chantell all right, -- sean: all right. we lost a good friend and one of the greatest reporters of all time, and we will miss him dearly. the news continues now with greta van susteren. we will see you back here tomorrow. greta: watch this. >> what do you accomplish by yelling? are you in a capable of the conversation where you talk and i talked -- are you incapable? greta: so what made congressman barney frank say that? brand-new exploits of town hall video, that is next, and, plus, -- brand new and explosive town of the deal. senator jim demint is here. and here it is. -- brand new and explosive town hall video. -- branand something is about to

happen right here on the set. that is all we will tell you accept will i have a job when it is over? stick around. -- except, will i have a job when it is over? and barney hall at a town hall meeting. >> you are going to bankrupt this economy, and you are making a mistake. >> i do not understand your mentality. what do you accomplish by yelling? what do you accomplish by yelling? when you are done yelling, call me. how are you incapable of having a conversation where you talk and i talk? i did not ask you to trust me. i asked you have a civil conversation. >> if this is instituted, you opt out of your cadillac insurance, and it is the same one will be forced to take.

>> socialism is taking money that people do not want to give, assuming that you can do better with that money than you can. >> well, i disagree that it is socialism when you have that. is medicare bankrupt? no, and if we had not gone into the war in iraq, which i thought was a terrible mistake and voted against, which would have that more than enough to pay for health care. greta: take a look at this. >> you know, a lot of people turned out here to talk about the health-care plan. what do you think about that? >> i think we should have some type of public option. >> this country is turning into a socialist state. we do not want socialized medicine. >> what do you think but the public option? >> i think the public option is a good idea. >> 80% of americans are happy

with their health care. >> what is wrong with america? >> i want to speak my piece. >> yes, it gets my blood going. >> if you had a chance to talk to barney frank, what would you say to him? >> keep up the good job. >> he represents the government, to eight. that is reverse. i think he should be representing me to the government. he represents the government, to me. -- he represents the government, to m&a. greta: a caller -- to me. >> about 300 people showed up here, a senior citizens -- here, at the senior citizen center. more of what i talked about last week is that we do not want it

to go this fast or this deficit spending. the public option, greta, has become the centerpiece. will we have it? will we not? speaker pelosi is saying -- i said to congressman frank, "did you support it?" here is what happens. >> when you vote for a bill that does not have a public option -- here is what happened. >> i hope he will not be offended if i say i do not negotiate with people who do not have votes. >> greta, you know, let me tell you. you know, it was interesting. the iraq war came up. george bush came up. barney frank enjoyed the banter back and forth. caughit certainly was an exciti5

hours of banter. greta? greta: in terms of the people who were there, did they walk away satisfied that their questions were answered? they may not like the answers, but at least congressman barney frank answered the questions? >> no, most people were not satisfied, i do not think, and that is a big generalization, i know, but i did speak with folks in a diner across the street when i went over to giet a coke when it was over, and they said it was just a political picture of what this health-care debate has become. not a lot of questions answered. although, with congressman frank, -- greta: stanky. pimm would have guessed? the president of bullington about the public option.

now, he still prefers the public option, but now he is talking plan b -- the president blinked about the public option. senator demint, what is wrong with the co-op? i know you do not like the public option, but what about the co-op? >> well, greta, barney frank and the president and the democrats did not think the american people were going to look under the hood on this bill, but we have, and now, it sounds like the president is on the run. he is trying to use rhetoric tupi people confused, but we know the whole the grail for democrats -- he is trying to use rhetoric to keep people confused. we know the holy grail for democrats is government-run health care. but just as and parte frank -- just as in barney frank's

meeting, i think we have a chance to stop as long as the american people are engaged. greta: as a matter of fact, the president does not need to. he has enough votes in the house. the viewer is just saw a picture of this in my office. do you see lobbyists going up and down the halls of the senate? i mean, who wrote this bank? >> i do not know who wrote it. i am carrying around the house version, with a lot of pages marked that refuted just about everything the president is saying about the plan. we do not know what is coming out of the senate, but we know they cannot pass it without a few votes. i think they will come back from break with a different mind-set on it. what they say is in the bill is not there. people will lose their private health insurance. we will cut medicare. greta, it is just not adding up for the american people, and we

see it in the polls, almost every week. president's approval rating is going down. people do not want a government- run plant. there are good ways we can get people insured and lower the cost of health insurance, but they are not even willing to talk about it unless we are talking about a government plan. greta: if he got all the democrats in the house and all of the democrats in the senate, are you telling me that he cannot get them within his own party -- people do not want a government-run plan. or it just would not look right? >> i am not sure all the democrats will be in attendance, for one thing. they do have 60, but senator kennedy is ill. senator byrd has been in regular. i think they will have to get a few republicans, and any republican who goes along with this idea to pass something in senate and sent it to the house

