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answer. question with boldness, hold to the truth and then you just speak without fear. from new york, good night america. >> julie: i'm julie banderas. >> gregg: and i'm gregg jarrett. in topping the news, the debate over health care is not slowing down. a georgia congressman holding another townhall meeting last time you may recall, well let's just say it didn't go so well. >> julie: and wild winds fanning flames in california. check out many people are packing up as the wildfire gets out of control. a live report from the fire zone. >> gregg: an explosion in kabul, afghanistan outside the main gate of nato headquarters. days away from a presidential election. we'll find out who was behind the bombing and if it will keep
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the voters away from the polls. >> julie: president obama is taking his push for health care reform to colorado today. we want to take you live to air force one if we can get that video. this is a live picture of air force one about to depart montana for grand junction, colorado. in colorado that is where he is going to be holding a townhall meeting, a city providing medical care at a third of the cost of other cities. hundreds of people are expected at the event and to make their voices heard in demonstrations planned outside. what does the president plan to focus on in today's townhall? >> strategy has been tapping into anger against the insurance companies. yesterday he was on patients who get dropped from coverage. today it's going to be people
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who has insurance that gets hit by a cap on benefits and large out of pocket fees. introducing him is nathan wilkes. he has been paying $25,000 in out of pocket fees. he is battling over a benefits cap, as well. the white house says the president will continue to hold these townhall regularly this month. >> julie: what can we expect from the crowd, especially from the demonstrators. some of these have gotten pretty heated? >> the audience might be okay with shouting down their congressman but they have taken a different tone with the president. there was a couple of questions and got a clip about one of the toughest exchanges. listen. >> and that is all we get is bull. you can't tell us how are you are going to pay for this. you are saving here and take a
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little money here and taking money there, but you have no money. >> you are absolutely right. i can't cover another 46 million people quickly. you're right. >> and there were demonstrations in montana from both sides for or against the health care reform proposals. we expect demonstrations from both sides in colorado today. >> what is the latest from republicans on these rowdy townhalls? >> even some of the republicans have faced the crowds under chuck grassley that negotiated on the bipartisan senate bill. the largest of the forums is miss trust of government solutions and the republicans are hammering that message. here is orrin hatch. >> unfortunately the path we are taking in washington right now is spend trillion dollars of tax money to further extend the role of the federal government.
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>> he says we should have respectful debate but not to stifle the discussion. >> julie: now we want to know what you think. if you could attend the townhall meeting or our viewers, what would you ask president obama. it is very interesting that these people are asking the questions that they are thinking directing directly to the president. twitter us or tweet us twitter.com/julie banderas. >> gregg: i would like to know whether i would lose my health care coverage. all of these expert groups out there who said we studied it, you will lose many of you will lose your health care coverage. >> julie: that is probably a common question we'll be getting. >> gregg: a townhall rematch pitting democratic congressman against a critic of health care reform, local doctor brian hill.
