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of the time we have left this evening. we will be back here tomorrow. do not forget that friday we do the show live from san francisco, but we toss it to greta van susteren, standing by to go on the record. greta: crasser and voters on fire. many voters are fighting mad and not backing off. there are barbecuing members of congress about health care. we are going to show you. plus, minn. it politician -- minnesota governor pawlenty is here. plus, you know that most politicians willç not read the health-care bill of $1,100, but they can at least do what we did today. all it takes is a car. we did that. and eyes wide open. stick around. we will tell you. p @ and good news. they are in the air right now, headed back home, two american journalists heading to freedom
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with former president bill clinton. we will show you pictures of the former president bill clinton and the reclusive kim jong il. historic but coming up, but first, if you think people are not angry about health care, watch this. a congressman from my home town in wisconsin found out the tough way. he faced off with voters at a town hall. >> those of you who want government out of health care -- [yelling] >> you are exempt from it. >> in node! --no! [cheers and applause]
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>> [yelling] >> read the book. more bureaucracy! >> read the bill! read the bill! greta: one person says that it is less an opposition and more like astroturf, and rush limbaugh does not like it. >> i find itç interesting that the democrats are starting to refer to these towncar meetings as unruly mobs, we cannot promise security -- we are referring to these town hall meetings as unruly mobs. no, these are citizens. what these democrats are
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accusing you of doing it at these town-hall meetings is exactly what obama taught people to do. heç is the community agitator. he is the community organizer. he is the guy who taught people to show up at events over and over again and read people up, tear them down, disrupt them, and make sure it does not happen, and now, it is happening to them, it is not a ginned up, is genuine. -- not gin up. it is genuine. -- not ginned up. >> i will answer any questions they have. if they want to come over to the white house and answered line by line what is going on, i will be happy to do that. greta: but is president obama even going to read this bill? listen closely to press secretary robert gibbs. >> will be president read the entire health-care bill?
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-- will the president read it? >> i assume the president will study details of the proposal and will be -- he is a highly informed individual. i do not know what his vacation plans are. greta: minnesota governor tim pawlenty is a big opponent of president obama's health care plan. >> that look like a pack thursday. greta: that may even be a little bit rougher. as the providers -- that looked like a packers game. >> you have the government competing with the private sector. what is next, greta? if you do not like the price of your toilet paper, are we going to have a government store come in? number two, employers, if they refuse or do not provide health
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çinsurance to employees, they will have to pay a tax on their payroll or business? that will result in 5 million jobs being lost. that is the last thing the economy needs right now, and these are just three examples out of many. they want to m&a states to dramatically expand medicaid. it is already a program that is broke -- they want to go into the states and dramatically expand medicaid. this will cause more cause problems, not save money. greta: çi assume that all the american people want good quality health care, affordable, and want everyone to have the opportunity to get it. what is it you would suggest if you do not like the democratic plan? >> mass., of course, has the least number of uninsured in the country, but we cannot, greta, just talk about expanding access to healthcare. that is one important goal, but
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first and foremost, we have to get control of the cause. that is not what they are proposing. in fact, -- control of the cost. they are not going to save money by spending money. first of all, medical malpractice reform, clean up the junk lawsuits. greta: is that a problem in minnesota? >> not as bad as in some areas, but we could get some efficiencies there. denial is based on pre-existing conditions. portability. -- denials based on pre-existing conditions. electronic prescribing. and now people to purchase assurance across state lines -- purchase insurance. the consumers and the providers have no incentive to control costs. if you are a consumer, after your copay are deductible, you bet no incentive to manage or control costs, because it is essentially free to you.
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-- you have no incentive. we have to rearrange that so that the people are consuming the services and providing it have incentives to save money. greta: paying for results, not paying for procedure, how do you measure that? how did you ascertain results? >> two ways we do it is through a program, a place like the mayo clinic -- i know you towards the cleveland clinic, and the mayo clinic is a world-class institution -- i know you toward -- toured the cleveland clinic. in our state employee plan and others, we are saying to the consumers, "you can go anywhere you want, but if you choose to go somewhere very expensive with bad results, you are going to pay more." guess where they go? they go to places that have better results and are more efficient, and there have been 0% premium increases.
