translation on that one. it sounded like a very good question. [laughter] . [speaking in spanish] [speaking in spanish] >> i will just address the two

questions that apply to the u.s. we have been very supportive of the maritime initiative, and we will continue to be. we have already seen resources transferred, equipment transferred, in order to help president calderon in much is a very courageous effort to deal with a drug cartel -- said of drug cartels that are not only resulting in extraordinary violence to the people of mexico, but are also undermining institutions like the police and judicial system. unless stopped, it will be damaging to the country. with respect to the conduct to this battle on the cartels, i have great confidence in president calderon's administration applying the law

enforcement techniques that are necessary to curb the powers of the cartel, but doing so in a way that is consistent with human rights. we discussed this in our bilateral meetings, and i am confident that as the national police are trained, as the coordination between military and local police officials is improved, there is going to be increased transparency and accountability, and human rights will be observed. by far the biggest violators of human rights are the cartel's themselves who are kidnapping and extortion people, encouraging corruption in these regions. that is what we are committed to doing. >> we continue with alex

panetta, canadian press. >> on the question of visas, it is important to understand the issuance of the navy said is due to a dramatic rise over the last years, and this year in particular in the number of bogus refugee claims being made from mexico into canada. it is important to understand the decision has nothing to do with the actions of the mexican government. the mexican government has cooperated with us in efforts to stem this particular problem. it continues to work with us in ways we might reverse it. but the underlying problem, as i said to president calderon and others, the problem is in canadian refugee laws. it is far too easy in get enough to make a bogus refugee claim to

enter the country. we have to change that. it is unfair to those who are legitimate refugees, as well as to the hundreds of thousands of people working through the immigration system. as i say, we will continue to work with mexican authorities to limit this problem but an absence of legislative change, it is difficult for our governments to control this, other than through the imposition of visa. it is one of the only tools available to us now, so we need more tools to stem the notice claims. >> are there more questions?

>> [speaking in spanish] >> [speaking in spanish] [speaking in spanish]

>> just one case where the proper authority has not acted in a correct way, not a competent authorities have not punish anyone who has abused their authority, whether they be police officer, soldiers, or anyone else. we have clear commitments which human rights. we have met this commitment and we will continue to do so. not because of any money that may come to remember that initiative -- in the maria initiative. i have always had this commitment. i have some details on when you have pointed out, but it

indicates it will certainly not be the first or last occasion on which we might hear something about an attempt against my life, my person, but once again, the government cannot be deterred. we know that we are destroying the criminal organization. we are hitting them at the heart of the organization. we are making them back away, and they know we are not only taking an initiative to fight against crime, but being able to defend our country better as time goes by. this is not a type of intervention to get back at people, but we want to make sure that mexico is a safe place to live, that we will be able to move forward.

our basic objective is to provide security and safety for the mexican people. this is something that mexican people are entitled to, to go out to the streets to play, go to school, make progress, and fulfil their aspirations that mexico is a free country. that mexico be a safe country. we will not be intimidated. once again, i certainly hope mexican society recognizes all the efforts we are making along these lines. the police force who have been victims by the terror the acts of these criminals -- cowardly acts of these criminals. these are values that we believe

in, and they are certainly stronger than any threat that can be made about us. once again, we have had dialogue with prime minister harper on several different occasions, as we did on this occasion, about the summit, and the matters of visas for mexican visitors. we have talked frankly, and certainly, mexico feels bad about this decision about the rejection, even though it is a privilege of the canadian government to stipulate this but it's simply gets in the way of a good relationship and what prime minister harper and i urge you to have good relations between the two countries. in his explanation, the prime minister mentioned the problem with the refugees, and this had led to an abuse of the system, so we will try to work together.

we are given as in mexico to try to do away with the underlying causes of these problems regarding the general system of excepting refugees into canada. it is clear to me that, as the president of mexico, that i have the obligation of insuring a specific topic on the bilateral agenda not deter or reach our potential for other matters on the agenda. here lies the great opportunity in this particular area of economic complement's, and this will take our region up to a higher state of competitiveness to the benefit of our people. the alliance had been working in we are making great strides in this sense and we will continue to work in these lines in a frank and open way with prime minister harper and president

obama. >> this question is 82 carter -- a two-partneer. >> i am wondering what you discussed in the meeting and what powers you personally have to rescind this measure and when you intend to use that power? on a not completed to the topic, health care. it has been an issue of tremendous debate in your country and canadians look on with some fascination as our health care system has become a political football in your country. i want to ask the prime minister and president obama, whether there are elements of the canadian system, particularly

the public model which are worth emulating. >> with respect to the buy america provision, your prime minister raises this every time we see each other. that is important to note. he is expressing his country's concerns. i think it is also to keep it in perspective, that we have not seen some sweeping steps to protectionism. there was a particular provision within our recovery package, stimulus package, that did not extend beyond that. it was wto compliant. it was not something that i thought was necessary, and but it was introduced at a time when we had a severe economic situation and it was important

for us to act quickly and not get bogged down in the day to around this particular provision. prime minister harper and i discussed this, and there might be mechanisms whereby local states and jurisdictions can work with provinces to allow possible -- cross border procurement practices that expands the trading relationship, but i think it is important to keep it in perspective. this has in no way in danger the billion dollars in trade taking place between our two countries. it is not a general provision but was restricted to a particular aspect of our recovery package. with respect to the health-care debate, we are having a vigorous debate in the united states and that is a healthy thing. the reason it is necessary is because we are currently on an unsustainable path.

