it is august 9, i am julie bandaras. thanks for watching. see you back here next weekend. ladies and gentlemen,governor mike huckabee. [applause] thank you very much and welcome to the special edition of huckabee from the fox studios in new york city. americans have a lot of questions about the health care reform in washington. we'll have a lot of points of view and in a fair and balanced way. joining our conversation. california congresswoman shan chez . secretary levitt and president obama's personal physician

will be with us and pennsylvania governor edrindel . dr. david lipshus. we'll cover every bit of all of the information that we can possibly cover. we hope you will stay tuned for this next important hour. [applause] last week we asked you to send us your e-mails and we'll read some of them tonight and we'll ask you to send us your questions throughout the show . we'll be getting to some of them later in the hour. i will let you in on a secret to why i am personally opposed to president obama's rush. it is not not personal opposition to president obama and not political opposition because it is pushed by democrats. it is because of what i know about how government works . how even good ideas go bad

when they are put through the legislative process. i am not a shield for insurance companies and heavy-handed way in which they put profits ahead of patients is partly to blame in the way they are fixing things. the cure may be worse. >> government doesn't worry about how temperature costs. they can borrow more money and print money and charge you higher taxes. with obama care it will require all three and cost more because of the nature of the legislative process. you see, there will be 535 chefs wanting to season the stew with the personal interest. there are 35,000 lobbyist in washington. they are paid big buck to get something out of the plan for their clients. if you are not one of their clients, you may not get the big benefit. government doesn't have to

compete or be successful or make a profit or efficient. it doesn't even have to work very well. if it doesn't work, it will not necessarily change or go out of business much but you will be paying for it. congress just vote to buy eight new gulf stream jets with 500 million of your money so they can be squired around your world. three billion to subsidize car purchases and grind up the old cars. do you trust them? who do you trust? congress? the president? insurance companies? your doctor? tonight tough questions, and real answer to them. you can e-mail, text or twitter your questions and we'll answer them later in the show. i am launching a petition drive to get names of people who want to send your name on petitions to the president and congress.

i hope you will join me doing that. if you want a pecision or contact information and make personal contact with the congress or share a comment do it by going to mikehuckabee.com. >> we'll start with congresswoman sanez. she supports a public option for health care . i think you know you are one of my favorites and i like you a lot. but i want to start out with a question that we got more e-mails about than any other. welcome to the show and let's jump into it. >> thank you, governor. >> this comes from john in new york and he asked this. if the government health care plan is so great. how many members of congress and president included will use the government health care plan instead of the current congressional health care plan. will you use that plan and will you vote to make sure that all members was congress and the administration also go into that plan?

>> >> well, first of all let me just tell you that, that is the probably the biggest question i got at the helg health forum that i did. will you use the same plan? remember that the plan begins by if you have something you like then you get to keep that? so if i would like what i am provided with right now and i have to pay for that, by the way, i would hold on to it. if i wouldn't i would go into the exchange and look into what options are there for orange county where i carry my insurance, and then i would choose according to which plan made more sense to me. in the same way that i now choose between the group of plans that the federal offers me. that's what happens to someone who is employed by a large employer currently providing

health care insurance under the health care insurance plan that we are moving in the congress. >> congresswoman sanchez. the concern that many people have running business it would be cheaper for them to pay the fine or tax and move their employees into the public than continue to pay in the private sector. will there be private sector plan to compete about the government subsidized plan after a few years? >> the cvo, which was the group that analyzes what things costs and really the group that stopped this plan in its steps about two or three weeks ago. the one said this costs a lot et cetera, they took a look at that and they said that actually, if the plan works the way we envision it to, more private companies would be offer pick up more business. >> you are one of the few

