we have a big show lined up for tomorrow. [captioning made possible by fox news channel] captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org-- bill: this is a fox news alert. will there be a breakthrough in health care today? there is a critical meeting taking place where six key senators will examine the issue. there is a continuing story outside of washington, those pesky town hall meetings on health care. at times, it has been a nightmare for lawmakers, many getting an earful about anger over health care reform. some critics say that the anchor is staged. the nancy pelosi is entering the debate. -- anger is staged. >> you be the judge.

the bill, you think those comments are going to help diffuse the tension? -- bill: you think those comments are going to help diffuse the tension? megyn: despite the democrats' claims that the anger at these town halls is manufactured, polls show that these so-called mobsters are not alone. karl rove is with us to see how things are shaping up for the president and his attempts at health care reform, and it is not good. bill: first, mike emanuel from the white house. how does the administration view these town hall meetings? >> they believe that some of this anger is being created.

robert gibbs said that they are perhaps sending people in to create youtube-type videos to create some anger around the country. bill: on the republican side, maybe give us their perspective as to why these meetings are so significant to them. >> republicans do not have the white house, senate, or house, and they feel like health care reform is being shoved down their throat. let us take a listen to senator jim demint. >> people need not show up at town halls and demonstrate at my office back home, at this thing is going to pass. >> basically, he is in acknowledging that the only

chance that they have is public outrage. he did get an earful from one woman asking about health care. he asked if she was paid to be there, that she said, no. bill: thank you, mike. you decide for yourself. megyn: so who are these people speaking at these town hall meetings? you heard nancy pelosi's comment. she also writes -- she also says -- does that sound right to you? >> at this point in my life, i

have never thought that i would see america turn into what it has turned into. [applause] our representatives are not going to be able to do anything. megyn: look at the woman who is next in line. do you think she is on a twitter taking her directives from the far right conspiracy? do you think she came directly from the tea party? bill: we will be showing you these images. our cameras were not there, so we are getting this secondhand. we're just trying to share with you what happened.

i have never gone to a meeting with mike connors then back home in ohio. i know you have not you there. -- with my congressman back home in ohio. i would assume that they would get maybe a dozen people, but we are seeing hundreds and hundreds of people show up. megyn: we are going to ask karl rove if it makes sense for the democrats to dismiss these people as extremists who have no point to make, instead of listening and dealing with what they say woul. many have said that these demonstrations is manufactured. bill: a new poll shows president obama's job rating hitting its

lowest point since taking office. half of registered voters think the president is doing a good job, but 42% disapproved. in one month, the approval rating has fallen seven percentage points. in the meanwhile, this approval ratings have increased nine percentage points. later in the broadcast we will break down what else needs numbers reveal. megyn: public support for the health-care overhaul is dropping as the price tag keeps growing. now concerned that the cbo estimate of $1 trillion over the next decade may just be a drop in the bucket. those costs could explode in the years after president obama leaves office. stu varney is with us now. cbo says 10 years, $1 trillion. what is the concern now? >> the congressional budget

office studied the numbers. in the next 10 years, the amount of money flowing out to pay for health care would be a blowout, meanwhile, the money coming in to pay for it would be restricted. they pointed to an enormous budget deficit because of health care reform as it is not formulated. there is a second member to look at. they looked at me idea of an insurance exchange. in the next 10 years, it may cost $1.42 trillion. so we cannot get away from this number, so therefore, we cannot get away from a middle-class tax hike. megyn: i know a lot of people are worried about cost. they have their estimate about who is not injured. but are they taking into

account the likely influx of people to the public insurance plan when employers and go on to that plan? is the government taking into account the influx of those passes when it does its caucus on this. -- on this? -- its calculus on this? >> yes, they had. those are all factored into the cbo projections. by the way, these predictions are pretty rosy. if you look at former predictions of health care costs, they were terrible. in the 1960's, there was a production that in the 1990's, health care would cost $12

billion. if the predictions about this health care reform are equally wrong, we will have ourselves a catastrophe. megyn: thank you. bill: this is not the summer vacation lawmakers were not hoping for. voters showing up in droves at these town hall meetings, expressing concern over health care and whether or not it is necessary. >> why do we have to change and get something that y'all came in with? bill: we will speak with karl rove about this issue. megyn: she has a right wing extremist written all over her.

