>> life and at large. >> so help me god. >> the promise the 41st president would soon regret. >> read my lips. >> breaking that pledge is widely considered bush lost to bill clinton. the 41st president may have patented himself into the same corner. >> we made a clear promise the families who learned less than 200 thousand a year will not see their taxes increase by a single dime. >> both obama's treasury secretary and tim geithner and economic advisor larry summers refused to rule out a tax hike on the middle class to lower the federal deficit and pay for the president's over hall of

healthcare. here is geithner. >> the president said taxes won't go up any one making under $250,000 but it doesn't appear he will be able to keep that promise to the american people. >> we can't make a judgment he can tactly what it takes and how we are going to get there. i think what the country needs to do is understand we need do what's necessary. >> do what's necessary. we have gone from not a single dime in new taxes to the middle class to whatever means necessary to pay for healthcare and tax the federal deficit. i am geraldo rivera. ann coulter if you had to pick between a run away deficit on the one hand that will destroy any hope of economic recovery and paying a couple of bucks in new taxes on the other hand what would you choose? >> it's a false question because as reagan demonstrated the more you raise taxes on the rich, the

less revenue you end up getting. what you want is tax revenue not simply to -- you just hate rich people and don't care wh if the deficit goes up and the economy will go into the crapper. when reagan cut taxes they explained it was reagan's tax cuts and often republicans respond by saying no it was congressional spending. it's more than that. you have to point out when reagan cut taxes tax revenues went up because people in the top 1 percent, 5 percent stop ed engaging in tax avoidanavoidanc. they stop avoiding investments that will be taxed. >> the way they did under bush 43? >> the way they did what? >> a lot of democrats engaged in gosh not only tax avoidance but tax evasion. >> and the republicans and the deficit and all of the rest of it is supply side economics really work during the bush

administration? >> we probably could cut taxes a little bit more. spending was definitely out of control. i am talking only about the tax revenue side now. we have gone -- i mean there comes a point when you cut taxes too much and the revenue will go down. we are way beyond that point. when taxes hit a pers certain p you end up with less coming in. >> i get you. is obama guilty here of the bait and switch of power? >> if in fact he ends up having to raise taxes on the middle class and has to i think people are going to be very upset obviously. i think what he will say is i didn't anticipate things being so bad. i didn't anticipate inheriting the worst economy since the great depression. that will be the way he tries to get out of it. i think he was so clear about that in the campaign it could be a real liability. >> and you have a broken promise torpedo the presidency of bush

41 will this do the same for obama? >> i don't know because you are dealing with a different base. if it were a republican it's more detrimental to go back on the tax issue verses the democrats. it might be something they could over look. the question is how is it going to effect them. i think when you just are so emphatic about something you have a really hard time with that. >> i have a hard time with it. i love the president. i liked the last one, too. ann you have a situation where you have everyone from alan greenspan to geithner. some are both saying -- all of the evidence points to the recession having finally bottomed out. it's all up from here and unemployment will linger through next year up until the middle of next year. but we have beaten the depression threat that had us all so rattled. >> well, i hope they are right.

as you know i think the stock market is going to dip one more time before the end of the year. >> as you know i hope you are wrong. >> tax hikes are never popular with voters but they are especially not popular with republicans. that's one of the things our party stands for. they were screaming from the rooftop that obama was going to have to raise taxes on the middle class. you can never get enough revenue taxing 1 percent. the money is not there. already the top 1 hers fay for -- >> what about the fact that we have beaten the -- i remember the march night when i walked down to my dock and i was screaming at the moon i was saying, i am not selling my stocks. i am sticking this out. i am going to beat this thing. thank god it finally turned around. it looks like we can all breathe a sigh of relief. i am not pollyanna here, but it looks like whatever means

