i'm eric shaun. keep right here for fair and balanced news always, the fox news channel. >> glenn: welcome to the glenn beck program. tonight we have a special on the czars and some of the statements that should horrify america and the connection to statements that other people and white house and what it new orleans your health care in the future particularly if you are elderly, handicapped or have very young child. if you believe this country is great the government health care is taking us in a direction we promised ourselves we never go down again. stand up, come, follow me.

>> glenn: hello, america. tonight i ask you to stay with the program. this is not a sound by the program but it will taken out of context and it will be used fearmongering. what i call this is question with boldness. questions that need answers. we must have answers. i am only following the directions of the president of the united states. he told us how to find out what he really believes in. that is exactly what we're going to do in in a couple of minutes we'll talk about the views of obama's soldiers and why it's important to look -- obama's czars but first i wanted to start some places and show you the beginning of and the history of eugenics which means basically creating a master race by discouraging reproduction with people with genetic defects

and other undesirable traits. people that are writing their blogs in the basement, we got him now. i'm not saying anything like that at all. eugenics are not coming. eugenics have been wildly discredited by the nazis and only truly evil people would go down that road but it did happen and it's important that we look at that time period. there is a lot we can learn from the past mistakes that led to that point. please watch this. >> eugenics is not a new idea and didn't start with nazis but with american and british socialists that that through measures they could cure the ills of modern society, pure public hygiene and rising population and urban crowding. indiana passed the first law for

confirmed laws. next 2929 states followed suit. they infected the mindset such as the leader of the new liberalism movement. he wrote a book called the promise of american life in which he declared that the state must, quote, interfere on behalf of the really fittedest. eugenics was popular thought for woodrow wilson, teddy roos veltd and their advisors. a year before he was president. wood wreo wilson created a board of examiners of epileptic and the state could determine when appropriation is inindividualable for criminals and the ill defined. roosevelt close advisor charles

hyde said that he does not think of himself primarily is the new patted yot. >> roosevelt endorsed madison grant the passing of at great race, a book that hitler referred to as his bible. what most textbooks before the nazis took power, germans lagged behind americans and europeans? eugenics. but the big flu pandemic turned doctors into social planners and they took the logic of public health to totalitarian extremes. they made the central policy goal, marriage, medicine and more. same year that hitler joined the nazi party. nazis rounded up elderly and mentally e.u. and exterminated them as bread gob lesser as life

unworthy of life. it was being effectively written into the constitution. in a case in 1927, lawyers stood on the ground of massachusetts vaccination law to keep terry buck from reproducing. we know now she wasn't retard had. to add insult to injury, oliver wendell holmes three generations of imbeciles are enough. seven years later, hitler wrote to the american eugenics society to ask for a copy for case for sterilization which called for sterilization of some 10 million americans. in that year, they sterilized 50,000 unfit germans. they complained that the germans are beating us at our own game. the idea evolved into the

holocaust and deaths of six million jews as will as millions of other innocent people. >> america, there is so much anger and may tread in this country right now. it is important that we have an honest conversation here and understand clearly what is being said on this program. no one is saying that eugenics is coming. the builder of the master race was only part of the problem in germany made possible after they devalued life. how much is a life worth and put a price how much each individual was worth. some were worth more than others. i want to show you a poster that i saw this morning getting ready for the show. i want you to know that i have a daughter that was born with cerebral palsy. when she was born they said she

would never walk or talk or feed herself. she went to college. they were wrong. this poster bothers me so much because the hand of the person shown in this poster reminds me of my -- reminds me of my daughter's hands. this is from nazi germany. it says in german, if you can get a tight shot, basically, it's going to cost 60,000 marks to keep this man alive. he is sitting there with a gnarled hand. they say his quality of life is a shame and the time is up. there is this poster, this is from germany in world war ii. this one shows an institution

here, all of houses that could be built with the money if we could just eliminate this institution. here is what the president of united states has told us today. >> the rumor that has been circulating a lot lately is this idea that somehow the house of representatives voted for death panels that will basically pull the plug on grandma la. [ laughter ] because we decided that it's too expensive to let her live anymore. the intention of the members of congress was to get people more information so that they could handle issues of end of life care when they are ready on their own terms. it wasn't forcing anybody to do anything. >> glenn: i don't believe that this is a matter that is