people believe that that will happen. >> if you. >> that more private will flourish under the plans. >> that's one . reasons why you don't go straight into the exchange if you have a employer you can stay with them. an employee currently offered insurance from a employer and carries no health insurance at all. sometimes that tends to be younger people. of course, they all feel they are immortal. when i was that age, i thought i would live forever. but they get in car accidents or things of that type, and then they need to be rushed to the emergency room and we end up paying for it. so every person will be required to take some type of health insurance. that will bring the costs down

to the system. currently, we pay for all of those who are using the system, but don't carry insurance. >> certainly, the uncompensated care is a huge issue and cause cost-shifting. a couple of states that required everyone insured have not found the cost to go down. massachusetts and tennessee whose 10-care program almost bankrupted those two states. what evidence is there where it is attempted that happened the cost to go down. two examples of states doing it costs went up dramatically and instances massachusetts, they get on the program when they need a procedure and it was covered they would get back off of the program and catch up later. the policing of that is extraordinary. what is different about the congressional plan from the massachusetts and tennessee plans? >> well, that's one . reasons why there are so many

democratic members in the congress saying we need a public option because we believe that that will be sort of like the simple menu . the main menu that a person could get. government delivered it as they do in medicare where the costs are lower than the rest of the health care industry. costs as they go up annually are lower. they believe that that would bring down the comp. the competition would lower their prices. one of the problems that the blue dogs had was that if the price is too low and subsidized by the government, then a private company can't compete and we wouldn't have competition and in the long run, we would all end up in the public health care system. so when you saw the blue dogs fighting, we are fighting to say, they should have

something there, but we don't want to be subsidized rates like medicare that hurt orange county, california. >> thank you for joining me tonight and having a town hall meeting. a lot of your colleagues are afraid of their constitients and one of the reasons i like you and i appreciate your candor, and thank you, reprentative sanchez. >> thank you. [applause]. >> we'll talk to the doctor who treated president obama think about the health care proposal. we'll ask him after the break. [applause] r 20 years thing about his healthcare proposal. healthcare proposal. we will ask them right after he ran off with his secretary! she's 23 years old! - oh, come on. - enough! you get half. and you get half. ( chirp ) team three, boathouse? ( chirp ) oh yeah. his and hers. - ( crowd gasps ) - ( chirp ) van gogh? ( chirp ) even steven. - ( chirp ) mansion? - ( chirp ) good to go. ( grunts ) timber! ( chirp ) boss? what do we do with the shih-tzu?

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tonight many traveled over the country and i spoke to dozens of doctors about health care reform . there are some that support the president's health care as it is. how about the doctor who called barack obama heads for 20 years. and dr. shiner welcome and delighted to have you here overnight. i think you may be one of those exceptions. you believe we ought to have a single payer system; is that correct. i want patients to have freedom of choice. under the last 40 years, i have seen them interfering carrying for patients. in 40 years medicare has never interferred with the care i administer. almost every day private

insurance companies do something to the kind of care i would deliver. i don't know why they should be trusted . the cost of the administered private health care is 400 billion. we have two full-time people to handle private insurance. if you had universal medicare you would eliminate and 400 billion to cover the people who are uninsured. we have 50 million people without health insurance and others who are underinsured. i don't understand why the people are not screaming to see that they get care? it is horrible. >> doctor, the number 50 million uninsured. if you extrapolate that 12 million illegals and there is 10 million people who could have insurance and choose to use their money for other things. other people who qualify for existing qualifying government. there is five million people

who just can't get insurance because of preexisting conditions. is it the goal to get five million insured and recognize some are not insured because they choose not to be. >> everyone should be insured. 50 percent of all personal bankruptcy are from medical bilse. >> should we force them? >> i think everybody should have medicare. i think it should be a universal health coverage. when they have a accident. young people might pay for the rest of their live to get out of the death they will incur. i think everyone should have a card that they are subscribing to medicare. i think illegals, they do our work for us. i think we -- >> who should pay for that? >> taxpayers or individuals have buy in and skin .

