you right here next week. . >> kelly: on fox news watch. >> health care reform takes center stage. here is a guarantee i've made. >> as the president tries to sell. >> if you have insurance you like, then you will be able to keep that insurance. >> democrats try to back it. >> we don't want people to be afraid of the fact. >> americans don't want it. >> they're trying to force health care down our throats. >> and hillary loses her cool and the media has more heat. is a comedian the guy to trust. and this guy wants to win the ratings so badly, he could kill. >> on the panel this week, andeda, columnist, jim pinkerton, fellow new american foundation and judy miller,

writer and fox news contributor. i'm eric shawn, fox news watch is on right now. >> (inaudible) i don't get it. i honestly don't get it. do you all think you're persuading people when you shout out? you don't trust me? okay. you know, i don't know what else i can do. >> i'm a conservative and what we expect is for you to fight for us. we did not want to-- fight for us, stand up. democrat or republican, we will vote you out.

>> wait a minute, wait a minute! wait a minute, wait a minute, you want to leave? leave. >> i am going to speak my mind before i leave for good. your people told me i could. >> well, that's just a few of the scenes from town hall meetings across the country this week, including the last one where senator arlen specter fired up over at health care reform in pennsylvania. a passionate statement like the ones you just heard, they led to this white house reaction. >> this is part of the american tradition. i think what is unproductive though is that somebody tries to come to a town hall meeting and you can't ask your question or your mother can't ask her question because somebody else is yelling. that's what cable tv and the food fight bring to this. i think we all have something to lose if we let cable television come to town hall meetings and kill health care reform for another year and put the special

interests back in charge. >> so, i guess it's our fault. cable t vchv, what do you think this the fault of cable television news? >> no, absolutely know the. i think that the obama administration has made a lot of mistakes when it comes to health care. and confused not only the media, but the american people and first, a moral imperative. we need to get everybody covered and if you pull up the number of unis uninsured, it doesn't add up. the economic imperative. we have to do this to save money and cdo says this isn't going to save money. now, they're saying there's a political imperative. the big bad boogiemen of the insurance companies. they've been consistently inconsistent with the message. >> the media coverage, the fact this is cable tv, we're out there and showing these meetings li live. >> and right, exactly, well, this is what-- it's not just cable tv, it's all tv. they intend to cover things where there are conflict and one could argue why aren't the

democrats yelling at republicans saying i want the health care reform, i want to have it covered making their own scene. the reality is, i don't think this is' any problem with this, and if they're raising their voice toss let it be known that they're unhappy. people will do that when they're against the war and i don't hear any democrats complaining about it. >> a good point. the president became president partly because of the anger over the iraq war. and here on the other side of it. >> exactly, when nancy pelosi is on youtube saying in 2006. we love these protests, keep doing it. senator grassley of iowa says that three times as many people are showing up at the town hall meetings these days as were over the last decade, including for such hot things as the iraq war. >> can i just address one thing that keeps being brought up. at the same time conservatives criticize liberals when they protest the war and i've been on tv a million tiles told by

conservatives how unpatriotic ises. it kind of goes both ways. >> is it fair, is it the yelling and heat to obscure some of the facts that the american public needs the facts? >> probably, it's also true according to the polls, people sympathize more with protesters and with the anti-protesters and according to a fox new news pol 39-34 margin they're against the obama health care plan. way below where the clinton carry was in 1993. >> are they getting the message? >> i think that people are in their own ways determining what the health care bill is. >> if i find one of the top reporters in this country, went to jail for this country's source. what are they doing that investigative reporters should be doing. >> i think that the media are at the meeting whereas my colleague just said where the story is.

what you haven't been reading a lot about, the state of health care in america and we must reform the system. it's amazing that all the labels turned anded by those. it says that president obama backed away from nancy pelosi's assertion that people who oppose or criticize the plan, whatever it is, which version this week are unamerican. he says is it unproductive to have people shouting. so we need to know why americans spending twice the nation's capital and other nation between 20 and 30 and 40 in the leading indicators. >> but the blaming of fox news, that's how i took it, the bla blaking of cable tefrgs, they came out originally and blamed the constituents. they called it manufactured outrage and discounted it. clearly insulting people doesn't

work, imagine that and now blaming the read yeah. it's a tactic that doesn't work in political campaigns and it's not going to work ever. >> and you know, that's your losing game. >> in fact, that's why clare mck mccaskill stopped doing it. health care is a serious issue, but what the american people are struggling with is the health care policy and health insurance reform as articulated by the obama administration is not what-- people are worried about what medicine with illness and cures. >> and privacy and that's-- >> again, where obama missed the boat. >> the media side of it. we're getting into a health care debate. >> we want answers. >> i mean, there was also-- pew poll showing americans are unhappy with how the media are covering health care. they don't understand what's going on and that's why the vacuum is created and that's where the media is to blame for