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greta what about the health-care plans? >> massachusetts has made good progress in expanding access, but what they did not do is control costs, so now you see that program when the above, so they let go of cost control in favor of access, and now they have a problem. greta: you areç not running for reelection, and you do not answer the question about running for president, so let me go through the back door the and what are the pros and cons in terms of running for president? -- the back door. what are the pros and cons? >> i do not think like that. my wife wants me to take the dog out. we do not talk about running for president. seriously, greta, anyone focusing on 2012 is misguided and not doing our team a good service. greta: is not in 2010, in 2012, what are you doing -- if not in 2010? you really have not thought about running for president?
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>> i am committed to helping my party. greta: you know what i do not believe prove that you have never thought about it. >> i do not know. -- you know what i do not believe proves that you have never thought about it. i am not trying to be cute with you -- you know what i do not believe? greta: howarth the vikings going to do? >> we would have been -- how are the vikings going to do? >> we would do well. greta: governor, nice to see you, sir. up next, if members of congress will not bother to read the health-care bill, will they at least to do what we did today? we are really going to show you what your congressman should be doing about health care during their recess. -- what your congressmaen should be doing. and here is a clear with
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greta: as the health-care battle rages on, on the record" is doing what they should be doing. today, we went to aç hospital that worked very well, the cleveland clinic, and we ask questions. we talked to doctors to work everyday -- "on the record" is doing what they should be doing. first, we talked to a doctor, the ceo of the cleveland clinic, about what needs to be done to really fix health care in this country. the discussion in washington about health-care reform. you are a practicing doctor. you run a hospital. are we on the right track?
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what is your idea of how we can make it better? i know you would like to see every hospital like your own, but -- >> well, i am concerned. i am concerned because the discussion has gone to a discussion that is about insurance reform and about access, and it is not about quality or cost, and we are not going to get quality or cost under control. we are just going to cost shift until such time as we begin to address the delivery system and the burden of disease, and we talked about the burden of disease in terms of diseases people get from their behavior -- greta: cigarettes, eating, obesity. >> exactly. greta: so i am taking it that you do not think obesity is a good thing? >> it costs twice as much for somebody who is obese than for somebody who is normal weight.
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it decreases the productivity of people, and it accounts for essentially 20 years of aging. if you are 40 years old and obese, it is the equivalent of being 60 years old as far as health goes. two-thirds of the american public is overweight, and many are over -- obis. we see 3.5 million visits per year. -- are obese. we hospitalized about 175,000. >>greta: out of that many, manyo are here because obesity played a part of >> -- how many are here? it is a little less than one- third >> right. a major portion, -- it is a little less than one-third.
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>> right. a major portion. you are twice the incidence of heart disease, twice the incidence of cancer. i mean, it just goes right up. greta: so we are rightç to cut off at the pass if we can deal with obesity, starting now, and 25 or 30 years from now, we will pick it up on that end? >> absolutely. and some people think it is worth $50 per lb in what you lose in terms of health care. greta: in terms of getting out trans fat, listing the calories, have been made any effort if the people have lost weight? >> absolutely. we have given them free we watchers, free curves, free access to our athletic facilities, and as a result, in the loss six months, they have lost 90,000 pounds. >> how many? >> 6000. greta: that is extraordinary. >> yes, and it is good.
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periodically, and somebody will come and give me a hug because they have lost a 30 or 40 pounds, and we talk all the trans fat out of all of the food. greta: how long ago? >> one year ago, and if you look here, for example, all of these things have the number of calories a seceded with them. we serve no fried foods. greg go to there are no fried foods at all? >> no. -- greta: there are no fried foods and op-ed's >> no. -- there are no fried foods? >> a note. ç-- no. greta: how many members to you have? >> 3500. greta: they buy a membership, it gets it charged to their credit card. people who use this, do they record what they are doing? do you have record-keeping so
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you have a baseline? like i swam two last three years ago, and now i can swim tent? ç>> yes, 10 times a month, and you get a $100 bonus. greta: really? >> yes. greta: that is encouraging. whatever happened to the president's physical fitness thing? when you and i were in school. >> it did not do a damn thing in terms of obesity. one thing is that you have to get employers to understand that. i mean, right now, we have put together a program where we get more than our money back by getting people healthier. we save money. greta: that is the promise. the whole idea of making people healthier so that 30 years from now -- >> no, right now. right now. there are more productive.
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they feel better. their health-care costs go down, so we pay for them when they are sick. greta: i thought when you're talking about a wellness program, this was for the long term. you say if we start getting better today, we would feel the cost today? >> absolutely. absolutely. greta: up next, the cleveland clinic lets you in on its secret to success. can other hospitals do this? plus, a lot of north korea, at this hour, two journalists and one former president on their way home -- out of north korea. the latest, coming up.
