megyn: few guessed that the heat would be dissipating in the battle over health care would be gone, you would be wrong. good morning, everyone. [captioning made possible by fox news channel] captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org-- jane: this next meeting for the president is in new hampshire. rick: you are looking live at the portsmouth high-school, more than one dozen activists groups are gearing up to get their voices heard. if other town halls are any indication, things can get rowdy. protesters have been shouting down lawmakers. moments ago we watched arlen specter get an earful from his

constituents. all of these protests have sparked controversy. top democrats, some of them calling them an american. -- un-american. the president praises the "vigorous debate." in a few hours he will get to see it firsthand. what are people saying, molly? >> we have protesters on all sides of this issue. on my left shoulder we have people who are pro health care reform. they are supporting obama. there is a big group of people here as well, global warming, a colorful group. on the other side of the street we have the folks on the other side of things. they are for limited government. they think the government should get out. there are some taxation folks,

concerned that the country is leaning towards a socialistic slant. the biggest group here today will be the folks getting inside. these other folks that actually have tickets that were randomly distributed through the administration. these folks were lucky enough to be there first hand. we can expect some tough questions from these individuals. this is new hampshire, a lot of politically savvy people live here. people have been coming in from surrounding states, a big group with a lot of variety. rick: there has been a lot of talk about whether these groups are truly grass roots or if it is part of a larger, organized effort. are you getting a sense that the people are there on their own or that they are there because someone told them to be there? >> there is a huge gamut of individuals here. there are union organizations represented over here, but i would ask individuals if they

were here as individuals and they said yes. particularly on the side where people are worried about limited government, not so much an organized group, they are each representing themselves. there is a real mix of people on both sides of the issue, driving in from far and wide. rick: everyone exercising their first amendment rights. thank you. jane: arlen specter is taking part in another town hall meeting health care reform. he is in lebanon this morning. he had a less than warm welcome in philadelphia last week, and the atmosphere has been similar. >> do you want to leave? >> i am going to speak my mind before i leave because your people told me i could.

i called your office and i was told i could speak. then i was lied to because i came prepared to speak. instead, you would not let anybody speak. you handed out like 30 cards? i have got news for you. you end your cronies in the government do this kind of stuff all the time. jane: heading to the second half of his town hall in louisburg later today, we will keep you updated. rick: could be good news on the economic front, productivity surged in this spring by the largest amount in almost six years. that is the amount of output per hour for work, a key ingredient in rising living standards. it means that the companies can pay more with the wage increases financed buyout but.

overall labor costs of dropped, plunging at the fastest pace in nine years. jane: the dow jones is down by nine points, a new report showing a surge in industrial production. seems that the market is holding its breath. the fed is meeting to talk about interest rates today. there is another big announcement coming from general motors. i had to do a double take on this headline, what are we hearing about the volt from chevy? >> 230 miles per gallon in st. driving. we are getting more details as general motors announced a new fleet of vehicles that they expected to have. this is important to all of us. new fleet, new company, the taxpayer is the predominant owner. we want to get our money back. this is what we know, 230 miles

per gallon. we know that the new hybrid vehicle for buick, expected by 2011, very strong in the asian market. there is a new camaro, it will be convertible. also a new cadillac coupe, a smaller and sportier cadillac. competing with those european brands. general motors is not a public company anymore, but they expect to be so again by next july. general motors is creating something called the lab, it is for consumers to give feedback. you can go ahead and take a stab at that. what do you say? jane: i would like to try it, i love fast cars. how fast does it go? i would love to put bipedal to the metal. -- my paddeddle to the metal.

>> job cuts have certainly settled in on the economy. it means that we are all working harder with less staff. the american worker is being wrung out. think about it like a sponge. productivity is up, but the american worker, the one that is still employed, is sure to done. jane: we will continue to watch those numbers with you and get back to you in a bit. thank you. rick: we are learning brand new details about the controversial support that bill -- warned about threats from so-called right-wing extremists. turns out the information was compiled from online media reports. shannon is live in washington. what can you tell us about this new information? >> as you mentioned, this report came from the department of

homeland security, talking about right wing extremists, people who are single issue focused, religious groups, even military veterans. many people were outraged at how they were classified. it turns out that americans for limited government were behind this. they submitted a freedom of information act request to the agency and they say that what they got back, most of it was just links to web sites and media reports about so-called right-wing groups. they said that if you are going to media reports and extract an assessment, they do not think that that is the best methodology. rick: is this what the group expected to find out? >> they pointed to other assessments, saying that many of them are based on hard for intelligence gathering.

they said they did not know what they would find, but they did not expect this. >> we expect that analysis, data, surveys that were undertaken to really get a good idea of whether the things that they claim our problems are actually problems. what we got, it looks like somebody's afternoon worth of snooping around on the internet. >> so far they have declined to comment directly on the issue. it is important to remember, janet napolitano said that we have to keep eyes on threats, but that there were problems with this particular report. rick: thank you. jane: breaking news coming from the pentagon. we are getting word that an al qaeda plot to attack an american base in kuwait has been foiled. details are a bit sketchy at this hour.

here is what we know, six nationals have been arrested. we do not know how much of a role our military intelligence played in stopping the attack. our pentagon team is working on this and we will bring you details when we get them. rick: two dozen people trapped several stories above the ground, no way down. nightmare scenario for a lot of people on a roller coaster. just wait until you hear how long some of them were stuck up there. jane: search crews are back on the hudson river again this morning, hoping to go down at about 3:00 this afternoon to retrieve the wreckage of the small airplane that collided with the helicopter over the weekend. nine people were killed. we will keep you posted. strength of zyrtec ® , the fastest, 24-hour allergy relief, i promise not to wait as long to go for our ride. with zyrtec ® i can love the air ™ .

