from mexico city, i'm oliver north, good night. >> julie: i'm julie banderas welcome to a brand-new hour of america's news headquarters. hurricane bill continues to churn at sea, many are wondering how dangerous the storm will be without a direct hit. we're tracking bill right here and we'll have the latest forecast. >> julie: and at a kentucky prison, medium security prison set on fire by inmates during a riot. so what caused all the chaos? >> once a prisoner and free man, he is back in libya and his president welcoming home with open arms. how is it with our relationship

with libya just as things were warming up? >> julie: hurricane bill making its way up the east coast. not expected to make landfall in the u.s. but the category two storm is creating high surf and strong rip currents all along the eastern seaboard. tropical storm warning is in effect for the state of massachusetts. domenica davis is tracking it all for us. >> yes, a category two and it's expected to pass several hundred miles to the east of cape cod. it's expected to make the closest path to the united states and then first thing tomorrow morning. it's sitting 400 miles south of nantucket and continue on the northeasterly trek for the next few days. it's going to be category one by sunday morning. winds go down to 85 miles an

hour. right now we are looking 100 mile-an-hour winds moving off to the north at 23 miles per hour. again, by tonight that is when the ca mechb islands is going to get hit with the heaviest rain. although the winds aren't really the big concern here it's going to be the wave heights, ocean flow and rip currents. so really be the big deal up and down the east coast. here is what we're looking at dangerous surf, 12-18, 15-22 up through new england. we do have our tropical storm warnings that are in effect for the cape and islands, nantucket, martha vineyards. tonight will be the worst of it. then by tomorrow the storm will be sitting off to the north moving toward canada and we'll see really this situation get a lot better from south to north as the system continues to go further to the north. notice all this rain.

we do have a thunderstorm watch box sitting down there in parts of the carolinas and maryland. that is because the front is bringing in rain what is keeping bill away. so what you are seeing along the east coast, that is not bill, that is cold front but it is going to help the flooding concerns but a lot of rain. east coast has had a lot of rain the past couple days so any additional thunderstorms is going to have max flooding. a lot going on this weekend but we'll keep tracking it all for you and let you know what you need to with bill and this front. >> julie: i wouldn't mind some colder air in new york city. if you could bring cold air by the time of my wedding in manhattan, that would be great. inmates for. a prison in central kentucky. see all those fires. prisoners actually set fire to

several buildings in the medium security north point training center in bergan last night. they had to use tear gas to gain control. no officers were hurt. some inmates suffered minor injuries. the fire caused so much damage that some inmates are being housed in other prisons now. prison has been lock down on tuesday after an inmate assault. >> tragedy in ohio where a small plane crashes near a high school. a high school football scrimmage going on at the time. the plane narrowly missing the players and crowd as onlookers looked on. the pilot and his girlfriend killed after their single-engine plane pitched to the left and entered a deadly nose down spiral. there is one witness describing the scene. >> it looked like he tried to recover and in the last second

he tried to he was going to come towards the kids and that. he shot straight down and disappeared behind the boxes over there or buses over there. >> so sad but nobody on the ground was hurt. police say they are not sure what caused the crash but the n.t.s.b. will be investigating. >> julie: a shooting massacre took place earlier this month. fitness center opening for the first time since the august 4th tragedy. 48-year-old man killed three women and wounded nine others when he opened fire in a fitness class. he then turned the gun on himself. he wrote about his deadly plans on a website. he blamed failed relationships with women as a motive. president obama may be on

vacation but he is fighting for his national health care overhaul. he accused his opponents of quote, making phony claims. republicans are accusing mr. obama, quote, running fast and loose with facts. caroline is live in washington with more. both sides are trying to do some stuff here today. what did they say? >> very different things and the gop response. president obama talked about the public option saying it would help competition because in many cases, one insurer dominates the marketplace. also illegal immigrants won't get insurance and there are no so-called death panels. here is where tom price disagrees. >> under the reform we seek, if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor. if you like your private health insurance plan, you can keep your plan, period.

