introduce you to a guy that wound up in jail for chewing gum. gretchen: they thought it was crack cocaine. logon for the after the show show, always inspiring. steve: see you tomorrow. [captioning made possible by fox news channel] captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org-- bill: getting word out of baghdad, security forces have found another new bomb after a string of deadly explosions earlier. this month, a truck loaded with deadly explosives. this is from earlier. that is the video from the scene on the inside when the attacks occurred inside, targeting government buildings in this so- called green zone near the heart of the city, it has been transferred to iraqi control. those bombs had hit commercial buildings. police are saying 75 dead, 300

wounded. a live report of asim, minutes away. back at home, new polling numbers show the plans for government-run health insurance. "the wall street journal" poll shows that 47% of americans oppose the public plan. an idea that has the president at war with the left wing of the democratic party. good morning, everybody. megyn: more americans are convinced that a government-run plan will reduce health care options, like which doctor they can see. despite this sentiment, a growing number of congressional democrats say they will use their majority status to force this plan on americans whether they want it or not.

bill: that attitude is leading the headlines today. >> it is interesting, on sunday kathleen sebelius said that a public government option is not essential, then robert gibbs had to explain the deal. let's listen. >> the secretary on sunday said that it is not be essential part. >> that was saturday. >> he did not say that before. and answer that one part, he had not said it before. >> the president has said repeatedly that he is open to different ideas and discussions. >> the white house saying that nothing had changed, but in

grand junction they said that we seem to be bracing for the possibility of a government-run option, possibly no government- run option. bill: what about this whole suggestion that democrats are getting ready to go it alone without republicans? >> all indications are that they are listening to what is being said coast to coast. chuck grassley mentioned the idea of death panels, which the white house has tried to prove is not in health care reform. they seem to be making the assessment that there are only at it -- only a handful of republicans on board. based on that assessment, they think that they might have to go it alone. bill: you can imagine that those might be back again this evening, those questions. megyn: one democratic congressman is daring to go where many of his colleagues

will not. congressman anthony wiener says that he hopes the government run insurance will lead to the end of the private insurance industry. in other words, if you like your private insurance, you can kiss it goodbye if he gets his way. he rhetorically responded yesterday "what is the value"? he said that he wanted medicare expanded to all americans and he wanted private insurers gone. bill: this is from florida, hundreds are turning out for a town hall meeting on health care in the panhandle. a democratic congressman did his best to explain the current health plan, fielding a ton of questions from anxious constituents. >> most of them asked constructive questions about the proposed bill about how to solve

the problems. >> he admitted that he did not read every bill, that was what his aides are for and that he possibly has not read this one. disappointing. bill: he will only support legislation that lowers health care costs. but at least he had the bravery to stand up to the constituents and answer their questions. two-thirds of your lawmakers are not. five minutes past the hour, meghan has a look at another town hall meeting. megyn: barney frank, facing a tough crowd in massachusetts. a crowd of 500 people that started off asking questions about health care, but it did not end there. >> i thought that you were

thoughtful people trying to have a conversation. having a thoughtful conversation with you would be like arguing with a dining room table. >> i will have to deal with this for the rest of my life. i will have to pay for this. >> de [unintelligible] [yelling] megyn: this is massachusetts, one of the most liberal states in the country. what were the highlights, melanie? >> i want to clarify, when the congressman asked what planet do you live on, i was speaking to fox's griff jenkins, he said that he was speaking to a man with a hitler poster -- obama poster with a hit the remote -- that the mustache. -- hitler mustache.

barney frank seemed to enjoy confronting the hecklers, here is more of what he had to say. >> if we had not gone into the war in iraq, we would have to add more than enough money to pay for health care. [applause] >> again, most of the questions came from those who oppose health care reform, but there were others. >> what was on the mind of the crowd last night? >> we continue to hear questions and concerns on anger and outrage over spending by the government, questions about whether this means higher taxes. barney frank brought up iraq several times, which was interesting because not a lot of democratic lawmakers have gone there to defend the cost, worries that it might mean the end of private insurance and

concerns about whether the legal immigrants would be covered. megyn: you have got to give the ones that have gone out their credit. people like the senate majority leader, harry reid. god forbid you would have to see the voters face to face. that is scary. bill: nothing like a good old- fashioned conference call to drive your point home. and i think that the one question that we get more than any other from viewers is that if they are pushing for it this way in congress, will they live by it? megyn: do you know the second question? how does bill tai such a perfect tied?

bill: spot on. my neighbor has been asking this for months, if the plan is so great, why not sign up for yourself? megyn: a reality television star, bay on a popular series. she is a bikini model. now she is dead and he is on the run. profile comes from the reality television web site. cops believe he might be the killer. bill: the largest identity theft in history. the number of victims could total more than one-third of the entire u.s. population. how can you defend yourself from line attacks that are this significant? -- from of attacks that are this significance -- from online attacks that are this significant ?

