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priority mail flat rate boxes only from the postal service. a simpler way to ship. call or go online now to get started. >> gregg: a midair collision over the hudson river, this time no miracle on the hudson. no survivors, nine people died when a small plane crashed into the back side it is believed to be of tour helicopter that was carrying five italian tourists. both aircraft fell into the hudson river and onto to the new jersey waterfront. police have now confirmed and the amendment has as well, all nine people were killed. we are hearing that two bodies have been recovered. >> julie: on the right of your screen okay itself left you see the scene of the crash site. on the right, pictures of the aircraft. the plane is a piper pa-32 that
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took off from teterboro and also the helicopter that was carrying the six passengers. it was one pilot and five passengers, five italian tourists. >> gregg: we have seen a great many watercraft on the sudden son almost immediately. they train for this to be here the moment something happens for rescue. indeed, in this case it's recovery. it's fire and rescue, nypd, the coastguard, other aircraft that happened to be nearby came to what they hope would be the rescue. unfortunately in vain. let's go to laura ingle who is standing by on the new jersey side in hoboken. what you have been able to learn there? >> hi gregg and julie. what we've been told in a short
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while from hoe beck ken authorities. we're on the new jersey side of the hudson river is they want residents to keep their eyes peeled for any type of debris from this crash. there have been debris found on this side of the river and the mayor of hoboken have asked if anybody finds debris, leave it alone, call authorities. they need to keep everything in tact. so it gives us a sense how deadly this plane crash was, how dangerous it could have been here for those on the shore. there are no reports of injuries my cameraman is going to push in on the action happening behind us. you can see that neon orange balloon floating in the water. that is marker where they have found some type of debris. you can see the boats, new york police departments are the white and blue ones and gray and orange boats are coastguard. they have been in and out of the water. scuba divers with the nypd all
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day long. we've seen them pulling out baskets the sides of a stretcher. we cannot fell from our vantage point what they are pulling out. we have heard that at least two bodies have been recovered. on the other side of the river, you heard the mayor saying this was not a survivable crash. five italian tourists and one pilot was in tour helicopter. and the others in the small plane. this is a dangerous part of the hudson river. water is very deep and murky, 60 feet in some places that we are watching this effort going on right now. there are a lot of questions, a lot of people talking about the type of communication, radio frequencies, air to air frequency going on between the helicopter and airplane.
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apparently there was none. witnesses have been telling us since we arrived, they saw the crash and heard the crash. they saw the blades of the chopper go into the water. they got out of the way before they were hurt by any of debris. we have f.b.i. agents are here as well as new jersey state officials. we are stand buying. they have called a conference into one of these waterfront restaurants. we're monitoring their activity. as soon as they come out we'll bring you this information. >> gregg: laura ingle, thank you very much. you can see full screen the rescue efforts initially now recovery of bodies. they are looking for wreckage that might offer some explanations. let's turn to sergeant brian king, divers have been in and
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out of the water over the courts of the last four hours since this midair collision that claimed nine lives occurred. sergeant major, we've been watching these divers go in and out. explain what they are doing and how they are doing it. >> they are starting with obviously free dive which their dive plan and planning basically. they are going down there depending on the depth i big the potential crash site is, they are working through that trying to get whether it's going to be how many teams they have to send. other questions, sir? >> julie: sergeant, do we still have on your phone, believe your phone was breaking up a bit,
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sir? >> yes, ma'am. i'm sorry. >> julie: let me talk about the tides and currents. these tides right now, believe at this point in the afternoon would be running south. tides somewhere around 10-11 knots. it's a very strong tide in the hudson river and finding bodies is a tough task even on a beautiful day like today. it's possible that these bodies could take days if not weeks to discover, is that correct? >> that could be potential, yes, ma'am. >> gregg: what about the visibility, mayor described it two to three feet. my experience in the hudson is zero visibility. i don't think you can see your hand in front of your face. how many of a challenge is that? how dangerous does it make for the divers themselves? >> its huge challenge because you'll be going by feel, really.
