i am broil. we hope to see you next time, and remember this, the spin stops right here, because we are definitely looking out for you. [captioning made possible by fox news channel] sean: this is a fox news alert. just a short time ago president obama concluded his meeting with harvard professor henry gates and sgt. james crowley of the cambridge, massachusetts, police department. now, the so-called beer summit was an effort by the administration to stem the controversy over the president's comment that the police acted "stupidly" during gates' arrest that took place earlier this month. the gathering was also attended by vice president joe biden. it took place in the historic white house rose garden. this was the first time that professor gates and sergeant crowley came face-to-face since the incident that took place on july 16. following his brief stop at the white house, sergeant crowley

spoke to reporters in washington. here's what he said. >> we had a cordial, productive discussion with the president, vice president and professor gates. we have all agreed that it is important to look forward, rather than backward in an effort to move not just the city of cambridge or two individuals past this event, but the whole country to move beyond this. >> now, the sergeant also told reporters that no apologies were exchanged during the meeting. professor gates also released a statement tonight saying, in part, "i'm hopeful that we can all move on and that this experience will prove an occasion for education, not recrimination. so will tonight's p.r. stunt put an end to the media firestorm? joining me now is our fox news analyst an anchor, kimberly guilfoyle. you know, i do think something has happened here. >> are you thirsty? >> no, but we do have beer here. this is great american beer here. >> good thing you brought this, because that whole thing was a little bit dull and dry, and i don't know what they thought

they accomplished. >> i like beer. oh, you brought beer. >> i thought maybe we could take a crack at that middle east conflict while we were here. >> i have no reason to believe it's illegal. >> byob. when you come to the summit. >> i brought my own beer. i thought we're having a summit. maybe we can have a skirmish over some beer. >> one of the things that's bothering me here, the president didn't apologize. >> no. >> gates didn't apologize. >> no. >> and they have successfully seemed to have moved this debate into an area where it really didn't belong. am i right or wrong? >> i think it's ridiculous. this is like a football game. somebody is heading to the wrong end zone. this did not accomplish what it set out to. it came off, really, lacking any authenticity. it just seemed force, very staged. they're so far away. it's like the nose bleed seats at a concert. what do you get from that whole deal, except every time having been in politics, they tell you

take off the suit, roll up the sleeves, appear relaxed, approachable to the american people. sean: so this is a photo op in kimberly's mind. >> totally staged. >> i'm going to be a little bit more critical. this was an unseemly moment for the office of the presidency from the very beginning. i thought it was inappropriate that the president weighed in on this during his health care press conference, before he had any information, threw the cops under the bus. and i thought this was inappropriate, too. i don't think the president needs to be a hall monitor and teach us all a lesson about race, where race wasn't even an issue. >> where is the teachable moment and lesson? i don't get it. sean: if anyone acted stupidly here, i would argue that professor gates did. here's a police officer that risked his life to save his property, put his life on the line, and he got yelled at, beaten up and called racist for no reason. and then the president jumps in, not knowing any facts. >> right. sean: he acted stupidly. >> right, fanning the flames. sean: fanning the flames. >> making it worse.

gates said in his press conference that the president rose above the fray. i think the president jumped right into the fray. i think the president made the situation worse. sean: well, when the president said it's a teachable moment, we've got to lower the volume, and then he went out there today and he was lecturing us again. we've got to lower the hyperbole and people ginning up anger. he ginned up the anger. >> right. he made it go national, international, global. now everyone is talking about the beer summit. it comes off as some goofy, goofy "saturday night live" skit that wasn't very funny. it was awkward. and last minute they let joe biden come. hey, go get joe a brew. it was very strange. sean: why couldn't the president from the very beginning, once he realized, uh-oh, i stepped in it here, why didn't he do the smart thing? you know what, i am i want to apologize to the people in the case, to the police. i didn't know the facts, i spoke too early. and ends it. this has now gone on for two weeks. >> i love that they're looking

fo this beer summit to put an end to it. well, it didn't really have to be a national story to begin with. this was a local incident. it could have been covered for two days. instead, the president chose, during a primetime address, to make it an issue of race and national importance. >> in the political how-to for dummies, it's like page one -- don't turn a one-day story into a two-page, three-page, and flush it out. sean: there's a broader question. what does this tell us about president obama, that he would rush into this case, make an assumption about police? because i read into this something that i've said for a long time. >> which is? sean: sean hannity believes the president is more rad -- radical and extreme than he wants to admit. i think his radical associations prove this. do you see that this shows anything about obama that most people won't say? >> oh, yes, and i wrote about this in "politico" this week. the chicago way is alive and well in the white house. he gets up, stands up for his

