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found these kids in the front. jane: and we see these kids on the picture here, they were sitting there, screaming their heads off. >> yes, they were upset. fortunately, suspects listens to the plea, we turned them in to make sure they were safe. jane: talk to me about how this happened. these men busted into the home and said they were police officers? >> what happens with many commendations that occurred, police officers yell police or something else to get them off guard. in this case, that is what happened. the men were armed, they broke into the home.

when suspects found her, they had a motive of robbery initially and did not get what they wanted. they took the children and left. what we do now is hopefully get some information to the public. we analyzed the evidence, processed the kidnapping. we will be taking a look. hopefully we will blink -- bring this to a complete conclusion. when they target someone here, they do it for a reason, and our government needs to know how to figure that out. the father allegedly is out of the country, so we will have to figure that out, but it would not surprise us. jane: they are on the hubs now for the suspects.

jon: hurricane bill is picking up power in the ocean as it heads northwest. how is it looking at here? >> the advisory is out, strengthening of hundred 5 miles an hour sustained winds, getting closer. i think you need to start making up your mind of what you are doing, because the forecast just grapes cape cod and the island. we're five days out, and the

forecast is still uncertain. but the one thing certain is that this storm is strengthening, got a lot of warm water ahead of it, 80 degrees fahrenheit, and that a substantial to strengthen. you can see this right now, very well defined, and we just need to see some of the showers and thunderstorms out there. however, it is going through a restrengthening, and that in turn will make it a more powerful storm. they're on their way out to investigate it, not today, but the next few days. so we will have better information on where it is heading. as of 11:00 a.m., it just scrapes the east coast of new england.

jon: if you are looking for presidential spam in your e-mail box, it will not be there. the administration does about face, pulling the plug on americans who disagree with reform plans. it came to light with people across america started receiving unsolicited e-mail from the white house. they say that updates have played a central role in an effort to push back on misinformation and health insurance reform. major garrett is live on the north lawn. walk us through the demise of flag at white house. >> i want to separate one thing here. it is not clear, and the white house denies that they ever used

the address to collect e-mail addresses and send anything out from the white house regarding health care. the chinese attributed to a third party groups on the white house website using software programs that will then get cycle through and be sent out to use information. so flag@whitehouse.gov is now dead. the white house said it was trying to track rumors that were there. it invited the public to send an e-mail if they can cross anything that seems fishy.

that provoked a considerable amount of debate and some controversy. it says on the blog that it is no longer operational. to better understand what new operation is bubbling up online, they say, we what suggestions about topics to address through the reality check part of the website. you can see much gentler language about the offering people to send them suggestions to discuss things about health care, not tracked rumors or casual conversation and fly them to the white house's attention. you can clearly see a deliberate attempt not only to soften rhetoric, but to step back from this idea that the white house wants to do this. they are not conceding something in public, except for the fact that this was a blog post, and

no white house i have ever dealt with ever remove something. it started in earnest and was defended for some time, but it does not understand why there is a problem. clearly, the white house stepped away from it, leaving us to a reality check. jane: distancing itself from a government public auction. we just heard from a woman who is trying to suggest a shift away from policy. shannon is there for us. >> she said it is not a policy

issue. you have to wonder if they are floating the idea. >> all i can tell you is that sunday must have been a slow news day. here's the bottom line. absolutely nothing has changed. we continue to support a public auction that will help lower costs, give american consumers more choice and keep private insurers honest. >> but to support the public auction is not the same thing as saying it is a makeover of legislation. she can address it, but maybe not clarify it to everyone's satisfaction. first of all, let's take a look at what was said in july about how he felt about including the public auction. >> any plan i sign must include

an insurance exchange, a one- stop change to increase compensation -- competition. >> he said in july, any plan has to include eight public auction. whether we get it or not is not important. it is just one aspect of the plan. it is not a make-or-break. jane: what about those on the left who are not happy at all about the possibility of losing the option, and what does it do about legislation? >> it should be a ranch in the legislation, at least on the house side. we heard from nancy pelosi to put out a statement saying that she would like to move back to march, where he talked about the public auction and how crucial it was, and remind everybody

that all three versions of the bill had this provision. they go further to say if you try to sell it out to by senate votes, you could use up to 100 votes on the house side. jon: let's take a quick check on wall street this hour. the dow is up about 59 points. it had taken somewhat of a beating in the past days. what is happening? >> a bit of a bounce back today. we had numbers on wholesale inflation coming down. inflation is necessarily a threat in the short term. overall, we are enhancing it. when you talk to investors, when

we see a big book decline late yesterday, investors who missed the rally since market to jump in, and we are seeing some of the market bounced back. jon: a new clue in the search for a missing georgia mother. but police are looking for now. a live report is coming up. jane: the fbi is now on the case. what went down? not looking for a bailout, just a good paying job. that's why i like this clean energy idea. now that works for our whole family. for the kids, a better environment. for my wife, who commutes, no more gettin' jerked around on gas prices... and for me, well, it wouldn't be so bad if this breadwinner brought home a little more bread. repower america.