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22 writers stocks seven stories high at the great american theme park in california. it suddenly came to a halt. fire crews had to go up to bring them down one at a time. after four hours, the last person hanging upside down was finally taken off. no word on what caused the problem. fortunately, everyone is ok. jane: on the hudson river right now, divers and recovery crews are preparing to pull up the wreckage of the airplane that collided with the sightseeing helicopter. nine people in all were killed, eight of the bodies have been recovered. 911 calls from witnesses had been released. listen.

jane: now they are going to tighten regulations on the private airspace over new york, along that river is where we are talking about. some people have described it as the wild west. what is it like? we spent rick to find out firsthand. -- we sent rick to find out firsthand. >> there have been calls by lawmakers in the new york area to put some restrictions in place over the hudson river. right now helicopters and small airplanes can fly over the river with virtually no regulation. they want to see if they can alternate airplanes and helicopters, restricting the aircraft from entering the airspace at certain times of the day. as long as these aircraft stay a certain different -- certain distance from airports, they can

go anywhere without restrictions. jane: specific recommendations, how far has that got in? >> they are proposing it and it is not the first time that they have proposed this type of legislation or regulations. we should point out that mid-air collisions are very rare across the nation. only seven on average each year across the u.s., that is considering the millions of flight hours flown by these airplanes, including the small private planes like the one on saturday. just by way of explanation, we went down to frederick, md., to take a ride in one of these airplanes. giving people an idea of what it is like to fly one. here was the takeoff. >> the speed is good. pullback. look at this. we are flying. >> wow. >>

ok. >> i had a good instructor. he was the president of the airline pilot owners association. >> is there not equipment on board the even have that will set off an alarm? >> there is collision avoidance technology and the transponders that you can have to alert other airplanes, but they are not required. i asked bruce about that in here is what we told me -- what he told me. >> if they are flying in highly congested airspace, where there is a greater chance of collision, it is required. when we fly out into the hinterlands of kansas or mexico, it does not make sense to have that kind of equipment. statistics support it. >> the point being that in areas

like frederick and outside of major metropolitan areas, there are virtually no aircraft in sight and there is much less chance of a collision. >> rick is live at the airport today, thank you. rick: coming up, the battle for health care reform plans eating up all over the country. we have a live picture coming from new hampshire, folks are getting ready for the president's town hall on the issue. >> what are you going to do to restore this country? rick: that was the scene just about one hour ago as we saw things a bit rowdy at town hall meeting held by arlen specter in pennsylvania.

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pelosi to shut down health care reform. john boehner called her charges outrageous. >> these town halls are getting as controversial as the issue of health care reform itself. which side of the health care reform debate is having a tougher time? joining us now is the national coordinator for the tea party patriots. we also have the michigan state director for health care for american now. john, i was watching a lot of our inspector's town hall meeting today. -- a lot of arlen specter's town hall meeting today. might he have wished he stuck with the republican party? >> perhaps, but it is only appropriate that, given the complexity of the bill, he would want to hold a town hall with his constituents. that is what all good politician should be doing.

rick: as you watch these meetings unfold around the country, and we will see one later on today, do you feel that people who are against the president's plan for health-care reform are getting ample opportunity to voice concerns? >> in some locations they are. in others they are not. it really depends on the individual congressman and senator. arlen specter, at least he is having town halls. even though he is having a difficult time, people are asking the questions and pushing for answers. he needs to get people the opportunity to speak and ask the questions. other members have actually refused to have town halls. rick: it seems like these groups are getting all the attention, getting all the headlines. why are those in favor of the

health care reform not getting as rowdy for their cause? >> first of all, our side of the issue has been working on this campaign for over one year. there have been countless town hall meetings and community forums to talk about the need for health-care reform. there is clear consensus in this country that health care needs the fixed. the system is broken. we have been doing is working with various communities to educate people about the proposals they are talking about so that people have a greater understanding and it makes it easier for people to understand what is being talked about. in michigan particularly, the business community is demanding health care reform. they are trying to compete on a global economic level with countries that do not provide health care because their own country does. we need to focus on health care

so that we can strengthen our nation. most of public rick: lawmakers say that health care reform is important. -- rick: most important lawmakers say that health care reform is an import movement. you think that that is true, or are they just a simple opposition? >> some reforms are needed. the health care system itself offers some of the best health care in the entire world. people do not have to wait on line for weeks and months just to get scheduled to see a dentist or for testing. people do not want that. they do not want their taxes to increase either. they know that with this bill, taxes will increase over time. we cannot afford that as a nation. rick: the issue of taxes, very important to a lot of people.