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bill: if you were with us yesterday, we were tracking the movements of the white house to tell apart, indiana, where the president stopped to talk about health care and the economy. he said health care would get done this year. >> i promise you we will pass

reform by the end of the year because the american people need it. the american people need some relief. we are going to have to make it happen. bill: that was his view yesterday. how about today? turning off your cell phone? >> no, i dropped a piece of paper. bill: clearly, you have a different view of this. it was like and joe namath in 1969, making guarantees about health care. he also said that he would have a bill out of congress by the end of the year. if you are going to get health care reform by the end of the year, what does that look like? >> well, we do not know.

perhaps something scaled back from what they have. what they have been talking about, this comprehensive plan that the president is pushing, is becoming increasingly unpopular. you featured a poll earlier in the show that asked about his approval of handling health care. 39 percent approve, 52% disapprove. that disapproval rating has grown six points in one month. all the rest of the numbers in the poll about health care, 66% believe it will increase taxes. 36% believe it will hurt the quality of health care. bill: why do you think this erosion is happening? >> the longer people look at this, the worse it looks. remember, the fundamental problem president obama faces,

by and large, as seen in this poll, is that 84% of americans are comfortable with the health care they are getting. when you look at the people who are not getting insurance, nearly 10 million of them are illegal aliens. 3/5 of them make $50,000 or more a year. one-fifth of them make what $75,000 -- $75,000 or more a year. if you look at it, roughly over 10% of that 47 million are among the working poor who do not qualify for medicaid or a government program and do not earn enough to have coverage. that is 5 million americans. that is what president of -- obama wants to do, change the system to help 5 million americans. so is a huge price tag,

government intrusion, funding this by tax increases, and very big cuts in medicare. bill: let me use your words from your piece in "mall street journal." it reads in part -- if the white house were arguing with you, they would say this is where you are trying to scare people. >> first of all, president obama has already broken his promise of raising taxes on people making less than $250,000 a year. his energy bill taxes everyone in america that uses a light switch or buys anything. in the house, the health care

bill, there are four taxes. there is a tax for people who use their health savings account to buy drugs. there is a tax on employers. $163 billion will be paid for by working people. there is a 2 brunn 5% tax on policies the government deemed to be inappropriate. there is a 2% levy on anyone with health insurance. on the bill the house is working on, there are four tax increases that will fall on the middle americans. the president plans to pay this through tax increases in medicare cuts. that is nearly half a trillion worth of cuts in the next 10 years. bill: you also say the message so far has been incoherent. for a president who is known for

his speaking ability and his ability to communicate, why has this been so difficult? >> i think they are doing too much polling. six months into the debate they have decided it is all about vilifying insurance companies. you cannot say that you are going to decrease the deficit and then introduce a program like this. bill: thank you. megyn: a new twist in the case of madeleine mccann who disappeared more than two years ago. the families investigators say there may be a major break in the case. bill, democratic party leaders not happy -- bill: democratic party leaders not happy, calling these people protesting at town hall meetings planned.

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megyn: 6 north carolina men accused of planning by that jihad overseas will remain behind bars until their trial. eight men were indicted on charges of plan to provide material to terrorists, including kidnapping and maiming people overseas. a federal judge has now ruled six of them are a flight risk. a seventh suspect requested a translator. " prosecutors showed itself on video of one suspect firing his gun. investigators testified they found thousands of rounds of

ammunition, weapons, gas masks, and other materials at the home of the suspected ringleader. authorities are still searching for the eighth suspect. bill: in tinker fire shutting down a busy overpass. state troopers say the tanker and 7,300 gallons of fuel when off the road. firefighters decided to let the remaining fuel in the tanker burned off. state police expect the path to reopen tomorrow. megyn: around the town halls packed -- popping up across america are hitting a nerve to. even the leader of the conservative blue dog democrats, arkansas congressman mike roth,

got an earful back home. >> i do not support single payer system. we do not support that. >> that is what obama wants. >> yes it is! >> we have seen it on the tv, over and over again. megyn: top democrats like nancy pelosi and others say that these concerns are not real. take a listen to barbara boxer. >> i saw some of the clips of people storming a town hall meeting. the last time i saw people doing this when -- was when al gore asked me to go down to florida to look at the recounting of the ballot. they kept screaming to me, go back to california. i finally said to them, ronald reagan is from california, show

some respect. then they quieted down. you in the media need to look at what is going on here. this is all planned, designed to hurt our president. megyn: is that the best way for the democrats to be handling this? let me ask karl rove again, he is our senior adviser. what do you make of this? is this any sort of way for them to be handling the outrage that we are seeing? >> i think it is odd. members of congress in july are generally on deadline, tried to get things done in their committee and it is sort of like being in the locker room of an athletic team. your spirits are high, then you get to the end of july and then you have to confront reality. i think the obama white house