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jane: a $10,000 reward if you can find a 5-year-old boy who vanished in oakland, california. he was left in the parking lot

of a shoe store for just a minute. when he returned, the boy was gone. he is about 3 feet tall and weighs 30 pounds and was last seen wearing a gray sweatshirt and a great pet. jon: investigators are puzzled and neighbors are scared in this area of georgia where police are going door to door looking for the 38-year-old mother who vanished one week ago today. meanwhile, new details about her cellular phone call. what is the latest on the search? >> this story is disturbing. her boyfriend was on the phone for her.

around this area, there are hundreds of volunteers going door-to-door. i found this at a convenience store, a water bottle. state investigators say they are looking for two possible vehicles that do not belong to anyone over here. one is a large white suv. it right here where i'm standing as a state road, and he was actually taken on this road. her cellular phone was found 3 miles down. so they think it could be tennessee or north carolina at this time. they want everyone to keep their eyes open for any sign. jon: jane: it has been a week, but the family is still holding

out hope, right? >> they want everyone to keep looking at her picture. as a former probation officer, a thinker experience could come in handy. they feel like she is well- equipped to handle an emergency like this one. jon: any suspects at this point? >> the suspects in the area are hoping to learn something, but they have also said they do not believe any upper three x husbands or her boyfriend had anything to do with this. she was on the former boyfriend and it was way too far away. that is basically why they are standing by right now. jane: you just heard the secretary of health and human services say it must've been a slow news day about her

comments with health care crating a firestorm. what are the intentions of the administration? jon: the mastermind behind the stop bombing.

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jon: new signs right now about the iranian nuclear program. a senior official says that iran is ready to negotiate, but talks must be based on mutual respect and have no preconditions. president obama wants to establish a dialogue on to new chiller issue, and they have set a deadline to respond. if talks fail, they would try to enforce sanctions.

a court in scotland said a libyan man found guilty of the 1998 bombing can overturn his conviction. scotland's government is deciding whether to release him on compassionate grounds were to transfer him to a libyan prison. the bomber has terminal prostate cancer. a former intelligence agent was convicted in 2001 of planning of the bombing of pan am flight 1 03, which happened over scotland, killing everyone inside the plane and 11 people on the ground. the u.s. wants him to remain in prison. >> sunday must of been a slow news day. absolutely nothing has changed. we continue to support the public auction that will lower

costs, give americans more choice, and keep private insurers honest. jane: that is kathleen sibelius saying that nothing has changed in presidential support for government-run health insurance, with a public auction, as it is called. they created a whole bunch of headline about the option, and have created a lot of pressure from the left. we have our political analysts here. a slow news day? when in doubt, when the media? >> i think the reality is, and there is such a backlash from members of congress, i think they realize that maybe it was a trial balloon, i do not know. but they have considered for a long time the idea of changing

the public option. because they are getting so much pushback, it is something that they are considering. >> it was not clear. on sunday, we had the secretary telling us it was not that important. now we have a suggestion that anything will have backing. who is in charge of the debate? it is unclear whether it is the president or far-left members like nancy pelosi. >> is starting over a possibility?

>> i do not think it is something the white house wants. i know they were hoping it would be wrapped up sooner because, based on experience, the longer that you let it stay out there, the less likely it will pass. and obama has democrats in control of congress, and if he wants to push this through, and he can push it through. it is just a question of political will. >> let's go back to your question about alan boyd, a blue dog member from florida. i think he is right. what we need to do is slow this process down and debate health care, have a healthy debate at the american people deserve. we have seen that. let's take into consideration

some of the ideas that republicans put forward on health care, like asking small businesses to have the same leverage that general electric or exxon has. >> where people make up complaints about death panels? because that is what is going on? that is the debate you wanted to have. >> the american people deserve a healthy debate and discussion. why would we have a policy, all 1000 page bill that members admit they do not have a chance to read? that is rushing to the end game. americans want reform.