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as far as danger to divers, they are trained professionals. they are trained in that kind of circumstance, for that kind of circumstance. so, yes, its difficult dive. the current it makes it that much more difficult and they also basically estimate where potential body would be. >> julie: the mayor also said in his news conference a couple of hours ago that he is not going to put divers' lives at risk. divers will go there if there are any survivors but when it comes to locating remains, that is when he'll call search crews off if conditions are too dangerous. what can you tell butts currents number one. at what point do you believe come night fall will the search be called off and resume tomorrow morning. the mayor says he doesn't want
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to put any lives at risk in this search and recovery. >> yes, ma'am. when you are trying to recover a body you are not going to put your living divers to try to get a hold of that body or that person because it just doesn't work that way. yes, based on the waves and currents, they are current in the body at this time. >> julie: thank you very much for the insight there. >> gregg: the other challenge you can only stay in that kind of water for just so long. yes, they have wet suits, high-tech dry suits but the temperatures are so extreme. >> julie: 76 degrees at the time of this crash. it's quite balmy for this river but when you are in the river
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for a long time, it becomes very cold. at times they have to get out of the water. they have several crews rotating throughout the evening. i do have personal experience where bodies were searched for in the river and those search crews are pulled out and they resume in the morning. they don't want the divers in the waters at night. as you are saying, visibility, murkiness with the sun out is one thing. once it's dark you can't see anything. >> gregg: the lower you go the deep are you go the more the temperature drops, you can hit pockets of really frigid water. the other thing to point out, the miracle on the hudson. the plane, united u.s. airways plane was snagged. it would have gone right out to sea. >> julie: they throw outlines in order to keep it in place. with the miracle on the hudson they took lines from tug boats and secured it otherwise it would end up in the atlantic
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ocean. the way it works you start in uptown manhattan and you go to the new york harbor, rather. then it goes out into the atlantic ocean. >> gregg: the fear here is that the bodies would be taken out to sea because they are underwater. >> julie: the way the currents run. >> gregg: we're going pause and take a quick break. tragedy on the hudson is the words of mayor bloomberg. five italian tourists have died. there are four others including a child lost their lives in this midair collision over the hudson river. we're going to have further details when we come back. [ female announcer ] introducing the latest body wash from olay.
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>> julie: continuing coverage on the devastating crash between the helicopter and plane we've been talking about over the hudson river in new york city, nine people killed in all. on board the plane on the lower right-hand side of your screen, that was a piper pa-32. one of the wings seen by a witness clipped off. in the upper right hand corner, it was carrying six in all. one pilot and five italian tourists. a lot of these helicopter rides are only about eight to 15 minutes long. these are very quick tours. they talk off from the manhattan side or over hoboken, new jersey and go over in lower manhattan and see the empire state building the statue of liberty and then they land. you were mentioning go something
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very interesting. how this helicopter had no chance. he didn't see what hit him. he didn't see what was coming because this plane was either above or below and so the pilot of the plane in fact didn't know he perhaps was above or below this helicopter. >> you are reminding us from the mayor, quote the plane crashed into the back side of the chopper.
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with great accuracy, who hit home and from what angle or coming up or coming down. wreckage will tell that tale did. >> julie: bob, it's julie banderas, the faa confirmed the small plane came from teterboro airport crashing in the hudson river. what can you tell us about any potential plane trouble, engine trouble that the plane might have experienced moments before making contact with the helicopter? >> that could be the case, 12 miles isn't very far.
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and the assuming that the piper -- taking off. he is not going to be very high. so he may, if i were to guess. he was climbing out in a designated corridor in order to fly down to new jersey or delaware or wherever he was going. should
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>> gregg: using this particular corridor, if it would be an overcrowded frequency conversation, maybe there is too many aircraft? >> i don't think that is the case. i think that the numbers of these accidents that one has in new york and new york is as busy as almost anywhere. the number of accidents that you
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are having, doesn't necessarily mean you want to cut down the amount of traffic. it means that you want to make sure that pilots are being alert that you avoid this kind of thing. tech nothing kli as you may know large aircraft we have collision avoidance devices that will tell both airplanes if they are on a course for collision. this is something that was new aircraft control is going to be coming for smaller airplanes. we're not there yet. >> gregg: a lot of people may say it's out of my price range. >> well, it may be that ultimately everybody is going to have to have some version of this kind of technology. it's not going to be but it's part of what is being called fa if a next generation air traffic
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control. >> julie: when you are talking about next generation air traffic control and so much traffic in such a small area, they talked about the commuter satellite program that apparently is in the works potentially could be in place for a few years. i mean, do you think it's possible perhaps that we will be seeing tighter regulation, this collision avoidance technology that you are speaking of put in place right away? if you are talking about how it is so common, this sort of accident is not rare, why is it they continue to happen? why is it they don't have the proper technology in place? it seems like it's too easy to avoid it and it doesn't make sense. >> this satellite technologies is part of next gen and it's not available. what you are going to see when nexgen becomes available, if somebody doesn't want to pay,
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then they will not be allowed to fly in places like greater new york without having the ability to avoid collision. >> gregg: bob you said something that struck me. pilots just need to be alert, but ascending pilot could not even highly aalert ascending pilot could not see what was directly above him especially if of an aircraft tending to move slower like a chopper? >> obviously. there is a possibility. there is always a possibility that you're going to have an accident. you don't totally avoid accidents. i'm not saying that the fact there is an accident does not indicate this is not a safe system. obviously you want access. you'll never get to that because people make mistakes.
