>> alisyn: and one person who writes all the time, i prefer taking orders from a woman but his name is doggone... >> and he's taking orders from you. >> clayton: and mike, thanks for being here. good day philadelphia. "fox & friends.".. >> a "fox news alert," new claims from critics, this morning, that the president is moving a goal post on health reform and it started as a push to provide health coverage for all americans and changed by the president's... you recall he said the primary reason for health reform is to control the spiraling cost of health care in america. and, now, the message is, we have to change the insurance industry. >> president barack obama: this is something that sometimes we have forgotten, in the health care debate. these are ordinary americans, no different from anybody else.

they are working hard and meeting responsibilities and are held hostage by health insurance companies that deny them coverage and drop their coverage and charge fees they cannot afford for care they desperately need. it is hurting too many families in business. -- and businesses and it is wrong and we'll fix it when we pass health insurance reform this year. [cheers and applause]. >> jamie: good morning, i'm jamie colby. >> i'm rick folbaum, glad to be with you jamie, welcome to today's edition of america's news headquarters and let's go to mike emmanuel live in phoenix with more and mike, past couple of days, two more health care town halls with the president and any more on the agenda at this point? >> reporter: no, rick, really that was the end of a push, by the president for health care reform, and health insurance reform, as you like to call it now and he is basically going into vacation mode and two town halls in two days symbolizes the

fact like he feels it is time to make a full pours push but you will not hear much in terms of event, public events on health care reform and he wrote a "new york times" op-ed today and there will be other things like that and obviously he'll have his surrogates talking about health reform and the president's final push for now within the last two dagens, when he did the two town hall events. >> rick: tell us the -- i read the press release yesterday and the town would be holding a town hall on health insurance reform, the new name of the game now. and talking about health insurance reform, and not health care reform, tell us about this strategy there. >> reporter: well, the white house basically is saying a huge portion of health care reform is basically fixing the insurance industry, and the way insurance is hand here in the u.s., and the president now has basically made the insurance company the enemy in a lot of this and several people in the town halls the past couple of days have

called him out on it saying is that really fair and how are the insurance companies going to survive if you provide a public option so he has been called on it several times but he basically said there are millions of americans struggling with the system that is better set up for the insurance companies, than it is for average americans. some of the polling suggests that some people, while they'd like to see health insurance reform or health care reform, don't necessarily want to see the whole system blown up and that is what he is pushing against at this point, rick. >> rick: we watched the president in colorado and he did the same thing in montana the other day and has the opening statement and takes off his jacket and rolls up his sleeve, and this is a president who looks more like a candidate, like he did before super tuesday last year, does it feel like you are covering a campaign? >> reporter: yeah, absolutely, rick, it certainly does, i mean, three town halls in five days, and from new hampshire to montana, to colorado, and now we're in arizona, and so, feels

like campaign mode and the president telling people yesterday in grand junction go out and knock on doors and spread the message of health care reform and he's doing what he has done best, silt ell it i person and rolls up his sleeves and whatever you are asking, your opponent, bring their questions and definitely feels like we are back in campaign mode. >> rick: mike, thanks so much. >> jamie: the president's colorado town hall, was mostly filled with supporters who didn't challenge the president or his reform efforts. at least until the end when 23-year-old zach long, a college student, got a chance to ask the president this pointed question: >> how in the world can a private corporation operation, providing insurance compete with an entity that does not have to worry about making a profit and does not have to pay local property taxes, do not -- not subject to local regulations. [applause]. >> how can a company compete

with that. >> jamie: and president obama went ton s to say his administration is not proposing a government takeover of health care. instead, the president says they are working on a series of proposals to address issues like competition and has -- and zach has issues with the president's answer and wield talk with him live in the next hour. >> rick: looking forward to that, a doctor and his congressman drew attention in a challenge over health reform and now there is a rematch and it is getting attention and this time, david scott, congressman and dr. brian hill, side by side as they debated health care reform, yesterday, at a high school in jonesboro. and just over two weeks ago, the congressman became youtube fodder when he lost his temper with the doctor and shouted downhill when the urologist questioned the current bills under consideration and dr. hill got his own microphone this time. >> congressman scott, first, you

