the investigation will continue. sean: that is all the time we have left for this evening. we toss it now to "on the record. [captioning made possible by fox news channel] greta: the b-3 summit finally happened. just a short time ago on the white house lawn, president obama with the vice-president by then it joining him sat down with henry gates and the man who can't. they handcuffed him, sergeant crowley. how was the summit? >> good evening. first, i like to thank the police officers from cambridge, my home town, and massachusetts and across the country for year- old woman support me in my

family through this difficult time. it one of the challenges was to make clear to people across america what a difficult and challenging job police officers face every day. we had a cordial and productive discussion today with the president, vice president, and professor gates. we have all agreed it is important look forward, not backwards. president and professor gates. we agreed that it is important to look forward. issues important both of us will form the basis for discussions between professor gates and myself. we bring different perspectives to these issues and we agree that both should be addressed in an effort to provide a constructive outcome to the events that passed. thank you. >> we have with us the president of the cambridge police association.

>> [inaudible] >> no. >> [inaudible] >> what was accomplished was that this was a positive step in moving forward. we were using this as a basis to move forward. >> when you talk about the discussions, will you be meeting on a negative basis? >> yes. >> we havwe have already planned a meeting. the professor and i will have a phone conversation to lay the groundwork for that meeting that has already been discussed.

>> [inaudible] >> no. the venue is much too small to support all of us. >> [inaudible] >> the meeting at a bar for a beer will send a wrong message. we do have a venue in mind but that is up for discussion. >> what kind of thing would you like to discuss? >> i would like not only to discuss but i would like to listen to the perspective of professor gates. think that he has a willingness to listen to my perspective as a police officer. >>he is quite receptive to the difficult job that we have.

>> [inaudible] >> we agreed to move forward. what you had two gentlemen to agree to disagree on a particular issue. i don't spend that we spent too much time fallen on the past, we talk about the future. -- fadwelling on the past. >> [inaudible] >> the professor and i encountered each other on individual tours of the white house. the professor introduced himself and his family. it was very cordial. >> [inaudible] >> it was a private discussion,

a frank discussion. i would rather not go into the specifics. >> it is the president to make any contributions? >> he provided the beer. he really wanted to bring people to try to solve a local issue but what has become a national issue. >> did you learn anything? >> i learned that the media can fine-tune a matter where you live. they did a good job of doing this. -- i learned that the media can find you wherever you live. >> [inaudible]

>> the vice president is a great man, he was very nice with the children as well. we did share a few stories that were unrelated to the top topic at hand. the conversation is private, we will honor this agreement. >> [inaudible] >> i am not sure this is really happening. i am not caught up with this. i will need to catch up with what has happened. >> we want to thank everyone. >> [inaudible] >> i did not.

>> [inaudible] >> another sergeant has his opinion and those are his opinions. i knew in the days before he came out in support of my position that he was going to be putting himself in a position of ridicule. his statement, it speaks for itself. >> [inaudible] >> of the men and women of the two associations have been tremendous. they have helped provide protection for my family. i've got a phone calls, e-mails, letters, things from the men and women of the police department. this has brought us closer together. i would not want to leave out

the incredible work that the police apart and has done in insuring the safety of my family. they have been brought with the media -- barraged with the media. >> what did you think a professor gates? >> he is a very interesting man. he is a regular person sitting around a table discussing the issue. he was very cordial. >> was there any attention? >> there was no tension. we were discussing this like two gentlemen instead of fighting it out in the physical sense or in the mental centsense. >> [inaudible] >> no.

greta: professor gates said -- greta: professor gates said -- greta: the meeting is over but are the american people turned

off by the way that the president handled this controversy? 41% of those polled disagreed with the handling, 29% approve, the rest do not know. we are joined live by dick morris. on what to do you think about those numbers and the way people are responding to this? >> well, i agree with them. i agree based on what i've heard that professor gates is a brilliant person with a fine academic record. sgt crowley is a great police officer who performed admirably. the problem that i have is with the president. this guy who has his finger on the button and he can destroy the world simply by pushing a button or flipping a switch, needs to tell the american people about his conduct. how come he went on a national

press conference knowing nothing about the facts and he immediately jumped to the conclusion that the cops behave stupidly? that is a rush to judgment and i think he is the one hinnies to apologize -- he is the one who needs to apologize. greta: i want to know if this is down racial lines, african- americans or a combination. that would be my first question. >> i am sure it was a full national sample. greta: in terms of the actual question of how he handled it, one is that his statement at the press conference and the second is having made that statement, are they looking at what he said or having beers? at the press conference, i don't know this is 100%.