necessary have worked in saving now we to beat the deficit. >> where is tmz when we need them. eventually the stock market -- eventually the stock market will turn around. i don't think this is the end of america. but it's going to take time and i think obama's policies are dragging it out. what you need is to get support and for it to clear out the chase to get the homes foreclosed on to get businesses to go bank rupt to need to go bank rupt. cut regulation make it easier for people to do business. then you get the reagan recovery. now you have obama supporting the fail failure. >> he put a trillion dollars into the economy and it will spark up at least temporarily. i think this issue of having to raise middle class taxes will be

a seminole event. it will not be a debate over the stimulus or healthcare. this will be a big deal that i always use my mom. my mom gets -- he said he wasn't going to raise her taxes if he does she will be -- >> people think because this is such a complicated issue they are thinking we are spending all of this money you are going to make me raise my taxes the natural thing is to think stop spending money on propping up a company that are going out of business. i think, though, that republicans don't want to give obama credit for the fact that like you said he did stave off armageddon and things are starting to slowly turn around. it's not going to happen fast enough. if it happened faster and people felt like unemployment rates were coming down he would probably be getting more credit. >> i want you ladies next week we will see you, because what i think is in play now is the midterm election, 2010 election. thank you ladies.

move down to our continuing probe of the michael jackson homicide. this is a fox news alert. last night you heard the pop star's father joe jackson live on the program. he wasn't live. he was live to tape on this program raising some provocative and troubling questions and making incendiary charges principally against aeg the promoter of that i will add advised 50 concert tour in london he told us he was afraid for his life and dr. conrad is likely to be indicted foreman slaughter was a stooj for those really responsible. >> you think somebody murdered michael and is trying to pin i on conrad norton? >> carrying out orders. in further conversations today joe jackson says one of the

reasons the family feared for michael's life was his isolation. according to joe in the last weeks and months of his life aeg ruthlessly controlled the pop star's access to the outside world everything to whom he saw to the doctor who allegedly provided the drug that killed him. here is joe from today. >> what do you think this suggests? >> >> there's more behind this because michael is the type of guy he loved to help everybody, i don't care who it was. at the same time, he knew he

could do ten. he was going to do all 50 shows like they are talking about there should have been spaces in between so he could do all of those. >> joe, did you ever see those track marks? >> i didn't see no marks. >> joe, did you ever have any conversations with michael about drugs? >> no, i never did. >> did you know what was going on? i mean they say you knew. >> i knew about the pain pills. that's as far as i knew. >> during the time that he was isolated and i have heard that from several sources, were you frustrated in your a tempts to reach out to your own son? >> oh, yes. i tried so many times.

(indiscernible). i went into the truck he was tearing it down. >> michael was isolated. his father just said he was tempted because he was excluded from answering michael jackson's rented mansion. joe says he was tempted to back his own truck up to the gate and tear it down. joining me from atlanta, georgia one of the jackson insiders also kept away from the king of pop in the last weeks of his life is concert promoter leonard r rowe who michael called roe. roe provided us with a written contract. here is his written contract. probably can't see it. this is a written contract dated march 25th, 2009 signed michael jackson. please be advised that effective in this state will leonard roe is my authorized representative in matters concerning my

endeavors in the entertainment industry. that goes on and on that's march 25th. another letter dated may 20th two months later a letter from michael jackson to you rowe saying after further consideration i decide to do streamline my business operations accordingly this is to inform you you do not represent me and i do not rish to have any oral, ore written communications regarding the my business or person personal matters. >> let me get to rowe. were you fired as part of a process to keep michael jackson isolated? was your firing engineered by aeg and part of the process to keep michael jackson isolated? >> let me sea this geraldo. first of all thank you for having me on the show. i never received a letter that you are referring to. michael jackson knew very well how to get in contact with me. he knew how to reach me by phone. he knew how to reach me by

e-mail. he also knew how to reach me by mail. >> be that as it may, did aeg keep you away from michael the way joe alleges they kept him and others away from michael? >> i believe they very well did. >> were they trying to isolate michael? just tell me row about that. >> in my eye sight they most certainly was trying to isolate michael. they didn't want people like me involved in michael's life. i wasn't paid by aeg. i was not one of their people. i was not paid by aeg. i wasn't controlled aeg. >> that he's layings was to what effect? why? why did they want to keep michael isolated. >> if you can he's late person people you can control mike you are in charge of his life. by booing in charge of his life you are in charge of everything that he does. >> everything from what he eats to the drugs he takes.