>> if you want a healthy debate, do you think something in the bill drafted by republican -- it was not even nancy pelosi's idea. it is not a healthy debate. >> this is a serious issue that republicans and democrats believe in. jon: the pentagon coming up with a new plan to deal with battlefield stress.

jon: bracing for the first atlantic hurricane, already strong and getting stronger. americans need to pay close attention. one of the largest sellers of used cars thinks some of their sold cars might be missing something very important for your safety. and this dashboard camera video is sparking an fbi investigation. what the police chief as saying, and what the suspect is doing.

jane: as you were speaking, a little information from houston, texas, on the shooting in the wake of a bank robbery there. shooters are telling us that a wachovia bank was robbed. they were able to locate this vehicle they believe that the suspect was driving. they stopped the vehicle, the officer approached it and saw the suspect espying a weapon. they shot and killed the suspect. we will continue to watch live pictures and bring in new details on this. the u.s. army is moving beyond boot camp. they are training the army to fight mental stress. they want more than 1 million soldiers to take part in emotional resilience the class's.

>> is based on the research of dr. martin seligman of the university of pennsylvania. they call him "dr. happy." they want to train 1500 sergeants to conduct a 90- minute class is in anchor management, a $117 million program. jane: it sounds touchy-feely, for lack of a better term. what is the reaction? >> george casey was asked that very thing at a hotel outside of the agency, and he was asked, is this too touchy-feely? there were mixed reactions. it is awkward, but it down the stigma of mental health issues,

because they are facing an unprecedented number of suicides and the stress is very real. so what they want to do is have people get the help they need. listen to brigadier general steve townsend at fort campbell, ky. >> the new car has the army intervention model on it. ask your body directly if you think he is having suicidal thoughts. care enough about him to get them help now. do not wait.

>> there were 15 suicides in the last several months. jon: the palestinian organization hamas is taking a place out of the iranian playbook for god's up. new rules include a strict dress code for women -- in gaza. mike? >> when hamas first took power, the fundamentalist group did ruled the streets of gaza with an iron fist, but made a point of living -- leaving personal lives alone. now that they're confident they are in control, this group is trying to control people, as well. >> all of the man take their campaign to the streets of does up. they are armed with posters that

says covering up is not enough. women need to wear loose enough clothing to cover their figures. >> it is a value to society, like printing smoking and drugs. one issue is the dress of women in public. >> they have gone around 2 stores selling revealing clothing that one would only where around the house, and ask them to stop displaying goods in public. they went so far as to demand that all manikins be covered in traditional long expressed. they go to the beaches, demanding that men put on their shirts and women wear full head garb. it is in contrast to the pledges of hamas when they seized power in 2007. the deeply religious group vowed never to focus its fundamentals

on the people of gaza. now, a degree says that women must wear head scarves and loose robes in court. >> the decision denies basic freedom of lawyers. >> the command shows that hamas is now confident they have cemented their hold on power in gaza. this opens the door to extended ideology, similar to the way its financial benefactor, iran, control floods in tehran. -- controls lives in teheran. certain groups do not believe hamas is radical enough. the latest uprising resulted in 24 dead, more than 100 injured. jane: false advertising with dangerous consequences. enterprise rent-a-car -- it

turns out they have been selling cars without side air bags, even though they were advertised as having them. steve has been following this for us. how did this happen? >> an investigation found that they ordered a fleet of cars without a standard safety picture, and they sold some of them without letting buyers know that they did not have side impact air bags. enterprise is the largest vendor of used cars, and they ordered cars between 2006 and 2008 without the air bags. they were chevy impalas, which, as standard equipment with airbags unless otherwise specified. enterprise did not want them. later, they made clear on their web site at the apollos were

lacking that equipment. -- that the impalas were lacking that equipment. today they are saying they are not the only people who buy fleets of cars without side impact air bags. others do it, also. they said that there was a glitch in their system and plans to buy back those cars at $750 above blue book value. their business is reputation based, they say. most of the business is repeat or referrals. they apologize for this, and are doing what they can to rectify the situation with customers. side impact air bags are not yet required by federal law, but they will be next year. jane: some people may not even know if their cars have them or not. do they improve safety significantly? >> they are very effective. they reduce highway death 45% in

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jane: a lot going on this hour.