we spend far more per person on health care than any other nation on earth. our outcomes in terms of various measures of well-being do not rank at the top. we are not doing better than a lot of other advanced countries who are spending much less per person. individual families are being bankrupted because of the lack of insurance we have. 47 million people without health insurance and our country. -- in our country. for those who do, they are always at risk of private interests eliminating their coverage because of a pre- existing condition or because they lose their jobs, change jobs. the final aspect of it is, our health care inflation is going up so rapidly, our federal

budget simply cannot sustain its, nor can businesses who are having to make these decisions. the whole system is not working. now, how do we change it when it is 1/6 of the economy? there will be a lot of changes -- opinions. congress has moved forward and we are closer to achieving a serious health reform package that we have been in the last 15 years, but there continues to be a vigorous debate. i said the canadian model works for canada. it would not work for the united states, in part, because we have evolved differently. we have an employer-based system and a private industry based system that stand side-by-side when medicaid and medicare and veterans administration health

care system. so we have to develop a uniquely american approach to this problem. this, by the way, is a problem that all countries will have to deal with at some level. as medical inflation continues to in flight, everyone's budget will be put under constraints. what we are trying to do is make sure we have a sensible plan that provides coverage for everyone, that continues to roll with the private marketplace, but provide people who are falling in between the cracks in the private marketplace, a real and meaningful option. and we have to do in a way that changes our delivery system so we are not engaging in the tides of inefficient medical spending that is so costly to us. i suspect we will have continued vigorous debate. i suspect you canadians will continue to be dragged in by those who oppose reform, even though i have said nothing

about canadian health care reform. i do not find canadians particularly scary, but i guess some people who do not want reform believe they make a good bogyman. i think that is a mistake. once we get into the fall and people look at the actual legislation being proposed, more sensible and reasonable argument will merge, and we will get it passed. sorry that it took so long. >> [speaking in spanishfrench]

>> we did have a good discussion. as president obama said, i am happy to see our provinces and federal government coming to an agreement to work collectively on this matter which is largely within their jurisdiction since this concern sub-national procurement. our respective trade ministers have been talking.

officials have been talking, and i anticipate president obama and i will be talking about this in greater length in the upcoming meetings. on the american health care debate, as we know, canadians support their own health care system. as for the rest of the question, my only answer is this is an american debate. >> and ginger thompson, "new york times." >> given the find that you have had to wait on health care, i wonder if you could tell us what the prospects are for immigration reform, comprehensive immigration reform, and whether you think that the blow you are taking now

on health care and that the democrats are likely to kick around the midterm election will make it hard, if not impossible, to achieve comprehensive immigration reform in this term, and what you told president calderon about that? president calderon, i would like to hear your thoughts about honduras. some in latin america have said that the united states have not acted strongly enough to return the president to power. i wonder if you could talk a little bit about how you feel about what the united states should or could be doing to restore democratic order in honduras. prime minister harper, a few months ago, the homeland security secretary of the u.s. aggravated canadian sensibilities when she compared the canadian border to the mexican border.

i wonder what you think about that, and how you feel about the united states using some of the enforcement strategies adopted on the southern border in the north. >> that's all? [laughter] >> that's all, mr. president. >> i do not know if you are doing some prognosticating about the midterm elections, which are over one year away. i anticipate we will do just fine. i think when all is said on health care reform, the american people will be glad that we acted to change an unsustainable systems so that more people have coverage, we are bending the cost curve, and we are getting insurance reform so that people are not dropped for pre-existing conditions or other issues.

understand, though, that i am not that -- acting based on short-term political calculations. i am looking at what is best for the country long term. if i have been making short-term political calculations, i would not be standing here as president because no one calculated that i could win the presidency. with respect to immigration reform, i continue to believe, it is also in the long-term interests of the united states. we have a broken immigration system, no one denies that. if we continue on the path we are on, we will continue to have tensions with our mexican neighbors, continue to have people across our borders in a way that is dangerous for them, unfair for those who are apppping legally to emigrate. we will continue to crack down

on employers who are not abiding by the system. that is going to depress u.s. wages. it is causing ongoing tensions inside the united states. it is not fair, and it is not right, and we are going to change it. i have a lot on my plate, and it is important to sequence these initiatives in a way that they do not all crash at the same time. what we have said in the fall when we come back we will complete health care reform. we still have to act on energy legislation that has passed the house, but i'm sure the senate will have its ideas on how it wants to approach. we still have financial regulatory reform that has to get done. we do not want a system in which irresponsible actions in the global financial markets can precipitate another crisis.

