weekend, same time, same place, same channel. you know the deal, have a great you know the deal, have a great week everyone. captioned by closed captioning services, inc. i'm julie banderas. >> announcer: ladies and gentlemen, governor mike huckabee. *applause . >> mike: figure much everybody. welcome to huckabee from the fox tv is a new york city. tonight abc news john stossel, does the president's health care plan possibly make a senior citizens life less valuable than somebody in their 30s or 40s? david barton will be with us, "time" magazine calls him one of the 25 most influential evangelicals. so why isn't he a household name a few but he will tell us about our country's founder is what

some people hope you never find out. >> and the doctors, the stars of tds 18 kids and counting. how do they manage their household? and most of us have trouble handling a couple kids, they handle 18+. >> grammy award-winning country musician ray stevens is here to play with the "little rockers" in a timely tune you want to share with your friends and your congressman. you will love the show tonight. thank you for joining us on tonight's edition of the "huckabee". *applause . >> mike: you know, i've had more than my share of jobs in my lifetime. i work for nonprofit organizations, small businesses, large corporations, but i spent the longest part of my adult employment in elected positions working in government. i run several small businesses as well. i learned something about the role of the boss. smart employees want to please the boss. congress works for us, don't they? i wonder, do they know that?

are they so filled with their sense of self inflicted importance that they forgot we have a house of representatives and not a house of lords? it seems the $800 billion book -- portland is available with supposed to stimulate the economy wasn't the only thing they did not read great baby a reading of the united states constitution would be a bad idea. you know, that document that starts with, we the people? the latest poll shows that we the people don't want the government to take over our health care. they seem hell-bent on doing it anyway. i just got back from a brief trip canada. their system works okay. that is if you have a minor complaint. but in the event of something really serious, god help you, because the government run system probably won't. does that bother you? in the words of sir -- surveillance, you better. this is so members of congress.? no way should it come with it

altogether by nokorie for you. they'll keep the really nice on our half. the members of congress are coming home for recess. and when they aren't jetting about on a junket overseas fact-finding, picture they find out some facts from you. show up at a town hall or a forum if they do have one. go to their offices, make calls send e-mails and letters, ask lots of questions and demand answers. try to gently or not so gently reminded them of the less really is. sure, we want them to make informed decisions and have the courage to take a stand even if it is unpopular in the name of right. we don't expect them to cave into nancy pelosi's pressure or lobbyists in washington while ignoring the people who are the robots. i have the contact information for members of congress on my website, huckabee.com. remind them that when an employee consistently goes against the bosses wishes, the solution is simple. fire the employee and get somebody else.

if we fire about half of congress in the next election, it might get their attention. they need to know that we the people are the boss. not they the congress. *applause . >> mike: well, that's my view and i welcome yours. let me hear from you@mikehuckabee.com. click on the ox's feedback section and that is not what you think. >> we're not the only ones who are concerned about healthcare. here's the daily show jon stewart on the residence approach to selling the bill. >> is clearly scare tactics on healthcare reform have taken their toll on the president sales pitch. >> first of all, nobody is talking about some government takeover of health care. >> nobody is talking about reducing medicare benefits. >> nobody is talking about you forcing to change her plans to make this money is not being wasted snack to tell your mom though he is messing with your doctor to mackinac sales pitches in trouble when you hear it look, you go to trust me, we're

not going to kill your grandparents. >> mike: well, is your life and help more expendable the older you get? if you're a senior citizen, would you, your family, your doctor decide on chemotherapy or heart surgery? or should it be decided by a nameless faceless bureaucrat. to discuss this abc news investigative reporter and cohost of the hit show on the 20, jon scott so. john, welcome, glad to have you here. *applause . >> thank you. >> mike: john, the biggest question is, who should make decisions about our personal health? >> ideally, we the individual should make our own choices and do our own rationing because we are all different. some of us want different things at different points in life. i don't know what's going to be in the final bill, but to be fair to obama, somebody's going to ration care for the elderly right now.

medicare -- government already runs have to healthcare. medicare is $30 trillion in the hole. it's a ponzi scheme. they liked it pretty made up for a ponzi scheme, medicare is a bigger one. at some point they're going to say you're this old you will get hip replacement. >> mike: but we want the government making that decision? you said the government is making a lot of decisions now. other changes to the individual is in charge to keep. >> if somebody else is going to pay for, then have the right to set some point you want everything we can't afford it, we have to say no. the only way the individual makes a choice is that the individual pays more. the way to do that is through health savings accounts, high deductible policies, all these things are being discouraged by this new legislation which is saying insurance is to cover everything. >> mike: this week nancy pelosi said the insurance companies are the villains and hairy reed made very disparaging comments toward the insurance industry. is it their fault?