is really trying everything we are hearing right now from the american people. they do not want a government- run plan. they want us to fix what is broken and not replace what is working in health care. greta, as i travel around south carolina, and people are coming out to my town hall meetings. they have been very positive about standing up and fighting against what the president is trying to deal and hoping that we can stop them on this so we can sit down and talk about real reform. i think this is going on around the country. greta: i know it seems unlikely, but it is almost like a co-op is a little bit like public option light. can you pluck off any of your republican colleagues, do you think, to go for the co-op? >> this is a government- sponsored enterprise. is any republican calls for that, i hope they will not be voted back into office, greta --

if any republican falls for that. the continued spending at the rate we are going right now, it just does not make any sense. washington needs to catch up with where the american people are, and they are concerned about this. we need to fix health care. we do not need the government controlling health care. if greta: the time and the last 50 years when our health-care system work to, -- worked, when, in your opinion, did it work? >> it works now to a large degree. it costs too much. there is not enough competition between insurance companies. people do not have enough flexibility. greta: not having enough competition between insurance companies, is that something new? >> we really have not had enough competition between insurance companies for a long time, and

when the government passed a law to give employers incentives for health insurance that they did not give individuals, we began to move towards an employer-based system, which means if you do not get your insurance provided for by your employer, you are basically getting ripped off. we have a plan that will not cause nearly as much as the president's plan. this is not about getting people insured or lowering the cost of health care. we see that without the republicans at -- how people have been voting. if they back off, we can fix the problem with health insurance and health care within a few weeks, and we can do it in a bipartisan way. greta: maybe not all of these pages that people cannot seem to understand. senator, thank you, sir. >> thanks, greta. greta: up next, this is the massive pile of paper. this is your health-care bill, at least one of them. can any of us possibly figure

out what is going on in this monstrosity? we are going to try. do not miss this, coming up. plus, what is the real story about the health-care co-op? here is the story. the far right hates it. and guess what? the far left hates it. so who likes it, n.y.? that is coming up. and what a football stunner. former green bay packer brett favre is getting ready to do it again -- so who likes it, and why? you know the little things you do to help the environment? here's one more... ziploc evolve. made with 25% less plastic. and made with wind energy. better for the environment. still ziploc fresh.

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right and far left haiti, what? -- what is the difference between the government option and the co-op? and why do people of the far left and far right hate it? >> it would be a member-owned nonprofit entity that would compete with private health plans, but once the government starts it up, supposedly, they would handed off to a self governing board, much like a blue cross type organization. it still has to be determined, but i think what they would envision is a series of regional kalas. the democratic senator behind the idea says a minimum 500,000 people in each one. -- a series of regional co-ops. whether you would need a

national negotiating board -- >greta: the far right hates it. the far left hates it. what is the problem? why do they hate it so much? >> the far left thinks it is a watered-down compromise and that it will not keep the private insurers on this, which is an exercise for the democrats. the far right and things of this is a trojan horse and that after setting it up, the government will never be fully extricated from these co-ops, so it is appealing to people in the middle, who, coincidentally, are the people that president obama needs to push something through. greta: public option light, for block of a better term, because there is summit -- for lack of a better term, because there is some government involvement. does he need them in the future? what is up with this? >> that bill that is waiting down your desk is not going to

get through the senate. no way. they do not have the votes for it, so they have to do something different. there are democrats and others trying to negotiate a bipartisan compromise, and if the co-ops part of that, you might be able to pick off centrist democrats who are scared about the public option and maybe six, seven, eight republicans. who knows? greta: public option versus, what? >> she made a strong statement that she supports the public option after the health and human services secretary over the weekend said this was negotiable. greta: so this could be a showdown? an interesting one? >> yes. you have to watch the white house now. it is coalition management, trying to keep some from peeling off and keeping it some -- keeping some. greta: they may have backed off the public option some.

robert gibson said they had but that they prefer it. it is watered down -- robert gibbs said that. >> you make a really good point. still the whole point of this whole exercise is somehow controlling non-term health-care costs and finding a way to cover some of the 47 million or so uninsured americans. next, we move to another pivot point what taxes, and whether to raise taxes to fund this thing. it is a multi act play. greta: during the clinton administration, that failed, too. >> they came up with a bill almost as big as that, and they did it behind closed doors, and they came to congress and said, "pass this big." there were turf battles that broke out, and they wanted to have their way, and it collapsed. it was kind of a top-ñidown exercise, and this administration is haunted by this because there are so many

clinton administration people there. they want intellectual ownership of this, and they want to feel connected. greta: any lobbyists helped to put this together? >> i would say maybe a few. greta: any citizens helping out on this? thank you very much. thank you. up next, a load of this. now, this is the health-care bill that everyone is talking about. i can hardly lift it. it is not like reading, and that is the least of the problems. we are going to report, and then you can decide. we are going to redo part of it. and 50 million americans, all galling for the exit door. the president is not going to like this, at all -- all going like this, at all -- all going [ female announcer ] introducing the latest