that is a pretty big stack of bills. fortunately, we have been able to begin meeting with democrats and republicans from the house and senate. secretary napolitano is coordinating these discussions, and i would anticipate before the year is out, we will have draft legislation along with sponsors potentially in the house and senate who are ready to move this forward. when we come back, we should be in a position to act now. am i going to be able to snap my fingers and make it done? no, it will require bipartisan cooperation. there will be demagogues out there who will try to suggest any form of a pathway to legalization for those already in the country is unacceptable. those are fights that i would

like to have is my poll numbers were at 70 or 40. that is just the nature of the u.s. immigration debate. ultimately, the u.s. people want fairness. we can create a system in which you can have strong border security, an orderly process for people to come in, but we are also giving an opportunity for people in the u.s. to be able to achieve a pathway to citizenship so that they do not have to live in the shadows, and so their children and grandchildren can have a full participation in the united states. i am confident we can get it done. excuse me, i know this was not directed at me, but i want to make one quick point on honduras. he repeated something that i have -- you reported something that i have heard before. the same critics who say the

united states has not intervened enough in honduras are the same people who say we are always intervening and we do not need to be in latin america. you cannot have it both ways. we have been very clear in our belief that president uriah was released illegally. it was a coup. if these critics think it is appropriate for us to suddenly act in ways that in every other context they would consider an appropriate -- inappropriate, then what that indicates is maybe there is some hypocrisy involved in their approach to

u.s.-latin american relations. that is certainly not going to guide my administration's policies. >> [speaking in spanish]

>> the mexican population represents in reverse to the total population and the u.s. the only way to have sustained growth in the north american region is only to allow the economic process sees for integration to happen. this implies labor mobility that cannot be determined by mandate or decree. this is what we have underscored with president obama during the meeting, to keep protection for the mexican laborers, whatever their migration conditions are in the u.s. and our highest praise for the way that the present have

tackled this issue. aside from defending the rights of the mexican laborers in the u.s., one day instead of the mexican people having to leave their country because there are hungry or because they have to risk their life, we need an economic scheme where we have greater investment coming from the u.s. -- trace: this is a fascinating conference coming from mexico. we have the mexican president felipe calderon, prime minister harper, and president obama. they are talking about everything from trade to the war on drugs to climate change. she got into health care. the president was asked about health care reform and he said it was on the back burner. on health care, he said this debate we are having across the country is a healthy debate. that would tend to counter some of the things coming from his

democratic colleagues in recent days. we will get into that much more. >> welcome to "the live desk." i thought you were supposed to do some translating? trace: the town hall is a timeless tradition that has allowed citizens to question their leaders directly. you have seen these things. americans do not believe that the health care bill will better their lives. in iowa, one person screamed, and could lead us down the wrong road. >> it looks like something that was not up in germany in the 1930's. a heart attack caused by a clot, one that could be fatal. but plavix helps save lives.

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>> officials are searching for two ohmore victims after that manner collision. a small airplanes land into a day sightseeing helicopter. it was a busy day with aircraft. both aircraft plummeted to this guy killing all nine people. now many are criticizing the faa for lack of oversight, saying one of the busiest airspace as it is like a free-for-all. we are above the hudson river. where exactly are you? >> 2,000 feet above the river between new jersey and manhattan. if we switched to the outside camera, you can see we are looking north of the hudson river. our guide is the wnyw helicopter

pilot. how dangerous is it up there? >> i would not say dangerous, but definitely a managed risk. even for a commercial airliner, there is some risk involved. we do the best we can to manage that. obviously, the risk is higher here in congested airspace, but that goes for everyone. >> you have put us at about 2,000 feet. i heard you say that the danger was at 1,100 feet because there is not much regulation down there. that is why you stay higher? >> yes, we stay higher in the news business. you are looking at the hudson river once again. in this particular spot, from the george washington bridge to

the east river, roughly two the williamsburg river, below 1,100 feet, you do not need to talk to anybody. that is why a lot of people like to drop below that threshold because they do not like to talk to people. >> you professionals know this air space. one of the problems could be people coming into this area who are not familiar with it but they are distracted by the skyline and that could be a problem? >> definitely, but we do not know if that was because of this accident. it is new york, everyone likes to take in the sights. >> back to you. trace: americans at town hall meetings across the country. there are concerned about the president's health care bill. some even suggesting that these

vocal critics could have a secret agenda. >> who sent you here? >> i said to myself -- sent myself! trace: trace: democrats are going after them now. here is what they said -- let us bring in doug scheon, republican pollster. we also have a former assistant to h w -- george h. of the bush. the democrats greeted this organizational monster with e- mails and social networking. all of a sudden on a key issue like health care, there is a sense that they are being out-

organized, so now are they lashing out? >> it seems so. you remember they invented citizens in the 1960's. look at the videos. are those thugs? our lawmakers afraid of average citizens concerned about health care that will affect every american? what are they afraid of? they are afraid they are not going to pass their generational legislation on the american people like they did with cap and trade and stimulus. trace: is a good point. the numbers bear that. most americans do not like this plan, and you bring up that point about the 1960's. everyone was protesting because they cared. this is supposed to be good for america. >> it is, and with the president was speaking of is the right tone, a vigorous debate. it does not help anyone motives