game? >> you know, abraham harble said you cannot have liberty without compassion . i think we are not showing much compassion. all of us are responsible to see that everyone has health care. we are the only western nation without national health care. are all of the other countries wrong and we have somehow the only right answer? it is embarrassing. >> doctor, shouldn't we have freedom of press and freedom of speech and other liberties. my point is and i want to go not too far. president obama in 2003, believed in a singler payer system. let me play the tape. i am sure you heard it. it is a brief. >> i know it, yes >> how do we get them to i am a proponent e cs business was to mark i happen to be a proponent of a single-payer ever so >> when did the president change his mind. he said he is not for a single

payer system. but at that time he thought it was the best plan? >> as the campaign progressed, and i think he saw the kind of opposition to this kind much program as a vested interest, i think he saw he would be fighting power battles against pharmesutical companies and insurance companies and medical organizations. lawyer organizations. and there is a lot of opposition to it. a lot of the opposition is not in favor of the american people . i think he is pragmatic and i think that has been his mistake. i don't think pushing this thing as fast is a good idea. it is an extraordinary complicated measure . i am afraid that if we get a bad measure to go through, it will set health reform back many years. >> i have to interrupt. but on that point we agree.

moving fast is not as important as moving well . sounds of the sirens in the background i think someone is rushed a medical facility and i hope they are insured. >> it is an honor to have you with us. >> massachusetts and tennessee with health care plans similar to the ones that democrats are trying to pass. we'll ask edrindel and why it will work for his state and who will pay for it. we'll be right back. ed rendell who favors universal healthcare who favors universal healthcare and wandsqñg you could buy 300 bottles of water.

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huckabee report. the health care bill would be a federal man date and how it is impacting the states and how would the funds be in each state. edrindel from pennsylvania. coming to us from harrisburg, pennsylvania. get right into this. how is this proposal going to impact the states. if i was a governor i would want to know if it was a budget buster. >> it is interesting, mike. we don't know. there are so many different versions. senate finance commito said one of the things they will do to insure more coverage increase medicare from 100% of the federal poverty to 133 percent and in that increase, the first three year the federal government will pick up the cost and then the fourth year states have to pick up 10 percent and we don't know what will happen down the road. >> you and i know.

they will put the costs on the states. they always have. >> and we've taken the position, the governor's association. both republican and democrat we don't want unfunded man dates. you know shape most states are in. but one of the things mike, i know you will remember this. number one. giving the state the and clun act that was put on each state for the prescription program medicare part d.

what is guess to happen. 90 percent. we are suspicious like you are, mike no question about it. >> i will do house keeping. i know a lot of viewers don't know the call back. the piece when medicare part d took a cost of the prescription federal government said the states were getting a benefit they would take the money back. i want to make sure our viewers understands. >> each state pays a significant amount. >> this going to cost more money. can we at least agree no matter what we do. if you insure more people it will cost more money and taxes are probably going to go up for everybody? >> there is no question about that, mike in the short run. in the long run, i believe firmly that the president is right, that we can cut significant costs out of it to make it budget neutral.

two pennsylvania examples. hospital acquired infection. you know what a problem that is. we passed the regulatory bill and in one year cut hospital acquired infection and saved 358 million of charges to the health carey system. on diabetes, going to a new model of treating diabetes. team approach and you work with the diabetic and don't wait until they get in the emergency room we cut costs by cane percent. in the first couple of years it is tough to roll that up. but i am a firm believer in seven or eight or nine or 10 we'll see the cost savings continue. but in the first couplev year there is no question of new revenues. when we do our plan in pennsylvania, i tried to get the legislature to adopt a plan like massachusetts or --

>> the massachusetts plan is a fiscal disaster for them and 10 care in tennessee. maybe what you said is what outought to happen. why don't they test the idea in the states like yours and if you work like you found success. but they are about to do a one size fits all approach here. wouldn't that be better way to go about it? >> i think so. mike. but they have studied. i know for example. that the administration asked us for our cost savings on hospital acquired infection and emergency room usage and chronic care diabetes and heart conscience andaz mampt they have studied what the states have done. no question, anybody who looked at the system. you know it from the days as governor of arkansas. we can save money. but there is no question of revenues up front. my program that i was going to roll out.