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>> the husband and you and him not being allowed in the house and all that kind of stuff. >> i don't know about his house.

>> kathleen jackson gave me specific permission to use that. you used the word conspiracy. >> producers they make more money when the play is a failure than when the play is a success. aeg makes more money with michael jackson dead than alive. >> stop right there coming back to rowe and our panel after this break.

>> we are live continuing -- >> the vision is out there somewhere i don't know how high it will be but it will be there somewhere. >> you believer dr. conrad is to blame for his death? >> ask me anything. i am a lawyer. >> they had od insurance, right. >> why did they have that? >> good yes.

why do you think? >> same thing you thing, geraldo. same thing. >> continuing linda rowe judge larry si seidlin. aeg denies that they prevented people from reaching him said it was michael's own discretion to whom he gave access to. be that as it may rowe tell me what you know about michael jackson's drug addiction in the period between march and may when you were this close to him with his brothers on a daily bases? >> geraldo let me say that. it was common knowledge that michael had a problem with drugs. everyone knows that. it was something that he was trying to solve. he was trying to get mike into a rehab center. he was trying to do that as late as a week before his death.

i also told a friend of aeg so they could discuss it with brandon phillips about michael's drug problem. i was looking for help from aeg to get him in a treatment center. everyone was well aware of the problems michael had. >> what family members did you try to roundup to help you intervene in jackson's stint into rehab? >> i was pretty successful. i placed a call to his father i placed a call to his older sister and also to his younger brother randy. everyone was on board. he was going to see other family members shortly after that after we gt the entire family on board so we could approach michael on the situation. >> is aeg's responsibility rowe in that not happening, in that

intervention not happening? >> let me tell you what i think their responsibility was is this. they were controlling michael at that point. they were controlling his finances like i have said numerous times. what they were telling michael to do he was doing to -- who to hire and who to fire. all i am saying is they should have suggested to michael that he go into a treatment center for treatment and i still believe if they had done that michael wouldn't have had no choice but to do that he would still be here with us now. >> o they say they were not awa or informed he was addicted to any drugs. >> this makes no sense. they want to say they don't have the responsibility. who hired the doctors. >> gave him the four-hour physical that he passed. >> super man super human in perfectly great health. give me a break. they totally knew. they had no credibility.

they are denying it across the board. why did the doctor have to live and sleep in the room with michael jackson. >> i bet rowe knows. why did he have to live and sleep in the room with michael jackson? >> whoever hired that doctor was paying that doctor's sally reshoure -- doctor's salary. should have read him his rights. no drugs for michael jackson other than those prescribed his personal physician. that should have been told to him. >> if you know who's drugs are the doctor closest to michael jackson? >> no. no. they should have protected his life. >> got to take another break. we will be back at the bottom of the hour. a smidge? y'know, there's really no need to weigh packages under 70 pounds. with priority mail flat rate boxes from the postal service, if it fits, it ships anywhere in the country for a low flat rate. cool. you know this scale is off by a good 7, 8 pounds. maybe five.