to yell, just as i do not think it is helpful to brand people in the pay of different interests. this country is based on free and vigorous debate. trace: but the president made his name organizing these types of debate. by the way, if you missed the news conference in mexico, he said that this debate was halted for america. -- healthy for america. >> i hope so. what i think is constructive is free and vigorous debate where people do not accuse others notice and do not resort to screaming. trace: i want to go back to nancy pelosi and steny hoyer. there quotation says -- the facts in this are very undefined. we still do not have a bill. we do not know what is going to

be in it, and we do not know who will pay for it. when they say they are disputing the facts, we do not know the facts. >> you are right, there are five bills out there. we are republicans, the innocent bystanders on the stat -- syed mind. they are in control and -- bystanders on the sideline. they are in control and they cannot even get it done. people do not understand what is being sold to them. trace: over and over again they have said that if you let your insurer, you will be able to keep it, but that is not true. >> i think what we need is a consensus in the democratic party and country that you can keep your health care the way in is, that we do not have a public auction, that we gradually increase coverage for the

uninsured, and we make sure pre- existing conditions are not an impediment. then we could end the are you and fighting and do what we all want, reform health care. trace: thank you. >> a sky-high debate about to take place in the senate. lawmakers are outraged over the debate to buy eight new jetliners for top officials. we will tell you who will end up footing the bill. and back-to-school time and worries about the swine flu. we will separate myth from fact. my doctor told me something i never knew.

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trace: we are awaiting michael bloomberg with a news conference. he will be with an italian ambassador. there will be focusing on that deadly collision.

that the typhoon's slam asia. more than 6 feet of water. this happened over the weekend. there are still some 400 people missing. in the bottom box, an intense hostage situation off the coast of somalia. pirates now releasing 16 sailors including 10 at times -- italians. juliet: testing of h1n1 vaccine are taking place across the coast this week. about 2500 paid volunteers are expected to participate, but lots of parents are beginning to ask questions, or read about what is in the vaccine and specifically if it will contain mercury-based additives. there is a lot of confusion about the vaccine. we want to help separate fact

from fiction. with me now is our managing health editor dr. manny alvarez. talk about this chemical. is it in the vaccine? >> it is a preservative that has been used in vaccinations for years. of course, it has perhaps been linked with autism, even though it has not been proven. most of these chemicals have been held them in from the vaccines, but the flu vaccine does have it. most badges of the swine flu vaccine -- batches of the swine flu vaccine may contain traces of thimerosal. if you go to a private physician or clinic, they will probably to get you a thimerosal-free

vaccine, but if you go to a public clinic, the chances are that it will have been. juliet: why not give adults the one with the thimerosal and kids the chemical-free version? >> the government really has a position that it is not truly bad for you. in mass marketing, they will probably produce a vaccine that do not have it, but if you are pregnant, for example, you need to be careful. in other words, come to your doctor. juliet: i get the flu shot every year, so does this mean that i should not get the h1n1 shot? >> you have to get it.

not necessarily the same fluid that you had was the same strain that is being covered by the vaccinations, so you have to cover both ankles. juliet: -- both angles. juliet: ok, so load up on the vaccines. swine flu, do people need to stay away from swine products? >> it is perfectly fine, good for you. and there is absolutely no correlation. do not worry about animals. juliet: why are they calling in the swine flu? >> because the influenza is a derivation of animals but it really has nothing to do with the animals. juliet: thank you. be sure to go to foxnews.com for

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juliet: welcome back to "the live desk." in the top box, michael bloomberg is meeting with italy's ambassador to the u.s., holding a news conference on in

mid-air airplane and helicopter collision. in the middle box, a lock down near the bank of america in sherman oaks, calif. after the bank manager heard noises in the vault. and in the bottom box, in hollywood florida, a whale is trying to beach itself. we will keep an eye on that. he is getting some help. trace: a note to bank robbers, break in during off hours. juliet: that was my joke. trace: u.s. border patrol agents reporting increased activity. they are catching seven times the amount of people. now a new tool is helping them bust the bad guys. casey stegall is with us in san

diego. >> good to see you. right now customs and border protection has high-speed boats in its fleet patrolling the waters around the country, but the problem is some of them are nearly 10 years old and the technology is outdated, but that is soon all about to change. this new interceptor is loaded with technology. the infrared camera allows agents to see things in the middle of the night with no light at all. we are tracking this sailboat that is about 1 mile and a half away. you cannot even see it with the naked eye, but is clear. this is also radio satellite over life. it allows agents to see obstacles in the water. one of the most important parts, the need for speed, right? you can see these new engines

have 500 more horsepower than the older versions, allowing them to go up to 20 knots faster. that is about 25 miles per hour faster. very significant when you are in the pursuit of a suspect. >> by next year they planned to begin exist -- replacing those existing boats with the new interceptor. maritime seizures have skyrocketed recently in part because more of the border fence is being built on the ground, so agents are seeing unprecedented bubbles of a drugs and immigrants coming in by sea. that is why they say it is so crucial to implement this technology, so that they can be one step ahead of the bad guys. we were on a writer earlier, and thank goodness for hair spray. it is pretty fast.

