because they need the message. we'll have more for you you hof0 years ago today. i'm trace gallagher in for shepard smint who will be in on monday. "the o'reilly factor" is on tonight. >> the insurance companies are out there full force carpet bombing shock and awe against the public option. >> democrats now creating a new villain in the health care reform wars are they starting to crack under the pressure of dropping poll numbers and skeptical public? we have analysis. >> cathy, get off my phone! get off my phone, you little pinhead. ! >> glenn beck unplugged bricking serious passion to the health care debate. he will explain what's got him so hopping mad. >> we have one case after another of these where there is an assumption of racial profiling or racism by cops or by teachers and you have one hoax after another.

laura: ann coal coulter challenges to find one hoax after another. caution you are about to enter the no spin. the factor begins right now. [captioning made possible by fox news channel] captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org-- laura: hi, everyone, i'm laura ingraham reporting tonight for bill o'reilly. thanks for watching us. coming up, there has been a lot of talk recently about teachable moments in the gates-crowley controversy. but, first, the entire health care debate with s. one big learning opportunity for the american people and the politicians who are supposed to be representing us. that's the subject of this evening's talking points memo. when barack obama and the democrats swept into office in november, they did so on this nebulous promise of change and a desire to remake america. republicans were told by the elites on the right and the left, that they were on the verge of becoming a permanent minority party if they didn't

moderate their views and, frankly, become more relevant. the country was moving, you z away from the old ideals of reagan conservatism and so should the g.o.p. well, smart conservatives weren't buying this. they said look, wait and see what this crowd does with the country, then talk to me about moving to the left. well, americans have seen now seven months of far left government in action. what's that mean? massive spending programs, washington's takeover of the auto companies. the perpetual apology tour overseas. dozens of unelected czars with unchecked power and my favorite, cash for clunkers. all of these have been total failures. and now that americans have had time to do what many congressman won't do, actually digest what's in the health care plan, they are in a full, fledged revolt. president obama's numbers are now dropping. and the democrats are scrambling to regain their footing. angry voters weary of

washington-managed health care are now showing up at obama town halls, at political fundraisers, and even senators' offices. yesterday, this is my favorite, a group of senior citizens dissended on dianne feinstein's l.a. office to voice their concerns on health care. her office promptly called the police and had them removed. pesky voters. just as the democrats are starting to fall apart, the last thing the republicans should do is back down by forging a bipartisan consensus that will destroy not only the healthcare system but sink the country further into recession. why should democrats be given political cover for this? the last thing we need is two parties committed to big government. republicans should continue their strategy of standing firm and explaining to americans that big government programs like this new health care monstrosity cannot and do not work. and now for the top story. what exactly is that teachable

moment in all the recent racial banter. joining from us florida with her provocative take as always, ann coulter, author of the big best seller "guilty." ann, i have to say i watched competing cable channel. i had it dvr'd. i watched it last night with sharpton. just the look on his face when you said what racial profiling. i'm sure african-americans across the country is saying what is this woman talking about. explain. >> it's not that it's never happened. i have just been watching, you know, the gusher of cliches on television about this. i mean, clearly there was no racial profiling in this case in boston unless you are talking about professor gates racially profiling an irish cop and assuming he must be a racist. there was some racial profiling that way. you know, i write about this in "guilty" i only give an abbreviated list in "guilty"

although it goes on for pages and pages of all the alleged acts of racism and racial profiling that turn out to be hoaxes. i mean, as far as back in our lifetime as the taiwan case. why would this executor kid mugged this undercover cop. they have witnesses and the autopsy. the exiter honor student on his way to did mug a cop and the grand jury acquitted. one with a black kid carrying a machete, the cop thought it was a gun. again acquitted by the grand jury after historical headlines throughout the "new york times." clermont and white woman. a lot of these times are whites seeking racial reconciliation and they claim they came under attack. the professor to vandalized her own car there are witnesses who saw her doing it.