buddy, threw the cops under the bus, makes a racial issue out of a non-issue, a miscommunication at worst. it wasn't very dignified. sean: does the president, in your view, have any issues about race? >> oh, i think he does, but i think he also wants to be a popular president. i don't think he wants to get into too much trouble. so i think he thought he was saying something kind of insignificant. sean: do you think he has issues with race? >> what disturbs me is this statement and the way he conducted himself. it really suggests that he does. how do you really turn it any other way but seeing it in that situation? why would he jump -- make a rush to judgment, make that statement about this individual, not knowing his character, not knowing his background? in fact, this is an individual who has been commended in the area of race relations, not someone with a history of any problems. sean: this is the thing. this is the officer that was responsible for talking about issues of diversity in the community. >> right. sean: when reggie lewis -- is a big celtics fan. when they had larry bird, parish, mchale and danny ainge and d.j., you know, reggie

lewis was an up-and-coming star, and his tragic death -- he was there trying to revive him and save his life. >> so that's the problem. it's a really unfortunate choice in terms of how this enter down, that the president ended up making these comments about this particular officer. so that's why i'm saying it just begs the question -- where's the teachable moment or the lesson here? >> that's the teachable moment. i think the president needs to realize he's in an incredibly influential position and he should think before he speaks. >> well, now we know he's human and makes mistakes. >> i think we knew that already. sean: well, his poll numbers have been going down. he lost, really, his push to get health care before the politicians go on recess, the house and senate go on recess. so the question is what part did this play in his declining numbers? >> well, i think that this did not help. if you look at the poll numbers on this, the majority of the people, 47%, were dissatisfied with the way he handled this particular situation. about 30% or so thought perhaps

he did an ok job with it. but that's not very good. because he's not getting a push moment that's showing he is propelling his political capital forward. he hasn't been able to be effective with health care. this didn't work out. what does he have to hold on to, to say i'm effective and i get things done? >> these are silly distractions. these are the kind of things that ad execs do. and this presidency is very much the ad man mentality. heavy on gloss, light on substance. i have beer summits in my apartment almost every night. what's the big deal? >> can we come? >> having one tomorrow night. a big beer summit. >> i'll bring peanuts. sean: great american beer. we should trademark this. no drinking on the set. >> kimberly, thank you you. sean: let not your heart be troubled. we'll go to the "great american panel" and rudy giuliani coming up straight ahead. ♪ sweet home alabama ♪

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♪ sweet home alabama ♪ sean: she is the political consultant and columnist for the "sun-sentinel" republican strategist, noel is here. he's the executive of greenpeace. phil radford. he is the founding member of blackfoot, lead guitarist for one of the best southern rock bands of all time, learned skin ard. >> i'm wonderful, sean hannity, you're a great american. sean: thank you. i'm so glad you're here. did you ever have a beer summit? >> listen, lynyrd skynyrd, you want to talk about a beer summit? we have them every night when we're playing. we've got 23,000 people, that's a beer summit.

if you want to come to one, come to ours. sean: that's a beer summit. let's start on a serious note here. why did the president of the united states, admitting he doesn't know the fact, trash a brave police officer and police officers who, when they go on a call, they don't know what they're facing. he didn't know what happened in this case. and he said they acted stupidly. now, how stupid is that? >> well, i think beer summit, the initials are b.s. i think that sums it up. i think we should talk about the real issues. sean: stop, stop, stop. why did the president of the united states attack police officers? >> i think he made a mistake, and i think everybody makes mistakes. sean: why doesn't he admit it? >> i think he's showing us his true colors, everybody. i think he's showing us what this really is. this was nothing but a brouhaha, and this is nothing but a diversion from this president's unpopularity and the health care reform that is struggling currently. >> well, i'll tell you one thing. down in fort myers, florida, where i'm from, i have a good