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we all do. that includes pilots. you work to make it as safe as you can and you accept the fact that every time you do anything including flying there are some things involved. >> gregg: one person suggested this. should there be a maximum altitude for choppers and a sort of minimum ceiling for fixed wing aircraft so they are flying at separate levels at all times? >> i think that you probably got a minimum altitude for the piper going out because you have to keep him clear of anybody else going into teterboro, you got la guardia and j.f.k.. it's a huge complex air traffic control environment.
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so it's pretty hard to say exactly where should be should be. i don't know whether there is any altitude restrictions for tour helicopters. >> gregg: bob was pointing out the fact they are flying the same level and they should not be because they fly at dramatically different speeds, fixed wing flying faster than the chopper. before you know it, you could be as in this case, in the back of a chopper with fatal consequences. >> but i mean the problem with that is, how do you tell the guy coming out of teterboro climbing out that he has to be above a certain altitude when he is climbing up. you can say, fly between "x" and "y" attitudes but you have to get to "x". i guess my point is this, a lot
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of people have been thinking about these things for a long time. as i said earlier, people make mistakes. trying to avoid them it relies very heavily on the facts that pilots of looking all over plates and turning and looking up and looking down, to the sides constantly. >> gregg: bob francis, former vice chair of the n.t.s.b., many thanks for sharing your thoughts. >> julie: very sad to hear about the tourists coming to the city and thousands of people. when we see those cell phone videos and pictures, it's because that is what people do on a beautiful saturday afternoon. they go down and line the river to see the beautiful sights. to see this sight and then to quote the mayor, it is so sad to hear the mayor saying that sadly
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it appears to us this was not survivable. this is not going to have a happy ending like u.s. airways 1549. >> gregg: you have no idea what hit you. coming to new york city and fly over beautiful manhattan which is such a breathtaking spectacle for anybody that has done it. >> julie: when he talks about the collision avoidance technology and you asked about whether it's going to be too skif for the charters to afford it. with at some point, if you don't have it on the plane you are not allowed to fly. it's not worth the risk. same thing on a boat, you wouldn't go out on a boat without a navigation chart or gps because you would get lost and risking your life and rest of your passengers. we have on the phone petty
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officer with the u.s. coastguard. talk to me what the coastguard is doing right now on the hudson river right now. >> right now we have four small boats currently searching where the debris went down. we also have the helicopter running up and down the hudson river looking for debris. right now we're running rescue and recovery operations. we're working with all the agencies, nypd and that is where we stand right now. >> julie: what can you tell me about the currents as we speak? what speeds are they traveling and in which direction? >> one more time. >> julie: can you tell me the currents one more time, are they traveling south? >> at the time of the incident, it was about four knots and it was northwest i believe. right now i don't have a good accurate.