talk about the public option, right and we talk about how it is will bring down health care costs and give people access and we have models that we have looked at already, where it is not doing that. okay? and, if we have those models out there, why -- what will we do in the u.s. and the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result and everybody can agree on that. okay? and all -- i wanted numbers, is wanted health care cost numbers. what does the health care cost and i'm getting the stuff from the cms, the medical government web site and from the state department, and of massachusetts web site and please look them up, okay? i will not run through the numbers, i want to look at the numbers. >> the congressman walking away there and wield that he have congressman's response and significantly more of this match-up coming up in our next hour. >> jamie: the last several days we have seen a number of town hall meetings, and like the student, talk about the health care bills, providing money for

abortions. when a voter challenged senator specter about it last tuesday evened there was no language that provided for abortions but the constituent took it a step further. listen here. >> the bill says nothing about abortion or reproductive rights. i have read that very carefully. there are nine amendments in the senate and the house which have attempted to prevent taxpayer funding in that bill. rejected. senator coburn, senator hatch, senators and representatives, and they have all been rejected. >> jamie: why rejected and the foss research team confirming they were rejected, all nine were reject, are democrats being honest with us about our intention on abortion funding and our next guest says no, a former pennsylvania senator, fox news contributor, and good to see you, senator, thanks for joining us. >> thanks, jamie. good to be with you.

>> jamie: and you have had a chance to look at the proposals that have been bandied about and you told the president at these town halls, what is the real answer about whether or not federal funds that are given to the states for health care, could be used for abortion? >> well, the government plan, this is what everyone is talking about here, there is a government plan and there is in house bill and one of the senate health committee bills, essential health services will be provided, and that will include abortion and if you look at those -- going back to medicaid, where medicaid was first passed the federal court interpreted that medicaid would have to cover abortions, and it took language of congress to say that that was not to be covered and there is no language in the bill that said -- that says abortion will not be covered and it is scleer and anybody who want to be honest with you will say that the panoply of available health care services, there is no language preventing abortion, abortion will be covered and as you said, there were several amendment that were offered to say specifically that

it should not be covered and all of those were defeated in both the house and the senate. >> jamie: the democrats insist that even though they won't pass these amendments include these provisions, banning abortions, abortions will not be provided. and the question is, the republicans on the conservative side and you have been a leading voice for conservatives, they are saying, and have made proposals, that would accurately state, yes or no and the answer would be no, the money will not go there. why do the democrats agree to that if they say the intention is not to fund abortion. >> because their intention is to fund abortion and the president -- this is really part of the problem, and the reason the president is not doing well out there on the stump, the president is saying things that when you look at the house bills and senate bills are not in the bills and while he may say you can keep your doctor or insurance company, he says those thing but the bills don't do those things and that is the

problem, there is a cent d connect -- disconnect and saving money, the focus on saving money and this bill costs over a trillion dollars and will have a quarter of a trillion dollars added to the national debt and will not save money and the public sees the reality of what is in these buys and then hears the rhetoric, the campaign rhetoric of the president and they don't match and abortion is just another one of those and he can say abortion is not covered but the fact of the matter is, there is nothing in there that says abortion is not covered in essential service and as a result, do you think his health secretary will not say that that will not be covered, do you think the courts which i've said before have already ruled that it is barring language that says it is not covered, it must be covered, or change, not a chance. >> jamie: and the issue is very important to conservatives and you have been quoted as saying that with this house -- health care reform, you can't sit on the sidelines, you have to get out there and talk about it and one of the trips we'll be taking

is to iowa among 0 other places and that raises speculation about a potential run another white house and what can you tell us. >> well, i can tell you that you know, when i accepted the invitation to go and speak in iowa i knew that that would cause people pay attention to what i have to say and it is a very, very critical time in our country's history, this time with cap-and-trade and health reform and the card check issue and unionization issue are three major issues that could really dramatically shift the future course of america. and i want to get involved and to make sure my voice is heard on that and i think that is something to offer, the years of experience i've had in the senate and the house and a good place to serve, as -- and go to iowa and people pay attention. >> jamie: will we see you running for the white house. >> no, look, that is a long way away, and i am really concerned,