are the ones to blame for what's going on with the healthcare system to give. >> yes and no and that everything that works well in america, the best stuff we get from capitalism. free markets. you talk about the boss and the people pleasing the boss, and you view it in politics from being a politician. i do it as a consumer reporter from businesses trying to please their customers. that's the ultimate accountability. we can only elect you once every four years. we can change the company we buy things from every two seconds. it's that motivation that makes things better. and i'm sorry i forgot the question what was going with that. but if we apply more about healthcare, we would see it in the few areas of healthcare for people pay for things himself. plastic surgery, basic eye surgery. races are coming down, quality are going up and the doctor gives out his e-mail address and cell phone number because he's looking to please the customer. it's good. >> mike: one of the things that gets talked about a lot in the

insurance debate is really why does the individual have the policy owned by the employer rather than by the employee? >> at the left over from world war ii and our crazy tax system. it's favor to be paid for that way. but you're right, it's unfair and crazy. 4/10 americans change jobs every year. why should they be locked to their employer for their insurance. the employer doesn't pay for their food or their house. if he did that wouldn't be bad. >> mike: ira member you making a comment once that but if we had grocery insurance? >> that was your question. insurance companies are a problem because while capitalism is the best, the worst form of capitalism is worse and they all spend your money, because nobody spends her money as carefully as you do. so third-party payment, whether it's a private insurance company or the government, is that big because you don't care what things cost. if you had grocery insurance you would say i will do everything,

the lobster the state the finest wines. i'm only paying 20% of it, michael a. i don't like that, but why cut costs due to widen shop around. people don't shop around. the doctor says you need a mri. do you ever asked the doctor, will really need it to do is there some cheaper test or a cheaper place to get the mri? conducted as the banality mri costs the chemist talk about to the people don't do this and any other form of insurance. their car insurance, home insurance, life insurance, they own it. in this case it's in the hands of some layouts. it doesn't give the consumer and opportunities so you know, this is what i want. one of the things i think is interesting is we pay less if we're more careful in every form. under the obama plan it seems like everybody will get coverage and it's all going to be the same basic policy and the same basic cost. what's wrong with that. >> sounds good. community rating. you can't discriminate against people with a pre-existing condition.

but this means that you get no benefit from doing all that running you did in losing all that weight. an insurance company houses by saying we are going to charge the town drunk or for car insurance that will charge you. they are to have these incentives. but as i read it, the current bills are good that. >> mike: otis paez-martinez the dealer does on the scent of mayberry to have a car insurance. and i'm a senseless. a person who has per arms and fire alarms and sprinklers a lesser fire insurance than a person who is in a steakhouse in stores gasoline in the middle of the room to make senator john kerry got very angry that some insurance companies were charging women more for health insurance. this discrimination must not. the insurance industry frightened as there are totally caved. there's a reason for it. women go to the doctor more often. they have more chronic conditions. it cost the insurance company more to ensure a woman. nobody complains that women have cheaper car insurance, because men are more reckless. some discrimination is good.

>> mike: i think the thing we learned from the conversation, and i want to say thanks john stossel for being here, is that this really gets down to whether or not you believe that you ought to be in control not just of your health but you're insurance. in essence this talk plainly. should you be in control of your life? you want to put that enhance or something else, and if so, who? futures -- trust the government for that? we dedicate the book of next week show to this issue so we want to hear from you. tell us what your questions and concerns are about healthcare and all of these proposals, write me at hotmail and foxnews.com. tell us your name and where you're from and we'll answer as many of those as we can next week. tonight is the separation of church and state ms are a mandate from the i've been growing algae for 35 years. most people try to get rid of algae, and we're trying to grow it. the algae are very beautiful. they come in blue or red, golden, green. algae could be converted into biofuels... that we could someday run our cars on.