and democratic leadership realize public opinion is turning against them. anger is rising and they wanted to make sure they gave as many members as possible the opportunity to ignore what they're doing. it is never ending specifics. they call them names and so forth. what is amazing is, these specifics from the democrats, these vague suggestions that these were somehow planned. they do not say who is behind it. the people behind it are ordinary americans concerned about their health care, looking for the opportunity to have themselves be heard. megyn: does it matter if they are organized? let us say they are from the tea party movement. that is a grass-roots movement.

the point is, these are american citizens to wind up trying to make their voices heard. >> we know town hall meetings, and generally union and organized groups show up. that is right. that is an expression of democracy. what i found interesting was how many congressional members said that they would not have town hall meetings. several illinois members and a few others have seriously restricted their meetings, or abandon them altogether. they do not want to do with the public thinks about this important issue. megyn: maybe that is the way to do it. does that not strike you as a better to go to this town hall, listen to these people, and then openly criticize her constituent?

steny hoyer was on the receiving end of one man who has become rather well known. he was asking, why do we have to rush this through? president obama took six months to decide on what kind of dog he was going to get. he also called steny hoyer a liar. in any event, steny hoyer says that these are rabid people, normal citizen do not act this way. >> no, normal citizen to act this way. this is your job. you are not just there to have people say how good looking you are. your job is to listen to your constituents. i would hope these people showing up at town hall meetings would express their feelings in the respect of fashion. but this is what members of congress are paid to do. i would admire somebody who

took on one of these meetings and patiently lay down their views and status as long as possible until everyone was exhausted and went home. as a member of congress, your job is to represent your constituents, even when they do not agree with you. increasingly, it seems that americans are not supporting this. megyn: when you have polls that are this close and they do not favor the president, it seems to suggest the majority of americans are against health care reform. they do not trust it. but they are closely divided. when americans are split on this big of a change, on something that will be affecting them significantly, should you have an administration that is so

determined to push it through, no matter what? >> as president you do not always get to make universally popular decisions. however, this has gone to being unpopular in a short period of time. and it is not even close. this is moving rapidly against the president. secondly, the people who feel strongly about this are more on the negative side. last week we have polls where 36% of respondents strongly disapproved. the energy is clearly on the negative side. this is also a problem of explaining what the proposal is about. that is where the administration is incoherent. they are offering of different reasons and making claims that the american people do not believed. megyn: always a pleasure.

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meghan, there could be a break in the search for madeleine mccann, the british crown who disappeared from orchard road more than two years ago. private detectives working for the family are now looking for a woman with an australian accent who witnesses described as a victoria back, look-alike --

beckham look-alike, spotted in barcelona, spain three days after madeleine mccann's disappearance. they believe that this woman said something that convinced a private investigator that she might have information. the family spokesperson says the family still believes they may find their daughter alive and consider this new information as one of the strongest leads the family has got. bill: the postal service is trying to close a $7 billion budget gap. several cost-cutting moves have failed to bring it back into the black, and they are back at it with more proposals that are bound to affect you. today the senate gets a hearing started. what is the senate going to

discuss? >> the post office is expected to propose spending saturday delivery. they have had saturday delivery since 1896. eliminating it was first floated in january and got neck in their reaction, but the postal service is forcing enormous losses. the postmaster general man asked again to end saturday delivery. here is a portion of his prepared statement -- this would affect saturday delivery only. post offices on saturday hours would not be affected. express mail could also continue. another proposal is a list of 700 offices that are possible for closing or consolidation.

they expect to only have to close about 300 of them. bill: is congress ready to go along with this idea? >> there is still a lot of resistance from congress about both ideas. here is susan collins of maine. >> if we go to five-day delivery and we close 1000 post offices, it seems to me you are providing the service. i have a lot of reservations about that. >> i just spoke to a democratic senator chairing the panel, and his spokesperson said ending saturday delivery is something they may consider. i have yet to hear someone who say they will support it.

bill: is so relevant to each and every one of us. in one way or the other -- another, we all use the postal service. megyn: a rock legend air lifted to the hospital after falling off the stage. steven tyler taking a spill after the sturgis motorcycle rally in florida. he was dancing around after the sound system failed. of course, this video is not from the concert. he fell onto a couple of fans, but was able to get up, however, the cancel -- the concert was canceled halfway through the show. it is not clear how serious his injuries are. bill: have the seen him in concert? at the age of 61, he moves.