>> if you read the bill that just isn't so. for starters within five years, every health care plan will have to meet a new federal definition for coverage, one that your current plan might not match even if you like it. >> reporter: congressman price said more americans will be forced off of coverage and force order the government plan. >> there seems to be a split between top democrats over the option? >> nancy pelosi has absolutely drawn the line in the sand but listen to her comments and number two in the house. >> let me say, there is no way i can pass a bill in the house of representatives on public option. >> we believe the public option is necessary useful and very important aspect of this. we'll have to see because there are many important aspects of

the bill as well. >> reporter: hoyyer is also for passing a bill so this normally goes in lock step. this could be a big rift. thank you so much. >> julie: so how much health care hurting the president right now? recent polls actually say his overall public confidence is on the decline as he works to continue to try to get both sides of the aisle come somewhere to the middle on his health care plan. what can president obama do to turn things around. joining is michael, white house core responsibility for "time magazine". i just want to show you the latest poll and get your reaction. rasmussen tracking poll for this saturday shows that 29% of the nation's voters strongly approve of the way that president obama

is doing his role. 39% strongly disprove, giving him a negative ten. this is the first time since july 31st that his index has fallen to negative double digits. how much is health care hurting the president? >> he took a big risk. there is no doubt about it and people will say that to you straight off. by attacking health care at a time when the country is still weak but a huge job losses continuing. his calculation we need to do this now, not for this year or next year, but for 10-15 years down the road. he has taken a beating for it. if you add the soft support for him, still most of his approval ratings show him over 50% but there is no doubt it's not been good. >> julie: the poll shows public confidence is on the decline while the president has been campaigning, working hard to put

this plan to both sides of the aisle. what does the president need to do to regain momentum and can he? it august recess and august is almost over? >> august was not going a time when he regained momentum. the only way he can regain momentum is get something done. he has to be deliver something to deliver something to the american people and nothing was going to happen in august. what he needs to do is quickly as possible get some deal. it's very likely he'll have a deal. it's unknown at this point whether it will be expansive and dramatic as what he wants. democrats in the congress and house and senate have interest in getting something through but the question is what that will be. >> julie: the question is, obama's message on the campaign trail was all about change. people wanted to see change.

since president obama took office he has tried to work across party lines. he hasn't gotten very far. it seems all this change he campaigned about seems to be back firing. and if president obama took too big a risk, how does he fix it? >> i think that is the most damaging thing. he came in to office with such high expectations and was able to maintain those expectations through the spring. he wasn't just going to change policies but change the way washington workers works. we're in a political food fight like a political food fight of old. echoes of 1993 of clinton care and george bush's effort to get social security reform. he's got to get health care done. put it behind him and then be able to move on to something else. the problem is no one is saying it will be done anytime soon. we'll have to wait until september 15th and we're not

sure if it comes out we're not sure if it will be fees o feasible plan. >> julie: michael, thank you so much for talking to us. continuing with another aspect, what about those white house e-mails. white house confirming to fox news they hired an outside company to distribute mass e-mails in support of the agenda. ending up in the in-boxes of people who never requested them. eric shaun has more details. what does the white house say about this. >> reporter: we broke the story last night. white house announced to fox news to major garrett and a lot of correspondents, they did use this company to send out those e-mails. that delivery is the largest government, private government e-mail company. they have random clients. by my count they represent 11

cabinet agencies, department of defense, state justice and work for the f.b.i., for the irs, for atf. even the director of national intelligence. they credit that on the website but they don't mention they work for the executive office of the president. guess what? the white house admitting they were hired after january 1st and before january 20th to do work at the white house. >> let me ask you this, what are the critics having to say about this. >> the critics are just wondering why did the white house use an outside government contractor for government work what is political e-mails supporting health care. a congressman demanded the full truth and response to our report and chairman of the republican

policy committee today is calling the white house use of delivery another ominous chapter in the campaign to jam the radical health care scheme on to an unwilling public by any means necessary. white house in a statement to us says that they were not removed in any lists and they have worked for some republicans such as governor perry and miss daniels of indiana. >> eric, that is tough talk and other critics. eric shaun bringing us up to date on the white house e-mails on the health care reform plan. have a good day. following something else, wall street ending the trading week on a high note. dow as many of you noticed closing above 9500. ben bernanke adding to the good