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megyn: we have seen some heroic and less than heroic behavior, our lawmakers on this health care reform debate. but the first to win our congressmen of the day contest, dan boren. he has promised what others in his party will not. as a fiscal conservative, he does not support creating a government-run insurance option, but he has promised his constituents that if the health care reform bill passes in congress, he will sign up for it. bill: nicely done. all those folks sending your e- mails, now you have your answer. you got one.

534 more to go. we will count them down. the feds are calling this the biggest credit-card highs in the history of the world. this is albert gonzales, a miami-based hacker under arrest, he played a critical role in the latest data breach that has affected millions. the justice department saying that he and two other men rid of more than 130 million card members. how do you protect yourself? the vice president and general manager of cyber security is with us. how're you doing, sir? >> fine, how are you? bill: stunned, frankly. these numbers, it is incredible what they can do with technology today. they are doing it at a rate that is 100% more than two years ago. how do we protect ourselves?

>> this is a perfect example of how we are all factors in the internet, just by touching it. bill: you are saying that when we are on the internet, using your words, you are a victim and a target? is keeping an eye on your savings good enough? is it no longer that easy? >> like locking your house and car, you can make yourself less susceptible. you cannot make yourself totally safe, but you can make yourself less of a target by using regular commercial software using passwords, not opening e- mail, attachments from people you do not know, all kinds of things. bill: it is almost impossible to

avoid making these transactions online. you have got to enter passwords, use security numbers. but with these guys are doing is insidious -- they would mine the data, penetrate a big company, waiting for the information to come through -- and you know what they would do? they would sell your personal profile for $10. that is it. >> this is a perfect example of how this not only affects the government, the military, large organizations, and again there are basic things that we can do. we can also demand basic things of the institutions and our government with regard to protecting our identity. bill: how would you do that? >> we need standards, much like we have in other critical infrastructure, saying that this is how things are protected as a standard, even the playing field

across the board. it is impossible to make things absolutely impenetrable, but there are many things that we can do to reduce vulnerability and the likelihood of getting our identity stolen and our assets taken over. bill: you have given us a few examples so far, but what about companies themselves? are they doing enough? >> a good question, i think that the company's in cyberspace have the same problems plaguing them. what responsibility does the industry have? what is the accountability of our citizenry? those questions permeate many of our discussions, and those same discussions need to be applied to cyberspace. bill: we have this health care debate out there right now, now we are going to handed over to those folks in washington to

protect our information? i am slightly dubious, but 94 coming on, this is a big story that is only going to get worse. thank you, sir. >> thank you. megyn: the search for extraterrestrial just got a big boost. more funding and new technology, speeding up the process, prompting scientists to believe that it could be less than 10 years to our first initial contact with extraterrestrials. we will show you why. bill: he was a reality television star, she was a television bikini model. now she is dead. where is he? we will find out.

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megyn: this story is bizarre. a manhunt is underway at this moment for a reality television contest and who is expected of possibly -- suspected of possibly killing a swimsuit model. police are searching for brian jenkins, currently on "meghan wants a millionaire" -- no relation. he is competing to win a trophy wife. some girl that wants to marry him because he has millions of dollars in net worth. now his real-life friend, a 28-

year-old model, has been found murdered. police are looking for him. bob is with our fox affiliate in los angeles, outside of the police station in california. how was this person killed? is there any doubt that it is murder? why are they looking for jenkins? >> they know that it is murder. she was found strangled, her body was discovered in a dumpster here in buena park. someone was looking for recyclables in a dumpster and found her naked body dumped in a suitcase. if you hours later, brian jenkins was in a police station reporting her missing. they reportedly shared an apartment together in west hollywood, he had driven down last friday -- the day before

she was to drive down to san diego to go to a poker game. the last of we heard from brian j. givens was saturday night when he went -- ryan jenkins was saturday night before she went missing. we are hearing that they could possibly be married, that they met in march right after the show ended taping or he had been kicked off. he met her in a strip club in las vegas, where she had worked. there are stories that a few days after that they were married. no confirmation from the police at this point. brian jenkins is still a person of interest, he could be back to his native canada. he was apparently some big hotshot real-estate guy up there. megyn: he called to report her missing, but nonetheless he took off and he is a person of interest. is that why he has become

suspicious to them? >> exactly. apparently they have a very long time relationship. the last person scene with her. they reported her missing several hours after her body was found. incidentally, when her body was found they did not know that it was heard. an autopsy revealed that it was her, that she was strangled. megyn: this is so bizarre. i know that you have been contacting his representatives. we are waiting to hear from the police on this. as soon as we have that information, we will bring it to our viewers. thank you. bill: absolutely. something that smells, dissension is blowing by the day. megyn: we have actually been watching this show on vh1, the series is airing right now.

the woman's starring in the show, she had that fight with sharon osborn. remember, sharon osborn pulled out her weave? we did it on "kelly's court." i said that it was unbelievable. here she is. she is the one that had the fight with sharon osborn, the ones starring in the series, and at this point in the series she is seriously considering this guy, ryan, who has suddenly had his profile taken down from the vh1 web site. bill: 26 minutes after the hour, there is a piece of tape i would like to see again -- that "kelly's court." megyn: unbe-weave-able? [laughter] bill: hear a harsh prediction on federal spending from warren

buffett. megyn: it looks like all-out war inside of the democratic party after president obama sends mixed signals on whether or not he will assist in the government run insurance option. truth? of lies'? video tape, right after the break.