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juliet: welcome to "the live desk." trace: we are live inside the fox news room because this is where the news begins. that is the national desk. they are covering america. this is the foreign desk. they are covering the globe. every picture that comes into the fox news channel comes through here. but we begin with breaking news. juliet: median with a war of words over president obama's health care overhaul. basically turning violent at some of the meetings across the country. [captioning made possible by fox news channel] captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org-- it being >> sex something that you could buy in germany in the 1930's. -- >> it is like something that you could buy in germany in the

1930's. >> go home! juliet: that was the scene replayed over and over again. some are so angry at the health care reform effort, the aarp members are ripping out their membership card. >> they seem to be on another law when it comes to being upset. maybe it is because so many of them are close to these issues. the numbers we have been getting show that there are even more upset than average population. there are more about possible medicaid cuts as a way to pay for the reform package. they also do not like to -- when the idea of having to discuss what you want to do with your life, with your doctor. many seniors also sincerely object to the public auction.

they believe the aarp is supporting these aims. they say they are too cozy with democratic leaders, and now they are taking their frustrations out on the organization. juliet: i assume there has been a response to this? >> absolutely. they have said that they have not endorsed any of the legislation. they did in by president obama to speak at a town hall, but we have not said we are signing on to the specific things. they are also launching a multimillion dollar ad campaign on the web, television, radio, and printed. they say the aim is to rebuff the myths that are out there about health care reform and aarp, and what they are supporting. they are entering with a hefty price tag to make people -- make sure people do not get the wrong information. trace: lawmakers tried to clip

their wings on first-class flying. the house wants more than $5 million for luxury jets. the missus -- resistance coming from lawmakers. they disclosed $6.2 million in travel expenses for the month of august. senator claire mccaskill says congress is sending the wrong message. south carolina mark sanford used aircraft for personal use, some of his trips to argentine and topping $6,000. with me now is the president of citizens against government waste. the reason congress is getting them is because they say the aging fleet is too expensive to maintain. what they are going to do by

buying the new jets is really save us money. >> there are 24 already. the pentagon has asked for a few. two of our latest -- have already been earmarked for someone. we can understand why they have not mentioned to. this is a terrible example to be sitting at a time when people are out of work. they are controlling executive compensation. the house just passed a bill that says we will decide what people are paid, but we are going to take a jet. trace: that is the problem. people have a problem believing conagra's. when they say we are going to spend $550 million on these new jets and we are going to say the money. the bottom line is, people have a hard time believing their congressional members. >> certainly, we do not need 12

congressional delegation going to germany this month. we know what our relationship is like with the country. by the way, there is an easy way to spend on congressional trouble. do not go as much or consolidate what you are doing. everyone else is cutting back. trace: we did the math, and it would take years of flying these jets almost nonstop to make up for the savings. >> of course, nobody said that they are totally obsolete. they are apparently working. they have had trouble getting the president a new helicopter, tankers to the army, and congress always has a pretty

easy time taking care of themselves. trace: this has just goes to the very core of what americans are so i read about, the hypocrisy of it all. >> absolutely. in governor sanford's case, some of those trips could be connected to official business. we do not want to take any chances. unemployment in south carolina is 12.3%. he stood against wasteful spending, and should have erred on the side of caution. if anything was going to be raised for question, he should have paid for it personally. it really brings up the question of how officials are using public money. trace: there may be legitimate

reasons. it is just like those ceo's when they came in. it just looks bad. thank you. juliet: school is opening in a few weeks and there is a big fear the h1n1 virus will hit hard. officials are working on a vaccine as we speak, and emory university is conducting the first test of this vaccine. jonathan serrie is with us from georgia. how are they testing this vaccine? >> it is going on in this building behind me. this is the whole clinic of emory university. volunteers are getting vaccinated in there. in addition to getting injections of its h1n1 vaccine, they are also doing blood work, checking their antibodies, to see if they are building their resistance to the disease.

the ultimate test will be whether or not any of these volunteers come down with the h1n1 after a general social exposure. if they do not, it means the vaccines are potentially working. these people will be tracked in the next coming days and months, to determine whether the vaccine they are testing here is the one that they will approve in the fall. juliet: are these just how altruistic, wonderful people who are volunteering for the good of society? are they being paid? >> they are being paid a pretty small stipend. the volunteers we spoke to this morning said money has nothing to do with it. they would still be volunteering even if no money was involved. one of them was a regular who had come to test the vaccine for various other ailments.

others were first-timers'. all of them said it was this altruistic desire to find a prevention for h1n1 and hopefully save the lives of many americans. juliet: i should not be so cynical. what are schools doing to prepare? >> some schools have started. today was the first day for many schools in georgia. they are trying to better educate parents and students on basic hygiene. they are being more productive in washing common areas. the cdc is offering some new guidance. you saw lots of schools being closed down in the spring as a result of this, and we probably will not see a repeat of that. the cdc says it is not very effective. students can be contagious before they develop symptoms. the emphasis should be on better

hygiene and preventing the spread of this disease, rather than any corrective school closures. juliet: closing down the schools, tell that to the parents. i think they will have a different reaction. trace: you are forced to land in a strange city because of bad weather, that is fine. but you are not allowed to get off the airplane for nine hours. the reason they could not get off is the most astounding of all.