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>> julie: so obviously you have to keep that in mind as the currents fluctuate in speed, you need to move your boats in order to get into an area where potentially bodies would be carried off to. how do you do that? >> absolutely. these guys train constantly all the time in the new york area for this. they have a strong current in the new york harbor and they are aware of that. they are currently running search patterns based on those currents. they are really good at doing this. they get a lot of training with the other agencies doing the search and rescue here. >> julie: do you rely on divers. if you don't see any bodies on the surface of the water, the currents are going to be pulling them down. the search and recovery efforts is underwater? >> both are just as important. we are looking for surface and underwater. we do have center surface out there and i know some of the other agencies have divers in the water. >> gregg: what are the chances
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that some of these bodies will not be recovered? >> i don't want to speculate about any of that. our main focus right now is trying to recover everybody that was involved in this as well as the debris so we can come and get a final on what happened. our biggest thing is focusing on the recovery and even possible rescue of any persons or debris. >> julie: okay, david, thank you very much from the u.s. contested. they have several boats on the river --, from the u.s. coastguard. two bodies have been recovered. mayor is saying they will not be putting divers' lives at risk because they are assuming that all the victims are deceased. there are no survivors. it is so treacherous out there. it is unreasonable to expect too much of these brave rescuers who were out there both on top of
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the water and in the water. it was a beautiful day, a beautiful afternoon and there were a great many people who were on the shores of the hudson river. some in the water on boats and ships and sightseeing up in the air. that is when the tragedy occurred, a midair collision between a sightseeing helicopter carrying five italian tourists and a helicopter pilot was hit from behind by a fixed wing plane that was carrying three people including a child. everyone died in that collision. two bodies recovered. we're going pause and take a quick break. here is leave you one eyewitness account. >> i said -- oh, my god, i seen this one plane fly very low. so was the hipt, he was trying to get away, he was leaning but
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trying to survive around it. it pulled right ahead of it and all of a sudden i heard it and the helicopter all of a sudden went down.
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>> gregg: tragedy over the hudson river in new york city between new jersey and new york. there you see the recovery effort, as the mayor of new york city is calling it. all people on board the two
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aircraft that collided midair lost their lives including one child. there were five italian tourists up in a chopper on a lovely afternoon looking over the new york and manhattan skyline when they probably never knew what hit them. a plane, according to the mayor, struck them from behind. they fell into the water. watching the recovery efforts for the last several hours is our own laura ingle on the new jersey side in hoboken. laura, set the scene for us, what have you learned and what have you seen. >> reporter: right now we have been watching officials gather at a waterfront restaurant here along the shoreline and i want to show you three different things. we saw the press conference. you see a large group of people. there is at the outside of that waterfront restaurant. governor of new jersey governor announced there will be a 6:15 press conference. there is the possibility that
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n.t.s.b. will be here for that. we are expecting to get more news at that time, official news. the rest we can do is eyeball it from the shore. jim is going to pan around out to the debris scene that you have been watching live. you can see that the new york police boat, the main boat with the bright orange buoy that marks the scene of the crash. there has been little small rafts going around this area circling with divers all day long. they seem to have slowed down. they have been in and out of water. that activity appears to have stopped. pan around over here again. we've got this pier where there has been a scene of activity. emergency officials have been at that the edge of the pier all day long working out of a new jersey police van. we've got f.b.i. evidence team members. they have been working along
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with all the local, state and federal officials. we continue to monitor what is happening. once again, i'm getting word that we'll have another news conference at 6:15 about the governor of new jersey here on the hoboken side of the hudson river. one other thing of note, there has been debris found on this side of the river, manhattan, of course, behind me. everybody on this side of the river has been asked, if you find something, don't touch it. no word on what was recovered on this side but we understand some of that may have been on the college campus up on one of the cliffs here. >> gregg: give us a sense of the emotion. a great many eyewitnesses trying to enjoy the sunshine and picturesque views. it's a traumatizing thing to see a midair collision falling into
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the river. >> reporter: absolutely. the people that have been lining the shore. there is a soccer field. little eight and ten-year-old people were playing soccer. they all heard the bang. a lot of people described the first sound what sounded like a very large backfire. they looked up into the air and they saw the blades going down into the water. not a lot of people describe the small aircraft, not a lot of people saw that. there was one manage we spoke to that said he saw the tail sectioning into the water. everybody described it as quick nosedive. that debris field was not on the top of the surface of the water according to eyewitnesses for very long. that is why this recovery effort has been so time-consuming. you can see them out there. they haven't been able to gather much. some eyewitnesses have told us they have seen some of the members out on the boat using nets like skimming a pool. a lot of people were
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traumatized. some people saw the u.s. airways plane go down so it's a very tender subject. a lot of people extremely upset. a lot of people taking their kids away from the area. a lot of people are waiting to see what happens next as we see the boats out in the hudson. it's a very difficult day for a lot people who were enjoying a very beautiful day. >> gregg: we'll be checking back with you as you get further details. >> julie: joining us now on the phone the s trace gallagher who is colleague of ours that can talk about the mind set of a pilot heading into an area such as the new york harbor where you have so many different air traffic in one small area. trace, if you are flying a small plane, you don't see above you or you don't see below you. if you are above a helicopter
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you how do you know you are within a safe enough distance to prevent something like this from happening. >> trace: that is one of most interesting things. n.t.s.b. will look at the configuration of the plane. they have been seeing the plane all day long the piper. the wings are below the fuselage. i learned in a cessna and cessna's wings are above. in a cessna it's difficult to see what is above you. in a piper it's difficult to see what is below you. helicopter the blind spotted is directly above and behind you. right above and behind you, easily to see below you and in front but above and behind you is a blind spotted. you have two dispirit aircrafts, helicopters up and down and fixed wing straight or forward.