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bill: 9:31, watching the big board, stocks are selling to day like yesterday, down at the open, we have been trading for like 60 seconds, literally. the billionaire businessman, warren buffett, with a harsh warning in "the new york times. he warns that the u.s. faces dramatic consequences if we keep spending more than we take in. "with government expenditures running > receipts, truly major

changes in both taxes and outlays will be required. a revived economy cannot come close to bridging that sort of gap. we do not want our country to evolve into a banana republic." this is a great read. megyn: the obama administration swears that they have not flip- flop on the importance of having a government-run option in the health care reform bill. critics said the president used to maintain that a public option is essential, but he is softening that message now, personally and through his aides. we report, you decide. bill: any plan that i sign must include an insurance exchange, the market place where you can compare the benefits, costs, and track record of a variety of

plans, including a public option to keep insurance companies on this. >> the public option, whether we have it or do not have it, is not the entirety of health care reform. this is just one aspect of it. >> it is not an essential all -- essential element. >> not a deal breaker? >> sunday must have been a slow news day. here is the bottom line. absolutely nothing has changed. megyn: it has not? has the administration flip- flop or nped or not? joining us is a professor of advanced political studies and a republican consultant. this morning, panel. >> good morning.

megyn: ladies first today. is this a flip-flop? >> absolutely. it is very easy to say that universal health care is easy to talk about, but it is difficult to do. in the obama administration they wrote the script to a beautiful movie, now they have to make the movie and it is hard. the bottom line is hubris, they underestimated the american electorate. they overestimated their own savin s. from a political standpoint, look at the way that they are moving around, you cannot follow it. they never really had a plan, it was never bulletproof, we were never told how we would pay for it. we have message diarrhea. megyn: on the other hand, robert gibbs came out yesterday, saying

that we are so consistent that it is boring. but we would never flip-flop on this. do you agree? >> they lost control of this message, it happened when the president was overseas. look, there are two things that matter as far as the left is concerned. one, our quest for the right to universal health care. second, putting into place something to prevent the insurance companies from gouging us. the only way to do that is to put out a competitive plan that makes these dogs -- finally -- megyn: now you sound like the old president obama, that that is the old -- that is the whole point of health care reform. are they beginning on the message?

-- weakening on the message? >> the politics are the there are not 60 votes in the senate, as envisioned by the original health care bills. there are co-ops, and then there are co-ops. if there are 50 individual co- ops, they cannot compete. here is an idea, how about a national cooperative they can compete and then maybe you can bring the rates down? megyn: that does not seem to be appeasing the left wing of the democratic party. it seems that the president, after kathleen sebelius came out to say that it is not essential, and after the president's made those remarks this past saturday, they reversed again, they said they didn't mean it, because the liberal wing of the democratic party is very upset. bob is right, could these co-ops

satisfy that wing? >> i do not think so. the only way dissatisfied them is to read public option. insurance companies are letting the administration believe them around because they want to be able to sign of these uninsured people. -- sign up these uninsured people. if the administration continues to turn a deaf ear to the american electorate, saying that they will jam this through, obama has real problems. he can either run away from this thing and hope that everyone forgets it, or he can take some of this republic a language and say that that 18 million on medicaid could be the public option. just like bill clinton did in the past. megyn: the president came out, he and his aides, saying that there was no flip-flop and that they were saying the same thing

all the time. clearly we have shown that they have not. the same thing on aarp, single payer, but cetera is he losing credibility in this debate? >> the democratic party is so big that you cannot pass a week cooperative bill because it will be voted against, but you cannot pass a public option because the moderates will vote against it. the only way to get this is to convince people that a cooperative is a public plan. >> you are not convincing anyone. >> have they changed their message? yes, because the republicans have gone into the tank with the insurance companies. >> nice talking point. >> republicans have been in with the insurance companies for years. >> no one buys that. >> they are not buying pre-