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are still missing, including their plan. the airplane was carrying three people, the helicopter, five people sightseeing. rescuers found the body of a third airplane passenger. the remains of five people aboard the helicopter have been found. that is the wreckage from the helicopter. there is evidence from the ntsb that says the helicopter was rising, and remember, the airplane and helicopter from behind. that makes sense because if you look at the piper, the wings are below diffuse a lunch. you cannot see what is below you. for the helicopter, the blind spot would be above. the helicopter may have been rising, the airplane may have been coming down, and neither one taught each other.

-- saudi to other. not much communication. juliet: i live in the area. it seems like a wide open space that you could not miss something like an airplane coming at you. again, the investigators are looking at why this happened. trace: that is a live look, by the way. we showed you jonathan serrie earlier. in areas like this, and they would always recommend using your visuals when you are flying, not depending on the instruments.

juliet: horrifying for those people on the pier watching in hoboken. speaking of nightmare stories, it much like being in a sardine can. that was the word of one passenger trapped aboard an express jet for nine hours. that is not a large plane. it can only fit about 50 people. these people were travelling from houston to the twin cities. there were some thunderstorms and then they were diverted to rochester, minnesota. then the passengers get word that they have to stay overnight for nine hours. katie from flyersrights.org is with us. why were they kept on the airplane for nine hours? >> i would be lying if i try to give you a rational explanation.

every day i have been pushing for an airline passenger's bill of rights. we were also stopped for nine hours in austin. it is not pretty. in a plane that small, there is no excuse for the airport and airline not to have communicated with each other to get them off the flight, or having brought them their basic human needs. juliet: that is what we need to point out. the airport was closed and they did not want to pay overtime to bring people into the airport. they just kept them on the airplane. describe what was possibly happening during this nine hours. there were babies on the airplane, one with that? >> i spoke to someone and he said that around him were four screening infants. next to him was a very large man. people were yelling at the flight attendants.

the pilot was not giving them honest answers. here is nothing -- the weather does not make a determination to keep the airplane on the tarmac. god makes the weather, but the airlines make a determination on how they will handle it. they do not have a plan. our bipartisan legislation in the senate was just passed through the commerce committee and there is a plan for every airport in the country and airlines to get people off in a maximum of three hours and provide basic human needs in the middle of it all. juliet: you are very involved in this. what could a conceivable plan before that particular situation? i thought they could just have them board a bus and bring them to a nearby hotel. >> that is what they should have done. they should have brought a bus

over, and if not, the fire department. it is possible to deplane safely from the tarmac. it is possible. juliet: what happens after something like this happens? those passengers are understandably furious. i hope they get free flights for the rest of their life. >> they want to. that is why we need to push for an intervention. the victim i had spoken to, he said the passengers were so furious, they went up to customer service agents screaming, and agent said to call continental. so they did, and they were told, it is not us, you need to call expressjet.

so no one would take responsibility for owning that airplane. juliet: it is a vicious cycle. trace: the reason we kept on telling those pictures, that is how big it was inside. you think you are tied on a 747? --tight on a 747? it is unacceptable. juliet: they did not want to pay to bring anyone to the airport. trace: both sides of the argument is inexcusable. so well banks run out of money and receive your money? but when you run out of money, then turned his you for going over your limit. how much do you think banks made a loan from overdraft fees?

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trace: we could be closer to the end of the worst u.s. recession since the great depression. a survey of private economists found 9% believe the downturn could be declared over by this quarter -- 90% believe the downturn could be declared over by this quarter. however, many expect jobs to take a bit longer to come around. juliet: general motors is testing selling on ebay. they are testing this idea. consumers can browse new vehicles, ask dealers questions

and figure out financing and hagel prices, all over ebay. the trial will begin in california first, but gm hopes to expand this program as early as september. trace: a new report shows banks across the country, the ones stuck in the with overdraft fees, are expected to make money from those fees. would you believe $38 billion a year? a lot of that cash likely comes from customers who are counting every penny and then they get it back to them in taxes and bailouts. eric bolling is here with more. >> the same study also found the people most likely to overdraft on a track were the ones who could least afford it, the ones on the lower end of the spectrum. the most interesting part of the

study, and the feast they charged averaged $33. that is way above the national. nationally is around $26. those happen to be four of the biggest t.a.r.p. recipients. said they are borrowing our money and really sticking it to you. it is not just over drafting a check. it is also going over your credit. if you call them and ask for permission and used overdraft, they will still get you. trace: and even if you have written five checks, and you are over your balance, you would be charged each time.