bring it right up to recently columbia university, the black professor who hung the noose, suspiciously, it seems, that she is probably the one who hung the noose and the case quietly goes away to the duke lacrosse case where, yeah, there was racial profiling. there was athletic profiling of the allegedly rich young frat boys. i'm just saying, you know, before -- every time one of these comes up, you have liberals saying ok it wasn't true in this case but we still have an epidemic of racial profiling. well, they got to start having their cases not turn out to be hoaxes before they can say that. what we seem to have a rash epidemic of -- laura: what about the aclu lawsuit against maryland state police? the aclu sued and there was a settlement. an out-of-court settlement essentially an admission on the part of maryland that they do stop african-american drivers in some type of pattern that i guess some people believe is profiling. >> right.

what they compare it too is percentage of blacks in the population. which if you think about it is obviously absurd. just to take one example in another category, shootings in an article by heather mcdonald this week. she releases statistic. 80% of the shootings in new york city, the shooter is black. less than 1% is the shooter white. that's what more whites and blacks in new york city. so cops are looking for if there has been a shooting witnesses it turns out suspects the staple thing will w. these highway. i don't think blacks are slowing their cars down when they get to new jersey to maryland where they did the same thing. they compared the black numbers in the population to the number of blacks speeding. finally, the highway patrol got so fed up with being called racist and by everyone, especially the clinton administration, they encouraged the attorney general of new

jersey to conduct a scientific survey of this. so what the scientific survey did, rather than just comparing numbers in the population, they set up a camera. and they clocked cars, photos of the drivers as they are going by and what the speed was. they had one group of people determine what the race of the driver was. they -- without knowing what the speed was. and it turns out if anything, the new jersey highway patrol was stopping not enough blacks. blacks speed more. now, you know, it could be because blacks tend to be a younger demographic and you get younger people who speed more. but the point is it wasn't racial profiling. >> and it's so explosive even to have this conversation because once you start having this conversation, people, you know, people from all walks of life start to say oh, you can't believe. this you can't really belief what you are saying because my black friends say they have been stopped and they have been stopped unfairly. there is a perception issue even if it's not grounded i think what you are saying in the

reality to what the cases are. can i ask you about the crowley issue yesterday the big beer summit and so forth. he didn't get apology from either gates. apparently gates won an apology from officer crowley. gates didn't give it, crowley didn't give it and obama didn't give it so what was the teachable moment quickly? >> i think the teachable moment should be applied to the cop who did send an email in intemp pratt moment exploding at journalist. he turns out to be the emanuel goldstein for the week. liberals are bit lerly disappointed that sergeant crowley they couldn't find anything on him suggesting is he a racist. one cop who sends a stupid, maim tour initem pratt email. is he apologizing all over the place. how about fairness for this guy doing something immature and rational, too. laura: ann, thanks a lot. good to see you. directly ahead, nancy pelosi finds somebody new to blame. can you believe that for the health care hold up. wait until you hear.

this and then brand new economic indicators show we may be climbing out of a recession. but we're going to take a no spin l l

laura: for months president obama and democrats have promised to get things done before congress goes on vacation. but that, of course, did not happen. well, naturally somebody has to be blamed. so party leaders are trashing traditional health insurance companies and the media. >> insurance companies are out there in full force, carpet bombing, shock and awe against a public option. >> i don't think we should be crying great big tears about the insurance industry. there is no business in america that makes more money than the insurance industry. i think that you folks have

created the deadlines we haven't. >> at the same time you have got a lot of misinformation coming out of, you know, far right wing radio, talk radio, and other outlets. >> we are going to make sure that health care reform doesn't get swift voted during the month of august. laura: with us now liz chatter don a democratic strategist and byron york. liz, i'm going to start with you. the democrats blot deadline. the deadline that was trumpeted by the white house and democrats on capitol hill. they were crowing about it just months ago. and now it's the evil insurance companies? i mean, are people not employed by insurance companies in the united states? do they not make americans a lot of money as investment vehicles and don't we rely on them? is that demonnization really the right way to go? >> well, actually, i really do think it is the right way to go because it's actually partially true that the insurance companies are waging a huge