44 percent of the revenue come from the federal government in waivers anditate government. and 55 percent coming from the employers and employees. you are absolutely right. individuals have to have a stake in the game and pay something for the health care. it shouldn't be toltsly. >> i wish we could keep you longer. we have to let you go. but thank you, again governor rendell. who should make the call on your care and how much input should you have. one next guest is one of the chief architects of governor of u. mining mike levitt coming up. do not go away. combination of seven tantalizing flavors your cat craves. friskies signature blend. feed the senses. i switched to a complete multivitamin with more. only one a day men's 50+ advantage... has gingko for memory and concentration.

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hours. no members of the prison staff were hurt. back to huckabee. keep it here on fox. your latest headline go to your internet, fox news.com. >> and follow on twitter and get regular updates joining us is the secretary under president bush and gov of utah michael levit. >> i don't want this program to be all about telling people what is wrong with the plan that is are out there. tell me, you looked at this. what is right about this and what could i find in there? >> it has a lot of goals. this is a problem we have to solve. if we don't reform health care it will break our country. we all want people to have insurance and revention to drive down the costs.

those are the right things to aim for. this bill does nothing to drive down the costs. it will add a trillion and half dollars to a debt that has exploded with the bailouts, with the stim tim package and i think that has people uncomfortable. it started out as a debate about fren million people. you have debunked that myth . now about the people who have it. people are deeply concerned and the uncertainty. >> audience agrees with that. we are getting thousands of emaim in the program and had a lot. piles of them. i just want to get this one. this one is coming in . this doesn't say who it is from. will america's health records be sent to an office in washington d.c.. people are scared about the invasion of privacy.

you understand about that process . >> i think are bigger worry than that. if it were to happen is a big worry. but i worry about the influence on health care we can gain accessed to. if you look at socialized system and many advocate single payer plan patterned after. there are two very, very important problems. one is waiting lines and other rationing. this is all about getting more people insured by the government. this means more people will have health care that is control would by the government and some point in time there is a tipping point when private insurance will not be viable and you end up with a single payer-like system. you call it a trojan horse but the reality is more health

care decisions made by bureaucrats and not patients. >> a sixth of our economy in the health care system. you helped to reform health care in the '90s. the feds had to follow the model that was road tested. this is a situation where the feds want a one size fits all national program without it being tested except for the twitates in massachusetts and tennessee. i point them out. mike, it hasn't worked very well there. >> governor, i am persuaded that the federal government and congress would enable the states with a series of tools they currently don't have within four years, the states could organize the market place in a way if a person was older or if they had a disable or if they were poor, we could help them. everyone could have a choice of plans. the states could accomplish that. that's what we did on welfare reform.

national standarped and then the states were empowered to do what needed to be done. they did it slightly different in one state. but they took the best and both parties are proud of it . 10 years later we look back on one . great achievements. because we empowered the state to make the choices. [applause] >> one of the reasons that it works. states were left with a lot of of plex ible. but i don't see the flexibility for the states and governor rendell said there was not the level of flexible we need. a concern i have and you know it better than anyone in america. the law is ambigous and a lot of people are afraid of what it says. you would understand that the law is tipecal ambigous is done in the agency level. like the one you ran. how concerned are you the

ambiguit would have concerns. once the rules and regulations are drafted we are stuck. >> governor, you put your finger on a part of this. it is the big bang with no details. they are going to pass a bill that has a series of headlines and aspirational goals and turn over to a federal commission and various parts of the federal government to design the nitty-gritty regulations. why? because they don't have to put those in front of the people. it goes throw a process they control. this is a serious part of this. >> so what the people need to be afraid of is what they don't know. you hear people in the town halls and they are upset of something they read and a lot of congressmen haven't read the bill and people ever afraid of it but what they are afraid of if that gets passed . the way it is interperted. did you find fighting the