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>> i am lauren sivan. the white house says it is working with congress to look at benefits for those running out of money. they are getting by partisan support. democratic called them unamerican. funny people making serious money at u.s. theaters. >> i tried to built this cabinet i brought. >> the comedy star is getting 23 and a half million dollars. harry potter and the half blood prince g force the ugly truth

and aliens in the attic round out the top 5. back to geraldo at large. >> welcome back everybody. everybody knows that michael jackson's autopsy report has been delayed yet again after a meeting last thursday between the la county district attorney's office the cops and the coroner's office what we don't know is why. court records also released thursday show investigators are searching for evidence of communications between conrad murray and other doctors who treated the king of pop as they seek additional evidence to support a manslaughter charge. i want to go back to leona leon rowe, known as rowe to the jackson family. joe jackson made a statement and you were on the phone when he did, that the overdose possibility was specifically covered in the insurance col -- policy by aeg.

do you know that for a fact? >> no i don't know it for a fact but i was told by someone close to the insurance company that that's a fact. geraldo -- >> it would be 5 million they would receive. >> i heard it was more than that. i heard it was at least 2 possibly 3. >> let me say that. no one is speaking about the he knows for some reason. no one is speaking about the benefactor of the insurance. i think that needs to be highly investigated in most murder chases, cases of death mysterious death that's the first thing that's investigated is the insurance. especially when it's a person of the caliber of michael jackson. that needs to be thoroughly done. >> aeg in this one says that they don't know whether or not overdose is covered it depends on the circumstances of his

death. kind of a nonanswer on that. >> give me a break. >> give me a break is a fine rebuttal. how would you not know. >> absolutely. they have a huge motive to pros fit her. to suth -- suggest we are not sure what our policy covered is not believable at all. this is getting worse by the minute. they are going in on the court hearings happening tomorrow because they need to be there up front and center because they have very substantial financial interest in the outcome of all of these precedings. >> judge you presided over the case of anna nicole smith in florida. in tomorrow's court hearing the judge will be asked to ratify the agreement between catherine jackson and debbie rowe. is the judge bound to accept that? >> no, the judge isn't bound. there hasn't been one hearing yet. judges are government employees.

i used to say when the whale that rises gets har pooned. i believe the judge will extends this agreement. the judge won't want too many hearings. judges know they don't want the heat. i believe the judgment is fair and equitable. i believe the judge should absolutely accept that settlement agreement. >> rowe do you believe katherine is fighting the co executor of the estate? is that fight as bitter as it has been portrayed in the press? >> before i get into that can i say this about the children. i have been around ms. jackson numerous da days with her and t children and she is doing a fantastic job. if that judge does not accept that, he will be making a great mistake. i just want to say that.

as far as the tru trustee, i do know whether the michael wanted a trustee in place at the time of his death. maybe years before that he wanted them in place. but the question comes now did he want them in place at the time of his death? that's where we have to be take kean ir of through mrs. jackson. >> let me get the judge's comment on that. >> i am predicting to you tonight this will will be challenged. that in 2002 when he signed that will they are going to claim he was incompetent, he was under the influence of drugs because a few months later he was in a clinic. the jackson family is going to ask the court for instructions. mrs. jackson is going to say please your honor we don't want to lose the 40 percent but allow us the challenge the fact that these three trustees, i believe they are going to be the trustees. the executives are going to be the trustees. they are going to have a big

piece of the estate. >> how much do they get paid? >> 3 percent but it's a sliding scale. >> you are talking serious money. >> the boys are going to become very rich from this event that their names are in the will and i bet you right now if -- my condo in florida they are in the trust. >> can i say something? >> make the statement quick i have to move on. >> may i say sag about that? >> yes, go ahead. >> lisa marie and priscilla controls el vess -- elvis' estate. i think yoko own another controls john lennon he is skate. what's wrong with the jackson's controlling michael jackson's estate? why do they have to have outsiders to come in and -- >> the ob yut answer is -- (talking over one another) >> i totally am sympathetic.