reform against this health care package because they like this system exactly the way it is. they employ a lot of people and they make a lot of money. laura: heaven for bid we make money in the united states of america? what is it we are on a war against wealth? >> but, laura, making that much money at the expense of people's lives and well-being. it's one thing to make money at the expense of someone who wants to drive an expensive car, who wants to buy an expensive house. we are talking about whether or not people live or die. laura: you think this is a smart strategy. smart to demonize the insurance companies. >> absolutely. laura: i'm seeing the democratic party come apart at the scenes. i have seen the republican party come apart at the scenes over the last several years but now it's the democrats' turn. it was not our idea, it's media's idea. it's not our fault it's talk radio fault. >> classic technique. they did it with the oil companies every time the price of gas goes up. but their problem right now is people are worried about jobs,

unemployment is not going down. they are worried about it's going up. a majority of people believe the stimulus has not worked. maybe it hasn't had enough time to work but right now they believe it has not worked. and because of that they are more suspicious of big democratic plans. they pushed it through in the dead of night. rush job. now with the august deadline coming up which has now been missed, there was this growing feeling in the public what's the rush? we have always had a salesman tell us we have got to buy something right now. laura: i always make mistakes when i buy something quickly. >> their haste has actually worked against them. laura: liz, who in this health care debate has been effective on the left? who do you look to for, you know, real inspiration and guidance? just tick off a few names. >> that's interesting. i look to president barack obama who i thought delivered a brilliant press conference a couple of weeks ago when he was explaining the intricacies of

this. laura: you thought that was pervasive? why aren't the american people finding it pervasive then? the numbers are falling how do you explain that. >> it's an incredibly difficult issue to explain. laura: that's why he is president. >> absolutely. i thought he did a brilliant job of explaining it do i expect most people to sit through 60 minutes most exciting subject in this country. laura: liz, they don't believe the democrats. >> back down. laura: nbc "wall street journal" are not believing him on the deficit. they are not believing him on taxes and they are not believing that they can keep their own policy. >> he is still -- >> when he is down in the 20's we will talk about that. laura: you are right on the popularity but on the specific questions and byron you wrote about this in the column specific questions, deficit, taxes, managing the economy, the democrats were way up last year and the year before. i mean 22 points up in some of these measures. now, the numbers have inversed,

almost. you know, publics, 7, 8, 9 points up. >> traditionally democrats have always done well on things like health care and social security and republicans have been taxes and national security. but there was this period in the bush years when democrats actually took the lead on fiscal responsibility and taxes and handling the economy. what's happened in the past few months is that has completely disappeared. the republican traditional lead has reasserted itself. the other thing that's really, really worrisome for democrats is their traditional leads in health care and the environment have slipped significantly in the past few months. and if that continues, they could even be even in a few months. laura: lids, if you had to give the democrats advice right now, what would you say to them. >> i would tell them they need to be on a much stronger message how our current healthcare system is broken and that's why we need to go through this reform. that's the one thing that was wrong with the president's press conference. he didn't make enough of the case how the current system is broken. i would like to see him be more

focused on that. shepard: you. laura: do the republicans need a three point we need to do this, this and this to revive the economy. >> right. they need to keep hammering on the internal contradictions of this plan which is you can't insure millions of new people and disaf money. we don't need come prehencive plan. we need to do two things to better. laura: can't eat the whole meal at once. liz and byron great to see you. next on the rundown, comu economic numbers out today have some speculating the worst may be over. the truth police is going to break it down for you. glenn beck let's loose on one of his radio callers. >> you don't care about the trillions of dollars to bail out the banks and all the credit card companies. >> cathy, get off my phone! get off my phone, you little pinhead!)d)d)d)d)d)d)d)d)d)d)d)d

today's g.d.p. is an important sign that the economy is headed in the right direction. and that business investment,

which had been plummeting in the last several months is showing signs of stabilizing. laura: others are not as convinced as president obama. joining us now there new york to sort it all out for us. our fox business anchors dagen mcdowell and cheryl casone. i'm reading your point of view on this on my sheets. you are any buying that we're out of the woods yet. that this shows that the stimulus is working, as some are now trying to spin it as. the president was kind of careful was he not in his words so he wouldn't get himself too far out on a limb? >> he was a little careful but he was taking plenty of credit for certainly better numbers on the economy. the g.d.p. just contracting 1%. but he was talking about all the stimulus that's going to work, which by the way, 70 billion of the 787 billion has been spent, so that's less than 10%. talking about the homeowner's programs to modify and refinance mortgages. only a couple hundred thousands of those modifications have even started.