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>> mike: in 1992 friend gave me a vhs videotape of a guy who never heard of diminutive promise it. i know you asked me if i watched it so late one night 30:00 p.m. i popped it into my player. i figured i would watch it for five minutes until my friend i watched some of it. i couldn't stop watching and i didn't stop until it was finished. that was 1:00 am i've been a big fan for the past several years a friend of the founder and president of wall builders, david barton. that was your tape, david, and thanks. welcome. glad to have you here. >> good to be here. >> mike: from the very first time i heard you talk, you were telling things i was stunned by because i was never taught that in school. i want to go right into the declaration of independence. we don't really know who signed that document from our history

books. >> today, and the picture of the signing of the declaration we find two people immediately. i could do this in high school and colleges. they can all find jefferson and franklin and it was farcical. then there are 56 guys. many others. the problem today is we have been recognized to see the two least religious guys and that's a comparative term because even they are more religious than the religious right by it enlarge. the other 56 and signed, 29 hou 70°. one half held bible school degrees. but we don't here about we would not hear about people like this man right here, dr. benjamin rush. john adams said he is one of the three most noble founders. he started the sunday school in america and started america's first bible society. this man in the center, i'll take a drumstick air, is one of the guys who drafted the declaration of independence. he is a theologian. he wrote a doctoral creed for his congress befriended bill of

rights. his practice was every year when he went to congress he took a brand-new bible within made notes in a figure to his kids when he got home. it was a good keepsake. it took a while because he had 15 kids. well folks that this man hear the reverend dr. john witherspoon of princeton university. >> mike: the president of princeton? many of the schools had historical origins in faith. they were christian colleges to make absolutely. princeton is a new university when he was there. upon the statement is very simple. it said kearse is contrary to the cross of christ. is there to turn out ministers and he turned up a number of founding fathers from john witherspoon himself, we can point to about one third of the founding fathers were trained by him at princeton university. so he was turning out theologians and ministers on regular basis. that man right here is charles thompson. he is responsible for the famous american bible edition the

thompson bible. let's pick this guy right here. that is robert treat paine a minister and a chaplain during the american revolution. the man with a hat on is stephen hopkins, is a quaker, or a outspoken, used christian but we should separate from great britain started in 1765. you get the idea. >> mike: did their faith influence these guys get cute with her we have secular documents. this is the declaration of independence, the constitution, we are told it's a secular document. who can we look at in the writing of the constitution to say what were they about? >> when you go to the constitution, you can start with a lot of things. we have the same difficulty with signers of the constitution. we find folks like franklin, who occasionally find an ammo can, can't find medicine or george washington that's usually where it stops. we would never recognize abraham baldwin who started the university of georgia. never recognize people like this man right here, this is james

mckendree the secretary of war, fort mchenry, started the bible society of maryland. we would not recognize folks like this man here, this is william samuel johnson, president of columbia university. he was -- he is a theologian. >> mike: will run out of time on different want too. i want to ask you quickly, is there not some kind of big prayer meeting before the constitution? that there were a couple of pennies. he actually had franklin here five weeks in there is so much difficulty franklin called a timeout and set guys cannot have it prayed. we used to pray all the time in congress. only six guys signed the declaration or the constitution. if i can was in congress signed the declaration that daily prayer. he had lengthy prayer. that assigned chaplains. he said we haven't done that since we did the constitution. so they wanted the thing about religious prayer according to george washington picked up three days off and went to church. they went to the church of the reverend william rogers, is a great prayer he prayed. we have the actual prayer.

we have about 100,000 documents from before 1812. i have the actual prayer he prayed over the actual constitution convention and the whole atmosphere changed other delegates started having prayer finally saw was only five days later they came out with the constitution is now the longest ongoing constitution and the world. it took them five weeks to do it at six weeks with them to agree on anything and they couldn't do it. that's a time of prayer. the other time of prayer is when these guys first met. the first time ever got together. >> mike: we have to take a break right now. let's ask this question, is america a christian or sector nation? we will ask david barton what our founding fathers hadxí?? ♪