he takes that microphone stand and does things with it -- you would have to be a gymnast. megyn: you know what he loves? luggage. he was traveling with a lovely woman who was his companion. i saw them in the airport, and she was bogged down like a triple -- sherpa. bill: honestly, we hope he is ok. megyn: he was trying to do something nice by continuing to entertain the crowd when the sound went out. a woman in her 80's adding to her rap sheet, arrested 61 times. bill: why is a water bed good

for a cow's health? megyn: why do we care? bill: the woman whose idea this is is here today. between an environment at risk and an environment in balance. between consuming less and conserving more. there is one important word: how.

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in any event, a judge ordered her held on $10,000 bail, and now prosecutors want her, but it with an electronic monitoring device. bill: the discovery channel has a short week. here on "america's newsroom" we have cow week. an idea to get better milk from cows, try a water bed. does it work? it is supposed to produce milk with more vitamin d. let us ask lynn c. armstrong. good morning to you. -- lindsay armstrong. bill: this was your idea?

>> people started marketing this in 2002 in wisconsin as a better way to de-stress your cows. bill: does it work? >> yes, it does. our cows are quite happy. our farms -- towns actually live up to -- line up to eleep. some -- our cows actually live up to go to sleep. some of them have designated spot. it is much cleaner than sawdust and is much more comfortable. if you think about a 1500-pound cow sleeping on concrete, it is not very comfortable. it is much easier to lie down on a waterbed.

bill: have you walked on it? have you given it a try? >> i have not, but our farmer says that they are fabulous. now he even has a water bed in his own home, not the same one, but he decided to go get one. bill: we are showing some graphics that we set up, a cow on a waterbed, next to the lava lamp. have tried that? >> we will think about it. [laughter] bill: in northeast england, they say that if you name your cal betti, and daisy, gertrude, they will produce more milk. >> my thing that is true.

it is much better than maxine or betty. bill: from oregon university, when a cow pies down, more blood flows to the minors, and makes more milk. >> that is right, making it comfortable is better for the account. bill: you know your business. do you treat your animals as well as your children? >> i have been in this for a long time, a fourth generation in my family. megyn: ever have a water bed? i had one for a short time. it did not work out so well. we will leave it at that. bill: you can tell me over the break. local leaders say that a prayer at the beginning of the city

council meeting is the way to do it, but some city members cannot agree. megyn: and he is a big-time weeknight anchor in the miami area. the state is making some cutbacks. he says it was far more sinister than that. we have the evidence, including what he said to his therapist. %

bill: flooding in central china continues to be a major issue.

at least 10 dead, and there has been little let up. also triggering mudslides, the flooding forced relocation of 125,000 people. south korean special forces taking part in military exercises, including prefacing water landing by parachute. a ferry carrying 79 people took over and sank in the ocean off of the coast of congo. both picked up dozens of survivors, but rescuers still looking for 23 listed as missing. megyn: a prayer controversy in california. before every council meeting in the lodi area, and invocation is given, giving banks and prayers. we have more from san francisco.

what are the critics saying? >> there are mostly atheist and secular groups who say that these prayers violate the constitution, and lodi's city college -- policy of keeping city meetings nondenominational. beyond the legal issues, critics say the references to god and jesus christ make nonaggression to attend uncomfortable and say that they should not have to endure that any public building. megyn: and what did those who support it say? >> and there are many of those. they say this is a 40-year tradition and any effort to discontinue them were watered down the line which amounts to censorship and discrimination. one group, colorado has launched a petition drive in support of

public prayer. the group claims to have gathered 5000 signatures, in part because of an internet campaign. both sides have been gaining support on the internet, and all of this attention has turned the city into a first amendment battle ground. megyn: it sounds like it has lost to all over it. >> in the weeks ahead, city council will decide what to do with this policy, but with atheist groups threatening to sue, the mayor says a civil right judgment could settle the matter megyn: thank you. bill: history is about to be made on the hill. senators about to vote on the first platina nominee to the supreme court. we will bring you a live report later on. megyn: and demoted for being too