friend, sheriff mike scott down there. i ride around with mike and i do calls with him and do ride-alongs and stuff. when you go into a situation, how does a policeman know who's breaking into a house? sean: they don't. >> you don't know that a policeman -- you don't know if it's somebody, one of your neighbors breaking in or somebody from down the street or from across town. you don't know. you're going into a situation that could be dangerous. you don't know that. sean: it often is. >> right, and all of a sudden, all i'm thinking is for the fact is, when you're in that situation, that guy had no idea who was breaking into that house. that's it. sean: why don't liberals get this? why is it that the president wouldn't give the police the benefit of the doubt? why wouldn't he wait for the facts? now he's been able to successfully -- well, this is a teachable moment, ladies and gentlemen. we've got to lower the volume. and i'm like, you raised it. >> i care about issues -- sean: oh, grease peace, you're a right -- greenpeace, you're a real right wing nut job. >> well, i think he made a mistake. sean: why can't you liberals

admit you're a liberal? you're green peast. >> they work that issues that everybody cares about, clean water, clean air. sean: are you liberal? >> i would say i'm progressive. sean: let me translate -- liberal. >> but we care about things that all of us care about, especially like beer summits and rock concerts. >> i know you don't care about that. i guarantee that. [laughter] sean: noelle? >> i think he lost a lot of support from the police force. think about law enforcement that is watching this. he's saying that they acted stupidly. you should never, as president of the united states, ever call out a group like that, ever, without knowing the facts. sean: let's look at this this way -- a lot was discussed about the issue of race prior to this election. has america grown and overcome its past wrongs and injustices, and will america electric an african-american president? we now know the answer to that

question, which i think is a good thing for the country. but now the question is he was supposed to be post-racial. now are people going to look a little bit more closely at this case? are they going to look at the 20 years in wright's church? are they going to look at his -- >> he couldn't resist it. he couldn't resist it. that's why he jumped in it and not knowing all the facts. he couldn't resist coming out of it. sean: because that's who he really is? in you can't sit in someone's church for all those years and not have any recollection of anything. i can't believe it. sean: a guy that doesn't have a fond view of america? >> absolutely. sean: who has racist views? >> i agree with you. i think this is a distraction. what i agree with you about is that this is a distraction from the real issues. sean: you really don't want to talk about this, do you? >> i think it's silly when we have big issues. sean: the president of the united states attacking police officers and making a racial issue in this country is not important to you? >> well, i think it's a small

screw-up. sean: if it's a small screw-up, why didn't he apologize? >> i can't speak for the president. i think perhaps he should have said i did the wrong thing. sean: it's a screw-up to do it and it's a screw-up not to apologize. >> he should have moved on to the real issues, i agree. >> i definitely think that there is an apology that should come from this. i saw that today, that this beer summit -- i mean, our people that come to the shows, they never apologize for their beer summit at all, you know what i mean? but i really think that there's a serious issue here and that there should be apologies here. the police officer was doing his job. i understand there's good and bad in everything. i understand that. we all do. but in this case right here, there should be an apology to the guy. sean: we have a lot of radical professors on college campuses, and it seems to me -- well, we've got ward churchill, bill heirs still teaches.

this professor has radical views if you look at his past statements. >> i couldn't comment on him, to be honest. i haven't reviewed his statements. sean: he praised malcolm x as saying white people are the devil and he laughs bit. does that bother you? teaching at a college campus with those views? >> i haven't looked into what he says. sean: we'll take a break. we'll have more with our "great american panel." plus, we're also going to check in with joe gibbs, he'll join us. and rudy giuliani will check in with us tonight as well straight ahead. ♪ what's your name little girl what's nur name ♪ gecko vo: you see, it's not just telling people geico could save 'em hundreds on car insurance. it's actually doing it. gecko vo: businessmen say "hard work equals success."

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♪ you can let go sean: and we continue now with our "great american panel." you want nationalized health care? you want the government running your health care? >> no, i do not. sean: do you want the government option? >> you know, i just think it's another example of the president not stepping up and leading and letting congress do what they won't. i don't have an opinion on health care, neither does greenpeace. sean: why are you here? you have no opinion on anything, right? you don't have an opinion. you, for example -- we know social security and medicare is going broke. do you have confidence the government can run health care?