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so if the plane hit the back of the helicopter, one of the investigators will look at, what was the helicopter rising at the time. was the piper descending with that blind spot. was eight collision that looked from the rear but was an up and down collision. it sheared off the blades of the chopper, kind a worst case scenario. if this thing had hit the body of the helicopter there is a chance this helicopter could auto rotate down and escaped this. the tragedy of the plane wing being sheared off. >> julie: i want fiok up on something, whether the piper that took off from teterboro airport, if it was descending was that indicate something was wrong with the plane. you have to remember that tetorboroe is only about 12 miles from where this crash occurred. if anything, would you think that the plane would still be ascending. so if it were descending, perhaps there is reason to
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believe that the plane was experiencing trouble. >> trace: not necessarily. i'm speculating. investigators will look at it. you also have to think, i flew this same corridor with nypd about five or six months ago. if you've never been flying up along the hudson, it is magnificent. it is remarkable. when you are flying that corridor, you have to realize these are people on board a plane that may or may not have flown it. the pilot says i'm going give you a better look at the new york skyline. you come down a little bit to give people a better view. you don't know. you don't know what is going on in the pilot's mind. was he descending? another key thing, what airspace was he in, was he in new jersey or new york air traffic control. a lot of things investigators will go through. they will certainly be looking at the configuration of the
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planes who saw what and when. i can tell you being on board pipers, it's tough to see directly below on you. all eyes are looking for other planes but it's tough to see below you. you got the helicopters easily rise. you have planes that could be going down for a quick look. these kinds of accidents happen. >> gregg: it's a pilot's nightmare and echoed to some extent by trace gallagher. >> julie: moments from now i'll be speaking to jason miller who was wait. he was driving in hoboken when a tire from the aircraft fell in front of his car. we contacted each other on twitter. he will joining us and in fact we'll show you the picture of the tire that landed in front of his car right after this break.
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underway, all believed dead in this plane crash and helicopter crash over the hudson. joining me now on the phone is jason miller who apparently witnessed part of this whole thing unfold. maybe you can tell our viewers exactly what you saw when you are driving along the coastline of new jersey? >> i was driving going to hoboken, new jersey. as we were driving. i next thing you know my girlfriend and i saw a bunch of debris fall from the sky. to the new jersey side some of it fall directly in front, some of the tile tire of the plane fall in front of me. it was 25 feet in front of me. i took a photo of it. >> julie: we're showing the picture of a tire that you took.
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how did you see this tire. did you see it actually fall? >> yes, ways on that road. i was in the right-hand lane going into hoboken into the sudden son. i saw it, i wasn't too sure what it was. i snapped the photo while sitting in the car and after seeing the plane description on tv, i definitely could pretty much identify it where the tire off the plane. >> julie: i was reading your tweets and you, too, were learning as the rest of us were when you saw the tire in front of your car. you had no idea what it was. you heard a loud boom. once you finally figure out the tire fell from the screen as you and your girlfriend are driving in nrjz was in fact the tire of one of the aircraft that crashed over the hudson.