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greta: the cleveland clinic is one of the best clinics in the world. but also keep costs low. how? this hospital has been a model hospital -- but they also keep costs low. costs. you're able to do that. >> yes, and one of the reasons i think for that is a couple fall. first of all, all of us are employed -- is a couple fold.
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we get paid a fixed salary. right, for example,ç i as a het surgeon, it did not make any difference if i did three operations or five operations a day. greta: is it the way of the doctors? is that the with the doctors are on staff? >> it is the model of care. we're all a big team, and we are all pulling the same direction, çand what is excess income is plugged back into the organization. greta: why cannot other organizations do this? >> well, i think it is the model. very few have this model where the docs are all employed. they are all independent individuals that come in. it is not the integration, and integration is not what goes around one hospital. we are integrated in
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northeastern ohio in a series of hospitals. >> ideally, we are going to get rid of all of these some day, these records? >> yes. these are just the active records. greta: , my god. these are active records? >> yes. and look back of these -- look back this way. we are gradually moving to electronics. we move to about 80% reduction in the calls for these records on a daily basis, so, gradually, what is happening is that these are being phased out. greta: so these are the electronic records? >> yes. we had a mix of paper records as well as a mix of antiquated computer systems. this is actually very nice. >> we had to go and get the paper records, and now, you can çjust look for electronically d click on what you want to filter
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out. images from before. you can load up images on to the computer here -- on to the çcomputer here. >> he started getting chest pain and ended up calling the nurse on call, and then a series of events, starting last, sunday morning? early? greta: what did you get? did you get horrible chest pains? >> it was on and off. greta: heavy? or did you think you had in digestion? >> i thought it was in digestion. -- indigestion. >> i thought it was indigestion. i welcome my wife up, she drove me down. we got in there, and they had seen something that they were
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not sure about, but they called the cleveland clinic, and it was communicated down here, and they came over and got me over here. a little bit between 5:00 and 5:30, and i had had a heart attack. they had gone in and seen. >> çcardiac catheterization. >> cardiac catheterization. >> and, see, i think there are two things there. greta: that was sunday, two days ago? >>ç cey, what happened, first f all, the transportation system moved him at the right place at the right time, and he did not bring any records with him, and the electronic medical record came with him. greta: before he even got here? >> before he got here. i think you have to drive
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efficiency, and one of the things of this system does is drive efficiency. for example, purchasing. across our system, we have more than $1 billion. greta: do we won an nba or a doctor? -- do we want an m.b.a. or a doctor? >> i will give you my body is. it is easier to teach a doctor about business than it is to teach an m.b.a. about medicine -- i will give you my bias. greta: this is where you receive all of your supplies? >> all of the products come through here. greta: everything comes through here every day, and how do you move it through the facility? >>ç that is where it's excitin. greta: ok, show me. -- where it gets exciting. >> the exciting way is over here. çautomatic.
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greta: this is it? >> this is it. we will go underneath there. greta this a little robot? -- greta: this little robot? where do you get something like that if i want something like that for my house? >> this was actually purchased from the company over in europe. greta: it is talking. >> it will tell you if it is going to move. it will tell you if you stand in front of it to please move. greta: what is it doing right now? >> it is picking up bokelmann and for a hospital. greta: where is it going to go -- is picking up bulk linen,. >> it will flash. greta: it is coming in. watch out. you can see the complete video of our entire visit to the
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cleveland clinic on gretawire tomorrow. we will put it there. and up next, freedom and heading home. two journalists are in the air. they are heading home. we have pictures of the historic meeting betweenç president clinton and the dear leader kim jong il. and later, this will unglue you. bank of america, who you bailed out, just got slapped with a big fine. the question is for what? is your money being used to pay the fine? dick morris is coming up. you are one person, but you can move a nation.