bureaucracy was one much your greatest challenges? >> it is a very, there are tremendous degrees of power. it is laborous . hard to change once it happens it is clear to me what is happening here. you have a thousand pages . we are going to have limited debate . then pass a bill and turn it over to the bureaucracy can let them design the details and a health care system run by the government. >> michael, i wish you were in charge of putting these details. our crowd is not happy. we haven't. -- are you a mob? just oust curiosity. you are all ridgistered in the white house we want you to know. i want to say thank you very much and what incredible insight you have. no one understands it better

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dr. david. welcome . in the interest of full disclosure. i have known you many yearings . you still came on the show. that is remarkable. >> i really think you are one of the most fair and balanced men i have seen in public office. >> i appreciate that very, very much, thank you. i wanted you here because of your showos pbs and writings, i don't know of anybody in the country who knows about the process of aging and issues that you do. people who are seniors are scared about obama care, should they be in >> to be frank i don't think they should. but everybody should understand that one of the biggest crisis is the graying of america. 72 million people are advancing toward old age. in the next 20 years, the percentage of the population over the age of 65 will double

and they use more health care. all of us will reach the age of 85 and that percentage of the population will triple . unless we develop a solution to health care, our future looks very bleak. >> the concern people have about rationing. i am sorry we decided that you will not be able to get the treatment. >> the problem is that we don't do too little but we do too much. we do too much of the wrong care and not enough of the right care. health of our health care dollars are spent on unnecessary expensive care it is largely determined by physicians. >> but if physicians are only reimbursed because of procedures, wouldn't we be better to pay them on the outcome and quality. >> there are serious concerns. no primary care physicians in our country. we are paid for procedures. more we do more we are paid.

if you cut the cost for doctors they'll do more. change the way in which physicians are paid. we have to empower our patients. everybody out there to understand that you need to be involved and educated about health care decisions. >> you know, you are making a point that many of us are trying to make. you shouldn't trust insurance companies or the government. you ought to trust yourself. >> and don't trust your doctor, just because he or she said something doesn't necessarily mean it is the truth. you have to be empowered. >> you do say that we need it pay doctors a reasonable fair return. >> there is no question that we need to pay the physicians that do in the trench's care. >> primary physicians. >> i am out there taking care of patients on a daily basis. i know what the issues are. there is no one who wants to do what i do because no one is

paid sufficiently for primary care. we pay for high quality high tech care. our doctors are going in the wrong fields and spending too much money on the wrong issues and we are facing disaster. >> if we put new people in the system who will take care of them want? >> i think there are two questions here. uninsured americans all of whom are under the age of 65 and people like me. every five seconds someone is turning 65 years of age. we are covered with health care. but unless we do something. no one will be out there or available or able to take of me in the future because of the costs. we cannot think the costs increase when the number of people over the age of 65 is going to double. >> we have gotten so many e-mail questions. this is from paula yawnson from tennessee. why is it criminal for a

parent to deny a child treatment but not when our government denies treatment. that is a powerful question. >> firstly, part of the issue is that the government shouldn't deny treatment. insurance companies shouldn't deny treatment. the problem we think of that as rationing. we have to stop practicing the wrong care . start with the right care. we have to start being educated. if a diagnosis is made and someone said you need open heart surgery. before you accept that. will the surgery prolong my life and improve the quality of my life . what are the complications and where the sound scientific evidence of what you are saying is true? we know that a significant fraction of invasive cardiac procedures are uninousand yet we do >> we have to continue this conversation soon and it