what do you say? >> with health care premiums going up every year, that is a form of tax on the middle class working people. the private sector cannot solve this problem. we have gone from 35 million uninsured americans the 47 million uninsured americans. reform of the system is needed. the only taxes being raised are the taxes on the wealthiest americans, people that make over $350,000 per year. none of the taxes will actually go up. the goal is to reduce the high cost of health care. middle-class families will be able to afford health care for their children. rick: thank you both for talking to us. jane: you mentioned the health care meeting from arlen specter, we watched that on fox news -- looks like we are looking at

pictures of the president. rick: on his way to new hampshire, i am sure, where he will be a part of that town hall meeting at guys go where molly is. jane: as we -- town hall meeting at the high school where molly is. jane: that meeting with arlen specter became hostile this morning. take a listen to this comment from a woman in the audience. >> this is not just about t.a.r.p. health care , left or right, this is about -- this is not about health care, t.a.r.p., left or right. jane: that woman joins us now. thank you for joining us. introduce us. you are 35, why did you come to the meeting? what did you come for? are you a part of a group? >> i cannot hear.

barely. jane: i will try my best to speak up and let me know if you are not able to hear us. i asked you to introduce yourself to us. why did you come to this meeting today? are you a part of an organized group? >> my name is kati, i live about five minutes from the town hall meeting. i am a stay at home mom with two young children. i have never been politically active. over the past couple of years i have opened my eyes a little bit more, starting to read about the constitution, the founders of the country. like i said, this country is slowly being ripped apart. it is so obvious to me. other people that i talked to, they do not see it. i do and it scares the life out of me.

jane: we got a glimpse from our television cameras, what was the atmosphere like in the room? >> i think that there was a lot of excitement. i know that i was very nervous. i have been waiting for this ever since i got the invitation in the mail. there was frustration, obviously. thankfulness that he even had the town hall meeting. i appreciate that he had it. our local congressman is not holding any meeting. i think that there were a lot of different levels of frustration. jane: rohm emmanuel says that at this point there is too much heat out there and not enough light, that things are getting so hot, we are not achieving anything. do you feel like you achieve anything? >> from the meeting? i do not know. i hope so. i know that years down the road i do not want my children coming to me and asking me why i did

not do anything, why do we have to wait in line for toilet paper. [laughter] i do not want to have to tell them that i did nothing. i know that it is just a normal citizen, but the best i felt i could do was come to this meeting. my husband and i far on vacation, our kids are at the grandparents' house. we came here for the 10th anniversary of our marriage. jane: [laughter] what a way to spend your anniversary. thank you. rick: pileggi was able to answer our questions. jane: thank-you to the crew on the ground for translating. rick: there are a couple hundred people lining the streets outside of a local school in new hampshire, many of them in favor of the health care reform plan, others are against it. they will get a chance to let the president know what he thought -- what they think when he arrives in town. we just saw him departing in

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this country. a new report from a congressional oversight panel is telling us how our $700 billion investment is fairing. >> elizabeth warren, the head of the congressional oversight panel, says that the troubled assets are still a substantial danger to the financial system. we spoke earlier this morning about what was going on with the program. remember, it was supposed to act like a vacuum cleaner, of sorts, with toxic assets sitting on the books of the bank's, they were supposed to be scooped up and taken off of the balance sheets so that they could be operating as healthy banks. that was not what happened. t.a.r.p. money became direct cash infusions. many of those toxic assets are still sitting on the bank's books. how many? she said she did not know, that she did not have enough detail

to know exactly what kind of situation we were in, but she put it in the range of $600 billion to 1.5 trillion dollars of these assets on the books of the banks. if that is the case, what does it mean? she said that banks will need to raise more capital. the stress test that was also related to t.a.r.p., they also look at the 19 largest banks in our country. professor warren says that we need to be concerned about these smaller banks and their ability to survive drought this financial crisis. one of the questions that we get here on fox business is about commercial real estate. what does it mean for commercial real estate? she is very concerned. not for this year, but next year and 2012, 2013, what could

mean for the health of the nation's banks? she says that we need more transparency and that the report is very critical of the treasury for not coming forward and providing more information on this panel that is really looking out for us. jane: thank you. rick: russia and vodka, they seem to go hand in hand. but russia is actually threatening -- being threatened by alcohol poisoning. millions die in russia every year, alcohol and cigarettes, how does that compare to this country? >> they are saying that the average russian drinks about 50 bottles of russia every year. not every russian is cranking

out much, so actually many russians are drinking more -- not every russian is a drinking that much, so actually many russians are drinking more. russians tend to live 13 years less than americans. half of the deaths in these 19 years came from cigarettes and alcohol. a population of 141 million, down 12 million in 15 years of largely due to tobacco and of all consumption. startling numbers. rick: what about the government's? -- what about the government? are they doing anything to help? >> not much. there is a new ad campaign telling russians to watch out for their health, showing people drinking, but the fact is what the government really has to do is what we have done, what countries in europe have done, raise taxes. make cigarettes very expensive,

alcohol becomes more expensive, deterring some people from drinking or smoking as much. they have refused to do that. many health officials say that what they have done is anesthetized the population because of the financial crisis. they do not want to deal with this right now. they have not responded to the recommendations that they should lower the rates of death in alcohol and tobacco. rick: in new york they have raised cigarette taxes, and it has been a deterrent for some people. very troubling news coming out of moscow. thank you. jane: we are awaiting the arrival of president obama in portsmouth, new hampshire. he is going to be conducting his own town hall meeting on health care reform. considering how contentious these meetings have been, many people are going to watch to see how these shakeout. from our producer on the ground,