vibes by offering the most optimistic assessment since the recession begin but he cautions the recovery will likely be a slow one. are we gag bit ahead of ourselves. tracy burns to give us a dose of reality. good to see you. >> should we be happy and running out there to invest in wall street because of this 9500 dow? >> look, we had enough news to get the market going again. we had good housing news and we had earnings reports that weren't that bad. it's been degrees of less bad. the one thing we don't have is a consumer out there shopping, we see that in sales numbers. consumer is still at home and scared. consumers can't get loans, banks are giving money out there. so the lack of liktd is what is it going to affect the market. as soon as we can get the banks

lending we're going to see a lot of volatility in the markets. >> what about be the impetus to get people out there, not just loans but to get people out there investing and buying? >> i think it has to do with the job market. people are concerned they are going to lose their jobs. the numbers may be slowing, back down a little about it, not as ugly as they were. still, there is a concern. what happened when people lose their job each month, that is a load of people floyd. so people are very scared. they are not out there. they are saving their money and we are seeing a saving rate close to 6% which is something we haven't seen before. so in the end we're going to be fine because habits have changed. in the short run, there is still uncertainty especially from the consumer. >> thanks for the advice. >> julie: a hero's welcome in libya for a man convicted in the

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>> kelly: checking in top stories, hurricane bill making up the eastern seaboard. it's 300 miles off the coast of nantucket with winds topping at hundred miles an hour after bringing dangerous surf to bermuda, no casualties reported so far. prison officials in kentucky are cleaning up after rioting near

lexington. eight inmates and staff members suffered minor injuries. >> a single-engine plane barely misses a high school football game. n.t.s.b. is investigating. >> julie: the man convicted of the bombing pan am 103 receiving a hero's welcome in libya. he was sentenced to 20 years but the scottish government has let the now terminally ill terrorist return home to die. he received a warm welcome in tripoli from hundreds of libyans including the leader muammar khadafy. amy is covering the story. should the rest of the world responding to this continued celebration over megrahi's return? >> for sure, london and

washington wanted to see megrahi out of the spotlight. we've seen so many developments today. we had megrahi giving an interview to the london times, a lengthy interview in which he insisted he is innocent and claims he will let the truth be known before he goes to the grave. also we saw pictures this morning of a meeting that occurred last night, a reception of megrahi's home where muammar khadafy went to embrace megrahi. that was something that london and washington did not want to see. khadafy wand the pictures broadcast around the world otherwise they wouldn't be taken. finally we have the director of the f.b.i. robert mueller writing a scathing note to the minister of justice it makes a mockery of justice. this man was released is

regrettable and normally doesn't give his opinion but thought it was important. >> julie: he served eight years of a 27-year sentence and some are accusing britain of striking a deal to free megrahi. what is the british government saying about that? >> the british government denies anything about this. muammar khadafy thanked his friend, gordon brown and queen elizabeth and prince andrew to encourage the scotts to be released home. buckingham palace it was a purely a matter of the scottish government to decide. it was their decision and their decision alone. people are going to be dissecting the issue and speculating about it because there are lucrative deals cut.

in 2007 they signed $900 million bp signed a deal with the libyans. so the conspiracy theories and the questions about what kind of conversations have been had between tripoli and london in terms of deals will continue. >> julie: amy, thank you so much reporting live. >> kelly: so the question how does this affect the united states relationship with libya? two countries have a history of 1986 libyan agents are linked to a bombing in west berlin, germany a spot frequented by u.s. service members. then in 1988 pan am flight 103 explodes over lockerbie, scotland killing all people on border and eleven people on the ground. fast forward, when they hand over two suspects for the bombing. then in 2003, president george

w. bush and tony blair announced libya agreed to give up been weapon programs. -- weapons of mass destruction programs. >> i've got ask you, does libya play on the fate of america on the flight, pan am flight, this did they play games with us in bridging a better relationship by giving up weapons of mass destruction when we see pictures that we saw a hero's welcome when he returns home? >> well, it's a disgusting thing to watch. i think that it's important to understand the background to this. the united states took a very long time to have anything to do with muammar khadafy. i was involved as assistant

secretary of state for the middle east in the clinton administration when we first opened that effort. that was designed to get him out of the terrorism business and a toned get those two terrorists to trial, a scottish trial in the netherlands. we brokered that deal with the british, specifically with understandings from the british that the scottish trial would take place in the netherlands. if they were convicted as megrahi was, he would be incarcerated in scotland and held there. the idea that after eight years he could be released seems to me to go fundamentally against the assurance that we negotiated and received from the british government. back in 1998, this particular case believed to be quite angry as bob mueller in letting them