why so much? >> there are figuring out a way to make money. they are being told not to charge excess credit card fees. some have waived credit card fees to offset the losses. they said if we are not going to be able to turn you on your credit card, we are going to get our money back somehow. juliet: many will say that they've are protecting us, protecting us from overdrafting. >> bank of america in april said that we have overdraft protection, and then cancelled it without you knowing. trace: eric bolling every night on the happy hour. if you do not have the fox business network, stop

everything right now. you really need to get it. juliet: town hall meetings in missouri. claire mccaskill kicking off a series of forums. can folks have a civil conversation war will tempers flare up as we have seen in a lot of these other town hall meetings? n

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the operations have halted for now because of the current. investigators believe there was likely a problem with congested airspace and the lack of regular radio communication. trace: thank you. you see this scene behind her, crystal clear and blue. it is also half. the janice dean? -- it is also hot. janiceedean? -- janice dean? >> we are forecast well above 92. when you factor in what it feels like with the humidity, it feels like 96 in new york, 100 in philadelphia. taking a look at some of those temperatures across the atlantic, 100 in raleigh.

we are back to the 80's tomorrow in new york. trace: thank you. that is brand new information. juliet: this is a fox news alert. we have been telling you about health care town halls around the country getting pretty heated. claire mccaskill just finished one in missouri, one of several she is holding today. this one was pretty tame according to reports. let's go right to carl cameron who is reporting. what is it looking like? >> there is no shortage of opposition. in fact, health care critics continue to show up in large numbers, some organized in large numbers, as just wanting to ask questions. claire mccaskill has another event scheduled to to more -- or tomorrow. there was one event that was

cancelled at a high school because there was concern over these types of the angry protests. the senator found out exactly what the opposition must, asking them to identify themselves, almost from the outset. >> why don't you raise your hand if you are so mad about the idea of health care reform you cannot even think straight? >> a lot of hands went up. in fact, one woman said that she was pretty unhappy being dunned for being part of a month for expressing her opinion. that has been the sentiment from critics who want to be heard. critics say it is astroturf, a reference to a manufacturer grass-roots know -- movement. juliet: that brings me to my next question.

steny hoyer and nancy pelosi have an article calling these destructors un-american. we have noseen the video, and tt is not going over well. >> republican lawmakers have begun to denounce nancy pelosi for her denunciations of protesters, saying it misses the point of town hall meetings where dissent is welcome. it is worth noting democrats are very organized. in fact, barack obama is an organizer in chief. they are providing support information to combat some of the criticism. there have been tens of millions of dog -- dollars donated on both sides. the idea that their input is somehow in violation of rules in no way the laws are passed and public opinion is forged seems

to miss the point. juliet: denunciation of denunciation of the denunciations'. i love politics. trace: for more on this, we have michael barone, a senior member of the fox news team. does it matter if these people are being brought by talk radio hosts or by their own anger? this is how america works. >> we are seeing a pretty spontaneous movement. that club that you are showing over and over is not typical -- clip that you are showing over and over pearis not typical. drowning people out is not on american, although nancy pelosi and steny hoyer believe so.

the biggest evidence of organizing, as carl noted, is people on the democratic side. union people coming in with printed current and the people objecting to the plans are coming with homemade signs, people from that area who are genuinely upset. it seems democratic leaders are surprised at the opposition. conservatives have been a pretty quiet and disillusioned bunch since the bush a administration, and suddenly they are speaking up and the democrats do not like what they hear. trace: is not like the republicans had to search far and wide to find people who oppose this legislation. it is not as if these town halls is an anomaly. this is how the country feels. >> i think so, when you look at his approval numbers on health care.

it has been annette negative since just about july 22 when he spoke about the subject. the more the president has been talking, the less popular it has been. last thursday he was in virginia and he said i do not want the folks who created this mess to do a lot of talking. when you ask the other side to shut up, you are admitting you were losing the argument. i think that is the case here. if you read the piece by steny hoyer and nancy pelosi, who i have known and liked, there is a certain smugness in it that all rational people will agree with them when they see the facts. that is not true. trace: the president echoed that today. he said this is good for america, clearly trying to distance himself from the people

who say that this is on american. as a matter of fact, this is how he got his career going. >> that is right. it is ridiculous to see a former community organizer in denouncing community organization. the worst violence that has been reported was this seiu thug to another black man who was handing out flags. he is in a wheelchair now. a lot of media has not covered it because it does not fit their pattern of moderate democrats and radical right wingers. it is unlawful to assault someone in that way, but to stand up and disagree with someone, even to be rude, to boo

a speaker, those are not unamerican. trace: and they are well dressed, to boot. >> barbara boxer criticize them about their dress. she looks terrific. trace: in the bottom box, this is from hollywood, california. -- hollywood, florida. there are two pygmy whales trying to beached themselves. they came into very shallow waters and you have groups trying to shepherd them back out to open waters. they tried to beached themselves, and now veterinarians are trying to get them away.

the vetts want to get them back to sea. juliet: that is the mother? trace: that is the cash. it is hard to see. they are pygmy wales. you can see the jet skiers, there are trying to push them back out. the mother might well be on the beach. we are told one of them did beach themselves. that is why you have all of these people working. this is live, by the way. trace: you see the fin? juliet: this is not the first time this has happened in that area. let's cross our fingers that

mama gets back out there. trace: their first job is to keepthe whale moist. much more pictures coming in next.