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rick: coming up, americans making their voices heard against health care reform. the president is about to get an earful from some of them. also, the pakistani nuclear web -- nuclear sites, they were attacked a number of times. chances are you've never heard about it. how dangerous is this? also, why is ronald mcdonald wielding a knife and what do moms and dads have to say about that? jane: we probably do need to tell you that this cash for clunkers program has been a hit with new car dealers, but apparently there is a side effect, driving up the cost of used cars.

particularly for people that can only afford to buy a clunker. they cannot afford new cars. are we killing off klunkers without more out there? of >> even before that we were running out of cars on the marketplace. jane: i am going to put onto the screen an example of a 91 honda accord. is this one on your lot now? >> yes. jane: and the price will go up? >> prices are going up because the supply is dwindling. not just because of cash for clunkers, but we stopped selling as many cars at the end of 2008. with no trade-in's, there was no supply. now we are destroying a lot of supply.

jane: you know how this works. when you trade in your clunker, the parts are not reduced, because to prevent fraud the car has to be disabled. take a listen. >> we are going to drain the oil out of the vehicle and add a solution that will lock the engine so that it cannot be reused. that one has completely seized up. jane: barrett is. it will be going off to the art to be -- there it is. it will be going off to the yard to be crushed. it cannot radically affect every used car dealer, right? >> well, i would say that it is affecting car dealers, you are in the position now where new cars are not bringing in cars

from auction to be sold because they are being sold to the government for more money than the dealers could ever give. jane: tough economy, what can you do? >> you have got to adapt and overcome. this business will be here for a long time into the future. it is disheartening that the government is spending so much money to help big business and hurt the independent businessmen in our country. jane: adapt and overcome, it should be our motto. >> not mine, but i will take it. jane: [laughter] thank you. rick: she changed the way that many people view the disabled and she changed their world for the better. eunice kennedy shriver died today at the age of 88. we will look at her life and legacy when we come back.

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please call. jane: we are waiting for president obama to hold his own town hall on health care reform. it is scheduled to start in new hampshire there, hundreds of people have already turned out. not all of them will be able to get inside. they are lining the streets. new poll numbers from rasmussen. public support for the health care reform plan has fallen to a new low. take a look, 42%. that is down five points from just two weeks ago. rick: one of the most beloved members of the kennedy family is gone. eunice kennedy shriver passed

away early this morning near the compound, the 88-year-old sister to jfk and ted kennedy, of course. best known for the remarkable work that she did it in transforming america's view of the disabled, organizing the special olympics more than 40 years ago. she was awarded the presidential medal of freedom for her work. joining us now is the chief operating officer and special olympics president. i was amazed to read that this effort began in her backyard? >> it certainly did. first of all, you are kind to reach out. this is a woman who started with a simple idea. through her tireless efforts, it was built into a global movement that is unprecedented. >> talk to us about her legacy in terms of changing the way that we in this country and all

over the world view people with special needs. >> a very important question. we do not have to look far into the past to realize that even in our own country here, this population of folks with developmental inabilities it were marginalized and institutionalized, as well as ostracized. there was a lot of shame. this is a woman who has brought respect, dignity, joy through the simple pleasure of sports and competition, and everything that we celebrate around them, giving people confidence and courage and the freedom to pursue independent lives in many cases. a truly remarkable thing. rick: i read that without her work there would never have been an americans with disabilities act. i wonder if there is more work

that needs to be done on the behalf of those with special needs. >> another great question. she was famous for reminding all of us that even when we break through the 3 million athletes barrier, which we did in 2008, we were reminded that there were 200 million people with intellectual the civilities around the world. so, our challenge as much more to come. she was also famous for saying that the special olympics is owned by the future, not the past. we owe it to her legacy and great vision to keep the flame alive. rick: the family asking the people who would like to remember eunice kennedy shriver continue making a donation -- consider making a donation to the special olympics. is there a quick way to do that?

>> we are asking people to go to our website to learn about this wonderful an amazing woman and how you can get involved, through donations or through greater awareness. rick: president and coo of the special olympics, thank you for joining us today. >> we appreciate it. jane: breaking news from the hudson river, where a small helicopter and air plane collided over the weekend. the crews are out there trying to retrieve the wreckage. we are told that the divers are back in the river, searching for wreckage. they brought in the army corps of engineers. a small crane has been used in the past. they were able to get a small engine out of the water.

one of the divers located the wreckage of the airplane, it appears. president obama is getting ready for this health care town hall in new hampshire, set to start in about one hour. protesters are waiting for his arrival, looking to get their protesters -- looking to get their voices heard.

