a free-market and sir, not a government answer. the news continues -- a free market cancer, not a government answer. -- a free-market answer. greta: they have got the house. they have got the senate, and they have got the white house. the democrats ramming through health care without working with republicans? senator chuck grassley and or a patch. do they have the power to stop what most do not want -- senator chuck grassley and senator hatch. and one person says he is for health care reform but there is to say that he is just not 41 president obama once. yes, he disagrees with the present -- he is just not for the one that president wants. ççwe have a report -- he disas

with the president. and is rush leaving the air waves of conservative talk? what could do that? the temptation of a tv show? rush tell as you all of that. but first, they still one answer is -- rush tells you all of that. >> we are scared because we do not know what is really going on, what is really happening. >> the cadillac of health care. i also have tricare for life. i want universal health care for every person. >> aarp. for everyone. they are not supporting the government option. greta: voters want answers on

health care. what they do not want is for the democrats to go it alone. now, according to one poll,ç 5% not approve a health-care plan if it is not bipartisan, but will the democrats go it alone anyway? shutting republicans out of the health-care debate? the gop is not thought to cooperate on health-care reform. "the times" is quoting them as saying they have made strategic decisions that is more important to their political goals. in a press briefing today, white house press secretary robert gibbs called back from the report. >> we are focused -- pulled back from the report. >> we are focused. the president again met with senator baucus, and they

discussed the progress being finance committee. that is our focus. greta: a bipartisan group of senators working for a deal in the senate on a health-care bill, and according to "the times," criticism from senator reaching a bipartisan deal. is that true? senator grassley joins us. is there little hope of a bipartisan deal, sir? >> i have not given up yet, and i have not said anything new since we adjourned before the summer break that i have been saying for the last three months, so for the white house to draw any conclusions other than what i told the president right to his face, and i have said a couple of things that are very important, and i have said it before. i have told him that, number

one, it would really help get bipartisanship if he would make a statement that he would sign a bill that did not have the public option or what some of us call him a government-çrun hea@ it, and the second one -- what some of us call a government-run health plan in it, and on the second one, i answered the same way i have been telling a lot of people for would not go along because that is not bipartisan. what you have to have when you are changing 1/6 of our u.s. economy, and when you are dealing with health care because that is an issue affecting every american citizen, that has to be done with lots of democrats and a lot of republicans, and that is by partisanship, and it is my responsibility to do something that would get broad support

among republicans, and if senator baucus -- it is senator baucus'çç job to get support g democrats. greta: what did he say to the no public option? >> i bet you know what he said. he did not answer me. we have the secretary of hhs saying, ms. kathleen sebelius, that maybe the public option is not so important, and then the next day, the white house showed regret about that, and they backed off. so they run up a trial balloon, and then we find out it was like tapping the exclusion. it will to let the white house might go for it -- like tapping -- c apping the exclusion -- like capping the exclusion.

we do not know where the president stands. greta: when you put the other to him, what did he say? >> he expressed appreciation about working togetherç and ho, you know, itç is politically sensitive, but there was not really anything definitive in the statement. greta: all right, at 9:00 p.m. tomorrow night, you as part of the finance committee have a teleconference, is that right, which the other members of the so-called gang of six media with the other members -- with the other members of the so-called gang of six? >> yes. greta: what is the most important issue? tomorrow night at 9:00 p.m., what do you expect to put on the table? >> it is not that easy, greta.

i think we will have a discussion with the six of us about what we are learning from the town hall meetings, because there is strong feelings that you have seen expressed at the town hall meetings, and there is going to be some analysis of that, whether that affects the situation, and then, i would expend some negotiation and talking on some minor issues, -- i would expect some negotiation and talking on some minor will not be possible tomorrow night, but we will be talking, as we have -- but moving along a lot will not be possible tomorrow night. we are still going to have a commitment to continue to talk, but he knows? -- who knows? , august could make a big difference. when i say that -- who knows? august could make a big

difference. i hesitate to talk about it, but its democracy means anything, and you have town meetings -- its democracy means anything, you have to take that into consideration -- if democracy means anything, you have to take that into consideration or you do not have democracy. greta: 50. you just heard from the top republican from the gang of six -- thank you. that used to be the gangçç of seven until senator hatch walked away from talks last month. so what does senator hatch say now? he joins us live. good evening, senator. what is the definition of "bipartisan"? what is bipartisan to you, sir? >> well, we are talking about 1/6 of the american economy. this is a very important thing. i always look at bipartisan bills as somewhere between 75