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a fiery exchange. it made some national headlines. how did the encountering this time around? marian silver is lives from jones borrow, just outside of atlanta. >> this was a balanced debate at this high school today. crowd was half people that are for the president's health care plan and half was against it. one thing that was common, one person asked questions that are important to them. congressman david scott tried to answer those questions and he echoed what the obama administration is saying about this plan and that is they want to make sure that people who have preexisting conditions or developmental conditions don't lose their coverage. also, he talked about lowering out-of-pocket expenses and, of course, just providing a public option so the over 40 million who are uninsured will have access to health care. >> how did congressman scott
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handle critics of health care reform today. was he confrontational. did he sort of acquiesce, what did he do? >> you may recall earlier in the week there was an exchange between the congressman and a dr. brian hill. he the was here today and exchange was cordial and civil. they respected each other. the doctor was given time to voice his concern and ask his question. the congressman tried to answer his questions. so it was much different than what we've seen before. what the doctor said he is concerned for his patients. he wants to know how it's going to change. >> i don't have democratic or conservative but let's take this health care plan.... >> and gregg, the -- went on to say he's got to provide why he is treating a person the way she
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treating them. why does the government have to provide every day and tell people exactly how this is going to help his patients. >> gregg: the president is losing ground on health care reform. all the polls seem to show that. you spent talking to folks today. what is the sentiment there in georgia. >> reporter: when i said emotional, a lot of people are describing things that happened to them. loved ones couldn't get the care they needed or lost their insurance and lost everything. it's very emotional. the people that are against the proposed plan because they are worried about adding to the deficit. they are unsure about whether or not they are going to be able to keep their coverage. those for it say, we need change. there are problems. i want to make sure if i do lose my job or if something should happen to me that i got coverage. you have people on two opposite sides. one thing they have in common, how this is going to be paid for. >> gregg: that is a big question
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mary ann, thanks. >> julie: we're getting inundated with e-mails from hundreds of people who say they have received unsolicited e-mails from the white house. they pushed heath care reform and they want to know exactly how they got hold of the private e-mail addresses. major garrett got into the white house press secretary robert gibbs over the issue. caroline is following the rest of the story. >> reporter: fox news has filed a freedom of information act to explain how citizens got on the e-mail list. we have received hundreds of e-mails an e-mail from a senior advisor landed in their indocks. some of those people are wondering how the white house got their names and addresses. first said he received the axelrod letter via the aol
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internet service. >> they want a con cue it to put the message out had of people that have not contacted them in any way. they are using the aol the same way a spammer would be. >> it's not the government's right to have my e-mail address unless i'm dealing with them on a specific issue. my tax return with the irs. >> those e-mails american civil liberties officials say they don't like the idea of any white house selecting information. >> if the white house is creating a list for whatever purpose of people who disagree with the president, that presents real problems. if people know that there is a chance they will be on such a list, then i think people may feel inhibited in expressing their political views. >> the white house adamantly of keeping any e-mail list for nefarious purposes.
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>> gregg: fox news alert. state of emergency in northern california, look he had wildfire racing across the santa cruz mountains, it's one of 11 fires burning throughout the state. the flames are forcing some 2400 people to flee their homes. pluses the hot and dry tinder conditions making it a tough fight. casey siegle, give us an update on the situation. >> you talk about how this is widespread. that is exactly what we're seeing. my producer just got off the phone with cal fire moments ago that tell us really two new fires have cropped up recently. the biggest one is still here in santa cruz county where i'm standing right now, but they have been making quite a bit of progress on this particular fire today. it seems as if firefighters started to focus their efforts in other parts of the state, but so far flames have chewed
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through eight square miles of this region since it started on wednesday. although an official cause of this fire still is not known at this point. as i was saying, mother nature has been cooperating this morning. temperatures are cool, winds are low and the humidity extremely high which has really kept the flames from spreading. in fact in about the last 12 hours or so containment number jumped from 5% to 30% which is very fast progress. some 2,000 people in this region under mandatory evacuation orders as nearly 7,000 firefighters around the golden state to try to get this completely under control. california is experiencing one of the worst droughts on record so there a lot of dry brush all over the place that serves as fuel for these fires. earlier today, california governor arnold schwarzenegger went on the front lines, toured the damage up close and personal.