[captioning made possible by fox news channel] captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org-- jane: top of the hour, fired up and furious? town hall meetings on health care, in one hour the president will hold his own in fort smith, new hampshire. crowds are already gathering outside.

this morning arlen specter held an event in pennsylvania. things got heated with his constituents. take a listen. >> i have spent 40 years in government and i have never seen a program, in at the right price and stay there. >> we cannot afford this. keep the government out, we are doing just fine. jane: david lee miller was at that town hall. david, what was that like? >> the sound you just heard is a good indication of what took place in this room. arlen specter, hearing an earful, the majority of people speaking saying that they were proposed to be opposed to the of -- to the changes in health care. 30 people were preselected to ask questions. all but one of them said they were opposed to the changes in health care.

for the most part it was tense, but there were fewer situations that got out of control. one incident resulted in an individual actually leaving the hall. take a look. >> [inaudible] >> you want to be led out of here? you are welcome to go. wait a minute. wait a minute. wait a minute. wait a minute. wait a minute. >> what happened in this incident is that 30 people were pre selected to ask questions, this individual was not one of them, and for whatever reason he felt entitled to speak. he was allowed to speak and then left fall under his own power.

the senator is going to attend another town hall meeting in a few hours, this one also in pennsylvania. for the most part it looks like few minds were changed on either side. town hall change and controversy will continue. jane: any reaction to what was witnessed? >> one of the interesting things that he said was that in his three decade career in the senate, these meetings had been a month of the most difficult that he had ever had to attend -- had been amongst the most difficult that he had had to attend. i asked him if he would do anything differently from the last meeting, and he said no, that people had the right to dissent. he came here pretty much making it very clear to people that they had the right to dissent as long as they behaved civilly. he underscored that time and time again, one of the first

things that he said when the meeting began. i would say for the most part that the message got through, but time and again it was made very clear that they are opposed to health care reform and that they will do everything possible to make sure that if he votes with the obama administration, he will not return to office. jane: thank you. rick: new developments on a story that we told you about yesterday. coming under heavy fire, democrats are dropping their controversial plan to buy fancy and expense of private jets. this is a picture of it here. congress wanted to purchase eight of these to fly lawmakers around the world on diplomatic trips. each one costs $550 million. it seems that public outrage has grounded the plan. molly, is congress really not going to buy those expensive

jets to fly around the country? >> not all of them. public outrage did have something to do with it. eight jets were approved, the total of which was $550 million. also, there were 3 c-37. these were for government officials and congress to ride around in. the pentagon said that they did not originally asked for all of those, that they had originally asked for half of the number at half price. john murtha said in a statement that if the department of defense does not want these aircraft, they will be eliminated. rick: thank you for correcting my mathematics. there were others that did not like this idea of. what were they saying?

>> senator claire mccaskill talked about this yesterday. here is what she had to say. >> i am disgusted at the idea that they would add money for private jets on to the budget. >> you can hear the crowd of plotting her. she says that there is no way that they should be getting these executive jets in tough times. rick: this bill does provide extra jets, right? >> the pentagon has asked for an extra four, they're simply eliminating the four that were added by the house. rick: thank you. jane: the department of

transportation has released an internal report that takes aim at the faa. the issue was $30 million to fund low priority construction projects, including $15 million for a small airport in alaska that gets less than two flights per day. the agency has a history of mismanagement, but a spokesman defended it, saying that the coast guard uses the air strip. rick: a developing story in the middle east, we are learning more about a foiled al qaeda fought in kuwait. the police said they have arrested six kuwaiti nationals, suspects planning to attack a military base in the country. we have more from the pentagon. courtney, or the soldiers based in kuwait ever in serious danger? >> the plot has been foiled and the group has been proved to be

targeting the large u.s. military base in kuwait. that these want to be insurgents had purchased a truck and that they were planning and packing it with pesticides and chemicals to make a bomb so that they could drive it into the base. it is not clear if it would have succeeded. rick: icy reports that military strikes have resumed in pakistan. -- i see reports that military strikes have resumed in pakistan. what can you tell us about that? >> the taliban spokesman confirmed that they were near the to the masood, and that the leader of the taliban, who they say is still alive, was killed in an airstrike. rick: do we know anything more

about him? is he dead or alive? >> the military has been clear that they are 90% sure that he is dead. they will not say 100% until they can offer dna evidence. they have everything but that proved. they are trying to get a tissue sample or a body. this is a propaganda tool for the taliban, they are not offering any proof either. if he is dead, -- it would be a blow to the taliban. rick: thank you, courtney. jane: from pakistan to france, tensions are on the rise after a death of a teenager running from police on sunday night. the blame for torching nearly half of a dozen cars on a tour

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rick: president obama himself stepping into the health-care arena. he will be holding his own town hall meeting himself in new hampshire, at the ports mouth, new hampshire high school.