picking up, following whatever is hang, not saying let's essentially look at this and broke it down and they could go-- >> there are no details after-- at least the clintons gave us details. this time they've given us no details so really the media doesn't have that much to go on. >> a perfect example is the death panel thing. if there is no death count, and ask what is crafted was crafted by a republican. it's ridiculous, if it is total-- >> hold on, true or false, true or false, within the public's health bureaucracy of liberalism last 40 or 50 years, a significant ueuthanasia has emerged, with the organ, example-- >> pick one story. >> can i pick a story. >> after the break, there is a point this week, the first time this week on the newspapers finally they did give some section of the newspapers explaining what potential plans

could be. we will have that in just a moment and back with another issue, the white house keeping a secret list? we'll be back in a few minutes to talk about that. >> the president. >> somehow it's got spun into this idea of death panel. >> a top democrat. >> i think it's a sign that people who would do that are afraid of the facts. >> are most in the news media speaking the same language? and lost in translation, hillary makes head lynns-- makes head lynns-- headlines, was the coverage s beyond everyday clean to a deep micro-clean. olay deep cleansers reach the micro-particles of dirt some basic cleansers can leave behind for a clean so deep its micro-clean. olay deep cleansers.

>> rage at town hall meetings across the country. supporters and opponents aggressively seek answers from our leaders. >> need any further proof that they can't take the competition, that the campaign that they have out there against it, if you want to know who is financing the anti-public option, you need to look no further, they can't take the competition, their glory taste days are over. >> can i see a show of hands of people who believe we have the right to share our views with officials? take that to nancy pelosi. >> if you have a question, raise

your hand. if i hear only from people who agree with me i'm going to actively ask the folks who are concerned about health care, give them a chance to ask their questions because i think we've got to make sure that we get out some of the debates and concerns that people have, some are legitimate. >> there's so much anger out there sometimes the facts seem to get lost. jim, you mentioned the fact of one situation, it took until this week to find out there were no death panels. >> well, right, but there has a context that sarah palin tapped into. state of oregon pioneered suicide death and the state insurance plan told a woman who had terminal cancer. we won't pay for your drug, but we will pay for your suicide bills. >> do you think that the media-- >> it's one story, nothing to do with obama. i can give you ten stories of people who are suffering under the current-- i mean, ten off the top of my head and probably thousands of people who are suffering under the current health care system. there's a woman who had--

denied coverage for pre-existing conditions. i think what the town hall meetings have to do exactly what t media wants. people shouting and disruptive, don't want to talk about policy and i think what jim brought up is a fair thing to talk about, should have a debate it. >> if barack obama had his way, this bill would be law. the ones that don't want the debate and don't want us covering this is the left. barack obama doesn't want the media to cover the stuff, he wants his way and wants it to be law. >> one reporter that wants answers is our major garrett. this past week, he and robert gibbs got into it because there have been e-mails from the white house reached people who haven't asked for them. and take a look what happened. >> i'd be interested in seeing who you got the e-mail from and whether or not they're on the list. i don't-- >> give you the people so you

can check them on a list? >> i'm asking. >> you're asking me if they're on a list? >> and a list-- checking without asking me to double-check the names. >> they're telling me that's-- >> because they never asked for an e-mail. >> what i'm saying, i don't, i don't-- i'd have to look and see. >> so you don't have an explanation, someone who never signed up and never asked to get an e-mail-- >> you can answer because you might be accused of promoting the answer. >> what they're saying, that's coming back now. >> well, look, anytime you talk about health care, you talk about privacy issues and the obama administration start this had when they came out and said report anything fishy. then they started to say that they're going to put cookies on people's computers the type of software use today trace which websites they visit. they're the ones creating their own problems and the move to transparent government is still in the media you saw bill

burrton on with megan kelly stut erring and stammering and just answer the questions. >> i think they made a mistake in the formally-- have people send in e-mails that contains misinformation about health care. >> that was been twisted. >> whether the government has mixed up government property with private political action on behalf of the health care plan. i worked for six and a half years and i can tell you there's a lot of laws a felony, to mix-up stuff that comes in a stuff use for politics. >> are you saying that-- >> i'm saying that, the answer-- >> i've got to hear the accusation. >> the accusation is that they took stuff from the government and gave it to the political operatives of obama. >> how did the government-- >> that the white house can't lobby. >> it still doesn't make any sense. >> that sounds like. >> tell me what-- >> you know the white house