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[captioning made possible by fox news channel] captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org-- greta: ok, who understands this thing? >> all i am asking is a senator to make something that is not so wicked complex, so darn long that it takes someone like me -- >> i love these members to get up and say, "read the bill."

and what good is reading the bill if it is 1000 pages, and you do not have two days and two more years to find out what it means after you have read the bill? >> this health-care package, so the people might be able to read it, and is in a language that i cannot understand. we were promised a change we can believe in. so far, if we are going in and having all of these changes, and i have not got a clue as to what they are, how can i believe in it? how can we trust the government that is shoving things group without letting us have a reasonable discussion about it? greta: yes, here it is. this is the health-care bill that everyone is fighting over, h4-3200, and as you can see, it can double as a piece of a workout equipment.

what is your bet? it is plain and simple writing or something that you have to fake that you understand? joining us is steve moore, an editorial writer for "the wall street journal." >> you owe me, greta. i have not read the whole thing, but i have read a portion of it. i cannot say at understand all of it. greta: we have isolated some parts just to let the viewers know some of the things we do understand, and i want to go to the first section, which is section 102. this is the clear and plain language of the bill. ok. subsection c, and individual health insurance, coverage. subsection one. individual health-insurance coverage that is not grandfathered coverage under subsection a aldie offered honor after the first day of y 1. ok, got that? and the second one is separate,

it accepted coverage. these are not included within the definition of health insurance coverage. nothing in paragraph one should prevent the offering other than to the health insurance exchange of accepted benefits as long as it is offered and priced separately from health insurance coverage." update, viewers, have you got that? >> that is going to push more people -- ok, viewers. that is very much the limit to be enrolled. greta: that is what that means? that is what you read into this? >> that is that section. not those particular paragraphs that you read, but that is it. greta: did you understand what i read? >> a little bit of it. you have to put it into the context. greta: ok, let's talk about transparency then, section 133. transparency. this is my favorite section, and

you have to understand that the president wants transparency. "plans exclosure -- planted disclosure. in general, the plan should comply with standards compiled by these commissioner -- by the commissioner for claims, payments, policies, periodic financial policy, did enrollment, and data on the number of claims denial, information of cost sharing and paints with respect to any out of network coverage and other information as determined opprobrium by the commissioner. if the commissioners shall require that such disclosure be provided in plain language" it is my favorite. and then goes on to talk about plain language, defined in this subsection. including for individuals with limited english proficiency can use it because the language is clear, concise, well organized, and follows other best

practices. >> nothing in this bill is clean and concise and understandable, and yet, they want the health plan that people in raleigh to be played an understandable. -- that people in rural and -- enroll in to be plain and understandable. greta: that made no sense. that is absolutely ridiculous. all right, let's read section 401, individuals with health care coverage. "amendments to the internal revenue code of 1986, subtitles shared responsibility. subtitle a, shared responsibility. subchapter 8 of the internal revenue code of 1986 is amended by adding at the end the following newpark." -- subchapter 8 of the internal

revenue code of 1986 is amended by adding at the end the following new part." >> i read the entire section. you pay for this provision to pay for health care. greta: you know what is so insane about this that people are not thinking about? if this is so incomprehensible or hard to do, if it gets shipped out across the country, the first person who now has to implement it, cannot figure it out, as to hire a lawyer, and everybody hates the warriors, and the warriors go to court, and the judge gets at -- and everybody hates the warriors. then they call the judge acted as judge. >> and there is huge discretion in terms of interpreting it. having an 11-huhundred page bill that nobody can understand -- has to hire a lawyer, and everybody hates the lawyers.

greta: i think we need to fix health care in this country. do not get me wrong. but i would be ashamed. >> this is where we started this conversation. john conyers is the first person to say something honest about this bill. he said, "while reading this, i cannot understand it." greta: they just pull these things out of their hat. >> well, i think they do. by the way, that does violate the president's pledge not to tax people under $250,000. he may not understand that because maybe the white house has not read the bill. greta: some people think you have to make it complicated so you look smart, but a smart person can come up with a simple solution to solve the problem. >> only if they write in a clear, concise, and understandable language, and they are incapable of doing that on capitol hill. greta: i do not even know what

to say. >> it is a good cure for insomnia. anybody out there who cannot sleep, read this bill. greta: anyway, steve, thank you. get ready. it is happening. last night, we told you about taxes. now, it is california. there will soon be blood on the floor of either carly fiorina irca or barbara boxer. irca or barbara boxer. now,

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cancel your membership, cancel your membership. -- your memberships. greta: they are out, 60,000 of the entry and 60,000 senior citizens of bolted from aarp since july 1, so what is up? joining us is elaine. elaine, how long have you been a member? >> 14 years, greta. greta: so do you plan on quitting, or have you quit? >> i have not quite yet because i have a hospitalization policy that i have to determine at two separate, where i am quitting or having my membership, for nonrenewal. -- or i am quitting or having my membership, up for non renewal. greta: why?