i mean most sincerely, i am really concerned right now, that the issues that we are debating here are going to -- immensely consequential for the future of the country and i am excited to see so many people out in these town meetings and i would say, caution -- caution a couple of them and tone down the rhetoric and don't get in people's face but be respectful, with the house and senate matters. >> jamie: thank you very much, congressman. good to see you. >> you bet. >> rick: "fox news alert," video from afghanistan's helmand province and u.s. marines on the offensive now, pushing deeper into taliban territory, and meeting enemy fire for the fourth straight day. and troops blowing up two towers used by insurgents, and rocket fires and growing marijuana plants and confiscating trigger plates used for roadside bombs and this is all part of an effort to cut taliban supply lines, and get the upper hand in the heart of the enemy's territory.

>> jamie: a number of wildfires are raging across california, growing today. 7,000 firefighters battling nearly a dozen fires and look at the video, this is the fire that is burning in santa barbara county and 24 horse people have been forced to leave their homes and the california governor arnold schwarzenegger is declaring a state of emergency and stands to -- in order to get the resources they need and the fire covered 8 square miles and 25 firefighters suffering minor injuries, at least 11 fires are burning in the state right now and the dry, hot weather is not helping much. >> rick: in washington tracking a growing controversy, the white house sending spam e-mail, championing the plan for health care reform, the all out effort to push or nationalized health care including some cases contacting private e-mail addresses and fox news is trying to unravel how it could happen on thursday, you may remember, fox news's white house correspondent major garrett

asked about unsolicited e-mails during the press briefing. >> the reason i ask, i have received e-mails from people who did not in any way, shape or form seek communication from the white house, never registered on a web page and never registered -- >> hold on, hold on. >> no, no, no, i want -- >> let's be clear, before you -- i will give you a chance to finish your question. you have done it a couple times major and i wanted to be clear, okay? no, no, no. whether obama for america were organizing for america has nothing to do with, never ha had anything to do with what you sign up for, through the -- through the white house.gov to receive e-mails and let's just -- the reason i interrupted you, i want you to rephrase your question. and don't continue to assume someone is violating the law. >> never, ever signed up for anything related to this white house -- senator obama as a candidate, senator obama as anything and have received

e-mails from david axelrod. how could that be? >> all right, now critics are suggesting the e-mail push could be illegal. and joining us is stephen hayes, a staff writer for the weekly standard and fox news contributor and good to see you and what might be eel about the white house compiling a list of people and sending them e-mails, about their ideas for health care and health insurance reform? >> well, i think there are laws that strictly determine what you can and can't use in terms of e mailings that you may hahave sod during campaigns and then using them during governing and what struck me was robert gibbs' contravention and major was asking i think a very serious question, and the answer should have been pretty straightforward and you should know what the list is that you are using and if you don't know the list, say so and that is the answer but the fact that he couldn't answer those -- the question in a straightforward way i think is troubling.

>> he said don't look funny to major and i want you to rephrase your question and rephrase in a way that he asks the kind of question, he wants to answer, right. >> yeah. exactly. and it's not every day that robert gibbs gets difficult questions, in the whole scheme of things, who i think the e-mail issue is a big deal, i don't, i don't think the white house probably is taking e-mails and -- people that are known to be critical or sceptical of health care reform and sending them a e-mail from david axelrod, that does not make sense and i don't think there is anything nefarious going on but it's interesting to me robert gibbs gets as testy as he did because he gets one question, that is a tough question for him to answer and clearly didn't have the answer to the question, and, then gets a follow-up for it and he's used to getting soft-ball and he should be a little bit more disciplined as he tries to answer serious questions from serious supporters. >> rick: i want to ask you about the change in strategy now. we see the white house clearly

shifting gears here, and they are not talk about health care reform, they are not talking about insuring the uninsured, they are talking about health insurance reform. i don't know whether this is the third or fourth different strategy they've used but i guess they figure maybe the third time will be the charm. could this work, the populist approach to the -- could it be the approach to begin to resonate with the people who are showing up at the town halls and clearly upset with what they are hearing from white house. >> no, i don't think so. i mean, i think if this was their pitch from the concerning, we are pursuing health care reform and make your life easier and speaking to middle class americans, those showing up at the town halls and it could have had effect at that point and i think this smells of desperation now. and you had the president yesterday, at the town hall in colorado, talking -- basically changing some of the fundamental points that he made during the campaign in favor of health care