didn't do it, well, they have to have a-- >> why was it not using the names-- >> that's the question. (inaudible). >> not-- it's against the law for the white house to lobby. the white house cannot lobby any. >> here is the media point. who is investigating that to see if that's true and exactly what's going on. >> i think major garrett asked the question, but that's-- i think that that is a side show to the real issue hereof trying to get underneath and behind the issue of who is doing what, who is encouraging people to come out, how much of this rage, i believe is lot of it is genuine, is real. how much is manufactured? that's the white house's effort to reach out to its base to move the lines and you can't say it's okay for the republicans to mobilize their base and not okay for the democrats to try even though they may have misstepped. >> let me interrupt you and my

question, why is major the only one in that gaggle of white house reporters going after this question? >> see, that's, that's the-- >> and maybe because they're all puppy dogs for the white house. >> that's it, major garrett and the two i would say are willing to speak-- >> and fox news' coverage, the only ones providing a fair and balanced look at what's going on here in the media today. well, i don't know. it's kind of funny, i flip around during the day to the different channels and the people that were covering the town halls the most originally were actually msnbc because i think they thought it was going to make the republicans look bad and i mean, there was this kind of mocking thing going on you know, all day. i mean, and inge th i think it kind of back fired even charles krauthammer thought they were going to work against the conservatives. i think a lot of people thought that and we see the polls now people were saying in usa today poll, actually made them

sympathetic, i don't think that many people expected. >> and such a polarized media now, everybody knows where to turn to to have his own or her own perceptions. >> i think that the americans and viewers, no matter where you return to, you want answers. >> and major garrett got them. >> and another break. if you come across a story of media bias, e-mail awes@news watch dt foxnews.com and we just had one. and we will be back in a moment with this. >> our secretary of state makes headlines with this. >> my husband is not the secretary of state, i am. >> becoming there for the media. all nexexexexexexexex v@%%%ñ

>> wait, you want me to tell you what my husband thinks. my husband is not the secretary of state. i am. you ask my opinion i will tell you my opinion. i'm not going to be channelling my husband. >> wow, talk about a tense moment that happened on monday. secretary of state hillary clinton, well, she reminded everybody who is boss during her trip to the congo. just saw a students through a translator asked her what she thought her husband, president bill clinton thought about the international issue, we're told that the student meant to ask what president obama thought of the issue. take a look at the headlines. the new york post, i'm the boss from the new york daily news, "hey, i'm the boss not bill." . jim, i mean, we've heard about bill clinton a few years and look at this? >> i think that maureen dowd put it well, this was language and body language straight out of--

>> kristin is shaking her head. >> i don't know why people are so mean to hillary. you know, i don't understand that. i voted for obama, but i still don't know why people have to be-- this is hardly a rage. this is somebody who is annoyed, understandably so, no way for her to know that that's what the person asking then. if i was asked that question i hope i would keep my composure, but you know, she wasn't like throwing furniture. >> because she's logged in 100,000 miles in 200 days, the lady is tired, so however, the next time i urge her to take a hair and makeup person from fox along with her during the campaign. >> and we have all had those days, i thought it was interesting the way that the media covered this. especially the difference in the man, the men and the women covering it. there were women in the media saying she react this had way because she had a bad hair day.

we've all had them, but not a diplomatic person, like sending me overseas to be a diplomate. >> secretary of state, another issue and i don't if you heard about this. time magazine conducted a poll and asked who was the most trusted newscasters in america and wguess who. >> john stuart, 44%, brian williams, of charlie gibson, katie couric, man, only p%, and they've been regular guests on the show and surprisingly love going on jon stewart's show. jim, he's been a part of the show. why do the conservatives love to go on jon stewart. >> because it's funny and people watch and stewart has something that makes him special. people know the news, know what happened in iraq, they want commentary and insight and stewart has the ratings show, up there with the best. >> i was a guest on the show,

there were others, he was respectful and i didn't know what to expect. he was funny because he's not mean. is that the point? >> he's nice, that's what people like. and people are talking about him as a news person and confusing him with walter cronkite. >> jon stuart used to say, i'm not a news person, i'm a show. and i think we have to worry about that. >> he had incredible interviews with jim cramer on mad money and nailed cramer like mike wallace would have nailed cramer. >> like the financial press should have. >> and then stewart did it. what does it say. >> the flattest of the earth around him than his particular spin. >> i think he's very smart. he knows this is not just a blue nation across the country, coast to coast, that there are conservatives and frankly it's more interesting to interview a

conservative when you lean to the left. you can't have a bunch of yesmen, look at keith olbermann and rachel. they can't have anyone having an opposing-- >> the juxtaposition of editing, videotape and . >> he was there and he was funny. we have to take a break, when we come back, tv ratings are important from the business, but one tv host may have gone too far to be number one. details next on news watch. [ female announcer ] olay goes beyond everyday clean to a deep micro-clean. olay deep cleansers reach the micro-particles of dirt some basic cleansers can leave behind for a clean so deep its micro-clean. olay deep cleansers.

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