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years of hard labor in a prison camp. >> president bush went to talk to kim jong-il, and they were released. the two young women are on route to the united states, and they will stop to refuel and then lands in california. lawrence eagleburger joins us. nice to see you, mr. secretary. why did north korea pardon those two women? what did they get? >> what they got was a visit by a former president of the united states, for one, and then, beyond that, there is always the question of whether he promised something else. i personally doubt it everybody else, but if you listen to everyone commenting tonight, you would think we had given away the store. that is not my view at all. greta: what is your view? >> well, i think basically is what you see is what you get. by the way, what other country in the world would send a former head of state to go over there
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to pick up two girls, two people, who had been falsely imprisoned? i think it is a good gesture on the part of the united states. i do not think anything is wrong with it. çthis ponca that runs north koa is no better off than before clinton went there -- this pa unk. we got these two american citizens, who probably should have stayed further away from the border than they did, but they were sentencedç to 12 yeas of hard labor, not coming home, and i think that is worth a lot in terms of american citizenship, and i think the former president did it, and i think he should be complimented for doing it. greta: jimmy carter went in the early 1990's, and north korea wanted something out of that, which was the agreed framework that was developed between the two countries, and, of course, at the problem with north korea keeping their part of the bargain, and eventually fell
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apart, but they wanted something, and they got something, so you think right here that this was just something of honor? that the united states said someone of stature and that they are not looking for something else -- sent someone of stature? >> i think what the north korean scott was a visit by a former president of the united states -- what the north korean got was a visit by a former president of united states, who has been quite ill, and it probably strengthen him at home of a little bit as well. there is some -- it probably strengthens -- strengthened him. i do not know what it is that we could have given to the leader or to the north koreans other than what they got, which was a visit. what are we going to give them later on to be shown that we
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gave them something2that would not be an embarrassment to the administration? so i do not think there is anything big enough that would have in any way bought this fellow off other than the visit itself, and i would be surprised if he got anything else, and if he got something, i doubt it is very much,ç so i am still going to say to you that they got the visit, and that is what they wanted. greta former president bill clinton going to north korea, -- greta: former president bill clinton going to north korea, he did this in any way up stage secretary of state hillary clinton -- going to north korea, did this in any way upstage the secretary? >> i think it did a little bit, and it puts president clinton back in line, and he did it with some ganache, and he is now on television, so i think it
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probably upstages him a little bit -- but some panache. if we were to come back and try to talk about it one week from now, almost everybody will have forgotten. this is not a big event, despite the fact that some of you had preceded you, on the channel, i thought they were going to let their pets because they were so upset about it. -- they were going to wet their pants because they were so upset about it. greta: the president has got to get an ok from somebody to go, does he not? what are the mechanics for former president clinton to go to north korea? >> well, on the american side, he has to get the ok from the president, and i assume he did that. he could have done it from the secretary of state, but nonetheless, he has got that permissions. or is, going to north korea, in addition to giving the ok from
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the northç korean authorities,e almost certainly went to through beijing or at least let the chinese government know what he was going to do. i do not know what his flight plan was, but i would be surprised, in fact, if he did not have to overflight some part of china or at least come close to add some part -- if he did not have to overfly some part of it. they gave him an ok, as well. and i think, basically, he had to get the president's ok, and he had to get the ok of both the korean authorities, who probably fell all over themselves to give it to him, and they probably had to get the ok from the chinese, and that probably did not take long, either. greta: thank you, sir. >> my pleasure, man. greta: up next, we do not want to report it, but we will -- my
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the record" and head, but first, we go to ainsley earhardt in our new york news -- "on the record" ahead. >> four people were killed, and 11 injured, some critical, when a gunman entered a crowded l.a. fitness through the back door and then started opening fire. no word now onç how the gunman died. iran's president sworn in for a second term, mahmoud ahmadinejad opponents will gather in front of parliament to protest the ceremony. at least 20 people of been killed and hundreds arrested since the june election, -- 20 people have been killed. i and ainsley earhardt. we now return to "on the record with greta van susteren." thank you for watching the fox news station. if you would like more information, check out our website, foxnews.com. greta: so where is the cash?
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the spending explodes like never before being we are learning how badly we are being starved. 18% drop in tax revenue, the worst single-year drop since the great depression. meanwhile, in other financial news, bank of america as been slapped by the securities and exchange commission with a $33 million fine, accused of lying to investors about billions of dollars in bonuses the bank paid out. joining us is a senior economics writer for "the wall street journal" editorial page. steve moore. >> when will wall street executives ever learn? we do not know how much has been paid out, but there were planning on paying out $5 billion in bonuses. that is a lot of money. greta: not only did they get ok, the $5 billion in bonuses, ok, all right, the sec said that they lied, and they are paying a $33 million penalty.