appropriate for laughter or for jokes. i want you to clearly understand that i don't think he wants to kill your grandmother or unplug your grandmother. it would be truly an evil person that would do that. however, what happened in germany was they couldn't afford heath care for all. you see they had did he valued their mark, our dollar. they had devalued so much because the government started to printed money. does that sound familiar? it's only been done a few times in the world's history. it's never and at any other different way than it did in the wimar republic. that forced germany into an economic collapse. i ask you to take a good hard look what is going on today. you must ask with boltedness -- could our economy wait we are currently spending and printing at will possibly go into some

sort of emergency situation? could it collapse? is it possible? is it possible that our debt is so high that we can't pay it back or we have to make tough decisions and possibly ration health care? the answer everyone will tell you is yes. so then, is it crazy, is it ridiculous, to say all right if we have a crisis in our monetary system, what will our government and our president do? to figure out what he is going to think or what he thinks currently we need to listen to his words what his policies so we're only following his directions, listen carefully and figure out how to decide what his policies are going to be and what they are. >> let me tell you who i associate with economic policy, warren buffett and paul volume

caner. joe biden or dick lugar the republican ranking member or general jim jones the leader of nato. those are the people democrats and republicans that have shaped my ideas and who will be surrounding me in the white house zbloonlt america, this program is under a great amount of pressure to not bring you this news. i would ask that you listen carefully. we're going to do exactly what obama himself has told us to do. we have to find out about his advisors. who is shaping his opinion heroics is surrounding him. we know it's not based in eugenics but what is it? you see your voice isn't going to be represented in this these war room in a crisis situation. right now, that is all anybody is talking about in his advisory

ring or on the floor on the studio. only if there is a crisis what will they do. whose voice will the president hear? there is dr. emanuel. he said in january of this year, when implemented the complete system produces a priority curve on which individuals aged between roughly between 15 and 40 years get the most chance whereas the youngest and oldest people get chances that are attenuated. the science czar john holden, the fetus given the opportunity to develop properly before birth and given essential early socializing experiences and sufficient nourishing food during the crucial early years will develop into a human being. he also, this czar wrote about

putting material in drinking water for population control. one of the leaders is a friend of the regulatory czar. he is a guy hoe will take that big bill and make the regulations to point us in the right direction. one of his good friends is peter singer. in july 2009, this lasts july, in the "new york times" peter singer wrote, why we must ration health care. he wants to do it now. he talked about the number of lives we could save, saving the life of one teenager is equivalent is saving the lives of how many 85-year-olds? his answer is 14. you also have rahm emanuel brother saying this, conversely, service is provided from people

from becoming participating citizens are not basic and should not be guaranteed. that lead me to sarah palin's statement on facebook. she said this. who will suffer the most when they ration care, the sick, the elderly and disabled. the america that i know does not love one which my baby with down's syndrome will have to stand in front of obama's death panel so bureaucrats can decide on judgment of their level of productivity in society whether they are worthy of health care. such a system is down right evil. is it truly crazy to have these conversations? this is the stuff they are saying out loud. what are they saying behind closed doors? we won't know because we'll be too focused on the emergency that would start the rationing. the czars don't have to answer

to anyone. before i introduce you to my panel, this is a poster from germany. see if it rings a bell or looks familiar just in a different kind of media. this is something that translates here at the bottom to the complainer. can you zoom in on this one? this is four men, notice how ugly they are, how some of them look rich or fat, whatever, maybe jewish, i don't know. they are all the complainers. they are all standing around in a circle and they are talking about -- talking about how horrible things are and how we shouldn't do this. the parade back here are the supporters. this is poster of what you see every day now in the news media making the complainers, the tea party goers look like that. the author of roots of modern