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in case you are wondering, it has only had 110 times in u.s. history. bill: you were jacked up during the hearings. you were the only person who said you were looking forward to the hearings. megyn: in does that matter who the nominee is for me, it is the process, the american judiciary at work. bill: the full senate set for a vote today. so for eight republican senators have pledged support for the president's pick. megyn: so now and come down to not whether she will be confirmed -- because without support it looks pretty good -- but by how much. the numbers may not be shaking palpably the president wants. shannon bream, put this in perspective in terms of past

don't and what the white house polls are with respect to this vote? >> first of all, you and i were the only two that had interest in these hearings. bill: clarification taken. >> today we get the final results. if we look at what happened in recent history with recent nominees to the supreme court, samuel alito, a republican justice got into the court by a 52-48 vote. chief justice roberts was 78-22. we have heard all along that they would like to have their nominee do better than that, but it does not seem possible with 30 republicans who have said they will vote no. we assume some democrats will vote yes. she probably will pass with the high 60's, which would put her

between alito and roberts. megyn: that is not very good compared to the past because he would often get the rubber- stamp. so the white house probably is not going to get better numbers, but it is pretty clear she will be confirmed. >> absolutely. after following the hearings and going through this process, we have heard the same process for and against many times. we are beginning to hear the same arguments from many of the same people. those arguments will go on, but today both democrats and republicans have time to make their own comments. it is no mystery that she will be confirmed, just a matter of how the numbers will shake out. there are only a few mysteries and then we will see how quickly she is sworn in. the supreme court has a case that they will be hearing on the

timber 9. normally, session does not begin until october, but she could be sitting there concerned -- confirmed and ruling. megyn: samuel alito has a very good reason to be happy that a new person is coming on the bench. am i wrong? >> that is right, you know how the seating works. it is arranged by seniority from the middle. he is not going to be the new guy anymore. we will see how this plays out, but she will be the junior person. many suggest that with his fiery personality and being involved in questioning -- her fiery personality and being involved in questioning, i think it will be very involved. you and i will be very interested when she speaks

during her first oral argument. megyn: we say it is just us, but i saw the ratings for the supreme court hearings, and our viewers are informed and want to become more so. you know what else? when you are the new person on the high court, they go into high conference and ask how they rule, if someone asks and knocks on the door of that office, it is a hierarchy, and the newbie need to answer the door and make sure that everyone has water. bill: sotomayor is going to be busy. they plan to inject $2 billion to the cash for clunkers plan. meanwhile, new data on that plan showing four of the top

five cars purchased with that rebate our foreign automakers. the toyota corolla tops the list. the ford focus was the only domestic car to break the top five. stu varney, isn't it ironic? >> this got my attention. it is ironic and cash for clunkers is not going to general motors and chrysler. they do not have the cars on the lot that people want to buy. take a look at the top five sellers. four of the top five are foreign brands. however, with the exception of the toyota prius, all of them are made in the united states. particularly, the toyota camry

is 80% made in kentucky. so the primary beneficiaries so far in cash for clunkers are non-unionized american car workers who work for non-bailed out foreign companies. there are plenty of negatives with this, but i would say that it is almost certain to be extended by the senate today. bill: i think you are right about that. the original house version of this bill, there was a clause that said you could only get a rebate if you got an american car. the final version did not have that. >> that was taken out. the idea that you had to buy an american brand, that was taken ill because congressmen who came from states where they have toyota factories, honda

factories, for example, employing american workers. so that provision was taken out. very different from the german version, which was very successful, where you have to buy a german car. bill: apparently our plan was modeled after the germans. thank you. megyn: brand new laws on the health care debate. in battling internet add to on the left and right. the democratic national committee had this ad. >> they are organizing angry months just like they did in the election. their goal is to destroy president obama and stop the change, americans voted for. >> it would break him. i hope he fails. >> this month activity is straight from the playbook of high-level republican operatives.

>> i want to know why you people are ignoring his birth certificate. megyn: the gop promptly responded with the rnc policing this counter-ad. >> a white house in denial, saying we rescued the economy, now facing its most dangerous experiment called all. government takeover of health care. an experiment that will cost $1 trillion, threaten your private insurance, and cost taxpayers hundreds in billions in new taxes. megyn: there you have it. a full plate of health care coming up. top off with some brand-new poll numbers that support the claims made in one of those ads. bill: in the meantime, on the baseball diamond, the oakland

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officers approached him, accused him of being disorderly. witnesses say he refused to leave, so police gave him the shock of his life. he struggled to get away and ended up falling down some stairs. to top it off, seconds later, a foul ball came screaming close to the man with a camera. don't tase me, bro. megyn: new polls on how americans feel about health care reform and the president's performance. juan williams is with me now. let us start with the job approval numbers. they say 50% of people approve of the job president obama is doing, 42% disapproving.