>> in 02 he said that. >> i hear you. got it. now let me move on. as you recall there was at least a 30 minute delay between the time conrad murray says he found michael jackson unconscious and when a security man called 911. i believe 30 minutes. one theory is murray removed i am cripple naeting evidence from the room where he died. there's rumors of a coverup. >> we heard the desperate 911 call for help coming from michael jackson's rented home here. what you don't know is behind the scenes story in terms of what's happened and why the call to 911 took so long to go out. we have an investigative producer and reporter he spent time reporting on this. what happened? >> at 12:11 paramedics were

called to the scene. they didn't recognize michael jackson. took several men's to realize who they were working on. >> an award winning journalist chopper bob for his aerial photography of breaking news. he has sources that witnessed the dramatic scene in jackson's bedroom the night of his collapse. >> mr. jackson's pupils were fixed and dilated. it was clear he suffered brain damage. >> dr. conrad murray reportedly admitted to administering profess propofol. >> police raided his warehouse in houston and his home and office in las vegas looking for evidence of manslaughter and a possible coverup after finding propofol in dozens of other drugs hidden in jackson's bedroom closet. >> they weren't here over 30 minutes. there was another vehicle out

here that was getting them in it was his old vehicle. >> whether the wear highways was cleared out is being investigated. he has turned up other hard evidence of another potential coverup on the day michael died. >> your investigator followed the person who left michael jackson's residents the night that he died to this location? >> that's correct. >> what did they see? >> they observed a gentlemen exit a vehicle and had something in his hand, went to this trash dumpster this gate was open at the time and deposited it in that dumpster several bottles of a generic version of oxycontin. >> these are the bottles he claims his investigative producer pulled from the trash bin the night jackson died. >> this is an empty bottle of oxycontin. it's actually called ox co dine hydrochlori hydrochloride. this is the generic version of the powerful pain-killer. this is another bottle and in it

are 25 oxycontin generic cab lets in the dose of 80 milligrams. that's a val -- volume bottle it appears there's a prescription on it and an empty bottle that once contained volume -- valium. >> prescription pads were allegedly found dumped with the drugs. >> what they have not proved ladies and gentlemen is that dr. murray is responsible for dumping those drugs or that the empty prescription pads had anything to do with michael jackson. the investigation obviously continues. craig heard an interesting story. dr. conrad murray from a guy of all things in a strip club? >> i was on my way to the airport i got a phone call from anonymous source they said i have something i want you to know about conrad murray. i work in a strip club and we

have seen conrad murray numerous times during the time that michael jackson was rehearsing at the staples center. 6, 7 times they said he was spending money like a drunk el sailor had dirt about michael to the girls trying to impress them. it was something that was disturbing to this person who called in. >> here's the scenario. another possibility and it's only a positive eblt. conrad murray has beeninging out in t -- hanging out in the stri clubs wildlife getting 150 grand per month spending money he doesn't have. he starts admin terri ster -- administering the propofol, he falls asleep the stuff is still dripping in michael. >> he's drinking, staying out. hanging out with the strippers with the ladies he is supposed to be giving something he shouldn't be giving at home. that helps the da make the case

against him implied malimalice. total disregard to human safety. >> dr. michael baden are you on the phone? >> yes, geraldo. >> can you remind us how and de war hole died? >> and de war hal died because the nurse taking care of him after a gal bladder procedure fell asleep and he got too much fluids and too much medication and he died in a hospital because the nurse hired to watch him, private nurse fell asleep. >> do you credit the possibility -- i don't want to go over board. >> geraldo, in order for diprivan to work the way it is alleged michael jackson wanted to go to sleep it had to be given in a continuous drip for as many hours as he wants to go to sleep. there's a advi physician there oxygen and epinephrin to keep his blood pressure up constantly

monitoring him. if he fell asleep the doctor doing this fell asleep during the procedure he would wake up and find his charge dead. >> that's why he will be indicted for murder. >> dr. baden, remember that michael jackson was warned getting this diprivan at home. dr. murray did not have an ekg he did not have a pulse om ter these would have alarms which would alert a nurse a doctor on duty there was a critical situation happening with michael jackson which could have caused him -- >> change. hold on everybody. i want to give you this before we leave the topic. steven hop lynn the doctor who gave two startling suppositions yesterday one that murray has already or is about to cop a plea and finger another doctor arnold klein who he says is the

one who is really responsible for the diprivan. we have satisfied ourselves to our satisfaction that hop lynn was authorized to speak on behalf of the jacksons. be right back.