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he says the state is devoting a lot of resources to try and get an upper hand. good news, only two relatively low number of structures, have been lost so far. >> gregg: casey siegle, in the santa cruz mountains. thanks very much. >> julie: we are keeping our eyes closely fixated on a new tropical depression that is forming in the atlantic behind tropical storm anna. where are they headed. domenica davis is live where are they headed? >> the same direction, west-northwesterly track over the next several days to the latter part of next week. we'll tart start with tropical storm ana. it's going to have some slow strengthening through the rest of the weekend and then this system looks like it will sort of peter out, really not make it to hurricane status as it will move it's a way past the
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bahamas. here is the one talking about tropical storm ana, it's expected to gain strength by later today and that would be tropical storm bill. so this would be the next one. this one definitely looks more to become a hurricane. it's going to follow this same path that tropical storm ana is expected to follow. here is the official forecast, you can see it keeps this a tropical storm ana as it works its way past the bahamas, expected to make landfall there and then it could be by the end of next week, middle to the end of next week, it could be expected to be a tropical storm right around the southern part of florida. we could be looking at some tropical storm conditions coming in as early as wednesday or thursday. now here is tropical depression number three. the official forecast track, it takes much of the same path, but conditions will be a little more favorable for it to become a
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hurricane by wednesday as it makes its way towards the bahamas. beyond that, big question marking but a lot is going on right now in the tropics so this is definitely one to watch and probably a good idea if you were in florida or anywhere along the coast right now to start thinking what are you going to do for these storms that are going to be headed your way possibly, well into the hurricane season. good time to start planning. >> julie: domenica davis, thank you very much. >> gregg: a new report on the deadly midair crash over new york's hudson river last weekend. suggesting that an air traffic controller failed to keep track of a small plane that was under his watch. n.t.s.b. disclosing the control tower did not warn the other pilot of air traffic in the area and investigators say the controller was talking on the telephone to his girlfriend about a cat at the time of the crash. both the controller suspended
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pending the investigations. nine people died in that crash a week ago today. >> julie: cops with a around the clock search for a missing five-year-old. he has cerebral palsy and he vanished on monday. his foster father was the last person to see him. they stopped at the store where the mother works. when he came back he was gone. ross believes the child was kidnapped and she cooperating with cops. he even took a lie detector test. if you have see him you are urged to contact police. >> gregg: michael phelps will get a ticket for driving without a valid driver's license. the accident on thursday was not his fault. the other driver ran a red light and hit his car.
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police say he showed no signs of impairment. >> a homicide bomber killing seven people and wounding 90 others in kabul, afghanistan. it is the taliban's deadliest attack since february. it comes days ahead of the presidential election there. colonel powell is live, conner, how did the bomber get so close to the nato building? >> that is one of the big mysteries. for weeks the afghan government and all the security they have in place in the run-up to the election but afghan police say the bomber was able to get through three police check points with 600 pounds of material. he detonated a bomb 30 meters from the front gate. seven people were killed, 91 were injured. among the dead and injured were several children and women that
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were working in the area. now, the taliban has vowed to step up attacks leading into next week's elections. they have been wreaking havoc but these are some of the first attacks in kabul. it's very disrupting. >> julie: how did the taliban get 600 pounds of explosives into afghanistan in the first place. >> reporter: that is the other question that is being asked here. the taliban has never had that big or that type of supply worth of bomb making material. typically they use much smaller arms fire when they attack. this was the largest supply of bomb making material. questions is how did they get it into afghanistan. there is concerns somebody on the inside of the government helped them or pakistani militants or even al-qaeda helped them get into the country. those are the questions that are being asked.
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>> julie: conner powell, thank you so much. >> gregg: president obama and democrats taking a beating in the health care debate. even new poll numbers show the steep climb they have ahead of them. does all of this mean a big do-over for health care reform. our next guest thinks so. (announcer) this is nine generations of the world's most revered luxury sedan. this is a history of over 50,000 crash-tested cars... this is the world record for longevity and endurance. and one of the most technologically advanced automobiles on the planet. this is the 9th generation e-class. this is mercedes-benz.
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iran for several americans that have gone missing. retired f.b.i. agent has been missing since march of 2007. >> also michael vick is back on the practice field since getting out of prison. he served 18 months for running a dogfighting ring. n.f.l. reinstated him last month and vick signed a one-year $1.6 million deal with the philadelphia eagles. >> gregg: all right. so he ho is getting the upper hand in the health care debate. new polls show the rough road remaining for dems. a poll finding 35%, only 35% of americans support a health care plan. 49% nearly a majority oppose. these poll numbers are sobering sign. do the democrats need to start all over again? look at this poll coming out.