the numbers are down considerably from where they were in july. what do you make of it? >> down 8%. what you see is a trend of the president's number is going down. you think back, he was above 60, now he is around 50. the real loss seems to be over two issues, health care -- the majority of americans disapprove of the way he is handling health care -- and number two, going back to the professor gates controversy. clearly, most americans think that the president had no business getting into the dispute. megyn: they just put up a second one about how the president has handled health care. that is not good for the president either. 46% approve of the way he is handling health care, 42%

disapproved. while those numbers are not great, aren't as bad as you might expect? are they not horrible? >> you are trying to be kind. he is in the middle of a fight, so he is going to get a lot of static. but he went into this fight thinking -- with most americans thinking that things needed to be fixed. it looked like things ever going to get them but it has started to drive down, not only his numbers, but whether or not americans want health care reform at all. he says the debate has become too much about cost and deficits alike. if he loses on this issue, the fact that he spend political capital to try to get it through what impact his ability

to get any other legislation through congress. this could define his entire presidency. megyn: but he seems so confident when he speaks to the american people on this message. he says, make no doubt, we are going to get health care reform passed. we have to fight back. trust me, it will be done. we are hearing the same message from nancy pelosi. poll numbers do not support it, but there are so convinced. >> if they can convince their own troops and taken hold the conservative democrats here, they can get something. the question is what they can get, and if there are simply trying to get something to hold up or something that was close to what they originally intended. at the moment, they do not have a deal.

senators have been working aggressively to work as a compromise on how to put the package together, but the problem is no one knows what he stands for, what he is defending. democrats are trying to explain in these meetings, but a lot of people are not happy with where health care is going. megyn: not only that, they seem concerned about the cost of the program. according to this quinnipiac poll, 42% believe the cost of health care will increase. just 18% believe health care costs will decrease. on taxes, 66% believe their taxes will go up if health care goes through. >> that is the killer issue. people are focused on the idea that this is out of control

spending, and what are we paying for it is my personal health care costs are going to go up? the white house is trying to shift away from saying we are going to increase the number of people covered by insurance to looking at insurance companies pushing people off because of different reasons, pre-existing conditions, affordability. that is what they're trying to shift the discussion to. right now most americans believe that we are spending too much. megyn: that may ask you this. with the american people of this divided on such an issue, should the white house be pushing this through so aggressively? they need more than 47 percent unsupportive they are going to revamp the health-care system, but is it more of a matter of this is the president's prerogative. if 47% of americans do not want

it, too bad. >> separate his policy away from the question over whether there should be change in health care. americans will tell you they believe health care cost too much, is unpredictable. big business will tell you is punishing to them and will force them into bankruptcy. the thing is, his policy and his approach are not popular, so the white house position is that they are offering leadership. your point about whether he has public support, if it was just about that, he does not have it right now and is fighting to keep what he has and hold it through august to get something done in the september. megyn: he does not want to see his numbers continue to slip. always a pleasure. bill: talk about playing it by the book. it won a six-month old baby was given the boot at a burger king.

it must have been the kids' menu. megyn: do you know what you are eating for dinner tonight? william la jeunesse looks at the alternatives to chicken and beef. >> if you are curious about food, this could be your next meal. they are cute, but they are even better on the grill. ( dog barking )

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baby, and their grandmother basically kicked out of a missouri burger king on sunday because the baby was not wearing any shoes. the mother says an employee told her that they took the health code violations seriously. >> a baby without shoes? that is my daughter, she does not own shoes. she cannot walk, so there is no reason to have shoes. megyn: she put socks on the baby, but apparently that was not good enough. the manager then threatened to call police, so they left. now burger king has apologized, saying perhaps they took the policy a bit too far. the family has been asked to come back to the restaurant for the royal treatment.