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david burton. while.com is where you can get information including downloads for some of the original documentation. david you have thousands of documents people can get from your website. we will not get a lot of stuff. i want to get to this. this is a bible and tell me about the significance of it. it looks really old. >> it's a very rare bible, one of the wrist by those in the world. this is the first bible printed in the english language in america. it was printed in 1782 at the close of the american revolution because the british had a lot of sense if you live in america you can't print the bible and your mileage. at the end of the war this is what was printed. what's cool about this is that it was rented by the congress of the united states in 1782. the founding fathers prejudice and the records of congress show this to be a addition of the

holy scriptures for the super school. that's what they did. there are only 29 of those left in the world. they printed 10,000. that's one of the rarest books in the world. >> mike: the taxpayers paid for that. we had over the unconstitutional today jack talk about unconstitutional. let's have fun. this is from thomas jefferson two make us the real deal. >> this is not a copy it's the real deal. and jefferson on like the other president closes his documents in the year of our lord christ. he didn't say in the year of our lord -- >> mike: we heard he was a secularist and didn't believe mackey started a church of u.s. capitol preferrably seven years, he attended church in the capital throughout his years, he had the marine corps van come and play the church services at the capitol. unbelievable stuff with jefferson. he funded a treaty to send missionaries to go through jefferson has the least religious founder but is way out

further than most religious right today would be. >> mike: have a document by john adams is a john adams later. >> mike: the real deal practices his signature on the inside here. that is his signature at the bottom. this is a letter he wrote to his friend, benjamin rush, go sign of the declaration, and he goes into pure christian theology the holy spirit carries on the whole system. baptism sacrament and it goes on through and none of this made hbo. >> mike: i wasn't on the hbo special about john adams. >> you cannot study john adams writings and not see his face throughout. as a matter of fact, abigail is the real bible cover in this deal and you can see that on hbo. we managed to exclude what the -- to the skies relatively. >> mike: how come we haven't been told the real truth about our founders to cute. >> eagle back to a textbook printed before 1920 as is common stuff. from 1930-1950 went silent. from 1950-1970 we want to be

there not that religious and in the 90s we cannot discuss for all diagnostic ideas. go back and get a totally different picture. >> mike: it comes down to the original documents in their own words. it is not what people said these guys said, that's what i actually said. >> atari we like putting it up on the website. you can see the actual documents. the library congress brought all these religious doctrines out to show the founders and what they believed and did so there's plenty of evidence out there it's just that today would have been cut away from our own roots, heritage and history. >> mike: david barton has stacks of things we never got anywhere near what he brought much less what he has. while builders.com is the website. i hope you'll go to and do some exploring. take a moment, read the book under the separation, he has a number of dvds. there's a lot about your own country that we have never been told.

it's like we have been hidden from the truth of our own history. i hope you'll take a look at it. david, thank you so much, it's a pleasure. i wish we had two hours to talk about. >> great to be with you *applause . >> mike: you can have a huckabee report on radio stations across america three times daily. for one in your area or to listen to all of them go to mike huckabee.com and click on a huckabee report. neck when it comes to kids and tv families, mike and carol brady were happy with six. dick van patten said kate is enough. but that's child play for our next guest. having the right tools is crucial to being able to manage your diabetes properly. it's very important for me to uh check my blood sugar before i go on stage. being on when i'm feeling low can be like a rollercoaster. it does at times feel like my body is telling me to do one thing... and, my mind, my heart is telling me to do something else. managing my highs and lows is super important. with my contour meter i can personalize my high/lo settings so it really does micromanage where my blood sugar needs to be.

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>> from america's news he headquarters, hello, i'm julie banderas, tonight, a 18-year-old mystery solved and a military family in mourning. the remains of u.s. navy pilot captain michael scott spiecher have been identified. waste shot down on the first night of the gulf war, the first american lost in that war. for nearly two decades no one knew whether he was alive or dead. his family expressed sorrow and appreciation, a wonderful husband and son, who responded when his country needed him. and in the nation this weekend, storms to heat waves, the second time in a month a tornado struck connecticut, meteorologists say it was moving at 105 miles per hour lots of damage, thank tli

no injuries reported. i'm julie banderas, now, back to huckabee here only on fox. fo. for all your latest headlines, go to foxnews.com. >> mike: i am happy to.my next guest, all 21 of them. they are the huge happy family that is the focus of tlc show 18 and counting. >> believe it or not we have five little ones. it was much more difficult. but now we all work together as a team. >> in order to make a family dispute run, nobody gets to be a slacker >> mike: you know them from tlc. i noticed her personal friends from arkansas, jim bob and michelle duggar. great to have you guys here. welcome to new york.