>> the wachovia bank that was robbed shut down the 59 freeway because they were after the suspect. moments ago, they stopped the car across all lanes of traffic, and the cops shot the suspect dead. as you can imagine, that is a bad free way. i'd just got an e-mail from the publicist of michael jackson, and his funeral is scheduled for what would have been his 51st birthday. it is in the great mausoleum of glendale forest lawn. that is in glendale calif. on

saturday, august 49, at 10:00 a.m.. it is what would have been his 51st birthday. and then the public goes on to say the ceremony would be limited to family and friends. it rounds out that the jackson family wants to reserve the funeral for all of the fans. the last thing i want to tell you about, in wisconsin, remember how bret favre said he was ready to play football -- we just have confirmed that he is on his way, on a flight to the minnesota vikings. if all goes well in a perfect world, his agent says, he will sign. can you imagine having to walk across the border in viking country and see him where a

viking uniform? where has the world on? jon: some pretty troubling passport camera from minneapolis. it is leading to an investigation. the tape shows daryl dinkins being pulled over for a traffic stop. a whole bunch of cops are punching and kicking him and even pulled out eight taser at one point. the police chief and minneapolis says there is a cause for concern, but they stopped short of saying what they did. he was pulled over why?

>> he said he was at a stoplight. >> so they get out of the car, and declined is taken down and five other officers show up? >> that is right. it proceeded to punch and kick and elbow him. jon: i guess the question is, what did he say or do? for some time, they said, it does look good, but some time it is necessary. how did you respond? >> what is a necessary is the brutal attack -- unnecessary as the brittle attack on him.

-- was the brutal attack on him. it led to an assault. jon: there were originally charges filed, but they have been dropped. is that because you believe that police did not have the evidence, or are they just trying to make the case go away? >> well, once the video tape came out, he was charged, and for the after that, all criminal charges were dismissed. that says to me that the tape speaks for itself. it is very clear who is at fault. jon: all right. we will continue to keep an eye on this case. thank you very much. jane: there's a possibility that hurricane bill could become a real monster.

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jane: you might remember the good old days of going to be fair with the corn dogs and carousels and all of that. there is a whole new range of activities, not only for little kids, but for the generation y kids, as well. we are in san mateo california with a bunch of high-tech stuff happening. that is what atom loves. show us. >> cotton candy, corn dogs -- if you go to the fair with the kids, you have all of these

rights. it has not really started today, but in some respects, last night and the last couple of weeks here, you are talking about high-tech ways of getting people there. pictures on the iphone, all sorts of things. in the county fair in northern california, if you twitter fast enough, you can win at $50. they also have you shoot your video, put it on youtube, and you can make money that way. when generation x was helping teenagers, that is now all of the window in terms of iphones and video cameras. what has the response been like? it is catching on, absolutely.

they are trying to get people to come to the fair, because they have everything from shooting a watered-down to rolling balls in and getting horses to go across. all of it is possible. the ferris wheel is here, and that is still popular. the idea is to get teenagers in the door. when you have cool things to do like -- when we were kids and jon in college, we would all play video games. now this is a way to get the old folks in with teenagers and get them to stay for a while. enjoy the day. jon: when he was a kid, i was opening my first ira. very sad. jane: we have the latest tool in the fight against terrorists. we will explain how mules are

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jon: let's get to the second hour now. we begin with a high-level meeting at the right house -- white house, with obama talking with the addiction president to try and lay the groundwork for restarting the least peace talks. meanwhile, a brand new reaction from the health and human services secretary on the fate of the so-called "public option ." kathleen sibelius said over the weekend that the plan was not essential for reform, but now she is backpedaling. take a listen. [captioning made possible by fox news channel] captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org-- >> sunday must have been a slow news day. here's the bottom line. absolutely nothing has changed. we continue to support the public option that will help

lower costs, give american consumers more choice, and keep insurers honest. jon: melanie, what is the white house saying about all of the reports that the administration is getting ready to drop the public option? >> they are saying that their message has changed, and that there is no change in what they have been saying about the public option, that the president supports it but he is in favor of all ideas that increase competition in the marketplace. secretary robert gibbs just told us that this is a consistent message that he has been with four months, that the public auction bid was a dog whistle they have been blowing for months that just got picked up.

he told an audience that the public auction was not a representation of the integrity of reform, just a sliver. that generated fire and caught headlines. but then kathleen sibelius said sunday it was not essential. now she is saying the message has not changed. jon: can you tell us more about what the secretary had to say? >> again, she is saying that nothing has changed. here's what she had to say. >> costs and competition are critical components of health care reform. i continue to believe that the public option is the best way to provide that.