>> to be honest, we have no position on it at greenpeace. i don't have a firm position. sean: don't you have a thought of your own? forget about greenpeace. do you speak for yourself? >> really, no, no. sean: okay. noelle? >> oh, my gosh. in this health care debacle, if this thing passes the way that obama wants it to, we're going to have immediately higher taxes, even higher unemployment. and the stock market is going to take a tumble down. and in this economy, that is not a remedy for this recession at all. bad. >> i'll give you something real personal, on a personal note for myself and i'll say this. this is kind of common knowledge with fans that delve into our history and stuff. i have one lung, i operate off of one lung. i have a respiratory illness. it's a low grade form of cystic fibrosis. i've had it since i was a small child. i don't want -- i like the doctors that i have right now. they know how to treat me. they kept me alive all these years. they're still keeping me alive

even through all this rock 'n' roll stuff, right? the deal is i don't want anybody telling me what treatment i can get, when i can get it, who i'm going to get it from and giving me maybe a low form of that treatment, even if i get it. so for me, i look at it this way -- i still think this is a country of freedom. you've got freedom of choice. you should have the freedom of choice instead of somebody telling you what you're going to get and when you're going to get it. and furthermore, you know what? if this happens, i agree with her -- taxes are going to go sky-high and we're going to be paying for it. and there you go. sean: and on top of it, then we get all the things that happen in the single payer system in canada, and we have rationed care. the end of life counseling. i don't want somebody at the end of my life from some beaurocrat counseling me about whether or not i need antibiotics. >> and, sean, did you say that barney frank had actually said something that he was for the canadian single pay, which he

thought that eventually the public pay would eventually lead to the canadian style, which is really bad? and barney frank likes that. sean: this is what they want. they want government-run health care. they want control of everything. if we're going to take over car companies and financial institutions and banks and dictate c.e.o. pay, isn't this one of the reasons obama's numbers keep going down? because the american people are not that radical left. >> well, there's actually really good focus group today in towson, maryland, and they said change is too fast, and number two, obama's backbone is plastic. so what people are saying is he's not stepping up and leading and fighting for the things he cares about, whether it's global warming or energy. sean: you want him to be more liberal. >> president bush picked something he cared about, he led and fought and changed this country. i might not have agreed with it, but -- sean: now see now you're engaging. i like this. welcome aboard. >> thank you. sean: i think you're making a good point. i think he's handing all his

decision-making over to nancy pelosi. >> he's puntsing, right. if he were a basketball player he'd say, coach, leave me on the bench. sean: so you think he's given up too much control to the progressives. >> i think people wanted a leader. i think people voted for a leader. sean: and he's not a leader? >> i think he hasn't shown that. >> he's leading us down the path of socialism many. if you call that a leader, have at it. >> people are giving up their own personal freedoms and controls. sean: one of the greatest anthem songs of all-time. >> which one? sean: "sweet home alabama." >> how about "free bird?" sean: i like them both.

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elements of the democratic party and that has some speculating that this deal may actually cost the democrats votes. so now with a vote not likely to occur until september or even october, is there hope for health care reform? joining us now, the former mayor of new york city, potential governor of new york, rudy giuliani. i can always hope, right? >> i hope there's no hope for the health care plan this year. sean: i'm talking about you for governor. >> we can hope next year. but this would be irreversible. so far the damage that the obama administration has done to our economy is very, very serious. i think more than any president has done ever in a short period of time. but most of it's reversible. it's about spening money, it's about deficits, it's about ultimately inflation. this would be almost irreversible. you put anywhere from 20 million to 50 million on government cooperative nationalized health care, it's going to be very hard to get

them off. medicaid has never been able to be reformed. medicaid got started. costs are out of control. when i was mayor, new york city pays 25% of the medicaid bill. i think at that time it was $2.5 billion and rising. very, very hard to control it. so this we have to fight and we have to stop it. sean: it seems that there is this pattern that is just emerging among the democrats, which is they actually think that they can spend their way into prosperity and tax their way into prosperity. >> right. sean: the old cliche, tax and spends -- >> what they miss is we got into trouble because we spent too much. banks and businesses and government spending too much, and people spending too much. people buying homes they couldn't afford, people putting too much on their credit cards. we were in a spend out-of-control mentality, and the obama administration has made all those big spenders look like amateurs. sean: joe biden said we're going bankrupt and we're going to spend more money to get out of bankruptcy.