>> your show has been a hit on t.l.c. and people are fascinated, how in the world can you make it woring with 18 kids and now plus a daughter-in-law? >> that's easier now than when we had five or six because we all work together. >> ly shell. i think that people are amazed you, were obviously to have 18 children and people say, wait a minute how many are adopted, how many, none of them. every one you've given birth to and you've been pregnant most of your adult life? >> yes, but we believe each one of these children are a gift from god and we are enjoying them. they are so precious, and i couldn't think after better way to spend my time than loving my children and enjoying them while they're herements one of the things i've wondered, do you even know how to name all the kidsment can you tell who they are from each other? >> how many little boys, six little boys in a row, on the back side it's hard to tell. we are going to put you to the

test. >> we are going to ask the kids to come out and as they do, let's see if you can name all of them accurately. because most of us had a hard time with two or three kids and you've got 18. let's see if we can do it, you tell us who they are. >> this is josh and wife anna and they're expecting our new granddaughter october 18th. >> great. >> there's mr. jackson. >> jackson. >> i love that name. that's such a name of strength, isn't it. >> yes. >> there's justin. >> hey, justin how you doing, pal, come out. >> mr. james. >> james. >> here we go, mr. jason. >> jason. >> come out jason. >> there we go. >> jeremiah. >> jeremiah. >> come on, jeremiah. >> his twin brother jedia. >> i love that name, another good one. >> come on. >> and jewel &a and jordan grace. >> jordan grace is the newest. >> how is she. >> seven months. >> how much?

>> seven months. josiah. >> and let's see, joseph. >> hi, joseph. >> there's ginger and johanna. >> ginger and joe hahna. >> and jesta, i don't know, i forgot that one's name. >> i new they were going to throw one in there. >> yours, governor. >> okay, i've got to tell everybody, what they did, and that's one of our staff member's and we wanted to see if we could catch you off guard. >> oh, what a cuty. >> at least you didn't say, well, we'll give that one a name and keep him. >> and jill and generjennifer. >> hi, jill and jennifer. >> john david. >> we're running out of seats here. >> who else. >> miss jana. >> and twins. >> have we got everybody. >> most of them. >> hey, you did good, let's give them a hand (applause) >> one of the things i wanted to ask you guys about.

it's got to be a challenge with this many children and a lot of people have seen that the unfortunate situation with jon and eight plus kate, the other show that has a lot of children, your family's nothing like that and i know that there are some differences. tell me what you think-- with no disparity or no disparaging words toward jon and kate. how is your family work to have this many children being on television all the time. why does it work for you? >> well, we've done the television thing for like five and a half years, but i tell you what, having a large family, we have fun everywhere we go and life is an exciting adventure. >> yes, and i think when your children are all young, it's like i said, it's really hard challenging days, but we have a lot of older children and so we're in a different season of life, even though i still have babies, little ones, we have a lot of big ones, too, and i think that that dynamic of our family probably makes for a lot

different of a setting when you know, you're filming and doing things like that, because there's just a lot more helpers. >> we want to talk to you guys and we are going to bring some of the children into the conversation as well when we come back from our break. and everybody's going to stay to watch this because they cannot imagine the challenges and we are going to ask you about some of those, laundry, cooking, going from place to place and all the challenges of doing it with 18 children it's got to be a lot of fun. we will be right back, don't go away we have a lot more with the d duggers coming up. ary web os allows multiple applications to run at the same time. - ( thunder and rain ) - millions are using the simply everything plan. - each is saving $1200 over an at&t iphone plan. - ( cash register dings ) together that's billions of dollars. enough to open a dunkin' donuts in space. from america's most dependable 3g network. bringing you the first and only wireless 4g network. get the palm pre. only from sprint. only on the now network.

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(applause) >> we're back with the duggers, jim, bob, michelle, 18 kids and a brand new daughter-in-lawment when we were talking before we talked about some of the challenges you guys faced. how do you do laundry for this many people? >> well, we've been doing it now every day to keep up with it. there for a while we were doing it twice a week and even though we have four washers and four dryers, probably doing 7 to 11 loads a day. >> mike: and food, groceries, feeding this many people every day three meals a day. >> yeah, we do bulk shopping and get things very reasonable that way. and stock up as much as we can and then we cook in huge quantities and everybody enjoys cooking, i mean, the guys like to grill. some of the guys can make bread and the girls cook and we enjoy