>> those of us at the upper end of the spectrum are going to need more health care than those at the bottom end of the spectrum. now, the aarp understands this, and that is where their core membership is. for them to come out and restore -- support this bill is very irresponsible, in my view. greta: i do not know if there are formally saying it, but they say they will not endorse anything. is that true or not true? >> well, that is what they are saying. i am not going to test whether or not it is true. let's stay with m&a as calling them early on, they did it does about the fact that they had endorsed or supported it, and yet, we are getting literature from them, and on their website, they are urging us to call our representatives and have them vote for this bill -- but say --

i was calling them early on. many are not in support of the aarp, and people have read this bill, and we have discussed various sections of it. it is definitely not friendly to seniors. greta: i do not know how you can figure out if it is friendly to seniors or not. i have struggled to read this bank. you are way ahead of me on that. who is your congressman or senator? >> we had senator dodd and senator lieberman. greta: have you contacted senator dodd or senator lieberman? both, i imagine, are in support of it, certainly senator dodd, but have you contacted your

senators? >> i absolutely have, yes. yes, i did that right away. greta: what kind of response are you getting? what kind of response are you getting? >> i got a canned responses that had nothing to do with my views, and it was something that had been well prepared, and as soon as a conversation comes up that says "healthcare," they have an automatic response that is programmed into their machine. i also called washington. i was not allowed to speak to the senators, but i was allowed to have their voice mail, and i made my views known. greta: have you been to any town hall meetings? has a town hall meeting been held in your area? >> not that i know of, no. greta: would you like to go to one? >> yes, absolutely. i do not know if you are aware of this or not, greta, but on

craigslist, there is actually an advertisement for people to be paid a $11 an hour to go to these meetings and be disruptive and shot down anybody who is not in support of this bill. greta: well, thank you for that tip, and i will check that out and follow that up, elaine. all right, i know you all love gretawire, and we have something new. it is our new gretawire forum. if you will see it at the top. just click on the icon and you and other bloggers can talk about the hottest stories of the day. you have to sign up for it. thousands already have. go to gretawire.com check out. it is free. and now, year is what is coming up -- here is what is coming up after the show on "the o'reilly factor." bill go glenn beck.

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back to "greta van susteren and on the record." greta: the day after treasury secretary tim geithner was sworn in, he acted quickly, promising new rules to prevent lobbyists from having any influence on where the money went. six months later, the money is out pre-empt where are the rules? the cows are out of the barn -- the money is out. where are the rules? he promised rules so that lobbyists would not be affecting the outcome of this bailout money. did we get those rules? >> well, the rules are under construction. greta: that means we have not gotten them. >> in the are in the works. greta: the cow is out of the barn, which means that they are -- they are in the works.

what about how they divvy up this money? >> well, that is going to depend on who you ask. the official word is not something that can be determined. the special inspector general was overseeing the bank bailout program, and they put out a report that said basically all contact between congressional representatives to and lobbyists and lobbyists and other officials is not being tracked, so there is no way. greta: the reason i know about it is because i read your article. i went to the inspector general's report that you talked about, and it lists four different incidences. here is one example. there was correspondence with treasury that says, "i urge you to give some bank application of dall due consideration."

then there are these others. clearly, somebody is asking the treasury department to do something. >> right, definitely. there are definitely these discussions going on. it is not clear who is having them and when they are talking about them, but people are definitely going to be putting two and two together. contacting treasury and talking about this bank. obviously, they will get the message no matter what is sedar is not said that they are trying to help out a certain constituent. -- no matter what is said. greta: have logs been kept as 2 s at conversations with treasury? >> no, the initial plan was to keep these logs and make them public on the website -- how long have they logs been kept as to the conversations with treasury? how do you go about not limiting

people, with free speech to talk to these officials, while at the same time limiting their influence on these programs? greta: you can wade your free speech if you want the cash. if you want the bailout. the other thing is they can also redacted without telling us the names are so it -- -- they can also redact it. >> coming off of the momentum that we have got a new administration, this is change, we are going to do things differently. this is one where we are going to do things differently. greta: and you are being very polite. i would say we have been had. good reporting. but we have been had on this. anyway, thank you, meena, very much. guess what? there will also be blood on the floor in california. a former hewlett-packard ceo of carly fiorina is taking the first steps for running for

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