supporters and opponents are gathering outside. molly is live with them. >> it has been a colorful day. we have spoken to people on both sides of these political issues. health-care reform is at the top of the agenda. joining me now is a registered nurse and president of the local nurses association. why are you out here today? >> we represent 23,000 registered nurses in the state of massachusetts. we have long believed in medicare access for everyone and that the people believing in the decision making on the health- care industry should be out of the process for people who are in need of care and certain types of procedures and surgeries. they should not be making those decisions. there needs to be reform. we believe in access for everybody. >> what are you hoping to hear

today? >> i would like to hear that it will be coverage for all. too many people do not have insurance. i talk to too many people every day that do not have health care, they wind up in a lot of trouble. >> moving to the other side of the street, sally has been standing on the other side. why are you out here? >> because i have three young children. i am very concerned about their future and their ability to have a good life. our freedoms are being taken away by this administration. health care is just one part of that control. there are so many others. health care is not a right, it is a privilege. over 95% of people already have health care. everyone has access every day. i do not see what the huge idea

is. >> thank you very much. these people, very passionate on both sides of the issue. pretty peaceful exchange of ideas right now. we will have to wait and see what happens. rick: it will start in about 45 minutes. thank you, molly. jane: in happy meals = on happy mothers -- un-happy meals' equals unhappy mothers. peta said they are raising awareness of the treatment of chickens, something that they object to. how did the parents feel? we have a mother from albany. stephanie, you first saw these outside of your mcdonald's where they were handing them out? >> yes, we lived across the

street. they motion that for my son to come across the street. they had a little table where they had the mcdonald's boxes out. so, of course, any little kid is going to go out there and going to want to have a free mcdonald's meal. that is how they got us. jane: when you saw what it was, what was your reaction? >> by first reaction was that i did not understand why they had done that to my son. if they want to get their point across about how people are torturing other animals, before they said anything to my son they should have asked me first. jane: the life judge, what did you think when you saw it there? >> it was crazy.

jane: now your mom says he will not eat chicken because of what you saw? >> that is right. jane: how do you feel about that? >> i understand that they want to get their point across, but when it comes to children, they should not do it that way. they should have had another way. jane: hold that thought. i wanted it to kathy. cathy, eliza is 11. there are two year-old and three year-old that are getting these, is it appropriate? >> i do not think they they would even understand -- i do not think that they would evern understand. jane: lots of little kids get these. >> then they can learn what mcdonald's would prefer that you did not know, that the chickens

that end up in these happy meals and have very unhappy lives. they suffer broken bones, broken wings, and there are a humane ways to do this and we want to reach out to children and let them make decisions about what they choose to eat. jane: is obviously to achieve awareness, -- jane: your goal is obviously to achieve awareness, or do you think you are just entering parents at the end of the day? >> most children are compassionate as well. we are going to continue to reach out to kids. i do not -- i think that delights judge is a good example of how the message -- i think that elijah is a good example of

how the message can get across. his health will be better for it. jane: do you look at this as a victory, stephanie, that your son is not eating his chicken nuggets? >> no, they should have come to me as a parent and asked me if it was all right for my child to know what was going on with what mcdonald's was doing to their chickens. no child should be left scarred like this. they should not even be asked about how their meal is being taking care of. jane: we will have to leave it there, i want to get this in before the break. mcdonald's is pretty clear about their disagreement with the position. they require for their physicians to do the right thing. -- for their chicken providers to do right thing. rick: normally cool in reserve,

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jane: we want to take you live to the los angeles area. where else, there is a car chase under way. this pursuit has been going on for about one hour. let's listen to our fox los angeles chopper. >> now they are heading southbound on 72. seems like there is only one person inside of a car. looks like someone was being chased for a minor traffic violation that they committed. we are hearing that he was going up to 90 miles per hour, or faster. coming up the 405, through

traffic, that is the northbound side. connecting to the 118 eastbound, of fact on the 105. this -- and back on the 105. some people have pulled over the side, against traffic, and he is picking up speed. this is an on ramp. in and out of traffic. wow. back onto the 170. we will try to get this straight for you. might be back on roscoe. is at least traveling on the right side of the road, but at a very high rate of speed. heading eastbound, through the sun valley area.

we believe at least half of an hour to 40 minutes, picked up in wilmington. we do not know why officers decided to light this guy up. perhaps a minor traffic violation, perhaps they ran the plates and it came back stolen. you can see how erratic this guy has been driving. sometimes in situations like this, law enforcement of just fullback because of the danger to the pedestrians and the innocence. you can see this is the intersection that he will try to cross. he is making a southbound turned. jane: we are listening to the chopper pilot for fox in los angeles, the one in the air when these car chases get under way. cops have been chasing this guy for about one hour. there is thought to be just one man in that car. why? we do not know at this point. let's look. >> traffic again, heading south

found. there he goes, right through the intersection, moving against traffic. he just barely missed a bus. very close. a very dangerous situation. an older style honda. i believe that some of the officers have decided to pull back. this does not look good in terms of how it will end. he started well to the south in that area down for the wilmington, that is what we heard. that information is preliminary. he came up the 405, driving erratically. at times they will go after these suspects, and these suspects will head into areas that they are familiar with.

sometimes the officers will try to intervene and try to cut him off, or engage him. you are absolutely right, joe. i wish that i could get a street for you here, but we are doing circles. [no audio] >> there is a small chance that they might get away, delaying the inevitable. in addition to whatever he is being pursued for, he can be written up for all of these erratic driving problems.