>> obviously, he have never a bankruptcy lawyer. sean: let me ask but the political side of this. for example, the blue dog democrats seemed like they were going to hold strong. it looks like in my minds they were bought off. >> i saw john mccain tell you that you can't count on the blue dogs. sean: i've been warning everybody that thought, oh, i've won this debate. >> use some other comparison. >> on the radio i call them lap dogs. they had their arms twisted -- >> you know what why? they're essentially not economic conservatives. they're either moderates or liberals in districts that require them to be that way. sean: right. >> so they're doing a show rather than it comes from the heart. sean: so you think that they are creating the appearance that they're more fiscally conservative so they can tell their -- >> anybody that i, i think, an economic moderate, the idea of increasing nationalized health care is a disaster. it's a disaster for the economy, it's a disaster for society. and worst of all, the most important thing we have is our health and it's putting our

health in grave jeopardy sean: look at all the taxes they want to raise now. theyn't what, for example, a plastic surgery tax, which will greatly impact my future. they want a soda tax, an ipod tax, a movie tax, a cigar tax, a cigarette tax. they basically -- if you wake up in the morning, they're probably going to tax that. >> in the case of new york, it's going to drive people out of new york. sean: it already is. >> the so-called syntaxes, tobacco and anything else, there's not an unlimited number you can go to. you actually drive so many people out you raise less money. they did that with the occupancy tax with the democrats before i came into office. they raise i had it so high they were losing $1 billion a year. i helped get it lowered by 1/3 and we started making $100 million more. sean: in the city of new york, a city of 8.5 million people, right? >> right. sean: i read in one of the local papers that 50% of new york city's income tax bill, a

city of eight million people, comes from 42,242 people. >> probably correct. probably correct. in fact, i'm not at all surprised by that, because of the graduated income tax. we already have major distribution of wealth going on in this country. sean: redistribution of wealth. >> from witch to poor. the rich pay -- the so-called rich, we're talking about $250,000 or more in new york city. i know this is hard. but so people understand, these people sometimes are two-earner families and they're really struggling. what he will do is drive away wealth, which is, after all, what produces jobs. obama's plan or the plan in new york, the plan in new jersey, these are plans that will change the nature of our society into a social democracy. sean: but we see things are shifting. the governor of new york is extremely unpopular. the governor of new jersey is extremely unpopular. chris dodd is in terrible trouble in connecticut. rob mcdonald emerging, barbara boxer is in trouble out in

california. do you think with that, coupled with the president's poll numbers, that there is the re-emergence of the republican party? >> not yet. it's happening. i think that the press conference the president had last week, forget the gates comment and all of that, it was one of the worst, because here he was -- he has them down to the 10-yard line, wants to get this health care thing over the top. an what does he do? he giss a press conference and doesn't give any answers. he wants to force congress to vote, but he can't tell you how much it's going to cost, how much it's going to save. he gives you this ridiculous idea that it's going to save monal. how do you cover 40 million or 50 million people and save money? the american people are more intelligent than to buy that. sean: you mentioned the gates issue and this whole beer summit. [laughter] let me ask you this. when you say that i don't have any facts and i don't know anything -- >> stop many i've had plenty of press conferences, you usually

get in trouble on the last question, as he did. and very often he would use "i can't comment on that" to keep my big mouth shut. i thought when the president said that, i thought, wow, that's smart. he's reminding himself, shut up, don't say anything. the minute you say i don't know the facts, you then can't have that extremely strong opinion about something you don't know about, unless it's coming out of your pre-judgment, which is cops are bad. sean: he acted stupidly without knowing. >> telling you he didn't know how they acted, but i'm going to assume the cops act stupidly. the cambridge police act stupidly. sean: would it have been better if he apologized? but instead he says this is a teachable moment, and then he lectures to the rest of society, that we can learn from this. >> it is teachable. here's the lesson. shut up. you shut up. also, shut up when a cop like is asking you questions. how about you don't insult him, you don't yell, you don't scream? my father taught me that when i was very young. i grew up in brooklyn.

it was a good lesson. not a bad lesson. colin powell said essentially the same thing. sean: so did bill cosby. >> keep your mouth shut. be nice to the comes. they have uniforms on. they're doing something i don't do and they put their lives at risk every night. you've got to respect that uniform. sean: i used to have a heavy foot and i got pulled over a few times in my life. and you know what i learned? when you say, yes, officer, no, officer, thank you -- >> it's the best way. sean: it got a lot -- >> it's the best way out of a ticket. and don't ever do this -- well, i wasn't peeding, officer. he knows you were. sean: exactly. >> immediately you're challenging his intelligence. the answer is i'm sorry, even if you know you're right. i'm sober, i didn't mean it, officer, i'll -- i'm sorry, officer, i didn't mean it. i'll never do it again. sean: one officer said to me,