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54% say no health care reform is better. joining us is chris starwall, chris, good to see you. a whopping 15%. that margin, americans oppose the plans under consideration. a majority that would rather see nothing at all. do you think that to remain politically viable the democrats and president need to retool their ideas to better conform with what americans really want? >> well i think the most important thing they can do is say what they do want. what they fail to do at this point is be clear about anything that he actually wants to see. the he was elected by a majority. he started out with strong support from americans. he has watched that slide month over month as he has failed to put forward his own plan on health care. as a result, all of the worst things that people can think about a health care plan are being thought about what the president wants to do.
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as a result he is spending all his time tries to dispel rumors. >> gregg: we know this much about the plan. it's going to be darn expensive. in fact charles krauthammer in most column wrote that the president actually lost the health care debate during a 48-hour period in mid-june when a ceo came out with this report, this is going to cost the american taxpayers anywhere from one trillion to 1.6 trillion. let's put it up on the screen. he makes this point. the central contradiction of obama care was exposed. the dire need for restructuring the health care system because out of control costs were bankrupting and wrecking the economy but the democrats' plan would make the problem worse. is he right? is that why americans just don't buy it?
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it's i will logic and counter intuitive and it's kind of a dumb argument. >> we remember what the vice president said, sometimes you have to spend money to avoid going bankrupt. those kinds of statements have what amounted to a huge skepticism on the part of the american pe public. when you have the majority of american voters say what is being proposed in conscious is worse than nothing, you have failed. it's time probably for the white house to accept it and reboot one more time and try and put forward something. this cost argument just isn't going to get any traction because people know that health care is expensive. >> gregg: instead of reasoning and laying out a plan or even a better plan we're hearing these things that are being hurled at the protestors by democrats. indeed, the president's surrogates, some referring to
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the protestors as unamerican and evil mongers. is that kind of mocking rhetoric bebelittling them is that counter productive? is it destructive rather than constructive? >> it shows tremendous weakness. people that are not certain of themselves or their own ability. when you have the president and super majority in congress, a lot of boos at the are terse in the mainstream presses, it's very hard to argue that you are the victim here. so instead of acting confident and can have a plan and roll it out. democrats in congress ever instead acted like they are totally out of control. as result, people are very skeptical of their ability to deliver anything. >> gregg: you are offending people because the majority of people according to the most recent fox news poll actually believe that these are sincere
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american citizens who are protesting and not so-called mob. there was another poll, a gallop poll that came out. it shows -- i found it very interesting. independents used to be 2 to 1 in favor and now think are 2 to 1 against. if you loses that that critical group, you are pretty serious trouble, aren't you? >> you've hit it exactly on the head. the whole problem here is the post partisan president has turned out to be partisan. independents are in the process of fleeing the democratic party. health care could drive them away through the 2010 cycle. some say if the democrats wish to remain viable in next year's election they me must do something now to stop the bleeding who feel there was a about a bait and switch deal. >> gregg: chris, good to see
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>> julie: president obama keeping up the fight to win over skeptics and there are many of health care reform. right now he is his way to grand junction where he will hold a townhall. urging americans to lower the volume in what has been a fiery national debate. you'll see the townhall right here on fox. >> gregg: hundreds of ultra orthodox jews clark with police in jerusalem protesting the mayor's decision to open a municipal car park on the sabbath. >> and they are urging mandatory vacations. there is a dozen wildfires all across california. santa cruz has blackened eight sqeil miles since wednesday. >> gregg: in just a few hours, president obama will try to sell his health care plan to people
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in grand junction, colorado. this area is already getting a load of national attention for its cost-effective high quality health care services. can it be done country wide? alisha has more. >> hi. look at my tomatoes. >> 75-year-old alice davis likes showing off her tiny garden, but not nearly as much as she enjoys bragging about her hmo. >> i appreciate because they give me diet advice and bathing advice. >> she isn't the only one on the rocky mountain health plan. her hmo has been recognized as being top in the nation. >> it's a matter of helping coordinate the care for patients. >> dr. john hopkins, ceo of rocky mountain health care plan, says they have more primary care physicians, family docs that
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make 90% of the diagnoses and team members can keep patients on track. >> look at the size of those. >> and one of most effective areas is nurses make health calls. >> rocky mountain health care's millions. things that are ignored could land them back in the hospital. >> if you get sicker at home until you are death's door before you are rushed by the e.r. ambulance, there is $20,000 that didn't need to be spent. >> grand junction has one of the lowest rehospitalization rates in the country. they spend about a third of the cost. >> check to make sure you are okay. >> we have a notion that more care creates quality.