existing condition? they do not think that people should be insured? >> this is what happens when you put no one with real and sharon -- real experience in the white house. you should know better, bob. you should have learned from the mistakes of the clintons. that would have been an easy lesson. instead barack obama and this administration have underestimated the american people. they tried to jam it through, rohm emmanuel style, and they did not listen. >> those people are not afraid of the insurance problem right now, which is a part of the problem. megyn: i have got to cover the war now. thank you for coming on. bill: health care reform, there was a poll yesterday showing that there was a public option -- we identify the poll, it was

from mcclatchy. numbers are the same. our bad, yesterday. breaking news out of baghdad, iraqi security forces have just defused another massive truck bomb. another attack in central baghdad was enormous. 75 dead, 300 wounded, hitting government buildings just hours ago. david is near the scene. >> over my left shoulder is the foreign ministry. a truck bomb managed to get through security their earlier today, bringing down the front of the building. scores of dead, five more explosions across the city. security is still very intense. there is also another truck bomb in the vicinity of the are trying to diffuse right now. the situation is ongoing. bill: in that part of baghdad,

are the iraqis in control? are they the sole responsibility there? >> yes, it is the most fortified and security conscious area of baghdad. very difficult to get through, even with very important passes. there does seem to be a security collapse over the last few hours, as they were able to get one truck bomb right up to the foreign ministry. many questions need be answered now. bill: we will follow that route the day here on the fox news channel. developing out -- we will follow that throughout the day here on the fox news channel. developing right now. megyn: the mayor of milwaukee, defending a young child from a pipe-wielding attacker, and we have new developments on his condition now. bill: do you see that?

that is a cell phone power after a twister came to town. megyn: sounds like science fiction, but legitimate and credible experts say that we could be less than 10 years away from making contact with extraterrestrials. bill: that would be a headline, but did not? that would be a huge fox news alert. with us now, e.t. megyn: next! we're out here looking at bones

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>> an unidentified radio source from deep space that cannot be confirmed or denied. >> what ever it is, it is not local. >> position? >> a breach of national

security. >> this is a person to person call. >> an announcement. >> we need to militarize the project immediately. >> there is no reason to believe that they are hostile. >> why do they not speak english? >> our belief is that this message contains instructions for transport. bill: keep going. 1999, "contact," decent film, a good movie. we are here to report that the search for aliens has received a boost. say hello to my little friend. this powerful new device, some scientists say that it will help us to establish contact with the unknown in only 10 years. that search for extraterrestrial intelligence, chuck is a member of the search group, an author

of the book "confessions of an alien hunter. why do we think that there is life out there? >> it is a numbers game, in the end. thanks to the work of astronomers that stay up late at night, we know that there are at least almost $1 trillion planets in our galaxy, as well as 100 billion more. this is the only planet where anything interesting is happening? that would make us a special beyond imagining. bill: just say one trillion. [laughter] many votes are sick of that number. kidding. you have more and more tools at your disposal that can move deeper and deeper into space. tell me about them. >> paul allen has given money generously to get this program started in northern california, and you can go up there, it is just a big field at the moment,

42 fairly small antennas. the idea is to build a couple of hundred of them. the real point is that this instrument will speed up the search, giving us time to do with jodie foster did, trying to pick up the signal that comes from some other network. bill: now i am intrigued. are you emitting signals from the satellite dishes? >> we leave that to you guys. we are not broadcasting, we are just listening. they could be hundreds or thousands of light years away. a long distance. if you broadcast an inquiry trying to get their attention, you might need to have a lot of patients before getting a response. the universe has been a year long time, it's possible that societies have been broadcasting. let's listen first. bill: how about this, what if we

find something? >> everyone wants to know the answer to that question. they think that the answer is that the fed would swoop down on the telescope and shut it all down to keep the news from the public, but we could handle the news. one-third of americans think that america -- aliens are real. what really will happen is that are immediately the media will get top of the story and everyone it knows about it. bill: thank you for coming on today. good luck with the project. megyn: these guys run for the tornado when it hits, what did they see? bill: democratic congressman said that he would vote on the

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bill: so often these tornadoes hit in the dark of night, but in taxes this one was caught in broad daylight on cell phone video. >> it is finishing. bill: that was just a part of it. people in a local shopping center were caught by surprise. that is when they ran for cover.

>> a lot of people in the drive- through ran around into the building, parking their cars. there was a big cloud over the wal-mart. it could have been really bad. bill: beaumont, texas. no deaths, 10 minor injuries. megyn: this so-called cap and trade bill, could it mean higher prices for you in the grocery aisle? congress says that you had better believe it. it faces serious hurdles in the senate and in the heartland. steve, cap and trade has been given the cold shoulder by farmers. why? >> it will increase the cost of their around doing business. on average they believe that it will add about $35 per acre in

production. multiplied that by the typical size of the farmers these days, it could be above 10,000 for a farmer. these folks operate in fairly thin margins. megyn: the agriculture secretary says that he thinks that this will be good for farmers. what is his argument? >> initially he came here to talk about forming tissues, and he said that this could be a boon to farmers if they sell carving credit. and this means they have to plant trees or commit to a low till farming. that has not gone over in terms of soothing the fears of farmers. megyn: one of the most interesting things you have seen there? >> the largest bull is right over here, it is like a volkswagen.