go. >> kelly: you see that it's highly objectionable and so many feels lost their loved ones aboard that flight, what can america do moving forward in terms of the relationship with libya, with khadafy? >> there is not a lot we can do about megrahi at this point. british let him go. now with a hero's welcome in libya. the relationship with libya has not been a warm one. we took a very long time to reestablish normal relations over a ten-year period, not only getting out of the terrorism period but giving up their weapons of mass destruction and paying generous compensation to the families of the american victims. there is not been a warm embrace from the united states unlike in the case of the british. >> kelly: i have to ask you this does this mean that muammar

khadafy two sides of him and one person, there are two sides of muammar khadafy, should we move forward with the relationship we have with him or should it be severed? >> i don't think there is any point in severing it at the moment. i think what we need to understand, there are two sides to khadafy. one side that desperately wants to be accepted by the west and particularly the united states. the other side that continues these kind of roguebair that we have witnessed in the last couple of days. what we want to do is pray on that side that wants a decent relationship with us. to make sure that we are clear in our communications that his recent behavior is unacceptable. >> kelly: that is stated very well, sir. thank you, sir. >> julie: still ahead, we have

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>> julie: widely popular cash for clunkers program, monday deadline, day after tomorrow, isn't soon enough for some car dealers who are backing out sooner, many worrying they may not see the money they have front to customers. my next guest is one of those dealers. the nation's large chain of auto dealers, president of the organization. what was supposed to pump money in the economy is literally back firing. the cash for clunkers program meant to hand out rebates so they can trade in gas guzzlers, great for car owners, how badly were auto dealers hurt by this? >> julie, think just the opposite. i think dealers were helped immensely. there is a large receivable and

fully competent it will be paid but it was a overwhelming success. we delivered more than 11,500 clunkers including a thousand yesterday. we're thrilled. our inventories are down but industry is happy. >> julie: what about the money that the government is not reimbursing you because there is a lot of auto dealers but a because they had to pay the money out of pocket. they have not been reimbursed, there are auto dealers that are struggling because of this. how much does the government owe you? >> in excess of $45 million. right. we're very confident we're going to get paid. government website is working the way it's supposed to. we have people working around the clock this weekend and well over hundred people working in the administrative side of the program. we're thrilled and we are very

confident we're going to can paid. >> julie: the dealers association, greater new york for new york metro area say about half of the 425 members have left the program because they cannot afford to offer more rebates. that doesn't sound like the plan is going so great for some of the automakers in new york city. >> i think basically the program was way more successful than they thought it was going to be. the amount of documentation was extreme, but we've learned to adapt and other dealers have learned to adapt. i'm confident we'll be paid in full. certainly it's a burden on an under capitalized business, we are very well capitalized and confident that our cash flow will resume. >> julie: apparently some of these dealers have been repaid only about 2% of the clunker deals they've made so far, one

dealer, i'm quoting here, it's in the hands of the enormous regulatory agency. if they don't get out, this program will be a huge failure. what is it going to happen come the deadline on monday? >> i think there is a tremendous rush. the government has indicated little flexibility in dealing with the deadline that is why we stopped selling on friday so we could handle the administrative tasks. we run ours through a shared service center in dallas, texas and we have people working around the clock and we are confident we'll get paid and meet the deadline. it's a big burden on the system. originally the billion dollars in stimulus money was supposed to last until november. it was taken from a billion to three billion and it was used up in 30 days. i think the program is a great success. certainly there a lot of pressure on the department of transportation and the dealers to make sure that all the documents are in so that we can

get paid. >> julie: i certainly hope that you do. $45 million, that is a lot of money. a lot of other dealers are not able to stay, keep up with this program. i'm glad to see that obviously it's worked for you. for some auto dealers i know they are hurting so we hope you get your money. thank you very much for talking to us. >> thanks, julie. >> julie: we have a fox news alert. we want to show you a chopper rescue. a dramatic chopper rescue. it happened on tuesday. did you hear about the hiker that went missing in southern utah. this is the helicopter that actually managed to rescue this salt lake city man that fell off a ledge into a narrow canyon. so the canyon is so narrow and hard to climb up. they had -- can you imagine. blades are so close to the mountains. it's amazing that pilot risked his or her life to get to this salt lake city man.