reform. and totally switching them and in some ways arguing the opposite and during the campaign, remember, the main push for health care reform from president obama, after he took office was that it would save money and we had to do it and it would cut costs and yesterday in his town hall he said in effect the opposite, he said, look, this is going to cost us money, i wish we could do this without costing the health insurance companies money and without a lot of costs but it will be expensive and that seems to me to be mutually self-contradictory argument. >> stephen hayes of "the weekly standard" and fox news contributor and changes we are seeing from the white house, want to listen to this, we have a "fox news alert" and more changes being discuss. >> jamie: thank you rick, a fox news alert, news from the health and human services secretary, that could be -- kathleen sebelius saying the president would be willing to accept they bill that didn't that he have public option for government

provided health plan and that is interesting and president had pushed for this option, time and time again. and this will likely get a lot of 0 attention and wield stay on top of there. >> rick: a missing ship and ransom demand and the mystery of the russian cargo ship, arctic sea, taking a new twist. >> jamie: you saw the tough questions at the town hall meeting, and the whole exchange, fair and balanced, just ahead. so what do you think? i think i'll go with the basic package. good choice. only meineke lets you choose the brake service that's right for you. and save 50% on pads and shoes. meineke.

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>> rick: a fox news alert and some big news out of washington. the cornerstone of the president's health care reform plan could be off the table now. yet another change coming from the white house. as the health be a human services secretary, kathleen sebelius says this morning on television that the president would be willing to accepted a bill that does not contain the so-called public option for government-provided health care, and this would be the public option, health care that would be run by the government, but would be in the words of the president, competition for the private health insurance agencies out there. and the president has been pushing for this liberal group, pushing for this over and over and over again and it will get a lot of attention if in fact the white house is willing to move away from quote-unquote public option in favor of what they are calling health insurance cooperatives and people would be able to buy into and we'll get more information about this throughout the morning and bring

it. >> jamie: chris wallace way ahead of secretary sebelius's comments you'll hear, a couple of hours ago, our own chris walls loss put the public option question to senator conrad. >> would the president be better off taking the public option off the table right now? >> look, the fact of the matter is, there are not the votes in the u.s. senate for the public option. there never have been and so, to continue to chase that rabbit, i think is just a wasted effort. >> jamie: joining me now, the host of "fox news sunday," chris wallace and the white house keeps raising questions on why people are coming to the town halls and they are looking for answers and the policies and the programs potentially keep getting changed and look at the shift just this morning. >> chris: that is exactly right. and, in fact, during our conversation, i really commended the people when we did a fact check about what is really in

the democratic plans and what isn't in the democratic plans, and we had senator shelby, and senator conrad, also the head of the ama and aarp and at one point i talked to senator conrad about the president's plan, democratic senator and he said, there isn't a president's plan, he gave us broad outlines, and he has never come up with a plan and that is rather a striking statement this many months into the debate over health care reform. >> jamie: even in that sound bite, chris, he says, the senator, that there aren't the votes for it. so, now, we are seeing the shift away, potentially from the public option and the president saying he could live without it. that was really a cornerstone of the whole plan, wasn't it. >> chris: well, absolutely. if it happened now -- this is the health secretary saying it and certainly is at the least, a -- but if the president or his press secretary comes out and confirms that, it is a very big deal and i think to a certain degree, that is the point kent conrad is making they are

following the political reality and that this is not going to pass in the senate anyway and why is this -- why they are fighting for something you will lose and instead of talk about cooperatives, now that is not entirely satisfactory to conservatives and these would be nonprofit, run by the people who are part of this, and in the sense that a lot of cooperatives, and land owe lakes in minnesota, are cooperate tifgs, and the fact is it would get public seed money to start with until they have gotten up and running and so there is a public component to it, and we asked republican senator richard shelby kwets whether he'd accept it and he said it is a lot better than the public option but we still have to study it. >> jamie: and everyone has to study it and trying to understand where it is all going, chris wallace, thanks, don't this program, especially today. here on the fox news channel or check your local listings. thanks, chris. >> chris: thank you. >>... vote no.

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