bill: what is for dinner? how about some good old goat? goat meat is showing up at restaurants across the country and is proving to be a pretty big seller. william la jeunesse is in california. what is so special about billy goats? >> goat is actually the number one consumed meat in the world, but less than 2% in the usa, according to usda experts. goat is lower in fat, cholesterol, and higher in protein than beef, chicken, pork, or lamb. if you have had goat before, perhaps in mexico, and other mediterranean countries, but in

those cases, it might be dairy goats. these goats are actually raised for their meat, and it is quite good. bill: william? what does it taste like? >> it tastes really good. what i had was not greasy, not gamey. the rancher has now turned his attention to these goats. we went to a high end restaurant the other night, we have go, and here is what they had to say. >> it tastes like red meat, but more lean. >> everything i love about land, but without the gaminess. >> it taste very mild and

tender. >> you could have been raised, guerrilla, steamed, in stew, and it is good for you. bill: that is a good looking billy goat. you got through the entire segment without saying, it tastes like chicken. >> it does not taste like chicken. megyn: don't set they're putting that -- petting that goat and talk about how good it is. >> well, we are the help of a species here, so someday it may happen. bill: tag that one under your left arm, and serve us dinner. thank you.

megyn: you are mean. cue the mean e-mails from the farmers. i eat meat, but i feel bad when i see things like this. do not have william put his arms around the goat. the war of words over health care is getting pretty nasty, and some say the obama administration is asking supporters to rat out anyone who defines it. are they compiling a 21st century enemies list?

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some important issues and proposals on the table. the senate environment and public works committee hearing from a variety of experts on what kind of climate change bill to write in the senate. barbara boxer is firmly behind the bill although we do not know how she may change the details of the house bill that passed in june. the ranking republican on the committee james m. hoff pushing back hard especially on the cap and trade proposal. republicans say the idea of selling carbon credits would simply drive costs higher for american consumers, so the battle lines are drawn. megyn: does it look like they will pass something and it is a question of how much of it will mirror the version in the house? >> we think they will pass something. imagine a number of 60 needs to be reached in the senate, so it depends on what is in the bill.

there are some provisions for reducing industrial emissions, for example, not only cap and trade, but this 17% reduction in emissions by 2020 will be debated. some democrats will want to raise that to 20%. all of that will be on the table and it is up to barbara boxer to get a bill together. megyn: thank you for the update. bill: a white house blogger is asking supporters to report any fishy information they see on the internet. the white house encouraging those people to send messages. there are critics on the program, and one of them is with me now. congressman mike pence of indiana.

welcome back, sir. you have issues. tell us why. >> the american people know we have a tradition of respecting free speech rights of americans. that is enshrined in our tradition. i would hope before the end of the day, the white house would clarify this aspect of the website that is designed to collect disinformation, not about collecting information on americans expressing opposition over health care. bill, the director of new media at the white house says that there are scary kaine e-mails going around, video tapes on the internet spreading disinformation. if you were working at the white house and you sell this information, and you know how critical this health care reform is, why not do this?

>> i hope they make it clear that they are not expressing information on americans who are expressing their opposition over health care. i am also troubled about what is being characterized as disinformation. the president gave a speech where he said no one was talking about a government takeover of health care, yet we had video of barney frank saying that he thought a government auction was the best way to get to single payer, government-run health care. in 2003, they openly advocated single payer systems. at my town hall meetings, i did not cents a lot of disinformation. i got the sense that a lot of americans and hoosiers are aware of this government takeover of health care paid for by a $8

billion in taxes. they know it will cost people their insurance and put us on a pathway to single payer, socialized medicine. bill: where have you had town hall meetings? >> we have had two already. in muncie on tuesday. over 100 people in breensburg yesterday. bill: how many people on average show up to these town hall meetings? >> i am not a big draw, bill. maybe 20, 30 people. bill: the turnout is remarkable that you are seeing from both sides. get back to your original point. you hope the white house clarify this? what would suffice? >> we have lost on the books

that prohibits any federal government agency from collecting information on americans. i would hope that either this web site gets taken down or they make clear that this is not an effort to collect information that is being disseminated by americans, either verbally or in print over the internet. i am telling you, these record crowd, people are not uninformed, they are informed. they understand that this administration is running record deficits and is about to launch a $1.60 trillion government takeover of health care paid for by $8 billion in higher taxes. bill: thank you for coming in. by the way, the white house communications office says that they may post fact checks to make sure that americans know the truth about health care policy.

we will see whether or not there is further clarification at a briefing. congratulations by the way on getting 250 people to your meeting. but i think that is typical. thank you. megyn: and a florida newlywed tired of her husband tried to have him bond off just after six months of marriage. unfortunately, she allegedly hired a hit man who was really an unearned -- undercover police officer. police got her -- lured her to a crime scene when she was taken to the police station. her surprise husband was next door when it all went down. >> it is going to be weird. it's still has not hit me. i get it, but i do not.