i guess fell off into a ledge and eventually landed on the ledge and then they hoisted -- williamson, jim williamson out on to a stretcher where he knocked most of his teeth out but he is expected to be okay. >> kelly: we're happy to be about the whole thing. it looks like a hollywood movie. >> julie: i feel like arnold schwarzenegger should be hanging on to the helicopter. >> kelly: we were talking about with the car dealers. a lot of people are struggling to make ends meet and to find a fun away to go after cash. we're talking game shows, jobless and under employed americans are trying to make it big and score big prices to make ends -- prizes. casey tell me all about it.

>> reporter: we've all played at home yelling out the answers at our tv. shows that were once primarily for entertainment value is drawing folks to plan to use their winnings to put food on the take. >> almost on every channel for generations millions have tuned in, caught up in the day dream of perhaps one day hearing those words in person. >> come on down! >> game shows take people out of their environment. >> shows that attracted college students attract a new breed of contestant. >> we're seeing about 10% of contestants that are more upscale qualified professionals who are out in the workplace who don't have a job. >> while those fabulous prizes fabulous, cash is king.

>> how about a new sony camcorder but people have to pay taxes on prizes over $1500 and more contestants are turning down the winnings because they are already in the red. >> the situation is so dire for some anything will do. >> now i have like a second chance. i'm doing it all for my baby. >> producers of nbc deal or no deal say about 20% of its contestants hopefuls are in the same boat, without a job hoping to get any kind of cash to supplement their income. >> kelly: a sign of the times. thank you, sir. >> julie: when you think of new york city, you usually think of traffic jams and a sea of yellow taxis. a new biking boom with more new yorkers peddling and the city is supporting them big. laura ingle is live with more.

>> all throughout manhattan, major thoroughfares like park avenue were shut down to normal traffic so the cyclists could have their way with the roads and enjoy bike lanes and open roads. it's all a part of the very special program done by the new york city department of transportation called summer streets. its program that has been going on designed to showcase the city's efforts to improve cycling safety for people to hop out on their bikes and good way to stay healthy. >> like many cities, most of trips are under two miles so it's a great way to get around town. >> new york city, self-proclaimed capital of the nation completed a 200 mile expansion this summer which extended length of bike lanes throughout the big apple to 420

miles and 620 total miles including all the parks here. they point to the census information that 2 million americans hop on two bheels each day and they have embraced the information and say bikes is the way to go. >> biking is growing nationwide especially in los angeles, san francisco, chicago, washington, new york. we're all growing by double digits by every single year. >> let's face it. not everybody is in love with cycling. in fact there are cycle haters, cab drivers and concerned drivers hitting people in on their bikes. there has been a street war between people on bicycles and those in vehicles. people of new york say please be careful. bike lanes have dropped accidents in the city and good reminder to wear your helmet while riding.

trend is up but people are catching on. >> julie: thank you so much laura ingle. kelly. >> kelly: i thought she would be on her bike. college graduates entering a brutal job market. increasing their chances for finding work. ell laodicean.

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unemployment line. a survey showing less an fifth of graduating seniors have job offers and it could be worse for next year's class. what can be done to help them out? what is the best way to pay back all those college loans. joining us is patricia powell founder of the powell financial group. we want to get to the college loans part. is it possible that you can work out some kind of negotiation with the company that is supplying your loan, you know what, wait to start charging me on the loan until i get a job. >> you can ask for a deferral and in most cases you can qualify for a deferral because of the unemployment. you know, you can't get blood out of a stone so what are they going to do? even if you are already in the work force and you've lost your

job, one of the first things you do, call your person and ask for a deferral. >> julie: for how long, it took me a year before i got in this career to get a job. i ended up working on commercials and serving people snacks and pretzels? >> i don't have a direct answer to your question because there are all kinds of college loans, private loans. what you your viewers would have to call their specific loan person and find out what would be available to them. i suspect you would get normally six months to a year of a deferral. >> julie: that is sort of a relief. college loans people in 30s and 40s paying off their college loans. let's talk about getting college students employed. figure dropping to one quarter of 2008 graduates and 2009 it