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what examples like grand junction and others show it's not more care but it's the right care. >> rocky mountain health care plan is nonprofit which they insist works better for all involved. >> most important is collaboration. >> the folks here believe this system can work elsewhere too with time and patience. a tough sell during a time of debate. >> julie: bad news in the banking industry. fed should down colonial bank group, biggest u.s. bank to fail this year. it was a big lender in real estate development. it struggled under the housing market. it had about $25 billion in assets. north carolina bank will buy about $22 billion of the a assets. consumer confidence taking a bigger drop this month. a sign that folks are holding on
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to their dollars. despite experts say that we've seen the worst in the recession. patricia powell and founder and ceo of powell financial group. why the drop in consumer confidence first of all? >> that is a great question. there is lots of reasons. the recession seems to be going on and on, but the news keeps less bad. the housing numbers have gotten less bad. the jobs numbers have gotten less bad and gdp number was negative 1%. so on the first blush economists are surprised about it. they ask a lot of things. one of the things they ask people, do you think you are personal finances are going to get better? this suffered the worst number in the 60 years of doing the survey, more people than not said their personal finances are going to be worse and not better. so customers are losing confidence but think your question is great.
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we've been in this recession, why now, why has customer confidence slumping? they haven't been asking anything about the health care. in a all honesty, confidence and uncertainty are the opposite ends of the spectrum when it comes to economics. >> julie: the drop in consumer confidence, the question really is, what does that mean for economic recovery, in other words, how quick are we going to be seeing signs of economic recovery which customer confidence being in the dumps? >> it could really slow us down. if you have money and you don't want to spend it, it slows down the possibility that consumer recovery. our economy generally has a 70% consumer driven and only 30% driven by the government and business. so when that 70% starts shrink go. it's very important to get the customers back on track.
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>> julie: i was reading comments by one strategist that i found fascinating. customers are facing three hurdles, they are paying down the debt of their homes, their houses are not worth as much. then they are staring down the barrel of 10% unemployment. so those are three reasons, they are afraid to spend because they are in debt. their home is worth less. what are s it going to take for americans to get over this? >> you have to stabilize these numbers. they have been getting less and less bad. you have to have unemployment stop growing. last three months has been good numbers but we're not quite in the positive. the third quarter gdp number is going positive, is possible. the last time we had recession on housing, the housing is improving a little bit. i think you have to keep -- what
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is it going to happen you need time to plug through this. >> julie: patricia powell, thank you so much. >> gregg: you want to avoid the pain and the issue of a bad sunburn, it's not that hard. there is a ton of products that contain sun korean. you can find sun block with an spf of 70. but even if we put that stuff all over our bodies, are we getting enough protection. david has looked and actually outside. you have your sunscreen on? >> not too much of it is less and i do not have any sun korean on right now. what you were saying, the last time that you bought sunscreen, you didn't understand the level of protection that you were actually purchasing. this is true for the majority of the customers. two years ago the fda came up
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with the idea that the labeling should change. now two years later we're at the end of another summer and still the fda guidelines have not been implemented. they say it's a slow process and involve investigation. they say there is foot dragging taking place. there are number of things you should know. we look at the sunscreen and see the number on the label offering protection, 70, 80, 90, forget it. experts say that the number above 50 is basically the level of protection you can expect from the sun. any higher number is probably irrelevant. another is spf, this number protects you only from uvab and these are the ray that has can cause a burn. it doesn't protect you from uva that cause you to tan. so the experts warn can result
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in serious health problems. so 'now there are proposals on the table that would limit the spf rated to go 50 and put in a star rating, one to four stars that would indicate the level of uva protection. this has been on the table, gregg, for about two years. the experts say if we're lucky, the changes will be implemented around january which means just in time for winter. >> gregg: david, go get under the brem there. you don't have any sunscreen on. there is some hotdog brems and get a hotdog for me while you're at it. thanks. >> julie: new pictures of that horrific crash over the hudson river in new york city last weekend. small plane colliding with a helicopter, nine people were killed. now, with we're finding out new details on what the air traffic controller was doing just moments before this crash. if you're taking 8 extra-strength tylenol...