so before they, you know, print up the t shirts, yeah, us, it's going to be a lot more out of this recession. >> he was good -- i was afraid he was going to do that at one point i'm like please god don't do it. laura: cheryl, i'm reading lindsey's analysis of these numbers. his point is that, you know, don't start this just yet. he point out out the g.d.p. lost as common straighted in the numbers. loss worse than previously thought in the overall recession that the numbers that we're seeing are knows these comforting indicators. >> 2008 was revised down. look when he took office first quarter revised down 6.4%. contraction. the first read on the second imawr tempt two more reads. i will get you money, i'm not going to put a dollar amount on

live television. i will bet you money that you are going to see a revision to the downside on the second quarter. things were not as rosy as they were painting it we talked to a lot of business owners, a lot of small business owners at fox business network. look, we are still struggling very nervous about the cost of health care reform coming forward. still a lot of bumps in the road for american businesses. they are not all good ones either. either. laura: day began, i want to get new this on this. conversations about democrats on capitol hill choosing toville phi yet another business. america is in the business of business insurance companies. i think this anti-business rhetoric itself is a drag on the economy. what's your take on that and the executive compensation issue dove tails into it. >> it does. it certainly is all the talk. negative talk. it certainly hurts confidence and what's going to be critical is getting those businesses to continue spending. more important than that, hiring people. that's going to be the biggest drag is consently high unemployment.

you see employment costs. the smallest gain on record so people are not making that much more money. that's going to be critical but cheryl really touched on what's at play here. it is the uncertainty of the future. you are going to reform health care. you might tax business. laura: small business taxes. >> they do not know there where their taxes are going to be. they are going to dig in their heels and try to survive. 80% of new jobs in recent years have been created by small business. if they're not willing to go out there and hire and spend, then you are going to have an economy that is lackluster for a long time. laura: cheryl, what about the bush tax cuts that are set to sun set. we haven't even talked about that that is also coming down the pike at us. what lindsey's point is and others is that look, there are so many downward polls that are yet to come on this economy that that in and of itself will have a downward pressure on any recovery that could still be in the offing. >> we just found out that the

top 1% of earners are paying 40% of the taxes. that's who you want to go after to pay health care reform. and talk about executive compensation. you brought it up earlier, laura. i want to go back to that that did pass in the house today. basically, you have american government -- in american businesses. >> outrage. >> telling you how to pay your employees and what is right. we are going to socialize health care and socialize business? what is right? are you going to socialize the media? am i going to have the white house tell me how to report next week. laura: that's coming. >> don't say that. laura: who is going to want to start a business in america if cap and trade ends up getting passed. if health care ends up getting passed can tax cuts set to hit. with the corporate rates where they're, what is exactly the incentive to do business in the united states of america? i hope we're going to make that point. >> i wrote a blog about it this past week. all you can hope is that businesses are truly resilient and they take so much pride that they can still tough it out

despite. >> preserve capitalism. laura: ladies, thank you. plenty more ahead as the factor moves along this evening. dan rather is great and is he griping about the state of journalism. is he calling on president obama to save the news industry. mad. and, later, a wild glenn beck unleashes on one of his radio callers. what exactly is it that has him so upset? we hope you stay tuned to those reports. o@5

russia lawyer in the impact segment tonight former cbs news man dan rather is calling on president obama to save journalism. dan, the news man says that if the government doesn't get involved democracy itself may be at risk. >> a truly free and independent press, again fiercely independent when necessary is part of the red beating heart of democracy. this is why i say to you it's bigger than journalists, bigger than journalism. it's a societal problem of what's happening with our news. i personally encourage the president to establish this white house commission on public media. laura: joining us now from chicago is talk radio host nancy skinner and in new york angela