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football and in auto racing. he coached the redskins to three super bowl titles and his nascar team has won multiple championships. his new book "game plan for life" tackles some of the issues many people face, financial problems to addiction and offers advice on how you can overcome them. joining us now is the nfl hall of famer, joe gibbs. coach, it is an honor. >> thank you. sean: is that the ring? >> that's 1991. sean: that was the first one. >> no, that's the last one. sean: can i see that? >> you can have it. [laughter] sean: there's no way he's giving me this ring. but look at the size of this thing. >> i tell people it comes in handy for two things, a fistfight or if you're trying to get upgraded to first class. do there happen to be any seats? sean: you just hold it up there? well, well deserved. >> i want to tell you something. when you fired that ball at the end of the segment, i think you have a chance. sean: really, football? >> i think you have a chance. i wouldn't want my job to depend on you.

sean: but my shoulder is bad. i used to have a pretty good slingshot arm. i used to be a pitcher in baseball. you know, look, first of all, i'm a fan of yours. i love the fact that you put your faith, you put your values, it is the guiding part in your life, it has led you to success -- not just success, but you've had to overcome difficulties and failures. but this is what life's about. >> it really is. and, sean, the more i thought about life, to me, really, i guess because of my physical education background, that's ball room dancing and handball, not real sharp. but to me, life is a game. you and i are the players, and we're playing the biggest game of all. and to me, you know, he has left us with a game plan. when i was with the redskins, one of the most important jobs i had was craft a game plan. i think god's crafted a game plan. he's left it in his word and it's my prayer, it really is. that we're going to have a revival in america and it's going to be a return to his

word and the truth that's in his bible. sean: did you share that with your players over the years? >> i guess i never asked anybody before i hired them, the coaches or players, you know, what your faith was or anything. i lived my life, and we talked a lot about principles. i didn't preach to them, you know. sean: but tony dungy would not curse in front of the players. and he had a pretty high standard. and you had a high standard as well. >> love tony. he did the foreward for the book, and we share some things there. but if you're a coach, you're in those meetings. everything is so intense. guys pretty much get a measure of you and you get a measure of them. sean: you said the hardest and the best lessons you've had in life you've actually had from your failures, not necessarily all the super bowl championships. >> when you play the game of life, my problem was i veered away from that playbook, and i think that's part of my testimony through the book. where i've made mistakes -- and

i've made some big ones. i had a financial real mess in 1982, pat and i did, and the time we're going through it, we said this is the worst thing that ever happened to us. now i look back on it as one of the best times, because i learned the most. i actually sat down and i made a list of the things i learned from that financial mess. number one on the list, listen to your wife. but that's the great thing about it. sean: i don't know a single person who didn't lose 20%, 30%, 50% of their income because -- well, brohm's destroying the economy. sorry, barak. but in all seriousness, a lot of people now are battling with financial problems that they never had before. >> that's one of the key chapters in the book. what we did is we did a research in america. what america says the important topics we need to have victory and to live a modern-day, successful life. they're in there, i think. there's 11 of them.

that's what the research came back. finances was high on the list. and as a part of that, ron blue lays out basic principles in there. where i got in trouble is the times that i veered away from those godly principles. sean: give me some examples that you share. >> that i share -- sean: in your personal life where you've gotten away. >> first of all, financial issues for me. a 4 1/2-year mess that, really, i needed to have that. i have needed to be straightened out in a lot of ways with finances. god knew we were going to struggle with finances. he mentions it over 2,000 times in his bible. i also had a vocational struggle for me in coaching. i kind of go through a lot of experiences in there that happened to me. i thought pretty much i was never going to get a chance to be a head coach. i was striving so hard for that and it pretty much passed me by. and then i had a health issue struggle, pat and i both have. so i share all those in the book, because that's what i can talk on. i'm the average joe. sean: and you go into sin,