>> again, that message that they prefer the public auction but they are willing to look at other ideas for competition. jon: interesting. in the first years of the clinton administration, democrats tried for reform, but it will shut down. now, president clinton is meeting with president obama this afternoon. is this about health care? >> it is not supposed to be. this is the first chance clinton and obama have had to meet face-to-face about the trip to north korea where he came and brought back two journalists being held there. mr. clinton, as you said, has had his own experience. but there was a major overhaul in the first part of his administration. the secretary says other parts could come up at this meeting, including north korea's nuclear program. jane: a new option out there is

the idea of the health care co op. it is meant to create competition and drive down premiums without a completely government-run program, but how would it work? rich has been looking at it. explain it. >> the federal government would provide set up money and technical help to get more of this started. with co-ops, customers are not in charge of their own health insurance companies. they buy into the cooperative, let board members, choose a ceo. they run the company as a nonprofit, and senators say they are mulling their bill on existing cooperatives. jane: what is the taxpayer costs in all of this. >> they say it will cost about 6 billion up front. once started, they say the government will let the coal ops

run themselves. they say that the government will not come in and automatically rescue them with taxpayer money, but that will not stop a congressman in the future for doing so. most liberal democrats want a single government health care provider, and they have settled on the idea of creating a plan to compete with private insurance companies. they say that co-ops alone cannot reduce health-care costs like a strong government plan that can decide how much they pay doctors and hospitals like medicare. there is strong support for establishing the plan among congressional democrats. jane: the co-op idea is being considered in the senate, and if you had to describe bottom-line how much government involvement, do we even know? it has not been presented as a final plan yet.

>> that is right. it is the senate finance committee, and we do not have all details yet, but senators are meeting and conference calls and they are working at d.c. to get a bill for next month. jon: a fox news alert for you, sad news from the world of journalism. robert novak has passed away. you might remember a year ago in august of 2008, he stunned the world when he reported he had brain cancer and was stepping down immediately from breaking his syndicated column, based at his home in newspaper, the "chicago sun-times." then he began writing again, a few opinion pieces, but brain cancer has apparently taken its toll. we are told that robert novak passed away at about 4:30 this

morning . he teamed up with the late rowland evans, jr., to create the "inside report" column, a six-day column that was a must read. at the time she was only 31 years old. he continued to write the column even after evans retired, continuing to write its solo. he was a frequent guest here on fox news channel. robert novak, 78 years old, passed away this morning. jane: i grew up reading the paper every day. she was often a commentator -- he was often a commentator in later years. he is a guy who would boil down what was happening foreshore. it was about a year ago he made

the announcement of his brain tumor. it is hard to quantify the impact he had in our industry. >> definitely. he was definitely one of the premier journalists, and his column circulated around his column. he had a book, the "prince of darkness." he enjoyed that title, coming in with the perception by people that he loved covering this town. most recently he was circulated in the column that generated so much controversy in 2003 when he identified valerie plame as an

operative for the cia, starting the whole cascading events that led to scooter libby, the vice president's chief of staff, being charged in that case. robert novak was a premier journalists to in this city, and in his column, he really made lawmakers' pay attention. they looked at it, he weighed in on the major issues that have circulated washington for years, for decades. it is a big loss for journalism and for us here at fox, because a lot of folks here were friends of robert novak. jane: even after announcing his diagnosis, he came back and said he would still be writing. he struck me as a guy who had it

running through his veins. that was just as life blood. >> definitely. fred barnes was a good friend of his, and i had a conversation recently where he said he had visited him and novak was still very plugged into what was happening in washington and very interested in the debate and wished that he could performing his columnist duty. but he had deteriorated ever since that brain tumor was announced, and he was sick august of last year. in recent weeks we had a word he was going south, and sad news today that he passed away at the age of 70. jon: know where will his death be felt with greater emotion than at the white house, where

major garrett is now. when did the work break that he had passed away? ? >> i am not sure it has been announced yet. we have had no reaction officially from robert gibbs, although i imagine they are monitoring hour-by-hour events. just this moment, the president of egypt went to see president obama on what the white house and egyptian government hope will be a meeting providing some impetus to push the priest process forward in the middle east. but i will say this. robert novak and i were not close friends, and there is something repellent about the phoniness of false of regencies and french ships. we were not close friends, but i arrived in washington in 1990, 27 years old, covering capitol hill. if you covered capitol hill and or any other time, he knew him

-- you knew he was a columnist who broke the news. few columnists break news and get into the comfort zone of lawmakers. lawmakers like to read theories about policy. they are disturbed by columnists to get into there portable life -- their political life and break news. he did that on a consistent basis. you had to read his column and return his phone calls. that is how you knew you had arrived in washington. he did that long before i did, and his legacy will exist long before or mine -- much longer than mine. jane: he passed away early at home this morning. he had been hospitalized in july. she said that he loved being a journalist, love to journalism, his country, and his family.