megyn: show us! we will come back in the 10:00 hour. we will. >> all right. megyn: steve brown, thank you. bill: get a picture on your phone. thank you, steve. there is a new poll out about the obama approval rating. just ahead, what changes could it mean for the health care push by the white house? megyn: look at this. she fought the law and the law long. or did it? a mother, tasered right in front of her children. does it indicate who is at fault? stay tuned for "kelly's court." ♪

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[captioning made possible by fox news channel] captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org-- megyn: another split in the president's approval rating, down to the lowest ever at 52% with respect to this president. this on the heels of what could be a health care meltdown on capitol hill. this after reports that the white house might be changing its message. good morning, everyone. bill: good morning. the commander in chief is said to speak with religious leaders on reforming insurance. our report suggests that the president will be taking a moral tone to reach out with a message. megyn: how do they do that? how do they change it to something more moral? >> the white house and the president have said, a couple of

times, that moral imperative is one of the reasons he is for health care reform, that it is immoral -- the candidate said this many times -- so many americans are kicked off of health insurance or lack health insurance when they really needed. the these companies will kick them off for any variety of issues. the idea that the president would put this in a moral context is not new. it is a fact. it is simply that at times like this when people are looking for shifts in the health care policy, many of the things that the president says about health care reform are scrutinized. today the audience is in the religious community, with the white house hopes will join the cause. that is the new dimension, trying to elicit new support. the white house could use all of

the held that it can get. megyn: harry reid is now referring to those who oppose health care reform as evil mongers, bringing it into a moral category. in the meantime, we have been watching these actions emerged on capitol hill. the left-wing opened -- upset owith the president. democrats in the say it -- senate saying that he has no choice. now we are hearing from democrats that the white house and the democrats might go it alone. what does that mean? what can they get through a loan? >> as the cliche goes, this remains to be seen. senior white house officials are reported as saying that republicans are not going to

help, we might have to go alone. of course, that has always been true of this white house. i have had comments from senior officials for months. if the white house cannot get a bipartisan compromise in the senate that cannot be accepted by house democrats, they might have to resort to a new strategy in the senate. the white house will be dealing with the consternation of liberals amongst the coalition, the government finance part of health care reform might be less than a priority from three months ago. republicans and not playing ball? they would get this through on their own vote. megyn: to those who have been working on a bipartisan basis in the senate, the message might be that we do not need you and we will do it on your own. >> i want to tell you, mike emanuel is in the morning briefing with robert gibbs right

now. he is telling reporters at this very moment that the president is still open to bipartisan compromise and that it is up to republicans to come to the table. robert gibbs, of trying to downplay the go it alone strategy right now. clearly, one thing that the white house can do and has given serious consideration to. bill: on the inside and outside, we have it covered. some in congress seem to be doing their best to avoid confrontation on health care. some of them. >> [angry chanting] bill: no surprise, after watching federal lawmakers struggling, but lawmakers are choosing not to hold debates on reform. 323 house members have no plans to hold a public meeting.

35 senators have the same plant. now we are getting reports that some of those people are suddenly going to play that song by neil diamond. we will rock out. megyn: one of bill's favorite. >> yes. you know why? every year when we went to florida we had to listen to neil diamond. i know every word to every cell he has written. megyn: [laughter] good times. more of that, coming up. one perfect example of these town halls, here is an oklahoma democrat. >> [angry yelling] megyn: hosting a health care debate in his home state, there was a showing of opposition.

we are against -- >> we are against the government taking over the health care system. my husband is a 20-year vietnam war veteran. we have good health insurance, but there was a lot of blood, sweat, tears that went into that. we are not astroturf. megyn: that message was for nancy pelosi, the lady who called these folks astroturf. warren buffett got several rounds of applause, but most of all he took the shocking measure

of announcing to the crowd that he himself would use the government option if it passed. who else has said that? bill: one missing mother, christie cornwell, a 38-year-old that disappeared from players will, ga., after talking to her boyfriend -- blairsville, ga., after talking to her boyfriend a police have not been able to get anywhere. >> state investigators say that they are scaling back their ground search, although yesterday evening they did an intense search of the field where her cell phone was found about half a mile from where i am standing. one of the things that they think is that possibly whoever took her could have just wound up on this state road.

they are really trying to find any piece of evidence that they can. bill: i know that you spoke to the family a few moments ago, do they have any sense of what happened? >> i just spoke to the grandmother, the ex-mother and law. she said that when she was a probation officer, she was involved in different ways, drugs, which resulted in their way of going back to prison. she said that even still, her training and self-defense training, they are hoping it will lead to their safe return. bill: indeed. eight days on that story so far. thank you. in a moment, police used a taser

on a mother in front of her children. does she have a case? we would get to that in "kelly's court." megyn: wait until you hear the alleged crime that she allegedly committed? in the meantime, he says he does not care how his constituents feel. he is going to vote his conscience. so, do you think that made people angry? he is here live. bill: also, under investigation in manslaughter for the debt -- death of michael jackson, wait until you hear what he said and how he did it.