mcglowan a fox news political analyst and the author of the book "bamboozled." nancy, this is almost too easy with the desire for some type of bailout. i'm thinking of the countries that do have a lot of government involvement in how media runs and how media reports and so forth. here are. so countries. china, cuba, russia, and venezuela. we really want to be going down that road? >> lawyer remarks i want to know why you hate the first amendment of the constitution? he is. laura: that's a first way to respond. are you kidding me? >> well, listen, what he is saying is this. is he not talking about regulating it at all. he said let's look at what's happened to the business models where you have got to the "boston globe" going down. where they don't deliver the detroit free press, the advertising models right now in this economy are not supporting real investigative journalism, real news.

laura: that's odd because fox's viewership is growing. why not cover michael jackson, if people don't want to hear about michael jackson, nancy, they shouldn't be covering michael jackson ad nauseam and a government commission has no business telling private broadcasters what they should put on television when it comes to political -- >> laura, this is red meat for the burger -- laura: too much no, no. i hate the first amendment. angela, we'll get back into nancy. angela, give me your take. >> here's the deal. you have the federal -- you have fek. you have the federal trade commission. energy and commerce department. you have also committees on capitol hill that already oversee these things. we are in a deficit. why are we trying to create more bureaucracy. and at the end of the day, dan, the news man, he was one of the main ones that lied about bush. remember when he left in shame? so when he spoke before the aspen institute about responsibility in the media, yes, we have a first amendment

right. but we already have organizations federal regulatory organizations that oversee these things. so i just think it's just more of dan trying to get news. laura: nancy, what do you think will be accomplished by the government's choosing as it has done essentially in the banking industry and the car companies in winners and losers. in say a city like sittle. what will -- seattle. >> they are not talking about bailouts of media what he is saying is look it, there is a problem you can't have -- just like you can't have government control of media, if you have two testimonies can, corporations controlling all the media, you will not get a free flow of information. that really is about democracy. in the blogosphere bloggers are not investigative journalists. if we had really. >> in place at the federal. laura: hold on, amy, nancy, you agree there is a market for

investigative journalism, right? people want -- i love investigative journalism. i love john stos tell and love what people do. >> not so much. laura: you don't think there smarkt for it? >> why didn't we see this financial meltdown coming? like madoff? how come we didn't know there was a 52 billion-dollar -- laura: flawed. >> no one reporting on it? laura: you are saying there is no market for investigative journalism today and, yet, the government has to have some role in creating a market for it. that's what you are saying. is that your argument? >> no, no. that's not what i'm saying. he is saying let's look what happened to -- do we have a free flow of information and are their ideas for cooking -- doing that. laura: what's happened as the mainstream media has disappointed both listeners and viewers when it comes to news. that's why fox's rates r. through the roof and my ratings.

the fair market has a good way of weeding it out. >> also, you have a process in place. at the ftc you have commissions to deny. if you have a problem as an american citizen about a certain commission that you see, you there are places can you write. write your member of congress. this is more break crazy and spending so more money so now we have a media czar. laura: i don't want the government involved in our lives no more than what it. >> that's not what they're doing. laura: i hate the first amendment though so i don't know how i can finish the show. glenn beck in a shootout with one of his radio callers mr. beck as you never seen him before. all coming up. catholic nurse said she was

laura: thanks for staying with us. i'm laura ingraham in for bill o'reilly. and in the at your beck and call segment tonight, recently on his

radio show glenn got worked up by a caller talking about health care reform. >> what would you do? i'm asking you. what would you do to change this healthcare system for the better? after all, every time you people bring up costs, you don't care about the trillions of dollars to bail out the banks and all the credit card companies. >> cathy, get off my phone! get off my phone, you little pinhead! i don't care, you people don't care about the trillions -- get off my phone! i'm going to lose my mind today. laura: so, naturally, bill o'reilly wanted glenn to explain what went down. >> i think that was common sense. i think there is only so much you can take before blood shoots out of your eyes. bill: is that it? >> every time "you people" you don't care about the cost. this woman has never throifned me before.