this is a guy who did not just right to offer opinions but also broke news, as well. you just got the sense that he was one of those guys who liked to get his hands dirty on a story, and we do not see people like that so much anymore these days. >> i spent 17 years as a writer before going into television, and it is called shoe leather. it is hard work. not fancy, not glamorous, but it elicits facts and breaks news. robert novak was one of the best practitioners of it in the city. jane: you get a lot of experience with the that getting your hands dirty. thank you. jon: it is said that newspapers are the first draft of history. robert novak not only wrote those, he made history. (mom) soon, we'll be doing homework, getting up early,

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jon: fox has confirmed that journalist robert novak has died. the conservative columnist was cohost of a television program and made a lot of news during his career in his column, a must-read for many is washington. fred barnes is here with us, a long-time friend to novak. what has journal is a lost? >> he was one-of-a-kind. he was the author of a reported column that both reflected his opinions but also reflected the reporting he had done, and he wanted every column to have reporting in it that had never been anywhere else.

to have exclusive information that would reflect his opinion but also have good reporting. for years, along with his partner, it was in the washington papers. for decades, it was the first thing i turned to. jon: he was something of a mentor for you. >> he was. it was 1973, and i was a reporter for the "washington evening star," covering at gerald ford. bob and i began to be friends because he has a passion for basketball. so we got tickets for the washington wizards, and we sat next to each other from 1974 on, becoming very close friends. for more than anyone else in journalism, i admired the way he

operated. he was a conservative, but he was always very tough on republicans as well as democrats, and he terrified a lot of politicians. jane: we are getting reaction from capitol hill, from mitch mcconnell. he said for more than half a century, bob novak explain the policies and personality in washington through a mix of tireless reporting and keen insight that can only be gained through years of dedication to a craft. he was a washington institution that could turn an idea into the most-discussed story around. that pretty much echoes what you were saying. i do not want you to violate your competence with him, but obviously went through the scooter libby issue with him. can you tell us anything, any

inside information, his reaction to that, becoming the center of the story? >> he had become the center of the store before on a number of occasions. he was ruffled on having to get a lawyer, but it turned out he was the first one to hear from anybody in the bush administration about valerie plame is part of it and helping their -- helping her husband get this trip to africa, and what president bush had said about saddam hussein seeking iranian in africa was wrong. they are still discussing it. it turns out president bush was right. but bob heard it first and reported it in his column, and it was perfectly comfortable.

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jane: facebook is staring at a legal problem. users have filed suit in orange county, calif., charging that the network violates privacy laws by misleading users on how their personal and permission is actually used. -- how their personal information is used. >> this is a civil lawsuit filed by five users in orange county.

a photographer, actress, and several students are seeking attorneys fees, damages, and a jury trial. basically, they allege facebook is violating consumer privacy laws by seeking out personal incarnation and sharing it with a third party, in this case, an advertiser. the law states that facebook is a data mining company that seeks to disseminate information to third parties for benefits. we could be talking but email, phone numbers, pictures, whatever information might be posted to an advertiser. not much at this point is being said, although we do have a short statement from a company spokesperson saying that they see no merit to the suit and planned to fight it. i have to tell you, facebook is not alone. there is a technology ridiculing the lawsuit, saying that these people have thrown

everything but the kitchen sink at them and that these plaintiffs were engaging in normal socializing activity on the side, posting pictures, information, whatever. one example in a lawsuit of the plaintiffs is an 11-year-old boy who posted the fact he has swine flu. when his parents found out, they made him take it down and became upset when they could not find out what facebook had done with the permission, whether they had stored it or done something else. jon: who does not hate wading through this recording? >> your call has been forwarded to an automatic voice messaging system. at the tone, please record your message. when you have finished recording, hang up, or press one or more options. to leave a call back number, press 5. jane: so annoying.

but waiting for the beeps translate to big profits for phone companies. >> are you angry at? press 5 if you are angry. from the category of, "who knew ?" you are using air time sending a message, and that costs money. the more you have to wait, the more profit the phone company debts. an online effort started a few months ago to give consumers an option. on average, it takes about 15 seconds to get through the options. but we have the technical writer of the "new york times," who started a campaign to take back to the beat. >> are you kidding me? it has been 40 years. there is no one alive who does

not know you can leave a message. if there is, they do not deserve to use a cellular phone. >> he argues that if horizon's -- verizon's 80 million customers check their message is three times a day, they can make a massive profit. blogs have written the four major carriers. here is when it gets tricky. each company has a different method for getting around the beat. there is no standard, but the blocker's what access to information so the consumer can figure out if he or she wants to get around the constant sound of that manufactured voice. jane: you reached out to carriers. what did you find? >> we found out a little bit.