eating. >> make cereal and-- >> wow, jim bob, you really are amazing, cereal and toast. and do you have the recipe for the toast? >> i've got barbecued tuna fish sand wins. my own recipe. >> mike: barbecued. >> when mama was away for a week. >> mike: and you know, one of the things i also have to ask you guys, is you have done this without government money, you're not on any government assistance and you're debt-free. jim bob, there are people out there with one or two children that they don't know how to, you know, pay off the billsment what's the secret to being able to maintain a family of this size and to do it with financial integrity. >> back about 20 years ago we went through a financial freedom seminar and stay out of debt and following the principles of financing and it was life changing and so if we want to buy something like a newer car or something, we buy used and save the difference and saved us

from so many financial disasters. and i don't know how we would make it with this many children if we had a lot of debt and really, when you add ten to 20% on everything you buy with debt, it makes it very difficult to repay that. >> mike: so, the biblical principle, you don't owe for things that you can't afford to have. >> right. >> mike: could you teach that to the federal government? do you think it might be-- oh, would we ever love this. i know you tried to teach it to the state government when you were a legs legislator. another question i think so many people have, having many, many children is not just hey, we can by logically do it. it's a spiritual cop vicks-- conviction. >> when we were first married i was on the birth control pill for three and a half years and we decided to have children, and we had the first son josh and i went back on the pill and ended up getting pregnant while i was

on the pill and i lost that baby and at that point we were just, we were heart broken and here we're holding one baby in our arms and enjoying being parents, realizing that we had lost one, and so, at that point, we got on our knees and we prayed and we said, father, forgive us and just give us a love for children like you love children and right after that, the lord blessed us with twins and then another one and another one. >> and here we are today. >> and we really-- >> 18 and counting. >> we believe that each one of these children or gifts and they are a blessing and a joy and we realize how the love is just overnight they dproe up. >> we're getting ready to celebrate 25 years of marriage. >> mike: congratulations on your silver anniversary. thank you, we had 18 children in the first 25 years and i imagine we will have a few grandkids the next 25 years. >> mike: i imagine so because josh and anna are helping you out on that one. you guys have a baby ready in

october. >> november 18th is the due date and the name is mckenziey, the first announcement right there. there you go. >> very good, it's going to be a girl. >> yes. >> mckenziey. >> yes. >> she can fit right in. >> that's right. >> mike: i want to ask you guys, josh, how did you and anna meet? >> we met through mutual friends and we were both home schooled and from large families, anna was number five of eight. it was love at first sight for me and took her a little while, but it's really neat to be able to know we went into marriage and saved our first kiss for our wedding day and it was special something we didn't feel we had to do, but something we want today do and it's a decision, it's neat because we have great parents to look up to. you know, to be able to hopefully inspire to be like them one day. >> mike: and anna had to come from such a small family, only eight kids. okay. i've got to ask, where is josiah right here. tell me something, i think you played a little prank on the t.l.c. crew who was taping the

show. tell me what you did? >> well, actually, the people magazine came over and they were going to get some pictures of our family for the magazine and i you know, our family we have this every now and then we come up with funny ideas so i thought you know, there's the baby outfit there and play a prank on them so we wrapped this baby doll and we, i walked over there and like, real nice and friendly and i said, hey do you want to take a picture of the baby. and they were like, yeah, sure, sure, and i dropped the baby right in front of the-- i dropped the baby in front of him and he dove for it. >> did he catch the baby? >> no, he did know. he said i saw it falling in the air and i was thinking it'd probably be okay (laughter) >> so you guys are pretty normal, you play pranks on each other and stuff like that. >> too often. >> mike: and in fact, i think there was a little bit of a prank that josh was playing on the wedding.

what was that about? josh? >> well, i acted as if i forgot the ring so what i did was i standed up on the stage so do you have the symbol of your love for anna and i'm like, well, and gosh is like, yeah, i have the ring. and he turned around to me to get the ring and then i was fijty tactful-- acted like i didn't have the ring and took off the stage and ran out of the ceremony and came back with the ring and here it is, no problem and here, josh. reap what you sew. >> mike: yeah, you owe him. >> yeah. >> mike: air going to have to get him back. >> you'll get married one of these days and i'm going to be there. >> mike: the greatest joy you guys have had with your kids? tell me what, is it just one thing you can say? this is the reason we've had so much pleasure in a large family? >> oh, boy, there's a lot of things. i guess right off the top of my head, i would say when the

children share their hearts with us and talk openly, they know they have a safe place to talk and i think that's a great joy to see that they really want to be open and honest with mom and dad and really, their heart must always, they're really wanting to do what the lord wants them to do. >> and i feel like the most blessed man in the world. a wife that's so sweet and all of these children, i just am the richest man in the world. >> mike: this is the book called the duggar's 20 and counting. all the things we didn't talk about today in this book and look forward to seeing you. for more on the duggar family watch 18 kids and counting, tuesdays at 9 p.m. eastern and pacific on t.l.c. we will be right back. [applause]. lc. we will be right back. *applause xxpx