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>> greg: bob, let me start with you. if it can be proven that the air traffic controller had a duty at this to warn the pilot of the fixed wing plane that there was enormous congestion and that he was likely on a collision course and he failed to do so. what about civil or criminal charges? >> civil charges for sure. you articulated. closing argument. if in fact, i'm a little con flicked because as you probably have reported or some have, that under certain amount of height, there is a height restriction and they don't communicate. let's assume they had a duty. then that a classic negligence action as relates to a duty to properly perform your responsibility. if they, in fact, are able to prove that on a civil case, there is no question. >> gregg: criminal is tougher because, david, look it's true
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in some states that reckless conduct resulting in death can also result in criminal charge including manslaughter? >> it may be a stretch. it's very fact based here. you can have a manslaughter or criminally negligent homicide charge. we talk about foreseeability and the deviation from the normal standard of care. to make it a criminal case he it would have to be a gross deviation. so it's very fact specific. investigation has to go forward. >> gregg: you would have to prove that the failure to execute the duty by the air traffic controller was the cause or proximate cause of the death. >> causation, whether the civil or criminal, it has to be there. you have the other parties involved, the pilot of the small plane, the actions of the helicopter. then you have to prove, well if
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in fact, the old but for, if they had that duty this tha could have been avoided. if they can't make that nexus, that proximate cause, from a criminal and civil makes it more difficult. >> gregg: i want to is switch over to another subject. i've never heard of this before. david you weigh in on this first. in georgia, there is school principal and a athletic director who are facing criminal charges and a trial potentially six months behind bars for praying. how can that be? >> it's really not for praying. it's for a criminal contempt. this is based on a civil case, a first amendment case that was brought by the aclu in which the judge issued an order that the school request not promote prayer in that school. the judge is saying here that
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there is a criminal contempt of that order. so we need to take a look at that order to see if there is actual contempt. >> gregg: bob, my goodness, this strikes me as being fairly outrageous? >> i'm glad david is more informed on this. i assume because i didn't see the order, but look. if there is a court order in effect and if in fact these people reached a settlement. i'm assuming the settlement was a meeting of the minds. you and i know it can't get to that level of criminal contempt. that is pretty severe. what i've read on this, assuming this to be true there has been some ongoing violations that in this agreement. if you are violation of a court order and the court feels that it rises to a level of criminal contempt they are going to get hit. >> gregg: isn't this getting a
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little bit silly and naturally the aclu is involved, isn't it getting silly because there wasn't any students at the time of the prayer. >> i think jail time is a severe remedy. can i see the federal judge giving a warning and a fine, i think that is more likely outcome. >> gregg: we've just taken this way too far in america but we'll wait and see how it turns out. good to see you both. >> julie: so here is the question, how do you get the most bang for your health care buck? the best way to navigate the health care system. prilosec otc. dominates heartburn. 24/7... including the eight hours you spend with your eyes closed.