addiction, relationships. you're giving significant life lessons here. >> yeah. and it's the scholars that we picked that's doing it. not me. each one of them wrote a chapter. there's 11 scholars, reaped alcorn, to kevin, those are the guys that wrote what god has to say about those. they're scholars that spent their life studying was god has said about those principles. and so my life story is really one of the average joe climbing through life, and i lay that out and kind of weed that through in the introduction of the different chapters. sean: how do you feel about the political world? >> i've got to tell you the truth. i think because i was in washington, i'm a -- i love listening to all the different shows, all the concepts that are going on. you know what i love, sean? in those discussions, when we're discussing those different topics that are so critical in america, you know what i'd love to hear? i'd love to hear somebody stands up and say i wonder what god thinks about this. to me, that's what i want to

know. i want to know in his word -- and that's all i want to do is point people toward his words. this is a relevant game plan for life. i want to know what god thinks about those principles. sean: you said one of the things is every single human being is created by god. we have as our founding document, we're endowed by our creator, but we forget that time. you can't even say it in a public school today. so it really is a matter of, as rick warren would say, what is your purpose in life? "purpose driven life." >> and there is truth. when i veered away from those principles, i'm a perfect example of somebody who got in real adversity. what i hope, though, for the young people in america and for all of us in america, i would hope that they will return to his principles, just like you talked about, that were laid out when our country was first created. sean: so he's the head coach in reality. >> he is the head coach, and he knows, he knows. he's got a bunch of them.

sean: coach, it's a great honor. >> thank you. sean: a great book, and we appreciate you being here. >> i appreciate you having me on. sean: we continue with conspiracy month and we send our own ainsley earhardt to uncover i

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>> haunting in the afterlife is not always like what you see on tv. tombstone, arizona. famous for doc holliday, why it perp, gunfights, gambling, and saloons. this might be the last place you look for paranormal activity. residents who live here believe that the spirits still haunt

this wild west town. ihit the paranormal society came to tucson tombstone to investigate. tell us where we are. >> we are in the bird cage theater in tombstone, ariz., which originally was a saloon and dance hall and a theater. it also was a brothel at one time. evaporated -- it operated 24 hours per day. >> the walls. this was once a rowdy place to visit, sometimes even deadly. >> there were 16 recorded knife fights in this building. 26 men and one woman were killed in this building that were reported. there were probably more. they were also very wild because they left a total of several

hundred blow holes behind. -- several hundred bullet holes behind. >> what type of paranormal activity declined to experience in this building? >> you have audio, you have the visual. audio, occasionally you have visible. >> for the most part, taurus and workers report pleasant in counters with the paranormal. there was one experience that to the owner would like to forget. >> 35 years ago, we held a seance. during this seance, someone started strangling me and everyone experienced it. y>> whau

investigate? >> we controlled experiments where we collect data. we are standing at the front entrance of the bird cage. these are some of the people with the paranormal society. there are 12 investigators to of all volunteered. they have set of these cameras. we're hoping to see some paranormal activity. >> is there anyone here who wants to communicate with us? does that make you uncomfortable? >> starting to believe there is no one here. >> several hours pass with

little activity. then, a sign. after hearing the static, we want to find the source. about four minutes ago we were in the stage area and we heard the speaker of above me, we heard things through the speaker. it is not hooked up any wires? >> there is no power to that speaker. >> that was not the only clue that paranormal forces are at work. it one of the infrared cameras captured this. the strange part? no fathers were in the room. our investigation of the bird cage theater was complete, but we were not finished searching for paranormal activities. the next night, we went to this

saloon to see if unexplained sources were at work here. >> back in 1879, 1880, this was a grand hotel. i personally have experienced bottles of fallen off the shelf. i will not put a name or title to it. i am not sure. i'm not willing to say it is spirits or what have you, but it is not explainable. >> banging doors, footsteps, whispering. >> the radio turns on at night. when we are going to lock up, all this other radius starts glaring. >> after the patrons have had their fill, the goes conner sent up their cameras and start the next investigation. -- the ghost hunters set up their cameras and start their own investigation.

immediately, unexplained activities occur after the investigators started calling on one of the spirits named charlie. tell us what happened. >> as soon as i started sang charlie's name, started getting a reading. charlie, if that was you, could you touch my hand? somebody grabbed my hand. >> ok, somebody just pulled my ribbon. >> hoping to find some more paranormal forces at work, we moved on the ground. >> we are underneath the bar area, and this is an old mine shaft. a lot of people who work here say if you take pictures of this bed, you will see activity. >> does it just exist or is it just made up? there may never be a definite answer. it to those who