liberalism. carter need is professor of notre dame. john huff is former health and human services officials in bush administration. gentlemen, first of all, anybody believe that eugenics is coming, building a master race? >> absolutely not. >> glenn: we're all clear on that. does anybody think barack obama wants to snuff out anybody's grandma? >> absolutely not. >> glenn: what is the connection that i've just been saying? >> i think what you are pointing out in any system where the governmental oh indicates scarce resources to the population based on the judgments who is entitled to receive benefits and who is not to entitled to receive those benefits there are serious issues and questions about possible discrimination and injustice. who is going to bear the burden

of the regime and who is not going to get the treatment. those are serious questions about fairness. all of the proposals we have seen raise those kind of questions. peter singer is the most obvious one because his is indifferent to fairness and distribution. but others, emanuel, his proposal and his curve raises similar questions about how the most vulnerable will do. >> glenn: i'm not saying any of these people, in academics you should have these conversations. i'm not saying any of the conversations they have are inherently evil but it's in the implementation of things that those go awry. >> the president says he has no intention of rationing but they say we are already rationing. so what is the complete system. >> you quoted one sentence from the article that rahm emanuel

had written and he said that we will value young people more than old people. the very young we have no investment in where as the 15-25-year-old we have invested money and therefore they are more valuable. the people who would mainly benefit were people 15-40. this is not discrimination because after all the 65-year-old had the chances to be 25 which is incredible. now in the article, they say this is not apply it to allocations to organ transplant. it's premature to apply this to the health care system as a whole. i don't know what turns it into maturity. >> glenn: let me ask you -- was it the t-4 project in germany.

is anybody familiar with that. it was the baby mallard was a horribly crippled, blind deaf. didn't have two limbs out of four. they at the said was going to be horrible life. the parents said, please put him out of his missly. hitler came to the forefront i will do it. it started as compassion at and then it went a awry. have you seen plelsz in history where an emergency would kick up into rationing? >> i think the point you made, we are talking about health care rationing. president obama was giving a townhall meeting early this afternoon where he was insisting that nothing could be further from the truth. when you are extending benefits to so many, you are talking about reducing costs. it doesn't take an emergency. government officials have to be

in the position to decide how hoe allocate scarce resources. this means that someone has to be responsible for deciding to whom care is going to be given. we have a history of that in this countries of government coming in and deciding maybe certain lives aren't worth as much. >> glenn: when i come back, i want to start there. when you start valuing life differently, i want to talk about that tree and so much more when we come back. don't go anywhere. muc more, when we come back. don't go anywhere. a it's like you're getting violated.

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>> glenn: we have a special tonight on some information i don't think you're going to get anywhere else's. i'm going charlie rose on you tonight but i brought in some big brains to help discuss this. we can ask bold questions and then look for answers. these are important questions. we're about to change america. the author of the roots of modern liberalism the book will make your head hurt. carter sneed, university of

notre dame. john hoff, former official in the bush administration. i have to say this, i'm going to get hammered for not only doing this show but also because your both in the bush administration. you were both in the bush administration. either you guys want to address. this isn't just a hired gun for the gop? >> i have no talking points. we're free. >> glenn: i want to come back to where we were on valuing life. what do you see there. >> my sense there, to reiterate the chief concern about any of this sort sort of program who bears the burden, whose lives get devalued. if you look back at the chart of the curve that the doctor

emanuel put up and how newborns their lives are amount of investment that they have received. there is a striking statement in dr. emanuel's piece he says that infants comparing them to adolescents don't have a personality capable of valuing long term plans whose fulfillment of a complete life. that the moral judgment of a status of a child and results would have effects to the child's well-being and resources. that is something we need to notice and take very seriously. >> glenn: we're not arguing when does life begin. we're saying life doesn't begin. peter singer says, until the child can recognize there is a

tomorrow. you could have killed ronald reagan. could you have killed a child up to two-ish. >> they are sub personal human beings, they are no longer persons. the doctor cites another person but i have to say one thing about unborn children in addition to devaluing the lives of newborns and that one particular proposal, if you combine the incentives for cost containment what is likely to be federal funding for abortion you may wind up with a regime there is a huge pressure on parents to abort a child who has a disability. you can understand why people like sarah palin are upset about that. not just important those children but people that are living with disabilities that flows from a regime that those