i think the answers were, yes, no, and we are not exactly sure. sprint has a link on their web site called "take back to the beat -- the beep." verizon at&t are not yet responding. but we can help you navigate. go to foxnews.com, and there is information to save you a little bit of money. jane: it really is antiquated, isn't it? jon: whenever i leave a message on jane's cellular phone, she never returned my calls. [laughter] jane: breaking details, a story we have been falling, a manhunt continuing for suspects who kidnapped two tiny little kids very early this morning from their home in phoenix, arizona. a little boy and a little girl.

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robert novak has passed away. it was just a year ago, august last year, he announced he was stepping down from writing his column because of brain cancer. he then resumed writing an opinion column, but he died at home this morning, brain cancer finally claiming one of the legendary journalists of our time. he passed away at the age of 78. jane: new details at a phoenix. police have been searching for a group of men who they say broke into a house to kidnap two small children, a two-year-old and an 11-year-old. harris has more details on the hunt for the suspects. >> they consider this to be an important detail in this investigation, and they are looking into why these four men would have gone into this house and taken small children.

they say it is important for them to know now they were looking for something. this was not about the children. they were looking for something. it is important because they are trying to figure out whether or not this is tied to immigration or drug smuggling, a huge problem for phoenix. phoenix is known as the kidnapping capital, so they want to know, does this have anything to do with the kids, is it about drugs, or anything else? they are looking for something. they ransacked the house pretty quickly before taking off with the kids, and as we know, five months later they returned the will to ones on harm to. -- the two little ones were unharmed. jon: a new report says healthy adults would pay the biggest price for health care reform. u.s. news and little report's bernadette healey says young,

healthy adults could end up paying eight times more after health care reform. they said that the new clients will be plucked from the ranks of 45 million uninsured americans, tilting toward help the people who are young and working. joining us is the former president of the american red cross, dr. bernadine healy. you say that maybe the health- care debate does not affect you if you are young and healthy. >> that is correct. one of the reasons the 20-year- old right out of college, starting out in the workplace, who does not health insurance, it is because of the high cost. in many states they can only get a very comprehensive policy.

but many policies throughout the country are only catastrophic, focusing on events that could bankrupt people who are normally otherwise very healthy. those individuals would be forced to buy a policy that is many times more expensive and probably not affordable. the person who makes $35,000 a year, just making it, could handle $500,000, but not a $5,000.10. jon: you say that is where this is headed. the coverage to cost $500 a year now for help the americans is headed towards 4000 a year? >> yes. the deductible can vary, but it could be low as five or six, were in the range of 1000 or 1500.

i think there are a few lines in the 1000-page bill in the house of representatives. they say that when you look at setting the price of a policy for americans, you cannot allow it to be a variation by a factor of two. that means a younger person has to pay at least 50% of what the older person does. jon: there we go. they turned off the satellite for her. we apologize for that. sometimes, these things happen. all right. we do have her back. are you able to hear me? terrific. let me just get to your thought about what the answer is. no one wants to hear they will pay eight times as much, especially when they are healthy.

what is the answer? >> i think our children are already paying medicare and social security for old-timers, and the messages that we cannot have just one policy that fits all americans coming out of washington. younger people may need something different, someone older might need something else, someone with a chronic illness probably would need an ongoing hmo or something that could coordinate their care because they needed on a regular basis. and the notion one person is going to be getting the exact same policy for the rest of the country is not suitable for what medicine is like. jon: it sounds like an argument for free market policies. they are better at coming up with some of these options they are describing. >> we really have not ever had a

good free market for insurance, so the discussion is silly. most people are forced into one or two policies, without robust competition. you could bring down premium prices with robust competition. in netherlands, they switched to 90% private insurance to citizens, and they said only the help insured do not like it because they were competing with others in premiums had to go down. part of that is people choosing a policy suitable for them, not for everyone else, and that is how you get negotiations and debt service and how you get insurance companies responding to the needs of the patient rather than to the employer or the government.