>> would you like to be part of our studio audience call 877-225-tkts or write to us at huck ticks at foxnews.com. some artists can make you laugh and some can make you think. when one person can do both he has a gift. our next guest has a gift and you know him best for writing songs like "the streak" and grammy award winning "everything is beautiful" please welcome ray stevens. ray, great to have you here. i want to tell you, you have a reputation in the music business that's been affirmed today as one of the nicest guys in the business and certainly is proven true. >> thank you. >> mike: i've listened to your songs from guitarzan and ahab

the arab, and politically uncorrect things you've done, but this that we're doing today is so timely. and you've made it available on i-tulips, i've downloaded it and a blast listening to it. >> you're the guy. >> mike: i'm not going to be the only one. there will be thousands across america, i not only want them to listen to it, get a copy and e-mail it to their congressman, the song is called is "if 10% is good enough for jesus." . tell me about the song. >> i first recorded it 20 years ago and it came out and mildly successful, but no big deal and then, time marches on and somebody called me the other day and said you ought to resurrect that song because it's really timely today and i thought you're absolutely right and we went in the studio, rerecorded it, and here it is. >> mike: and there's really an interesting thing about taxes, what do you think we ought to be thinking about when it comes to why taxes are so burdensome to

us these days? well, it looks like they're going through the roof. that's the main problem i have with them. you were talking earlier, i don't know how much time we have here. >> mike: about a minute, so-- >> okay, i'll be brief. you were talking earlier about people, you know, contacting their copingmen. >> mike: yeah. >> during the august break, and reminded me of a story, my own grandpa used to be the hardest guy to buy a christmas present for ever and one year we were down to the-- walking by a pet store and saw a parrot, a beautiful, red, blue, green, yellow feathers and how much for the parrot? and the guy says $1500. i said, whoa, forget it. wait a minute, that parrot can speak six languages. >> i said i'll take him. i send him to grandpa for christmas called him after christmas and i said, merry christmas how do you like the parrot i sent you? he said it was delicious (laughter) >> i said, now, wait a minute,

you weren't supposed to eat the parrot. the parrot could speak six languag languages. >> he said, well, he should have said something. so you can wind up as dinner unless you say something to your congressmen and your senators. so-- >> well, you're saying something through the song, let's play it, "if 10% is good enough for jesus." ♪ i'd like to say a few words about taxes ♪ ♪ i pay another man to do my taxes ♪ ♪ just one more deduction i can take ♪ ♪ you know the postman brought my w-2 this morning ♪ ♪ a third of all my money. now, i'm just as patriotic as the next man and you know, i love that red, white and blue ♪ ♪ so i'm gonna help to pay for this rising cost ♪ ♪, but i'll be damned if i'm

gonna change ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ how they tyke so much of my money ♪ ♪ and do things with it i don't understand ♪ ♪ i don't know why... ♪ but i take it just exactly where i stand ♪ ♪ if 10% is good enough for jesus, it ought to be enough for uncle sam ♪ ♪ ♪ some of those folks we've been sending off to congress ♪ ♪ think that all they got to do is just spend and spend ♪ ♪ you can't run a family much less a country ♪ ♪ with more money going out than

coming in ♪ ♪ and that old debt keeps getting bigger and we all going to have to pay so don't you laugh ♪ ♪ pretty soon we might just look down at our paychecks and start taking half ♪ ♪ time until they run out of money ♪ ♪ they sock it to the working man ♪ ♪ i don't think it's funny how they take so much of our money ♪ ♪ and do things with it i don't understand ♪ ♪ i don't know why they think they've got to do this ♪ ♪ but i tell you just exactly where i stand ♪ ♪ i believe that 10 percent is good enough for jesus ♪ ♪ well, it ought to be enough for uncle sam ♪ ♪ i said if 10 percent is enough

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