how he handled it and tried to bring it together, that is a different question. >> you have to put this into perspective. what he tried to do is to deflect blame for himself so that people would not look at his outrageous conduct and instead they would look at whether the professor and the police officer could get back together again. that is fine but neither of them are elected to run the country. the guy that is elected to run the country needs to tell us why in the space of one hour he said that doctors are thieves, he said that police acted stupidly while first confessing he did not know any of the facts. the first thing was to deflect attention away from his misdeeds. greta: what do these numbers

mean? i assume that part are reflected by the ongoing controversy about health care reform. are these in any way instructive? question number i think you're talking about is his job approval -- >> the number i think you are talking about is his job approval. until his job approval sank to 52, gallup and fox have the fire but that is because they pulled all voters -- poll all voters. when he gets 49% approval, that means that three points of his vote have run out on him and that is the difference between winning and losing. you bet it is significant. -- seeingreta: presidents

tend to come in with great fanfare and great numbers, what is your prediction on this? >> when you compare them to the 12 postwar presidents numbers, the lowest of the 12 western affor12 was gerald ford. the second lowest was bill clinton. the third lowest this barack obama. -- the lowest of the 12 was gerald ford. as to whether this is the beginning of a trend, the important thing that is hurting his ratings is health care. obama has always been more popular than his programs are. now that he is using his popularity to sell its programs, he is bringing his job approval down. that is the conundrum that he is

then under the more he talks about health care, the more he undermines his approval ratings that is central to passing the bill. rgreta: health care is one issue, the sesecond is that if this does not pass, three years from now, no one will remember it or will this be a serious blow? >> if he does not pass it, this is the turning point, the point at which she stars to go down. i don't know if you will ever win anything again if he fails to get this passed. the important point about this health care debate is that the elderly in particular are beginning to learn what we wrote about in our book that this program would deny them needed medical care. i have an example of that today. my uncle is battling colon

cancer. he has made a decent recovery because he is on a drug. this drug costs $50,000 a year and they are not allowed to use it in britain or canada. my uncle would be dead today if the same scarcity induced socialize rationing that is induced in britain and canada would be introduced here. they would not pay this much to keep a 78-year-old alive. when obama talks about cutting the cost of health care, it is decisions like that he is talking about. greta: does it make such a big difference that this did not get pushed before the recess, all of these members of congress will go back to their districts, does this hurt his agenda? >> yes, you bet it does.

the reason he wanted to pass it was so that he could put it through while his approval ratings were high. when you get into september, he will find himself in the mid 40's, not in the high 40's. the more that drops, the worst shape he is in. theok congressmaen will go home. if it was ever important for the elderly to make their decision about this, and now is the time. the question is whether they have access to quality care or not because it cannot cover 50 millie knew people without cutting back on existing coverage. if yo-- cover 50 million people without cutting back on existing coverage. greta: up next, a giant step forward for a p.r. stunt -- for

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greta: it happened, the beer summit. here they are sitting around a table in the yard drinking some beers. was this a giant step towards healing racial wounds or an effort for the president to get the egg off of his face. ted williams joins us. the statement has been released by professor gates. this is what i'm not sure he gets. he says "this is a time now for us to talk about genuine fears of racial profiling." was there any racial profiling in this? >> it might be subject of what he thinks but if you look at this objectively, this is not a

case of racial profiling. i grew up in the south. i know what it is to be a young kid going into a white neighborhood in my old car and being stop to this because i am in the neighborhood. that is a form of racial profiling. what happened here is not racial profiling at all, absolutely not. greta: let's look at some hypothetical sprint do. suppose that the officer responded and some burglar was in the house. the burglar answered the door and then the officer left and left behind and something horrible happened. >> the officer was damned if he did and did not. if a burglar was in the house, the officer came, okay, it is

your house, i am leaving. then prof. gates could have come home and say because i am a black man, you did not do an adequate investigation. on that circumstance, anything could have happened. there is something called common sense. common sense dictates that you let the cops look around and if there's nothing there, the police will leave and that is the end of the story. this thing was blown out of proportion. let's be candid. what amplified it, president obama should not have got involved in this. this summit at the white house, give me a break. greta: he was asked to the question, his egregious mistake in my mind was to say i don't have the information and any pick sides.

he did not gegive the officer the benefit of the doubt. >> there's some black person in america right now who is being profiled racially. he is not going to have the opportunity to have a summit. greta: after the president consulted the police force and said they acted stupidly, don't you think that the president should apologize? >> yes. greta: he should have said that he was wrong, and i am sorry. >> why bring his people to washington for a show? they could have had this same summit, they could have done this. greta: president obama is the

one who took sides. >> if you want to do that, fine. make the representation that you were wrong about what you did but you did not have to go this far. nothing came from the summit. greta: i say damned if you do, damned if you don't 4 president obama. if he had not done anything, we would have said something. >> he could have said that he made a mistake. to bring these guys to washington -- greta: when i made a mistake i will say that i miss calibrated. >> good luck. greta: up next. news that could lead to more government programs and even the second part of the stimulus.