they are right there. it is a situation where they know that this is it. this man is and injuring a lot of people's lives. we have seen some really tragic situations where people have lost their lives, innocent people. trying to get back on the freeway, this is the five southbound. he is maneuvering quite well. for that driver to lose control, bringing this to an end, obviously he does not care about

how he is driving. he is doing whatever he can to evade these officers. it is very possible that he could be armed. these officers are doing the best of the fan. they are trained. -- the best that they can. they are trained. sorry? say again? 30 or 40 minutes, it started in the south bay. that is what we heard initially. that stretch of the 405 is heavy. he had to weave in and out of the torrence area. he is making a left turn now.

i need to find a street here. 170. sheldon. roscoe again. c'mon, get him. get him. hit him. argh. no, he does not. roscoe, right? north, got him. going north. he is on woodman.

maybe? jane: you are listening to rick dickers in the fox los angeles chopper. this honda in the middle of your screen has been doing some crazy and dangerous driving. i hate to say this, also impressive. he has been evading police. the california highway patrol is telling us that this pursuit started more than one hour ago as a failure to yield in the south bay area in carson, california. we are told that it is one person in the car. we have seen him blow by school

buses. rick: this guy is a nut. he has put his own life and the lives of other people in danger. he came so close to that, driving into oncoming traffic. feels like they're holding back, because of the traffic on the road. there is a third coming up from the bottom of the screen. they have laid down spike strips, which have proved to be successful in the past, forcing these drivers to stop their vehicles. so often we see that once they stop, they get out of the car and make a run for it. jane: we heard them say that there were points where the guy

was going 90, possibly more than 90 miles per hour. we do not know the deal with why he is not stopping. >> a couple of officers slowing down, we do not know how long this guy has been going for. there is a lot of traffic up here. i think he is trying to figure out which way to go. this is on the north end of the san fernand of ballet. -- sanford and no -- san fernand thoo valley. jane: what are they telling us? >> i spoke to the los angeles police department, who referred me to the california highway patrol. this started on the no. 405 freeway. they say that this started with a possible traffic violation. this man may have run a yield

sign. they said it would take something a bit more than that. they said that there is a single male driver who has been going upwards of 90 miles per hour for 45 minutes. looks like they have stopped him. they have him bought into a driveway right now. unless he lives there, he might be out of luck. guns drawn, they have got him. jane: these all seem to end the same way. sometimes you see some crazy driving. just like that. now they are pulling him out, looks like. >> one thing that the officers said was they were not sure what he was running from. yikes, that car is still moving. you have got to be so careful. you do not know if this man is armed, if he is on something, or why he ran. we do not know the deal with the

guy in the car, that is what he was saying, but that he tried to flee a simple traffic violations stop. that they wanted it to come to a safe conclusion. as far as we know, this man caused no accidents. nothing short of a miracle. they got him. jane: thank you for letting us know what you know at this point, harris. we will try to get more information about why he was fleeing in the first place. just a failure to yield, then he took off. as she said, they got him. rick: good work, gentlemen. let's take a live look at pictures from fort smith, new hampshire. they are lining the streets, getting ready for the president's town hall meeting on health care reform coming up at 1:00 eastern time, less than

half an hour from now. they are expecting a vigorous debate, and from the looks of the crowd they will probably get it. mike, said the scene for us. how many people will be able to go inside and be a part of the meaning? have they been prescreened by the white house? >> people have basically been lined up for the better part of a couple of hours. most of these tickets were made available on a web site. they said they were not prescreened. tickets were handed out to local officials and community organizers. they expect a community -- they expect a spirited discussion. rick: does the white house expect an earful from people who are not happy? >> it sounds like they are expecting that he will get some tough questions, might get some feisty people in the crowd on

his health care reform proposals. they have downplayed the nature of any concern about the comments that he would get. they say that there is a tradition in this country of people yelling at politicians and that spirited discussion is fine, they are downplaying anything in terms of people saying stuff that would bother the president or the white house. rick: senator arlen specter was actually holding the microphone for the people at his town hall. i cannot imagine that the secret service would allow the president to get so up close and personal with the people that will be there, right? what they are fairly confident that the president will be able to calm down the situation, if it does get heated. that we can disagree about some of the issues, but that we should talk about our issues and work on some kind of agreement.

it seems that they feel that the president can handle the situation. obviously a number of these meetings in new hampshire during the campaign. but they are hoping that it will be a positive situation. rick: i understand that you saw something on your way from the airport? >> nearby we saw a sign on a hanger that said stop government health care, obviously greeted president obama as he came into the airport. we have seen hundreds of people on different sides of this issue. so, definitely a spirited crowd. feels like a campaign but more tense. rick: that you so much. jane: we are continuing to watch the pictures from southern california. indeed, the cops got their man.