decisions are made. >> glenn: my daughter has taught me more than any other person than i have ever been around. she had 13 strokes at birth. she teaches me something every day. without that imperfection you cannot find the truth without imperfection. >> there is a lot of misleading statements about abortion coverage and heath care plan and carter is exactly right. i saw a senator at a townhall today and in response to a question, she was claiming there is nothing in any of these bills about abortion. technically she is right. there isn't anything about abortion but the way the courts work, when the slaw silent, abortion is considered to be a medical benefit that has to be covered. that is why we need such the

amendment in the past where you have explicit prohibitions. there is nothing about abortion in these bills. >> they have fought tooth and nail. >> glenn: hang on a second. i want to come back and i'm going to keep you over for another break. i wanted to come back and talk about the entdz of life and the misdirection there. america, important decisions to make. you have to know who you are, who we are as a nation, who we are as people and when you become a person or when you lose your personhood. this is the world we're living in today. more with my guests in just a second. for fast relief of itchy summer skin get new cortizone 10 cooling relief gel. cools instantly with the strongest itch relief medicine. cortizone 10 cooling relief gel.

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if it's legitimate. >> president obama is in colorado and holding a third townhall meeting expected to begin 6:25 eastern. we'll bring it to you live. i'm gregg jarrett. glenn beck returns right now and check out our website at foxnews.com. >> glenn: hello, america, we're doing a special show. i usually you to take this and bring it to your friends, pass on the information that you see here. the author of woodrow wilson the roots of modern liberalism. former general counsel to president obama's by oh ethics. we're talking about else's care. today i saw the president give his speech, he said, you know some of these guys on that other network that are always trying to dig at me, i'm going snuff out your grandma.

i 'believe he may have been talking about me which i don't believe he is going to try to kill your grandmother. cons consequently think he is talking about you, guilt by association. we were talking about abortion and the beginning of life and how it will be covered in health care even though they say there is nothing in this bill that says -- you say that is by design. >> it is by design and there is not in the bill, there is nothing in the bill about anything. that is the point, i want to get to that. the bill has a provision for a benefits advisory commission which is to determine what benefits the plan has to provide. that's it. it doesn't say anything. other than certain mince like hospital care. this commission or committee which will be 27 people positive appointed by the president and

government accountability office will make the decision. so they will decide what is covered and presumably under what circumstances. ones you start down this road of defining what a benefit is, you can define anything. >> glenn: the president said today he was trying to debunk -- we just want people have to a conversation with their doctor so they can make the decision at end of life. >> that is section 1233, it is ten pages in which they have provided they are going to pay for the doctor to talk to the patient about end of life. it sounds perfectly right but why have they added it. they could have added it in one sentence. what is really worrisome about this, the government is telling the doctor what the conversation with the patient should be. i have real problems with this.

in fact, the doctor basically give legal advice. it reminds me that the doctor may say to the patient -- i'm not a lawyer, but i play one for medicare. that is what is going to be involved. the idea of voluntary. the doctor gets paid for doing it. the if you believe doctors do things because they get paid, he will do it. secondly, he gets judged on adequate points as to whether or not he has this conversation. so obviously he is going to do it. white coats appear for the poor woman who was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer. she is pounding on them to treat

her in the future. >> glenn: i want to play a clip. this is explaining why we're doing this. i want you to listen. this is during the campaign when people were asking, how do we know. he was always very vague, what do you mean by change. if you want to know what my policies are, look to the people around me. >> let me tell you who i associate. warren buffett and fed chairman, paul volcker. >> foreign policy, joe biden and with dick lugar the ranking member on the senate foreign relations committee or jim jones the supreme allied commander of nato. those are the people that have shaped my ideas and who will be surrounding me in the white house. >> glenn: so who is surrounding him. had a here is health care. what are the roots of health care. who is surrounding him.

i'm going introduce you to these people. why is van jones, why is the green movement so interested in your health care? when we come back. is h interested in your healthcare? when we come back.