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you turned in your vehicle for a new more fuel-efficient ficklthe vehicvehicle. it went into effect a little bit less than a week ago and already we understand that officials at the white house and in michigan are working on an resolution to what appears to be a running out of the funds. the white house says that this has been very successful. congressman upton confirms that initially the program was a perforated about far billio4 bi. they did this in germany, the upper prettify billion dollars,

84 million people live there. vehicle sales are up 40% in the past three months. the good news here is that people are taking advantage of this. -- they did this in germany, they appropriated $50 billion. we heard today that certain dealers could not even get into the system that they are using to participate in the program. we will see what the announcements look like. greta: is the message that this is a good program and we did not run it right? is that the message? >> i think it is a great idea. >>what it shows you is they did not estimate how great a demand would be. it turns out to an average of 12

vehicles per dealer could be sold. i don't think they anticipated it would get this kind of activity so quickly. greta: if you say they did not accurately estimate demand, that means that they really did not know what they were doing. when you talk about the tens of billions of dollars to bail out gm, why should i think that they know how to run gm if they cannot run this program? >> you are absolutely right. it is a cause for concern but it it is a good sign that the consumer is out there and can get access to credit. they suggest that they want to be out a year from now and they will not run the company. they have a board and the executive management team to do so. the jury is out on what will happen but clearly they misfired

on their expectations and we will see whether or not the other 3 billion gets signed off by tomorrow morning or what they do. it was supposed to be in effect until november 1st. greta: i will be jobless numbers on my website. i have to go. thank you. up next, did you hear about the party in this video? guess what, you pay for it. you were not invited. you can hear what these people were supposed to be doing instead of relaxing on onineyour dime. you thought this summit was woohoo! remember when your friend kelly said she liked your hair color? she lied. okay-- one tone hair color totally washing you out. let's get your right color. nice 'n easy

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the man is charged with first- degree murder in the slang of chandra levy, a former federal intern. her body was found in rock creek park. now we go back to "on the record." for all the headlines, go to foxnews.com. . greta: look at this video, it looks fun, doesn't it? what if we told you that they are teachers who are supposed to be working at a conference proved gas to pay for it -- who are supposed to be working at a conference? the guests who paid for guess w? you did.

>> this was supposed to be for a career in technology education teachers. they're supposed to be learning critical skills to bring back to the classroom to pass on to high school students so those students can come out of high school and land good paying jobs as of mechanics, technicians, so forth. greta: you went to this conference, did you find people getting training? >> absolutely. there were a lot of teachers that attended the conference, many were in the seminars and paying attention. however, we take a look down at the pool and there are literally dozens of teachers down there. we are talking for about the entire day. sitting in the pool, hanging around with friends, drinking beer. this was all paid for by the taxpayers. the department of education is quick to point out that in their

statement, "the major cost for this conference was borne by private industry." we spoke with vendors, they said they had nothing to do with this. they supplied audiovisual equipment, some hallway buffets with coffee. the taxpayers that spent tens of thousands of dollars sending these teachers to a conference where they're supposed to be learning skills to pass on to students in the classroom. what does this say to the taxpayer? we see them at the pool. we see them watching the british open on television while classes are in session. our state is broke, so broke that they're considering selling the buildings that the house spent legislature our house then. -- are housed in.

greta: did you talk to any of them? >> yes, we approached them left and right. we asked if the district paid. we spoke with one teacher for 15 minutes. she laughed and giggled about how she paid additional money to go to a certain class but didn't go. that is a tough pill to swallow for lawmakers. we are having to make cuts to education. education is suffering due to budget cuts. to see them at the pull and having a good time and not being in the classes. this is the conference schedule, this is more than 30 pages long. there are classes every hour. the question is, could they have found a class to go into rather than going to the pool?

greta: that story that you brought us before was stunning but you have done it again. thinking. -- thank you. do you want your tax dollars paying for porn? $80 million in stimulus funds were given to the national endowment for the arts. it was supposed to be spread around to different arts groups nationwide but some of the grants went to rather risque places. just for example, the frame line film house that runs pornographic movies. we're joined by a the senior economic adviser for "the the wall street journal." porn? >> we have been talking about

the obscenity over federal spending, this is literally obscene overspending. this is money for things like you said, pornographic or filmhr films. i am not part of that culture. greta: stimulus money goes for new sex dances. >> the whole idea was to create jobs, $80 million, this is absurd. now it is going to projects and that many americans would feel is a moral and they should be outraged that this is the way that their tax dollars are being spent. this is agency that funded the art with a crucifix in the toilet. greta: whose idea was this?