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bill: you can bet that our extreme weather center is watching this hurricane bill. after the first of the season, now a category four storm, some say that it could be a category five very soon. most believe that he will not make landfall in the u.s.. that is the good news. forecasters say that folks in the northeast should expect strong winds over the next few days and into the weekend, especially around long island, new york, cape cod, be on the lookout. bill could be coming your way. megyn: a democratic congressman, eric, has held 47 downhauls since january. is it for nothing? he raised eyebrows this weekend after telling a group of loggers that he will vote however he

wants on health care reform bill, no matter what the constituents want. >> i will vote for a single payer system. megyn: that made a lot of people angry. the congressman is not backing down, he joins me live now. good morning, congressman. >> good morning. megyn: do you stand by those comments? >> of course. i will always cast a vote in the interest of helping my constituents. the interest in my district, they all want me to vote for

3200. for over one month i have been clear that as it is written, i cannot support this bill. i will not back down from that, no matter how many people want me to vote for it. i have read this four times, and i have real problems with that the legislation. that group of people was very angry with me. but we need to be deficit neutral, like we said we would be. until we can resolve some of those problems, i will not weathervane an opinion. as i said, what is good for my constituents. i will not back off. megyn: you sound like a republican, but your main objection is that it is not a single payer. you wanted to go even further, correct? you want it to be government run health care for everyone? >> the president has said that we will never get to single

payer. single payer save my life, i am a cancer survivor. i believe that that will work. but we will never get there. i do not want to do something that will break down what we have in the system that is good. that is why i am concerned about the bill. i will always vote for things that i think will help my constituents, regardless of how many people wanted to vote for something else. megyn: even if your entire constituency says the day this agree with you? we have a lot of people on the other side, people of set the their congress people aren't going to vote for the bill and they do not want them to. so, they object to this attitude because they feel that they put you in congress and you are only there because they voted you in and i want to listen to. >> let me get this straight. i have had 47 town hall

meetings, listening for a few hours at each one, and i am not voting for it and people are angry? i am sorry. i will hold the line regardless on new pressures me. it is more important to get it right rather than fast. you want your member of congress to be delivered, not sticking their fingers in the wind to find out what people are saying today because tomorrow might be different. megyn: people were asking you there at the roundtable, what if you have got 95 can -- 95% of your constituents saying that we want to devote this way. you feel fine saying to you know better? >> no, because i do not. you have to listen to each constituent, even the ones that is agreed. right now the majority of my constituents want me to vote for this bill.

i am under contract -- incredible pressure to support this initiative. the devil is in the details and i will let go bad road if i think they could go against washington. my vote counts. megyn: what makes you so holier than thou? out how you respond to that? >> anyone who thinks that i am holier than thou or am not deferring, they should come to one of my 47 town hall meetings. they are telling me not to vote for this. megyn: that is now which he said. you said that your people are telling you to vote for it. >> a 65% poll. but the people in my town hall meetings are being listened to. let me repeat, i have stood in

opposition to this legislation. i do not know how much clearer you can understand that. megyn: it is a question of standing on the bill as opposed to what the people want. >> let me ask you this. should we take a poll every time that there is an issue and do it week to week to see how things are in a weather vane? a member of congress should read the legislation, understand process, make themselves as available as possible, and cast a vote that they think will help their constituents? my model in this is ronald reagan. his " hangs in my office, saying that we must have the courage to do what we know is morally right. that is why i am listening to my constituents. megyn: thank you for coming on. we appreciate your coming out today.

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right at around 10:00 in the evening, lightning storm and thunder came ripping through new york. you should see some of these still pictures from new york. lightning bolt for the above skyscrapers, it was phenomenal. lots of news reports generated by this story. we will show you some amazing still photos from a bit of a rare storm, strong lighting bolts coming through manhattan. megyn: it was exciting. the thunder was so loud. you should have seen my four little dog. she was trembling. it was impossible to drown out the noise. michael jackson's personal physician is speaking out for the first time since the singer's death. dr. conrad murray is the target of a manslaughter investigation, thinking his family and friends

for their support. >> as you know, thinking people personally is not normal for me. this message has given me strength and courage, kept me going. they need the world to me -- they mean the world to me. as long as i keep got in my heart, i will be fine. i have done all that i can do. i told the truth. i have faith that the truth will prevail. megyn: in the video he acknowledges that the message is the only way for him to respond to those who have reached out to him, as he is afraid to return e-mails and phone calls, probably a wise thing given that he is under investigation at the moment. they believe that this man delivered a fatal dose of drugs to michael jackson shortly before he died. bill: interesting indeed.