bill: she sounded like a fan. she sounded like she loved you. >> all these people, you don't care about the constitution. you don't care about the big bailouts. that's all i have been talking about since october. bill: but you went a little overboard! >> because i think it's time -- bill: was that just theater? >> no. i think there are times -- this country is so unhinged from common sense and then pegged right directly to politics that i think my head is going to explode. i should wrap my head in duct tape. bill: you vented than poor woman who wanted to have a discussion. >> she should call mpr. bill: don't you want dissent on the glenn beck program. >> no i just call you pinheads. bill: i do get a royalty for you calling her a pinhead. >> i thought about it. no. bill: let me play delve's advocate. here is your royalty. i never travel without cookie dough.

>> that's because you look like the dough boy, right? >> recognize it? that's my brother. bill: looks exactly like him. >> he he he he. bill: i want to play devil's advocate here. if people are listening to your show, they will say well, he lost the debate because he threw a little tantrum. >> yeah, sucks. bill: what would you say. >> sucks to be them listening to me. bill: you don't care about losing the debate? >> i don't really care. if you want to really have a discussion about health care, let's have a conversation about health care. bill: we just did at the top of the show. >> you know what? may i? bill: yes. >> because i saw the talking points. bill: sure. >> i think i may actually have to kiss the ring. bill: they were good. >> oh my gosh. bill: but i didn't yell! sometimes i do. sometimes i do. here is who i yell at. liars. that woman wasn't. and i yell at people who are hurting kids and i yell at

barney frank. >> pickle forks. i think she has kids and pokes them with pickle forks. bill: i yell at barney frank who does enormous dang and won't tell the truth. you and i know there are seminar callers. people who call. in that woman never listened to me. do you think so? bill: i heard add do you legs in her voice. >> you have spent two seconds watching or listening to me. all i talk about is what are we doing these bailouts for? how are we spending this money. bill: she sounded like a classic liberal woman though thinks you are a bar baron. >> she is right. bill: we had harry alford last night on the factor. you actually dealt with this in a circular way on your program. >> is that. bill: with the barbara boxer thing. so roll the tape on that. >> i think we start with desert, something yummy. ok? the head of the national black chamber of commerce. he was -- he got reamed out by

senator barbara boxer and then he reamed her out and it was fantastic. it's like pudding, watch. >> i don't like it. >> excuse me, sir. >> i take offense to it. >> ok. >> as an african-american, and a veteran of this country, i take offense to that. bill: so you were eating pudding because it was comforting to you. >> this is like -- are you kidding me? that's like conservative porn. that's barbara boxer. i want to put some barry white on and listen and go oh yeah, barbara. bill biffle you had to have a comfort food in order to enjoy the moment. >> i had to have a celebration. sometimes you have to have meat and potatoes. my mom said you always have to eat yowg your broccoli sometimes when dad was there and that was the case we start with dessert. i haven't seen that happen before. you have seen that happen. no. >> that was fantastic. bill: we invited senator boxer on the program. >> i know. i invited him on the program.

he doesn't recall return my call. bill: he doesn't like you. he doesn't like pudding that's why he didn't come on. >> is it because i look like the pills bury boy? >> in my memo i said and some conservatives have gotten angry at me for saying. this that the government does have to provide oversight to the health care industry that there is price gouging. there are insane lawsuits. the system is broken. i would agree with you. the feds have to set up apparatus where they put out what's fair with aspirin not $10 and town the line to protect the folks. do you agree with that? oversight not management. >> trying to answer question it gets hostile. >> i think up until the aspirin part you would have to talk to me on the aspirin part. here is what the government has to do. this is in the little charter we used to call the constitution. what they do is they guarantee us the right to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. so, in other words, i don't have