was fewer than one fifth. those projections are scary? >> these are horrible numbers, worst numbers i've seen in my entire career. when you think about it, young people 20-24 are suffering 15% unemployment rate compared to 9.4 to the overall population. this is a terrible time to be graduating from college. as much as we like to have our kids graduate but some of it depends on what your major that you chose. of those 20% that is finding jobs, there is worse news, if you are finding a job you are getting a lower job offer with a couple of ex searchess. a better job offer in engineering and you and i did a story couple months about that. engineering jobs, they're having a hard time filling them. so a lot of it what did you study and whether or not there are jobs available for you. >> julie: maybe even more schooling, i hate to say it,

getting a nursing degree may not hurt you because there is nursing shortages. >> that is what people are doing they are going back to grad school. >> julie: thank you very much. >> kelly: working out, a sure way to keep your trim waistline but what about your brain? is there anything you can do. medical news you can use next. if you're taking 8 extra-strength tylenol... a day on the days that you have arthritis pain, you could end up taking 4 times the number... of pills compared to aleve.

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>> sports analysts say he was as good or bitter than michael jordan. many believed he had the skills to be one of n.b.a.'s best players. a superstar for the university of maryland appeared destined for greatest. the year was 1986, on june 19th he had reason to celebrate after being drafted to his dream team, just two days later, joy quickly turned to sorrow. bias died of cocaine abuse stunning his friends and family and his mother. >> one of most difficult cups to drink from is the death of a child because the child should be bearing the parent the parent

a bearing the child. >> this is when len came back beating north carolina. >> he shows pictures of her precious soon son, he calls four years after len es's death grief would hit once more with the senseless shooting death of her son. senseless death of two sons and inflicting unbearable pain and grief. >> my lot should have been the local mental institution. i should have been out of my mind. i should be at the cemetery today what happened to my son, why me, why me. but there was a bigger plan and the bigger plan involved humanity, taking that message and messages of inspiration and hope to other people in difficult times. >> kelly: by finding home. she found comfort over tragedy

through her faith. her painful experiences now compelling to invest in the lives of america's youth. she created the abundant life resources a more excellent way. through this program, she shares her story with people around the world speaking at events like this summer for success camp graduation, sponsored by d.c. metropolitan police. places teens side by side with cops that care in helping teens. >> when that opportunity comes you stay strong and press forward. that is how you develop character. >> she talks to the kids, parents and police about strategies that will help bring stronger families and stronger communities. >> we believe that healed youth and healed families change community. so we go forth bringing messages of hope at the grassroots level

using practical grassroots methods of prevention and intervention. >> kelly: the dream she once had with her two sons for len and jay is now the substance of her giving hope to other children. lenice shows how to rise above tragedy and adverse it. she supports the belief that broken communities can be transformed. that their crooked paths can be made straight, that through the ashes of drugs and violence something good and beautiful can be made beyond a dream. >> kelly: incredible woman. she believes that they are teachable and loveable. for more information, go to our website. >> julie: what a strong mom and woman. >> when you think of working out you normally think you can hit

the gym. there is another form of exercise as we age. our brain crunchers. let's ask a pediatrician for the american academy of pediatrics. by your late 20s i'm learning today, you've already hit your mental peak and are giving up mental speed and efficiency. what does that say for us? we're not in our 20s, can we work out our brains? >> i think it's always important to exercise your brain. you don't want to be a couch potato you want to have intelligent conversations and having ethical debates and will help you later in life. >> julie: what do we do to increase brain activity. can we do that. after i'm in the middle of the debate off air, i walk away feeling on a high, if you will. when i go home and sit in front of my tv i feel sluggish.

there are ways to work out our brain? >> that is exactly right. i think you put it beauty any. think about how you feel after you solve a puzzle or you win a game of scrabble, you get that exhilarated high as you finish a debate or make a good point on the air. i think emotional aspects of this are important. you want to feel that high and feel good about yourself and feel good about what you are doing. >> kelly: let's talk about video games, anything there? >> some video games but it has to be challenging and figuring things out. you really have to be challenging your brain in order for it to happen. like pacman, but there are advanced video games now that when you are kids and play with them you can learn a little bit. >> julie: that is very interesting. so i see pacman didn't help me out so much. i thought that was how to train

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