and 80 votes, both democrats and republicans, and one reason i decided to leave the group of seven was -- well, there were a number of reasons. i do not think the democrats have given senator baucus very good flexibility to really be able to put something together. 80 of the top democrats in the house, are insisting on a government auction or a government plan. -- 80 of the top democrats in the house are insisting on a government optionçç or a government plan. i cannot agree with that. there is a job-killing part to the bill. guess who gets hurt the worst? it will be the low-income workers, or the business go overseas. let's be honest. it will kill jobs. -- the business will go overseas. some of the groups have said that as many as 190 million people, would be pushed into

medicaid, which would destroy the public insurance industry and the whole program. what they really want to get to, and that is in increments, they want to get to a single-payer system of socialized medicine. that is what the democrats are about, and i just cannot support that. greta: in talking with president obama, you have been in the senate along time, and negotiating with senator -- president clinton. what is the difference? >> i have negotiated with everybody from henry waxman to ted kennedy. i have negotiated with president clinton and president obama. i like every one of them. they have different perspectives. ççwe are trying to work toget, but when we do, when we put the hatch-waxment together -- hatch-

waxmen together, it has saved a lot of money. when we did the hatch-kennedy bill, we had a wide bipartisan support for that, and it worked amazingly well until they started pushing medicaid people into chip, again, an incremental step to get as to a single-payer system. i have to tell you, everybody in america is going to be sad. look at canada. just last week, the leading canadian woman on health care came on and said that situation is ready to implodes. -- to implode. that is a single-payer system up there. greta: let's say the democrats do have all of these votes, is this going to pass? be able

toç pass it. that overwhelming majorities in the house, and they have 60 solid votes in the senate. the only people they cannot control his the american people who are showing opposition to this. like i said, there are a lot of democrats who do not want this government plan knowing that, look. medicare is now $38 trillion that could go bankrupt. you look at the budget and the deficits and all the other things that are adding up. we are doubling the budgetary deficit, the national debt within five years, and we will triple in five years -- in 10 years. now, they want to add to this a single-payer system that, basically, is going to cost an arm and a leg and will not do the job anyway. could i say one other thing? greta: yes.

>> why would we throw out a system that 85% of americans have to and basically approval of an exchange it for 47 million people? by the way, of that 47 million people, when you deduct the ones you could have insuranceç throh çtheir employers and do not, as the 11 million that basically qualified for chip or medicaid -- or the 11 million that basically qualify for chip overmedicate and do not know they qualify for it, and then all of the illegals -- ford c chip or medicaid and do not know about it, and then all of the illegals -- greta: thank you. rush limbaugh.

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>> people do not want rationed health care, and that is my concern. >> limit the choice is that patients and doctors have. >> who in heaven's name are going to be the health commissioner's? how are they going to be picked? -- to be the health commissioners? how will they make these decisions for all of these different people in this room? greta: two questions. what is health-care rationing? joining us is steve moore, an editorial writer for "the wall street journal."

here is the senate bill. do not confuse this with the house bill. all right, in the senate bill -- >> by the way, let me say, that is not theç whole senateç bil. there are sections that are missing. the committee has not actually -- the members of the senate, the public, and the press cannot get the whole bill of it. there are probably about 300 pages missing. greta: all right. is there rationing? >> the word "rationing" is not in that bill, and it is not in this bill, and they will deny it. if you look at some of the provisions. there is this whole idea of end up live counseling and so on -- greta: -- end of life counseling and so on -- greta: what people are calling

"death panels." >> half of the cost of the health-care system, our people in the last six months of life, is hugely expensive -- our are people in the last six months of life. it is hugely expensive. teg is about this. a ranking committee member -- let me just tell you one other thing about this. greta: that is in the senate bill. the house bill does have that, as well. ok, the house does has ve that limitation. >> this would have put an end to the discussion, and the senate democrats voted it down, so that makes me think that maybe they

do what rationing even though they keep protesting that they do not. greta: and you have got the house is saying no rationing, and then you have the senate say it may be rationing -- you have got the house saying no rationing, and then you have the senate saying maybe rationing. >> there is money in here for bicycle paths and urban farmer'' markets. greta: we have a lot to talk about, so we will talk about it tomorrow. up next, president obama and a very big telephone call. çwho did he call and why? çsenator rick santorum goes on the record. and is rush limbaugh leading radio? did the first lady made a bad fashion mistake -- is rush limbaugh leaving radio? did the first lady make a bad

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strategy -- weapon strategy. >> the sab and fabrications put out there to discourage people -- these are fabrications put out there to discourage people. i am my brother's keeper, my sister's keeper. the wealthiest nation on earth, we are neglecting to live up to that call. greta: center rick santorum joins us. it is now framed as a moral issue -- senator rick santorum joins us. >> yes, they are throwing everything at this problem, and i would agree it is a moral issue. he quoted scripture duringç his talk,ç and i think there is an obligation for all of us to provide for our brothers. do not get me in trouble, greta.