to sit at my farm while i'm plowing the field and worry about is somebody molesting my children in the house because the government is going to make sure that they take care of the criminals. they help -- they help me so people aren't ripping me off. they don't do anything else. but they make sure that people aren't getting ripped off. they make sure, look, there is going to be screwballs out there. there are going to be people who are too stupid to understand that you can't, cookie dough is going to make you fat. the government doesn't have to tell you hey, don't eat the cookie dough because it will make you fat. i say hey, fats so he, have some more. if you die, it's your fault. bill: but we have to pay for it a lot of times. that's why we don't have any money. >> that's a problem. bill: but you are not a crazy guy let people die in the street. you got 30 seconds. >> on the fat thing if you have to be cut out by the firemen, cut out of your house and i realize that somebody has been in your house feeding you the whole time and you couldn't get off the couch yeah it sucks to be you. we will tape it back up. find your own way to the

hospital. bill: i kind of agree with that if you abuse yourself. right now the system does pick up those tabs. glenn beck, everybody. there he is. laura: directly ahead a new york city nurse says she was forced to help abort a late term feet tution against her will. we will tell you about her controversial lawsuit when we come back. welcome home, man.

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laura: a personal story segment tonight. a pro life nurse in the big of a baking abortion controversy. a catholic says that a new york city hospital forced her to participate in a late term abortion when the mother's life was not at risk. she has filed a lawsuit claiming that she told the hospital when she was hired that she would not perform abortions because of her religious beliefs. joining us now from boston is julia business can a tele, former communications director for that real pro choice america and here in washington is steven aden an attorney for the alliance defense fund that group is representing the woman. i want to start with you because when i first read about this in the "new york post" earlier this week, i actually got -- i was physically sick to my stomach. this woman, the catholic, totally against her conscience to participate in something like this was essentially told that

if you don't help us, this woman is going -- could die, right? is that what was told to her. >> there was a lot of pressure put on her, laura. they threatened her job. they said that she would be subject to insubordination charges. they threatened her license as a nurse. they said that she would be charged with patient abandonment. she was in tears. she broke down. she pleaded with her supervisor. she pleaded with the doctor doing the abortion to no avail. and the result was horrifying. she was forced to witness the dismemberment of a 22 weekend old baby. she says to this day and this is several months later she still has nightmares, babies crying in the dark, surrounded by pools of blood. it's horrible. and this should never happen. it's unconscionable. laura: also against the law to make this happen. there is a federal law, church amendment. >> church amendment. laura: that protects workers. julia, you used to work for naral and communications director for naral. i'm trying to put myself in the

position of a pro abortion, pro choice advocate. i would make it my priority to come out at times like this and condemn what happened in this hospital. there are witnesses to. this this is not just woman's fantasy of what happened to her. yet, i'm hearing a deafening silence from pro choice organizations on this issue. >> well the "new york times" article pointed out a lawsuit is really just showing one side of it, so, obviously no one should be able, no one should be forces to do anything that is against their, you know, their beliefs and how they feel, she could have walked out, i believe nursing shortage even there where they couldn't find another nurse or didn't try depending, we don't know. we are only hearing one side of this. we have not heard from anybody else. so we don't know. but what we do know is that a dilation is a safe normal

procedure. laura: safe for whom? not for the baby. the baby dies. not safe for the baby. >> a dilation in care damage. >> it was not a d and c. she doesn't note facts. laura: the procedure is not what you are describing it as. it wasn't a d and c. >> it was a d and e they tear the baby apart with foreseptember. literally dismember it limb from limb and that's what she had to see. laura: what condition would require a late term abortion? just so we understand. late term abortions i always hear late term abortions are procedures that are only done to protect the life of the mother. >> the mother. laura: which is a late term abortion required to save a woman's life. give me a couple of conditions. >> ok. so a number of conditions, it's a tiniy, tiny percentage of the procedures are done. laura: what conditions? >> even -- the conditions like a fetus has died in the womb. preeclamps i can't. laura: it's already dead. >> if i may finish, steve.

what we have read in reports, and i mean you have access to the only person who is talking about this and you are the attorney. i am not an attorney. laura: never required. >> you said you'll i can't no one should julia, no one should be required to do. this you agree with us. laura: we appreciate both of you joining us. coming up the seinfeld gang back coming together on curb your enthusiasm. we have details in hilarious clip reel muchs. i'm 66 years old now, and i have back problems. i can't walk very far at all. i was really worried about coda and nalla. it really broke my heart that i couldn't take them for a long walk like i used to. so i called hoveround, and they suggested i might qualify for a power chair. and with medicare and my insurance, they said i'd pay little or nothing for it, and boy, were they right!