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reform to colorado today. in a few hours he will face questions in grand junction. we're going to bring it to you as soon as it happens live right here on fox. and despite today's attack that killed seven people and wounded dozens more in kabul. hamid karzai is predicting that voters will go to the polls for elections. and we're keeping a close eye on storm activity brewing in the atlantic. a new tropical depression formed right behind tropical storm ana. people in puerto rico are being urged to keep an eye on ana's path. >> gregg: with so much talk to reform our health care system there are more questions than answers. who knows what we could end up with. >> julie: that is the question. that is who better to ask then the men and women who work right in the trenches.
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talking about nurses and hospitals. customer reports says when it comes to choosing a hospital for the best quality medical care. we have trish from consumer reports. so think like a nurse is what we're told. how do nurses think? what is number one? >> the number one thing they recommend is to do your homework. not all hospitals are the same. nurses even admit that. there is great resources on line you can find data on your local hospitals. there is also information to find out if it's in your plan which is huge. >> julie: i have spoken with many in the medical profession that have worked at certain hospitals that don't have the greatest staff. they don't have the nurses that tend to the patients. nurses are critical in hospitals. doctor sees the patient for a minute or two and that patient has to be supervised by a nurse. >> the nurses see the inside
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story. one of the things they recommend if you have lots of doctors and caregivers coming in and out but there is not one person keeping the big picture on you you may need to ask a social worker to rein in all of them. >> gregg: keep a bedside log of events? >> who has come to see you and what they have written down. keeping a rolling track of your own history. you are in the hospital. >> gregg: stay vigilant for problems is one of your recommendations, how do you do that? >> that was one of most eye-opening for us. hospitals are dirt i at this places. just because it looks clean and nice, if you see a doctor or nurse not washing their hands, that is something we need to watch out for. >> gregg: aren't you going to anger the nurse, how dare you
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check that i'm giving you the proper dosage? >> it's all how you phrase it. really need to keep track of what is going on. i want to make sure i understand why i'm given what. make sure you are keeping an eye on what is happening. >> julie: so errors in medication do happen. who cares about offending the nurse. i would rather know that i'm taking the proper medication and you should plan your admission and discharge very carefully. so think ahead. >> definitely. when you brought to admission or transferred, you can be open up to system errors. make sure you know when it's going to happen and when it comes to discharge, you need to know what you are going home with and what symptoms to look out for. >> gregg: i didn't know there was patient advocates at most hospitals. that is something, i think that is maybe a dirty secret they don't tell you.
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>> they are there to help. >> gregg: always talk to your primary care physician throughout the whole process. he should be involved. >> that should be the person that keeps the coordinated care that you are getting. >> julie: best thing is to have a family member in the room. every time my mother, they sleep there and they think i'm nuts. >> gregg: you take your mom everywhere. she is ten feet over here off of camera. >> julie: my friends used to say to my mother, it's time to cut the umbilical cord but that is true. having family, if you have loved ones who can be there because a lot of times you may be medicated or as aware of what your surroundings may be. you want somebody to look out for you. there is a lot of stuff. >> gregg: it's fascinating. >> consumer reports dolt org and we have information on how to
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choose. >> gregg: good to see you. i hope i don't end up in the hospital. >> julie: do you have anyone that is going to sit in the hospital for you. >> julie: all right. i'll do it. when you go in for the plastic surgery, i'll be there for you. only kidding. i could say so much. >> gregg: president obama on his way to townhall health care, we'll carry the event live and see what kind of audience the president can expect today. countdown is on, grand junction, colorado, you can see it live right here on fox. hi ve gh blood pressure... and you have high cholesterol. you've taken steps to try and lower both your numbers. but how close are you to your goals? there may be more you can do. only caduet combines two proven medicines... in a single pill to significantly lower... high blood pressure and high cholesterol. in a clinical study of patients...
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