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i read your tweets how shocked you were you still couldn't believe what you witnessed today >> yeah, that's right. way was on the hudson for a little while ago, but it's very unfortunate to happen. i truly was hogue everybody to be okay. there wasn't a whole lot the minute it happened where it went down. >> julie: you heard it but you didn't see it and you saw debris before it sank. within seconds the remains of both this helicopter and the plane were underwater. >> yeah, we did see the wings that were separate, it looked like it was whole spiraling down and then a small and smaller debris and tire landed on the water there. it was z i drive the route
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frequently. >> julie: jason miller, thank you very much. this is an eyewitness that i got in contact on twitter. if any of you witness this or have pictures to share. we appreciate you sending them to us. thank you very much for talking to us. >> gregg: the cause of this crash isn't quite known yet although the mayor of new york city michael bloomberg has said that the plane was moving faster than the chopper and ran into the back of the helicopter. n.t.s.b. has dispatched an investigation team out to the scene, divers are still there in the water as well as watercraft searching for bodies, two have been recovered, seven have not. they are beginning to loses some
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i. >> gregg: fox news alert. we're getting additional details on the horrific midair collision between a tourist helicopter and fixed wing plane. nine people in all including a child and five italian tourists have lost their lives. two bodies recovered so far. search continues on the left-hand side of your screen the search continues. this is very important. joining us on the set or three eyewitnesses. one was on one of tour boats. his grandmother joins us and
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julie is the mother. first, where you were and we're going to put your pictures up. >> julie: you guys are the first to come on and describe what you saw. you saw the midair collision and you have brought pictures to fox this is the first time we're going to be showing these pictures. why don't we go ahead and put the pictures on the air and start by telling me, who shot this picture. take a look at that picture. >> these pictures were shot by me. we were on the circle line cruise, to take a look at the statue of liberty. as we were coming back back into the dock, we saw this. i saw the plane and the helicopter in very close proximity. i thought this is very close. i wanted to take the picture of the two together and instead, i ended up taking a picture of crash. >> gregg: did it look to you as the mayor said that the plane
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essentially rear-ended the helicopter? >> that's what it looked like. wing of the plane seemed to have come down. as you can see from the photograph the plane seemed to be higher than the helicopter. the wing of the plane first came down. plane started to come down and then in the later picture you see the propellers of the helicopter trying to separate. >> julie: that picture, can we go to back to the picture. was that the picture you took when you noticed this plane and the helicopter were sort of close to each other? this picture here is taken literally seconds before the plane clipped the helicopter? >> this is right after the crash >> julie: so you saw the wing fall off the plane? >> if you zoom out there is a photograph of the wing is actually in the photograph on the right-hand side as well. >> julie: that is one of the pictures where you see the wing
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of plane missing because it clips that helicopter, smoke coming from the helicopter indicating that the plane hit the helicopter from behind. the plane was on top. in other words, the helicopter was flying at a lower altitude and you saw the plane come down and hit it. do we have another picture she was describing? >> there it is. you see the actual wing with the smoke. >> gregg: does it look to you line the plane was descending. it was lowering its altitude? >> it's hard to say. it happened so quickly and i was trying to get my camera to get ready to take pictures in the of both of them. >> julie: you were on board liberty cruise line. you took off from battery park and you circled around to see the statue of liberty. you were with them and what were you thinking when you were looking up to the sky? >> i was thinking it was a movie because i know a lot of movies are being shot around new york.
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but it was pretty hard to believe this was actually happening. >> gregg: describe what you were witnessing yourself? >> first thing is we were going on the same cruise. but so then we we were coming the helicopters were coming. then we were watching what was happening. so i feel sorry for those people that are dead. >> julie: you are visiting here from canada. and you actually went on the city's website or contacted city sites. you booked this trip and options were take a helicopter trip or take the ferry and the bus tour. you decided to go with the ferry tour because it was little cheaper and have extra money
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left over for food. but you were considering going as one of the many tourists often do flying over new york city? >> that's right. we were this close to booking a helicopter ride and at the last minute, we decided to have some nice meals in new york instead. it makes us pause that we chose that action not that we were going to be up there at the same time but it's very sad. >> gregg: it might be quite emotional. >> there were 600 people on the boat and there were some people that were crying. it was the shock of i it all. it was very difficult. >> julie: how old are you? >> 14. >> is this your first time in new york city? >> yes. >> julie: when you come to new york city i'm sure you are impressed by the beautiful scenary. when you were on board with all those tourists that were on board the cruise line, what do
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you remember the reaction of all the tourists that were on board with you? >> a lot of people went inside and a lot of people were sad wondering how it could possibly happen. >> julie: do you du think to yourself, the plane and helicopter were carrying tourists like this? >> it's when the realization hit it started to syringe in. as i was taking pictures, it felt like it was a movie that we were watching. >> gregg: unfortunately unfortunately it was no movie and these are the very first pictures to be seen of the midair collision between a light plane and tourist helicopter. nine people lost their lives at that very moment perhaps or when it crashed into the hudson river two bodies recovered. nine people in all were killed including a child and five italian tourists. we thank you so much for sharing these pictures exclusively w

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