but the question is, is in our obligation to provide? the catholic church has hospitals all over the country because they thought it was an obligation for them to provide it. is it really obligation for the federal government? then you are taking the obligation from the individuals and giving it to the federal government to provide care for us. and that is not, i would argue, a moral -- greta: i see most people would agree that we need to do something about our health-care system -- i think most people would agree. are they saying you are immoral because you have a different solution to the plan? that is what worries me. >> they are trying to raise this as moral high ground, and if you do not support the government takeover of health care or the president's plan -- one of the

things that they said is that abortion coverage is not in there. itç was veryç scripted. they had one girl asked about abortion, and they said that abortion is absolutely not covered. that is absolutely not true. there is nothing in there that says that abortion is absolutely not covered. it may or it may not be. the courts have been clear. they have done it with medicaid and other state bills. unless you say that abortion is not covered, and then it will be covered. they know that. one of the reasons you're seeing is anger out your is that people are looking at the reality of what is in the bills -- the reason -- one of the reasons you are seeing this anger out your -- here is that people are looking at the reality of what is in the bills. greta: the numbers in the house

and the senate, and he, himself, is a member of the same party, why does he care if it is bipartisan? >> he was going to be this transformationalç figure here n people together. he is not living up to his own image of himself, you know? no red america, blue america, just the united states of america. greta: if you are so driven to think something is right, does that not sort of supercede that? if this is so important and such a moral issue, which you not just take your legacy it -- would you not just take your legacy and say that you could not do those things? >> i do not think there is any way they can pass a purely partisan bill. there is no way that will get through there. greta: of the democrats in the senate, who is not going to vote

for it? >> the virginia senators are going to have a hard time voting for this. the arkansas senators are going to have a hard time voting for this. once you get to 60, you are including senators from not liberal states, and they are going to have a hard time. even max baucus is going to have a hard time to vote for that. is he is going to get this done in any fo@m that is realç refom in his mind, he is going to have medleys a few republicans to get this done to give democrats cover -- he is going to have at least a few republicans. greta: is it one single thing? >> you hear chuck grassley saying, "we have got to get rid of the public option." there is so much in these bills. it is so complex, and there are so many ways to skin this cat. greta: i realize it is huge.

if that were resolved, we could then be on to 50 million others. >> yes, an abortion would certainly be another thing they would have to deal with -- and abortion, would certainly be another thing. abortion's not covered in this -- and abortion would certainly be another thing. if abortions not covered in this -- this is their chance. the left has been waiting for this, a supermajority. they are not going to let this pass withoutç getting whp they want. greta: senator, thank you. >> my pleasure. greta: what about illegal immigrants? do they get health care under hr-3200? instantly, something happened that sure is not good for this

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if he had positions what he had put in "the journal" when we were not considering health care, this would have been considered radical reform. here are eight ideas asç a including toward reform, -- he are eight ideas -- here are eight ideas that might be successful that i have, including tort reform. there is a boycott webpage set up, and they are calling this, get this, greta, a right-wing zealot. greta: this is ceo of whole foods, in 2007, he said he had enough money to live comfortably, so in 2007, he cut his salary down to $1 a year,

and he donated all of the proceeds from his stock option to charity. it does not sound like this is a person to stick it to the poor. >> he is a self-described libertarian. i do not know if that was anchoring people. not only was he taking $1, but he pushed through a need-based fund for wholefoods worker. q24, this has been considered a relatively progressive company. now, he comes out and has said that the government-run plan is not good -- here to fore, this has been considered a relatively --çç heretofore, ts has been considered a relatively progressive company. >> i do not know -- greta: i do not know if his ideas are -- there is something good about

someone who sees the problem and has eight what he thinks are really good ideas. then for having to dare to differ with a particular segment, they come out and try to kill his business, a business that has employed lots of people, and from what i can read, he seems like a pretty generous guy. >> by greg blache that included how free speech may not be so free -- i wrote a plot that said how free speech may not be so free -- i road 8:00 -- i wrote a blog. let's say this is successful by the boycotters' definition. who is going to get hurt? is mackey going to be heard? no. -- going to be hurt?

no. if you do not necessarily agree with the president's plan, you might be labeled wrong or a bad person. greta: if ç18,000ç people are trying to do this, and there are so many people across the country who need jobs, i would like to have somebody come out to say, "you know, he has run a good business and has been generous. go boycott somebody who is a rat, but this is not the guy." i do not i know if i agree with him, but this makes me want to shop there. >> if you press them on this kind of an issue, they kind of song and dance because they do not like to ruffle feathers. he had the guts to come out and make a stand, offer some

suggestions, and he is being slaughtered for it. hopefully there are enough people out there right now watching that could say, "hey, maybe we do not like mackey, but --" greta: i propose to reverse boycott. coachable foods tomorrow. -- i propose a reverse boycott. go to wholefoods tomorrow. here is what is coming up tomorrow on "the factor." bill: dennis miller. greta: that is miller time. ççwe report, you decide. plus, have you seen rush limbaugh animated on air? really animated? u.l.. -- you will. we will let him explain it, because we cannot.

