook for a very dirty word that it uses. watch this. >> it's so easy to use, geico.com, a caveman could do it. >> what? not cool. >> i did not know you were there. i can change. steve: he's offended by the word caveman, and so are the textbook people. >> i'm not saying there's an active caveman lobby, but

because the word caveman contains the obscene three-letter word meaning male, not allowed, cave people. steve: they want to scrub the books clean -- first of all, is there a siren in the background there? >> there is washington, d.c. we're right now congress. you're apt to hear sirens. steve: they want to get rid of men from the books? >> exactly, and in effect not acknowledge that there are differences between the sexes. this is not just a symantec question, use this word or use that word, it is part of a much larger strategy made to change the way people think. this is not a paranoid interpretation of what's going on. we spent a lot of time working on this documentary on the subject, and there's no question that this is an effort to change the country through the minds of your children, and it's scary.

steve: the special is coming up at the end of august, and tucker is going to be with us again to discuss more banned words, tucker carlson, the chair of the tucker carlson institute, we thank you very much. >> thanks. steve: straight ahead veteran marine speaks up at a town hall on health care, and the crowd gives him a standing "o." hear from the marine in just a couple of minutes. it was spontaneous tea party. . (pouring rain) i had a great time. me too. you know, i just got out of a bad relatio... it's okay. thanks. goodnight. goodnight.

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steve: clear mechanical arranged a health care town hall at a community college that he did not attend. gretchen: her age were there, standing in for her. a gentleman decided to sit in a front row. a marine out of active duty. he had a lot of questions with regards to the health care reform situation in his thoughts about it being unconstitutional. listen. >> article 1, section 8, as

pointed out earlier, no one in here mentioned the control. [applause] steve: the crowd went wild. a party broke out. he joined us earlier on "fox & friends." >> i think that they should be required to read every bill and i think they should be required to read the u.s. constitution, may be on national television, may be on your show before they take office. our founding documents say that our rights are given to us by god. god is the one the grants our rights. and if the federal government starts granting us rights, they are putting themselves in a godlike position. steve: coming out, we have da