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trace: there is breaking news on the beach in hollywood, florida. we just have live pictures, but this is taped. there is a whale that has beached itself. just off the coast, just outside the picture, is the calf of that whale. there are beachgoers, veterinarians, and others try to keep this whale moist. \ it has some sort of ailment

and veterinarians are on scene. we are also told the claalf was near the area trying to beach itself. we will get you the status on that rescue mission. mother nature, a weapon of mass destruction against asia. a typhoon drenched in the area with waves topping 75. more than six and a half feet of rain in today's some emerging most single story buildings. so far 22 confirmed dead in the philippines, at least 600 people missing or buried alive by a massive mudslide in taiwan. the unbelievable scene was caught on tape. this is a hotel toppling over into the raging river. the foundation was weakened by the rapids. as of this morning, the storm

was pummeling japan trucks were being tossed around. at least 12 people killed in the flooding and subsequent landslide. 10 others remain missing. now to london where we are watching all of this. taiwan has been battered. do we know about the extent of the death and damage? >> the facts and figures that you cited strike or in the minds of people, but the pictures drive home how terrific it can be to be caught up in a natural disaster. we do not have firm numbers for the missing or dead. the latest from taiwan is that a month mind basically covered up part of the village in as many as 600 people are missing. in terms of death tolls, it is in the dozens, but there are dozens more missing aside from those hundreds, and the mudslides.

of course, there has been destruction to property, livelihood. people have lost entire chicken farms. while this has now been downgraded to a tropical storm, the affects of it continue to be very battering to the region. of course, a new typhoon has landed on japan. trace: do we know the situation on that? >> the chinese evacuated 1 million people right from the beginning. it moved up along the coastal area. there are many fishing villages there, and they are so vulnerable to this type of storm. there have been fishermen lost at sea, rescued at sea. china evacuation of people, but there still has been an awful lot of destruction and a few

deaths reported on the mainland in the southern part of china, as far up as shanghai. trace: thank you. over to the national desk. that is where and juliet is. juliet: that is right. what is happening today? >> we are putting jonathan pond back in a helicopter. -- hunt back in a helicopter. he is in the hudson river area. i was shocked to learn that all of the communication under 1,100 feet is visible, no communication. juliet: remember, all those people in hoboken, they have these little pierce, they were

watching. gregg: i know you have also been watching these town hall meetings. it does not help when the speaker of the house calls people nazis. we are going to have a fair and balanced debate. we are also going to talk about the trend of the government and where the money is coming from -- your wallet. juliet: id should be a great show. thank you. back to you. trace: cash for clunkers. gregg: i got rid of mind. trace: that is right. anita vogel is in california. >> they are smashing refrigerators.

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trace: cash for clunkers, now the sequel. rebates for refrigerators. in california if you turn in that energy-eating monster in your basement foyou will get a rebate for a more efficient model. how is this week -- working, anita? >> this is the prequel, it has

been going on for quite some time. many people have old, energy- guzzling refrigerators in their house or garage. call them up, and they will take your refrigerator's. these old, nasty refrigerators. they bring them here, they clean them out, and they are ready to be put into the crusher. picked up two at a time, dropped into this crusher and literally pulverized. the great thing is that they are able to take 99% of these parts and ship them to the recycling yard and used for scrap metal. you will get a $50 rebates towards a new energy-efficient refrigerator. trace: who pays for this? taxpayers? >> good question. [laughter] california edison is a private utility, they are footing the bill.

they say that they are getting a lot in return. they say that they have bumbled 8000 refrigerators since the program began, eliminating the need to build at least one new power plant. they are saving a lot of money in return. trace: any other states involved? >> there are some. i would suggest viewers to call their local utility company and tell them what southern california edison is doing. this program is happening in a number of states. trace: do you see that refrigerator over there? you have to take the door off if you have a defunct refrigerator, kids could get trapped in there. juliet: that is right. police believe that they have spotted the wreckage to that small airplane that collided with the helicopter over the hudson river. they are not able to bring it to

the surface yet. the latest on the recovery operations on "america's newsroom -- "studio b."

trace: there is the lighthouse on the shores of san francisco bay, turning into a dark place feared by criminals, alcatraz. 75 years on the rock, ex-con and prison guards gathered to celebrate. some of the word -- some of the world's most the tory as bad

guys served time there, including george machine gun kelly. juliet: trace gallagher. trace: the maximum security prison was shut down in 1963 after 29 years. now it is the tourist attraction, alcatraz. juliet: a little bit of history. thank you for having me today. i will be back again tomorrow. trace: i will see you back on " the fox report" tonight. [captioning made possible by fox news channel] captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org-- gregg: a dangerous mission to recover the victim from that terrifying weekend crash. we have a brand new details live above new york city in 30 seconds. first, here is what we are working on. number one, democratic leaders in the house are calling health care