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>> the evidence seems compelling in this case. this week we saw something deeply troubling the arrest and this is what the lady waugz talking about, 7 north carolina residents on charges of supporting terrorism and conspireing who commit murder abrade it includes daniel bat trick boyd in north carolina and his two sons. boyd is an american born citizen converted to he is lamb years ago received terror training in back stan and returned to north carolina apparently charged with waging holy war against israel and against american interests overseas. coming as they did in the wake of other home grown cases these arrests coming in the wake of other cases like this guy brian venus in long islands enormous limb convert. the arrest in the boyd case closed the current attorney

general eric holder to say, that's one of the things that is particularly troubling the whole nation radicalization of americans leaving this country and going to different starts of the world and coming back all in the aim of doing harm to the american people is of great concern says eric holder. alberto gonzalez joins us and michael former chief of the cia bin laden unit. welcome. it's pretty easy, if indeed the government's case is true and i don't know some other cases have been brought to here they are troubling to me they seem sketchy when that the evidence seems stronger. the boys could have easily melted into a crowd at the shopping mall. how do we protect ourselves against radical americans hiding

among us? >> the real concern geraldo is that americans don't have to go overseas because of the inlt net we are seeing radicalization here in the united states. because we are talking about american citizens in most cases you are talking about people who understand our culture. they have passports. they present very unique and difficult challenges for the law enforcement community. >> you know what gets me, michael i am going to ask you about the allegation boyd had some connection to the cia and kinds of an inside connection. i will ask you that in a second. the suitcase nuke scenario. it's not another world trade center attacked by hijacked airplanes i don't think you will get another hijacked airplane any time soon but they are

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>> welcome back everybody. before we move on i want to acknowledge give our c condolens and congratulations to the family of navy pilot scott spiker shot down on the first day of the first golf war in 1991. he had been deemed missing in action they thought he was missing and captured. they have finally recovered his remains and the president of the united states says of captain michael scott spiker the news that captain spiker's he remains have been recovered is a

reminder of the selfless service that led him to make the selfless sacrifice of our freedom. we remain steadfast in our determination to bring our american heroes home. found after these many years, he is coming home soon. thank goodness for that. what about the allegation that boyd this guy went over there with the commies they will cut off the hands cia intervened to save him he was a cia asset. he went home and the rogue agents cia his hands were dirty. >> it's typical. when somebody gets in trouble they cop a plea from the cia. there was no u.s. individuals who were sponsored by the agency or united states government to fight in afghanistan. that's just nonsense.

>> so you think this guy boyd is a creepy terrorist and for whatever reason turned renegade trader. >> what he is is a concert. they are much more eager to prove this than regular people grew up in a particular religion. he trained according to the newspapers in the 92 period when he was going against the russians and afghan communists. i was inspired his religion. i think it's a mistake to think he's a nut cake? >> if he was a nut case i would have said so. john gonzalez is it easier to prosecute him because he's an american a mainstream american and clearly followed this disillusionments.

>> it depends on the circumstances. if we are talking about action he took overseas for example we will be able to get injuries ti -- jurisdiction over witnesses. there are alter unique challenges when you are talking about prosecution a domestic or foreign ter rests. we are really depends upon the circumstances. >> are you as equally troubled as eric holder that this is the new wave the next wave americans will be recruited? >> i begin every workday with a morning briefing with the fbi director we would receive a briefing from the cia analyst and fbi agents and we would from time to time receive reports about investigations of domestic terrorism. this is something that has been withs for many years. yes, i am concerned about it as is general holder. >> you can sur veil the muslim community and you get these guys red blooded americans hanging out on their farm some place and all of a sudden they are

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