>> this is the arts community. some of the money goes to things like orchestras and symphonies but a good portion is going to this kind of -- greta: i understand orchestras and i love music but this money was for the porn. this is a good place to spend money. >> this was ever hundred thousand dollars. -- several hundred thousand dollars. you will probably get a message from people who say they you are trying to censure people. if you want to have porn movies and things like that, that is fine but they should not pay for it with our tax dollars. we are forced to fund things that many people find highly offensive. >> is to any effort to try to stop this?

is anyone scandalized by this and the government? it is one thing for us to sit and talk about this. >> i did talk to a couple of congress people who just learned about this and they are so effected by that and they could not believe it. how do you justify this? greta: nobody bothered to do any research to where this money was going. we go back to the problem last february when we were talking about this. >> this is a problem, we delegate a lot power to the people at these agencies and they pass up the money and a lot goes to their friends. most members of congress have no idea that this is how the money was getting spent. greta: no one bothered to read the stimulus milkebill. >> we pay these congressmen about $165,000 a year.

for that kind of money, they could read the bill. greta: they need to read it for the house reform. -- health reform. there should be a pop quiz. >> when john conyers says that they cannot understand the bill, then you have a problem. greta: thank you. here it is a look at what's coming up on the o'reilly factor. >>bill: we will analyze the beer fest. greta: next up, president obama, he served beer but will he now have to order up some coffee for

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i better get out of here. hooey. greta: president obama is

probably kicking himself tonight, he probably regrets what he said. d remember when he said this offer? >> i want everyone to know that congress will have time to read the bill and debate this bill. they will have all of august to review the various legislative proposals. when we come back in september, and i will be available to answer any question that members of congress have. if they want to come to the white house and go over line by line what is going on, i will be happy to do that. greta: this congressman wants to take president obama up on that offer. he is a doctor. >> i certainly hope to. we sent a letter to the white house today suggesting that we do just that. i hope he invites me over.

greta: you would really go through this line by line? >> i would do this. greta: how does he say face on this one? >> i am not worried about me or him saving face r whatever, what i want to see happen is that we understand this complicated plan. it is extremely complicated and i spent 41 years in practice. greta: that is why i call it the coffee summit. i have started to go through this, this is not the most exciting read but it is extremely important. i think the two of you are going to need a lot of coffee if you go line by line. i think this is important and i would like to see you bring a bunch of colleagues over. >> this is the most important piece of social legislation since medicare. this will affect us in a very

personal way. having practiced medicine, i believe that health care decisions should be made between patients, their families and a doctor. this particular -- greta: how about insurance companies? question is to be reform. that is something i agree on. -- >> there needs to be reform. that is something i agree on. how much are we going to inject the government into a personal decision made by you and your family? in tennessee, we have a plan back in the 90's are we want to increase access and quality. we got a waiver to this plan. what happened was that the state was spending about $2.5 billion per year on health care. it was up to 1/3 of the state budget. what happened in a public plan, this is where it is complicated. the public option paid less than

60% of the cost of the care and medicare pays about 80% or 9%. -- 90%. greta: i was talking about whether the president would follow through about reading this line by line but it is profoundly important that everyone read this because -- weather a good bill or a bad bill, you should at least read it. it is like taking sides on a police officer professor gave tes thing. are you willing to hold his feet to the fire? >> i absolutely am. i knew that import legislation was coming up. the public plan will end up, i

believe, if you follow the tennessee model, with a single payer system. the only way this works is that they rationed care. greta: you have to at least read the proposal. that is what i am hung up on. i hope that you get a bunch of colleagues on both sides of the aisle. >> i am sure there will be a lot of letters. >greta: i hope that there are. i think he should know what you're going to vote on. i hope the president knows what he is proposing. >> this was too big not to. greta: congressman, good luck. i hope you get a letter back. still ahead, one more quick round before we turn off the lights.

greta: 11:00 is almost here. last call consisted of ice cold beer shared by those involved in the gates controversy. ? >> president obama has his big