i should have been dead already. megyn: can you imagine? police say she paid $4,200 for the job and said that she would pretend to be at the hair salon during the murder. we do not know why she was so motivated to do this, but wow. bill: maybe a little awkward? megyn: at first he did not believe that, then they showed him the video tapes. bill: swine flu claiming 350 lives. the latest numbers and a live report taking a look at the extreme measures one country is taking to battle this. foxnews.com for everything you need to know about h1n1.

megyn: good looking, great voice, read the prompter with the best. once a rising star in television, but now anchor charles perez is too gay for miami news? how does jell-o sugar free pudding fit all that rich,

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jane: good morning, everyone. there is a meeting about to get under way with the gang of six. they may decide how our health care in the country changes. jon: and a woman gets a call from police saying you better get home immediately. she finds crime scene tape, televisions. her husband has been killed. or so she thinks. wait until you hear the twist.

megyn: on the docket today, too gay for prime-time tv for america's mecca for gay men? >> we are live in miami to show us what that means. megyn: that was charles perez, a onetime daytime talk-show host, but then he moved to become a very successful anchor. then came some bad reviews suddenly and out of the blue. he says suddenly they called him into the office and said he was too much like brian williams, too anchory. then someone makeleaks informatn

from a psychological session. they said that he was acting too girly. now he has been kicked off his prime time games and is suing for discrimination. does he have a case? good morning, the panel. he is very well known. he says, an openly gay, that is no secret, but once my sexual preference started to hit the airwaves, because i was going to this dispute, it was too much for the station, it was too much for them -- it was too much for the station, and they demoted him. >> the timing is spot on for him

to bring a case. his was right after a profile piece came out about him about his sexual orientation. then he gets called into the office and has to listen to these fabricated excuses? he is too much like brian wilson? he is not only -- he is just the most expensive -- he is just the most successful anchor of their today. they were worried that he was more to come into work and act too much like a female. gender identity. megyn: by the way, he says he does not have any gender there be issues and that the e-mail should have never been leaked, which he accuses his ex lover of doing. >> is it my turn? thank you.

the sheer length of her argument allows me to catch up on some much meat -- on some much-needed rest. to your argument, hers would have a shred of merit if we did not consider the law. the law obligates him to prove that the sole basis for his firing was due to his sexual orientation. there are numerous legitimate purposes that the station could advance in order to prevail on the lawsuit. first of all, never questioned about his performance. they called him in before this personal e-mail service and told him that he was acting in a way that they did not want, and was not able to rectify that. there is more. has anyone noticed the economy is in decline? stations throughout the country are moving to one anchor instead of two.

that is a decision there are allowed to make. megyn: there is anecdotal evidence about this. his news director is also gay, but top brass at the station is a different story and he has a lot of stories about his bosses that may suggest that he did not want charles'sexual preference out there in the public. >> that is right. it is his business, and the station was uncomfortable with the fact that he wrote an article about his sexual orientation. when you see them operating under these false pretenses, throwing up different pretexts, the economy, the fact your acting too much like brian williams, due to the fact that you are giggling with your girlfriend. you cannot come up with these

excuses. your argument has lady justice's panties in a bunch. megyn: in the meantime, they told him do not get married. do not have children. when they really have said that to a heterosexual anchor? >> first of all, we do not know what the facts are. it does matter that the person responsible primarily for his the motion is an openly gay man who will testify that he finds these allegations offensive. also, he does not go running from the station because he feels so discriminated against. he demands his old job back. that is rather suspect. megyn: apparently he is not getting it. one final word, the timing of his demotion seems suspicious,

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bill: we are tracking the h1n1 full operation, but the latest figures showing that 353 people have died from what was once known as swine flu. meanwhile, a big change for those traveling to saudi arabia. any religious programs have to provide a medical certificate verifying that they do not have the disease. clearly, different societies are worried about this. explain. >> they are concerned about people who can get a vaccine will get it, but we know that it

is not ready yet. the kingdom of saudi arabia is hoping it will be ready in time for the hajj, when pilgrims from all over the world descending on the holy cities of medina and mecca. is not the first time that saudi arabia has worried about health concerns during the hajj. there have been concerns about polio, cholera, and meningitis over the years, and a system is set up. this year, they are doing what they can prevent the spread of the virus, with heat sensor cameras and increases in their stockpile of tamiflu. but they are hoping that ideally the vaccine will be ready. there also recommending that young, old, and pregnant women avoid doing it this year. the peak is november 26, but pilgrims will start arriving in

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