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jane: high-tech gear only gets you so far in afghanistan. that mountainous terrain is proving too tough for a lot of military vehicles, but it is perfect for mules. they need training, though. claudia is in bridgeport, calif., with a whole bunch of them. claudia? >> hello. one of dozens of mules and donkeys used in the only training course by the military, and it is helping marines take a load off in mountainous war zones.

morning wake-up call at the marine corps mountain warfare training center in the california and sierra nevada mountain range. they come complete with 30 years and a strong back, perfect for hauling long-distance is. this is precisely the conditions that u.s. forces face in the mountains of afghanistan. >> i know that i do not what all this stuff on my back, for one. >> marines learned to get hundreds of pounds of years off of their back and onto donkeys and mules. >> it reduces our load to 20 pounds. we can move faster. >> these animals are not just strong, they are short-footed. but when they cannot see their feet or choose to be stubborn, they will not budge, and that is

when these marines become dante was purse. >> you have a child you're trying to teach something, you have to maintain their ideas. >> at the end of this 11-mile trek into the sierra, they are very appreciative to these allies. when they get over to afghanistan, they will be certified, so to speak, and they will know how to pack them up and move them out. jane: thank you. jon: we are going to have more on the life of robert novak. we will take a look back on his amazing career.

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jon: a security scare involving the disney star miley cyrus. 53-year-old man faces the judge today for allegedly stalking her. police say that mark mccloud try to break through security at a set she was filming in june. he reportedly told the security guard he was engaged to her.

she is 16 years old. he was previously arrested on stalking charges are released because of jail overcrowding. jane: a year ago during the campaign, president obama meeting together with the clintons. james rosen is in d.c. for us. there was a lot of chatter about how clinton is being marginalized by the foreign policy council. what is going on? >> based on the poll numbers we have, it would appear secretary clinton's star is rising in the eyes of the public at a time when the bloom may be coming off the rose for president obama. this is it at a poll conducted earlier this month with registered voters, and over 66% approved the job she was doing a

secretary of state. it is not surprising that an almost universal approval is there, with her approval rating up 11. since march. we should all break our elbow. jane: she declared that she is the secretary of state, not her husband, during the trip to africa. what are the public perceptions of former president clinton? >> erasmus and poll says that former president and's approval ratings are higher now than when he left office. the poll was taken after he returned from north korea to secure release of the two journalists detained and convicted on espionage charges. naturally, we would expect the numbers to rise after performing what is essentially a

universally-claimed humanitarian mission. we also have our own opinion dynamics poll showing that overall, most people probably would make no difference in our relations with north korea. 59% to 30% democrats were evenly split on that. jane: a pretty prickly situation caught on tape. an arizona homeowners fighting back against a sticky-fingered plant with their. . has progress taken us to a better place?

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jane: and a homeowner in arizona is fighting back at a major thorn in her side. how lauren green says that the woman you will see stole more than $1,000 of cactus from her yard. she rigged up a surveillance

camera. it took four men to install at cactus. she is hoping that someone can identify that person, or at least make that person think twice before hitting her yard. jon: exotic pet industry is gearing up for a fight againswih burmese pythons. tens of thousands of them have invaded the florida everglades in recent years. there have been tragedies attributed to the snake, such as the death of a florida paul learned last month -- toddler last month. and joining us now is the ceo and general counsel for the pet

industry joint advisory council. the charge is there are maybe 150,000 of these animals that were loose in the everglades and they are going to ruin the ecosystem. why should we not consider banning their year -- their importation? >> that would not solve the problem of them being in the everglades. we all agree that they should not be there, but this legislation would not deal with for moving them. and there could be an unintended consequences if they ban the importation because there are tens of thousands of pipe on owners and the country and may become prohibited from moving them between the states. we are afraid that owners will abandon the animals, kill the animals, or drive the train underground. we believe we need a more

flexible approach. banning the import as part of the issue. dealing with the species that is in private possession is another part of nature. thirdly, going in to remove them from the everglades is something else that needs to be considered. jon: these are pretty large animals. your fear is if and this band is imposed, people who have one snake and want to move from one state to another, they are just going to let it go? >> there has been some of this occurring in florida. they have the state mechanism for these people to have these animals and they have caging and security requirements, microchip anping, and because of

that, we need regulatory mechanisms so that people do not turn them loose or just go underground. jon: the feeling is a lot of these pythons out their breeding got loose and during hurricane andrew. >> that is right. at the time, in my recollection, there were hundreds of licensed home owners who lost their animals. it is not a simple question of banning the importation. jon: thank you. jane: time to send you over to "the live desk." [captioning made possible by fox news channel] captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org-- trace: we begin with a fox news alert. breaking news. robert novakas