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jane: we were just watching a car chase, where else? southern california. as always, they got him. trace: nothing like a good car chase. this went on for quite some time. it started the low los angeles, wound up in the sanford and a ballet. the thing that i always notice is that people always go back to where they are familiar because they think that they can outmaneuver the cops, but it

never works. interestingly, these people are often third strikers. in california, if you go to prison for a violent crime on a third strike, you are done for life. that is why so many of these people decide that if they are going away forever, they will make a race of it. we do know that that guy will be in jail for quite some time. by the way, coming up at the top of the hour, the big story today is president obama, holding his own health care town hall. juliet is here with martha maccallum. the shocking thing is that we have brand new numbers that will astonish you about this health care. juliet: they are too familiar with car chases out there. trace: it is like a sport out there. [laughter] they might be tragic, but fun to

watch. juliet: president obama will be leading this meeting, as you have seen all day, people have been boisterous all day long. perhaps at times at the physical. trace: either way, it will be great. we will find out. more, coming out of the top of the hour on "the live desk." rick: thank you. they could be the nation's most powerful clip -- powerful political couple. hillary clinton has made one thing clear, she is the secretary of state, not her husband. it came through loud and clear during a visit to africa. >> want to know what my husband thinks? my husband is not the secretary of state, i am. i will tell you my opinion, i will not be channeling my husband. rick: it was the translator that made a mistake.

a student was interviewing the secretary. she wanted to know what president obama thought about a chinese loan to the condo. but the question touched a nerve. does clinton feel that she is being overshadowed by her popular husband? joining us now, a former political adviser to bill clinton. good to see you, doug. this was a misunderstanding, a language barrier problem. did it betrays something that might actually be going on under the surface? >> think about the circumstances. she is on an exhausting 11 day 7 nation tour. this was a trip that was about women and sexual exploitation. to ask a man's opinion when the focus is women, it is a bit sensitive. also, president clinton had just come back from her successful --

from his successful visit to north korea. you could understand why sensitivities were-. rick: to great fanfare, winning the release of those young american journalists. is there a feeling that your old boss is overshadowing his wife? >> no, i think that there's a feeling that this was a great victory for president clinton. hillary clinton has spoken out. she did an hour on a national television -- national television interview. she had an unfortunate problem with breaking her elbow. i think that it is a question of being in the administration and having a tough foreign policy challenges in africa, china, north korea, iraq. rick: some of them say that president obama is not making it easy for the secretary of state to take a leading role. president clinton, going off to north korea on a private

mission. there are lots of presidential on boys who have been sent by president obama places like the middle east and other places around the country, roles that i and other administrations have been played by the secretary of state. is he making it hard for hillary? >> given the problems that we have faced, people that have been supportive of the president, i think that it demonstrates the breath and death of the clinton approach. as you well know, hillary clinton is an assertive and outspoken woman. she will play smart diplomacy. she has spoken out on iran. rick: does she finish out this first obama term? >> i think so. we are less than six or seven months into it. there has certainly been some pickup in the start, given her elbow. -- hiccups in teh start, -- the

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jane: we are waiting for president obama to begin his own town hall meeting on health care. starting at the top of the hour from fort smith, new hampshire. there are the live pictures. the growing concern over the controversial plan is heating up in town hall meetings across the country. the director of the new

hampshire advantage coalition has organized one of the protests against the plan, on the scene now. tell me what your problem is. >> we are out here to show our objection to this approach to reforming health care. the health-care system is working. what they are advocating is throwing the baby out with the bathwater. we have got hundreds of thousands of patients that come to our country to seek treatment. the want to interject the government into the doctor patient relationship, adding another $1 trillion in spending. it is senseless. i am a member of the new hampshire coalition who wants a meeting with a congressperson, and none of them have held a town hall meeting.

jane: do you want no reform, or some sort of reform? >> absolutely not. the system has to be reformed. exploding costs are unbearable. something that the system cannot take. but this blind faith fast-track approach, we have a 1000 page bill that congressional members are admitting they have not read. they want to get it done in six weeks. they can take a slower approach and talk about things like toward reform and affordability, allowing insurance companies to compete. it could be easier for more companies to come into the market. jane: what does it feel like out there? like a campaign event? >> absolutely. that is what it feels like. strong emotions on either side of the issue. i hope that the thing that comes out of this is a debate that

moves forward. jane: matt murphy is with the new hampshire advantage coalition. he is out there to get his voice heard today. thank you. rick: breaking news, agents from the drug enforcement agency hit a pharmacy in las vegas. they were looking for a stop in their investigation into the death of michael jackson. more -- they were looking for things in their investigation into the death of michael jackson. more on that in a minute. harris faulkner has more breaking stories. >> this one is just happening now in sight of a court room in orlando, florida. the happiest place on earth got a bit creaky recently. a 60-year-old man being found guilty of robbing at least one woman who was wearing a mini mel's costume in walt disney

world. looking at the picture you are right now, john lawyer. in june he was found of roving many women in the magic kingdom. this man is in a lot of trouble. 50 hours of community service, 180 days of probation. they are giving him time served on the days in jail. turning the happiest place on earth into a preview place for a bit while he was roaming around. -- into a creek be place for a bit while he was roaming around. -- into a creek be placed for a bit -- creepy place while he was rolling around. rick: thank you for that. dr. conrad murray, the last man to be with michael jackson before he died, his personal physician, some of these agents are making a case against dr. murray.

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