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>> so you would like to be a part of the our studio audience call . it is time to lin to what our studio audience has to say. we'll get to those in a moment. kaley is up there. who up there has a question for us? >> i am greg. my wife lynn and i are

concerned about the public option. if it pass and doesn't work can it be repealed. >> ronald reagan said. eternal life on earth is government programs. we are good at getting one started but we have an impossible time of letting it go . so the worry is probably not. you can look at a lot of government programs that kept going. >> we have had a lot of e-mails. >> thousands since the show started. >> sandy from arizona wants to know so many people say it is an emergency we have to do something now. as i understand it none of them take affect before 2013. if this is true shouldn't we slow down if do it right? >> we many people in the town halseare saying it is not that we don't look at issues in the

health care system. we all agree it needs to be done. everybody said that. but the question is what and when? when is big issue. many of us are concerned about it being pushed so hard. can i make this observation? i thought the best statement of all was not mine but one of those guys in the town hall. we are trying to shove it down the american people three weeks and took the obamas six months to get a dog for the kids. that said it all. >> we all know where socialized health care will lead to. what kind of basis will it get for more government programs? >> there will be more government programs and we don't know where it leads. this is what we know. when government creates something we know there is a

lot of auxiary items with it social security or medicare or medicaid. you remember the $400 hammers and ridiculous costs that took place. it happens because so many hands touching it. too many fingerprints on the federal system. one of the reason i advocating for road testing in the state level let's see what works and then apply it to a federal system and make sure you have evidence that it is going to function before you put it in all 50 states because then we can't fix it. >> janet from ohio. i would like you to discuss the horrendous abortion man date that we will be force to pay. the entire media seems silent. >> the media is silent. i am pro life. i am very prolife and i think people know that. i am not objective and i am honest. i am passionate of life having

value and meaning and my tax dollars should not be used to end the life of an innocent unborn child for any purpose because someone think its is politically correct. we don't know for sure. there is not specific language that said it will be. but the massachusetts bill which i often said this is close to a model that we have had. $50 for a co-pay you can get a abortion in massachusetts. i don't want that part of the federal plan. here is another fact you need to realize . republican members of congress tried to add an amendment that there would not be federal money used and the democrats said they would not include the language. if you are not encluding abortions why don't you enclude the language. on that basis alone, unflapable prolife person, i could not support the bill that makes our tax dollars pay

for that. down in the first row. >> i am richard . someone is self employed and having a hard time paying premiums, what is going to happen to them under the new plan. >> what we need to be concerned as maul business operators. if you are currently paying insurance for your employees under the various plans, one eight percent penalty that would be a tax . other 750 penalty that you would pay. you are better off telling your employees you go to the public option because i would be better off as a small business operator paying the eight percent or paying the 750 fine than i would in the private sector on the cost of insurance. the president said keep your plan. i keep saying there will fot be a plan to compete with. government is subsidizing the plan and the other one has the

subsidy. the outcome of reality there will not be a choice that i keep hearing we will be able to keep. >> this is from minnesota. we know competition brings down cost as the beautev capitalism. why are the states limited? >> part of the that is because the insurance companies are regulated in the state level and that could be reformed. thanks to all of you who gave us e-mails and calls. because your paption has been helpful. we'll be back with closing thought to wrap it all up. don't go away. retionary strip that sticks to your teeth so well, you can even drink water with it on.

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the answer -- the answer is not to nationalize health care, but to personalize health care so that we own our own coverage, and therefore we own our lives and our future. a health savings account which empowers me to not only make decisions but disney incenses to take airbus up and be responsible. that makes a lot more sense than abandoning control of my body to people that i don't know and frankly i don't trust. as for the congressional plan, if you really trust the same members of congress to spend your tax dollars recklessly, unobtrusive dollars in deficits, waste billions of dollars, then you're probably going to like what they come up with. but if you think that you run your business and your family more efficiently than government, you need to say no, and said loudly and clearly. to their plan for your life. you can e-mail me@mikehuckabee.com, click on the fox show feedback. it may remind you, don't miss next week's show. guitar