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megyn: yet another tragedy at the happiest place on earth. a performer at the walt disney world indiana jones ethics stunt spectacular hit his head and died a short time later. he is the third employee to die at the theme park this summer. now a federal investigation is under way. we have the details live from miami. first, how did the others died? is there any indication that these deaths are connected? >> if there is a common thread or if these are just three comment -- three tragic accidents, that is exactly what investigators are looking into. osha is on the scene here now.

the most current data involved a stage actor in the "indiana jones" stun show. flying through the air, talking and rolling, doctors say that he had his neck and that is how he died. before that an actor had died after slipping into a wet spot and slamming on the wall. before that, the monorail driver died when the monorail crash. if there is a common thread by these investigators, they will link it into a common investigation. megyn: how common are these investigations at disney? >> there were not, for five years, they launched separate investigations. however, between 2007 and today there have been 17 that investigation launched by them.

sometimes disney was found to be in violation, other times there was none whatsoever. megyn: what was the position of disney? >> that there is no connection. these are three, separate and tragic accidents, reminding -- reminding everyone here, the spokesperson on the phone said that safety is a core principle and that 60,000 actors are there every day. they bring in a tourist population that is the equivalent of reno, nevada. that with those many -- that many people, something that happened. megyn: those kinds of acrobatics are inherently dangerous. we will see how it plays out. thank you. bill: so bizarre. let's come back to the health- care debate. we have seen washington slugging it out for some time.

the concerns of real americans can get lost in the shuffle. frank luntz is giving employees a new book, it is called "what americans really want." how are you doing, frankie? good morning. we are about to see three different pieces of tape. the first two deal directly with health care reform. what should we be watching for? >> the dial. the higher that the lines climb, the very favorable reaction is. new will see some big split and that is how people are feeling right now. >> if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. if you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan. you will not be waiting in any

line. this is not about the government being in charge of your health insurance. i do not think that anyone should be in charge of your health care decisions except you and your doctor. i do not think that government bureaucrats should be meddling, but i also do not think that insurance bureaucrats should be meddling. [applause] >> it started to split -- the reason why? half of americans have lost faith and confidence that this administration is going to provide health care reform that actually does what the president promises it will do. bill: looks like when he talked about not waiting in lines, that is where the separation occurs. >> because they do not believe it. country after country has made these kinds of changes. while people have been covered, while universal coverage does take place, it changes the

quality for everyone else. bill: this videotape is getting a lot of attention. it sets out the parameters for health-care reform. this goes to how effective the united states government has been, he made a comment about the post office. let's roll the tape. >> if you think about, ups and fedex are doing just fine. they are. it is the post office that always has problems. so, right now you have got private insurers out there competing effectively, even though a lot of people get their care through medicaid or medicare. there is nothing inevitable in

this somehow destroying the private market place as long as it is not set up where the government is basically being subsidized by the taxpayers, so even if they are not providing a good deal, we keep having to hand out more money. >> i want you to think about what he just said. he is comparing the post office to press -- private industry. so, he is actually saying that the post office is the one with the problem. if they cannot deliver your mail, how will they deliver health care? bill: it was like he said it, people or that just in the information -- people were digesting that information. >> exactly. sometimes there is an instantaneous reaction. this is a case where they were thinking that he said what? it took a while. when we listen to the focus

group after words, they were very angry. suddenly they understood the context. i do not believe that is a phrase that you will ever hear him using again. bill: they did ask about that yesterday, robert gibbs said that he would not take it back. the focus for this particular piece of tape is about big government, or more in their lives. roll this. >> who do you dislike or distrust more? the government or the insurance companies? more than half for the government? insurance companies? a fair number. >> the insurance companies controlled the government. they sit in and decide what happens. >> we bail out aig, they created the mortgage problem. >> the government oversees the health-care industry, who will

oversee the government? itself? i do not think so. >> once the government is in there, you cannot get it out. >> medicare is bankrupt. >> it is far better to be on either side. calling for unmitigated insurance company involvement, the public says no way. here is the question. if you do not like the insurance companies, are you going to like the addition of a government bureaucrat? that is the question that the american people are asking. the younger people still want health care reform? the more that they work with the plan, the more it is in the details. bill: this goes back to the auto bailouts, one guy mention aig. health care, people saying hang

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we will ask him to look into his crystal ball. megyn: kelly -- "kelly's court" is back in session. one mother, yanked from a minivan and a tasered on the ground before her children. watch this, this is before christmas in syracuse, new york. the police officer says that she was speaking on a cell phone, she said she was not. she demands to see the tape. he says he will not. then she is kissing the pavement been tasered twice. prosecutors dropped all charges, but now she is suing for false arrest and police brutality. does she share some of the blame? let's ask our panel. good morning, and all.