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@ scot-free. nor the people who got paid bonuses -- not the lawyers -- liars. they get off scot-free. >> nor the people who got baby bonuses. the people are the shareholders company who got luted by these executives. every time we talk about this story, i get angry email that says that steve moore does not believe in the free enterprise system -- who got looted by these executives. greta some executives blige, and i cannot believe that there is not some criminal statute. >> they are not criminally liable. greta, some executives lied -- greta: some executives lied.
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>> if you lie on financial statements, and, essentially, that is what they did. they hid that they owed this money. but $5 billion, a lot of these guys probably walked off with $100 million in bonuses. and the company lost money, greta. that is the thing. it is not pay for performance. it is a formal performance. -- it is paid for now performanceç -- pay for mal foreman's. greta: it turns out -- mal performance. >> in the investment community, they believe that bank of america and merrill lynch got awa[=q5ñfree. the stock actually went up in value after they paid the $33 million fine, because a lot of people thought they were going
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to be fined more than that. maybe they should have been. greta: the tax revenues are down. what are we going to do about that one? >> as you said, we have got an 80% decline in tax revenue for the first time in seven years, and we are spending money -- we have an 18% decline in tax revenue. no household can do this, no household can increase their spending. this is why it over the next 10 years, we are looking at a budget deficit of $10 trillion. greta: people are looking at the spending, not looking at this more basically. how does the government collect its money? and when we have an unemployment rate up to 50% in detroit, the government is not collecting money -- up to 15% in detroit. >> they are always talking about eagle windfall profits. they did not make as much profit this year. -- these eagle windfall profits.
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57% reduction in corporate income tax receipts -- evil windfall profits. greta: and bank of america has to pay because someone lied. bank of america is off in profits. >> and those that have got the millions of dollars are probably lying on the beach right now. greta: i shouldç probably check before i am sarcastic if i have bank of america or not. up next, the best of the rest. who was caught on camera shirtless? start guesting. president obama approve or vladimir puvi$(lc@&c+ the city -- stargell guesting -- start guessing. i was always going having to go in the middle of traffic and just starting and stopping. having to go in the middle of a ballgame
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greta: well, you have seen our top stories, but here is the best of the breast. let this beç a lesson to you. you never know where you are going to meet your spouse. to show her support to the troops, one a woman wrote a letter addressed to "and a soldier." and who is the letter that fortuitously got that letter? --"any "anyç soldier."
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she searched for him on facebook and found him. they ended up connecting, reconnecting, met in person, and guess what? they got married. they believe faith brought them together. and a man as simultaneously set a world record for the longest was per chain and proposed to his girlfriend at the same time. the message "will you marry me to be reached one lucky lady at the end of the line. -- "will be very may -- "will yu marry me" reached one lucky lady at the end of the line, but it was a "will you carry maine -- me?
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here is another story. a man was giving a jaywalking ticket after he got out of his car and ushered 11 geese safely across the highway. the man said he tried to stop traffic because he was afraid they would be hit by oncoming cars. they say the man ran out and almost caused a pilot. some good news. today, the judge gave him a pass, saying the man probably broke the law, but the case will be thrown out if he stays out of trouble for six months. çasked about the decision, the geese only responded by honking. president vladimir putin certainly likes to take his shirt off. in this shot, the former kgb officer shows off his swimming skills, demonstratingç the butterfly stroke, and shows he is an animal lover, feeding a horse from his hand. he apparently camped out
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overnight and went white water rafting on the trip. the publicity shots are showing impaired chested. -- showing him their chest. and our president was fully clothed today -- showing him bare chested. today was the president's 48th birthday. helen thomas also celebrated a birthday today, and it turns out that they both celebrate something else. >> she and i also have a common birthday wish, because she wants a real health-care reform bill. i will leave it up to you, helen. how do you want to distribute the cupcakes with greta: by the way, it is also our colleague bret baier's birthday -- distribute the cup dates? -- cupcakes?
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call or go online now to get started. greta: 11:00 is almost here. flashed those studio lights. last call. what does president obama what for his birthday -- flash those lights. >> president obama turns 48 tomorrow. joe biden is giving him 24 hours of complete silence. he will love that. greta: that is your last call. lights are blinking, and we are closing downç shot. we will see you tomorrow. do not forget to go to gretawire.com. tell us what you think about the cleveland clinic -- we are closing down shop. we will see you tomorrow at 10:00 p.m. eastern. 10:00 p.m. eastern.