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>> glenn: tonight we're talking about heath care and we are going into the universal heath care tree and obama. he told us, if you want to know what his policies are you have to look at the people he surrounds himself with. who is helping him make decisions. i want to say something. we said about the idea that it all starts out really well then it goes awry. germany went awry because of a couple things, first, money. then crazy people. as we go and show you the roots,

tell me if you think -- they aren't crazy but mainstream thinkers. with us is carter sneed and also john hoff. tell me where do we start on the roots of the tree here guys? who spooky part of this root system? >> first of all you have to say kel emanuel are most thoughtful people in public life. we can't tar them with any pejorative expressions. >> glenn: i haven't said -- i said early on the show. these people have the right so we understand each other. >> absolutely. prominent experts in the country

zeke is one of the great policymakers of the country but both of them have proposed for regulatory reform raise discrimination injustices so even brilliant people can produce systems that raise serious questions. if you look between emanuel and you have holdren who is the science advisor who has said things in print which you covered before. some extreme measures for population reduction. forced abortions. material drinking water. >> glenn: and they talking about taking children away from unfit parents. not mainstream, i'm sorry. i have respect for the thinking

of them but if he is advising obama, look who he is connected with, peter singer, i'm sorry, he is out of his mind. >> peter singer is interesting that he the purist example of an allocation regime that is utterly indifferent. he want to maximize the number of quality adjusted life years. that is consistent with what he argued in the "new york times" magazine. so as you said, these are variation along the same thing. how do you divide up the pie. >> glenn: is there any doubt from anybody that we are putting ourselves in a situation where our dead will be crippling. that everything in this country does we'll have to make tough decisions. >> that is true with everything

the government does. limited resources and where the subsidies are going to go, who is going to get highway money. who is going to get a bridge. what we're doing taking health care even with the best intentions and we're taking heath care and bringing it up under the same thing. >> so we have one of the pieces is money. they're going to have a problem with money and i don't think any of these people are crazy but the root system, one is communist they believe in forced abortions. legal rights for animals and babies not human. >> okay. that doesn't sound -- but i'll explain this connection, the green movement, next. quality and reliability...

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>> glenn: tonight a special on

health care and i ask you to watch the whole show. okay, here is the tree, obama says look at to how i make decisions, the roots that are feeding him and growing universal health care. there is so much more to cover but i want to talk to you about the green movement root. here is van jones, this is a convicted felon, he spent six months in prison after the rodney king beating. he was a black nationalist. he came out an anarchist and communist and founded the green movement and he is our green jobs czar. why is there soap money, funds for public interest. these are people paying for people going into health care on craigslist. acorn, soro funneling money

here. how does this fit health care. why would the green people doing this? may i make a connection and see if anybody agrees to it. holdren is the key to understanding the green movement. holdren says we have too many people we should have force had sterilization and forced abortions. the population is too big. how many people in the green movement think that people are a virus? i think that is the connection. anybody? nobody wants.... >> i think the important thing to realize the connection between the green movement and health care might have to do something the green movement doesn't have so much to do about the green movement. >> glenn: president obama says he is against reparations and

the universal health care is to the way to help the underprivileged. green movement is really van jones, about social justice and spreading the wealth, communism. maybe the green movement is the front you are talking about. maybe that is the way to spread the wealth and moving all that money into social justice through health care? no? >> i was thinking about the irony of what both were saying in terms of the principle argument against the health care initiative to provide coverage to a broader number of people. but any system where the government is picking winners and losers there is going to be a risk of a gray indecision and injustice. that is the ironic feature of this discussion. rattle natural to cover everyone

but it's going to discriminate certain groups of people. >> they'll say we have a horrible system now because it discriminates. i've got 30 seconds. >> i would like to speak to that briefly. no one here is defending the counter system as a perfect paradigm system. there is a moral difference between the government picking winners and losers and winners and losers emerging from choices. but the solution i think, i'm not policy expert is to try to raise those people up so they can make choices rather than scrap the entire system of choices in favor of government position. >> glenn: we'll be back with a final thought next.

a. >> glenn: you know what they got out of this program? that i cried. god help us all. how we cannot have a serious conversation in this country and talk about things that are truly important. last night i left you with the idea and i want to leave it with you again, don't fell anybody not to question things. listen to the answers, even if you don't like them but if they are