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life. >> in the beginning of seinfeld this show was on the ropes. it was not well rated. people were ignoring it. how bad were things in the first year? >> the first pilot episode was so bad that nobody even thought nbc was going to pick it up. >> you can't overdry. >> why not? >> same as you can't overwet. once something is wet, it's wet. >> they added in julia louise-dreyfus' character elaine. >> let's do something. i don't want to sit around here. >> ok. >> want to get something to eat? >> where do you want to go? >> i don't care. i'm not hungry. >> they beefed it up with a female character. but still the first year was not rated and everybody thought it would get canceled. >> the first season came really in 1991 and 1992. that was the first official season where people stood up and took notice. >> what are you looking at? ever seen a kid in a bubble before? >> of course i have. come on. my cousin's in a bubble. >> it was originally on

wednesdays up against abc's monster hit home improvement. nobody watched it. >> that's interesting. >> they put it after "cheers" it went crazy. >> so when seinfeld was put after cheers, the cheers was the lead-in and people began to sample. >> ♪ everybody knows your name ♪ >> but the show changed. >> it sure did. they tried to develop the core group of characters more. >> what kind of a person are you? >> i think i'm pretty much like you. only successful. >> they started easing back a little bit from all of the jerry seinfeld standup comic routines. >> it's like two magicians trying to entertain each other. one goes look, a rabbit. the other goes, so? >> did they beef up any characters? >> cosmo kramer was these crazy entrances and this wild hair. he was the wild card and people really responded to that comic relief that he provided that was more traditional. and so they gave him a bigger role. >> the only thing between him

and us is a thin layer of gabber dean. >> i'm out there, jerry, and i'm loving it! sean: >> and then their parents. >> a hen, a rooster and a chicken. something's missing. >> something's missing, all right. >> putty, the boyfriend to julia louise-dreyfus. >> i have to get changed before the game. i'll be back. we'll make out. >> peterman. >> i'll just have to get things started. >> to take the pressure away from the central characters who had -- people had seen and seen and seen. >> as the show became successful the writers realized they could start adding in some additional characters. >> no soup for you. >> hello, newman. >> how do i look, jackie? >> you're looking good. >> do you see a difference in the performances of the four central characters year one, say to year six? >> in year one, they were really trying to be these characters. >> what do you think?

>> i like that. >> they were more relaxed perhaps in their own heads because hey, it was a pilot season. what do they have to lose? i think that as the show went on, they became these characters. so much more on screen and themselves that they felt so much more comfortable playing them. they felt comfortable pushing the limits. >> you want a christmas card? you want a christmas card? all right. here. here's a christmas card. >> so i think you can see from the early days into the later days the characters just getting so much deeper and it almost became difficult and impossible nearly to separate the characters from the actors who played them. >> final question. year one creatively, 10 best, one worst, where was it? >> creatively i would say it was probably an eight because it was such a brilliant idea but the response to it was maybe a 1.5. >> how did you get in here?

>> people were used to something like the nanny or home improvement that had a very contrived situation and things happened. the american public wasn't necessarily ready for that. nor do they know how to react. >> hey, buddy. >> but also programming and placement was important. so those factors made it what we remember today. >> we had this conversation before. >> you think? >> thank you very much. we appreciate it. >> thank you. >> i'm begging you. >> what, kind of like this? sean: and that is it for us today. the factor continues 24-7 on bill o'reilly. -- on billoreilly.com. you can get his huge best seller "a bold fresh piece of humanity." and check out my radio show, the laura ingraham show and my web site, lauraingraham.com. i'm laura ingrahamfo