>> a good morning. megyn: it is quite something to see mom getting tasered twice outside of syracuse. >> nothing says violence like a minivan. ta[laughter] megyn: it is kind of sketchy, she gets out of a car, which you are now supposed to do, demanding to see the tape. that is where things go south. >> i do not feel average or frustration. when will people learn that you do not fight with cops on the street? i do not care how unjust or kafka as the original charges -- kafka-ask the original charge is.

whether the stopper was justified or not, he started walking back to the car to write her a ticket. she then engages in an act of aggression, getting out of the car in the middle of a traffic stop. this woman is a bus driver for a living, she knows this. he gave her a chance, give back in your car. let me just tell the viewers. megyn: it is confusing. he says get back in the car, get back in the car. she will not. she finally does. now he says get out of the car because i will rescue. he then yanks her out and comes the tasering. she did disobey the officer. does that justify his behavior? >> absolutely not. we disagree, again, because the day ends in y.

i agree with her on one point. for sure, she should not have held court on the roadway. at the risk of decreasing my criminal defense business, i am telling your viewers not to get in the face of the officer and argue with them. what do you expect a cut to say, you are right? i was wrong? -- what do you expect the police officer to say? you are right? i was wrong? but an act of aggression? tasering came about as an alternative to violence police force. we have had 290 deaths because of these since 2001, there is a downside to using a taser is. in this case, he had no good reason to rest. megyn: the behavior of the police was a bit sketchy, not only in that she claimed to be speaking on her cell phone,

suddenly she -- suddenly the story switched because it was 50 in a 45? >> i agree. mccotter might have had issues. but i repeat, take it up in court. market makes an interesting point, he should have put her in handcuffs. here is the million-dollar question. how is he going to put her in had bought -- handcuffs? slam her head? headlock? is it better to use a taser are put his hands on her? what should she do? >> i will answer that. i am the one that advocated shooting the granny in kelly's court who, when the officer tried, she fled, through our around her arms, got into traffic, jeopardize in the life of the officer. -- jeopardizing the lives of

the officer and her around. but this officer, like so many, they are using the tasered because they believe that the person is not complying. megyn: not to say that julianna is wrong. look at the first one, he goes over there and against her out of the car. what is she being arrested for, because she gave him a little bit? -- lip? >> she did first tried to put his hands on her, what did she do? hands were placed on and resistance occurred. i consider myself a bit of a defiant individuals. if a cop lays his hands on me, i guess what? i am getting out of a car.

he had to gain control. that is what he did. bill: first, i will take 10% off representing you if you ever get in trouble. second of all, apparently he arrested her for disorderly conduct because the vehicle obstructed the roadway? there was no traffic. it is bogus. the prosecutor threw it out, god bless him. megyn: exactly. we will see how it plays out. always a pleasure. one final word for our viewers, this woman broke a cardinal rule -- do not talk back to the cops. do what you are told when you are pulled over. take it up later if you are upset. having said that, this office are clearly overreacted. police have every right to fear for their -- fear for their safety, but they must understand that we fear for our own as well. bill: take your lumps, take it

up with the judge. megyn: taken up later. we have a big update and a reason "kelly's court." when can people call you names in print and get away with it? a big ruling in the case of the super model and the vicious anonymous lager. -- blogger. bill: why are so many car dealerships unhappy right now? .

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bill: because you asked. today's question is from joe in indianapolis. he says -- stu varney has been shopping for a deal for his wife, his 17 children. apparently there are some headaches in the system and from what i find out, dealers are not happy because there are on the hook for million dollars. >> the national auto dealers' association said that they have taken in the clunkers but are waiting for the cash. the washington post looked at the state of maryland and over 300 dealers are owed $36 million collectively. so far they have only received only 2% of that. the dealers have this clunker on

their lot and they have to deal with it. they have to deal with all the paperwork and essentially they have passed on a new car, they have made a loan on that new car and they have not yet been paid by the government. another example of big government program not working as efficiently as it was supposed to. bill: initially they had a four- month deadline. then they go back to congress to get more money. do we know if these dealerships have sold more than $3 billion in cash for clunkers? >> we do not know for a fact. a lot of them are slowing down the program because they are waiting so long to get the run -- the money and they do not know if the money will run out before they get these deals. so they're putting a brake on the process right now. bill: you said something about

the washington post. in maryland alone, $36 million? >> 325 dealers are owed $36 million collectively. they have received 2% of the claim that they have put in for. bill: let's hope the checks pass. by the way, the highway traffic administration is hiring 1100 more employees to make sure that this product gets through. see you later. you want a question you want answered? hemmer@foxnews.com. megyn: we have brand new information coming in from the national hurricane center on the strength and track of hurricane bill. it is getting very big and

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