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the prime minister admits he will have to reevaluate his country's security. forecasters are saying that hurt a bill could grow more powerful as it passes over warmer water. -- hurricane bill could grow more powerful. there could be heavy rain and high winds. i am uma pemmaraju. now, back to "on the record." for all of your news, log on to foxnews.com. stay with us, everybody. >> we have come to a point where it is more important to give illegal immigrants, illegal immigrants health care -- illegal aliens health care. how dare you? how dare you? >> and controlling the costs. greta: will the democrats' ç health careç plan cover illegal

immigrants? jon kyl said this. >> with the schip expansion, there were efforts to ensure that only eligible people would receive funding under schip, and illegal immigrants would not be eligible. the efforts to ensure that were defeated by democrats, given the fact that illegal immigrants receive care. they go to the emergency room, unfortunately, for most of it. it is a big burden on emergency rooms. greta: can explain a little more for us about what senator kilyl was saying -- can you explain a little more? >> giving health care benefits toç illegal immigrants and workers. çin the past, democrats have blocked efforts by republicans

to build in mandatory bands on health care being given to illegal immigrants to -- mandatory bans on health care being given to illegal immigrants. greta: suggesting that illegal immigrants will get health-care coverage under this request at this point, no. there is language in the house bill that would make it so that it would not apply. in the senate, it is expected to be the same kind of thing. greta: i assume that if someone came in from a car accident, an emergency, that is in all different thing. we do take people in the emergency room. >> yes, they walk into the emergency room and get whatever care they need. greta: let's say you walk into

an undocumented worker, and you have a cold. >> you would get some kind of care. that is sort of the rubble with it. even under existing law, you're able to give some level of care -- that is sort of the rub with it. greta: this whole thing is a real hot button item, this issue with the emigrants. there has been so much on the public option, but this is going to like people on fire. >> there have already been some protesters who have raised this at some of the town halls. as a niveneh majority of people believe that there is some kind of language in the house bill -- a significant majority of people believe that there is some kind of language in the house bill. greta: people have to accept on faith, is because it is so complicated. -- people have to accept it on faith, because it is so

complicated. çç>> people get concerned immediately and are concerned there might be something in it, because no one knows what is in the bill. greta: what i do not get is why do they want to pass a bill that nobody can understand. >> especially health-care language. greta: it will come back to haunt us if just for that reason alone. thank you. up next, the best of the rest. is rush limbaugh leading radio approved switching to tv -- leaving radio? switching to tv? and remember this guy? he became famous for saying that "united breakstick cars -- united breaks guitars."

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greta: well, you have seen our top stories, but here is the best of the rest. rush limbaugh has a new gig. we told you that he is teaming up with karl rove to make an appearance on the hit show

"famlilyçç guy." >> people have been asking me, "how was it at the"the familyh guy" tapings yesterday -- taping yesterday?" and i nailed it. there is a group, following me around, tries to take over my radio show -- there is a group the -- groupie. greta: he was also talking about the aarp losing 60,000 members. >> losing 60,000 members.

that is a good start. we only have 40 million more to go. who would ever have thought that a democratic president could, çalong andç get 60,000 senior citizens to tell the aarp to go to hell? greta: what do you do if you have a smash hit song? you write another one, of course. the country singer got even with a guitar. he posted a song on youtube, and it went youtube platinum. a customer service agent done with the case. in "unuiteited breaks guitars," he tries to make amends. >> ♪ you do not think you do

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songs 3 is coming up. -- song three is coming up. and you can remember that president obama was accused of wearing "momçç jeans" to a ga and now michelle obama is getting it. -- to a game, and now, michelle obama is getting it. her critics are up in arms about it. speaking of arms, the first lady was also criticized for wearing a sleeveless down to the inaugural ball -- a sleeveless gown to the inaugural ball. still ahead, last call. britney spears talking about her political career. but maybe she should have consulted with the first lady about what to wear. she did not wear shorts, but

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greta:çç 11:00 is almost here. /flash the studio lights. britney spears decided to put on a bikini and pretended she was inside the oval office on "david letterman." >> number four -- >> america may have a more coherent fiscal strategy. >> number three -- >> put a man on the moon by the end of the decade. >> and the number one way the country would be different if britney spears were president? >> finally, somebody would pay some attention to m&a. greta