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tirade. caution. you are about to enter the no spin zone. "the factor" begins right now. [captioning made possible by fox news channel] captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org-- hi, i am bill o'reilly. the subject of senator ted kennedy, that is the subject of tonight's "talking points memo." he left behind a 46-year legacy in the u.s. senate. ted kennedy was a dominant force but also a very controversial 13 and his legacy breaks down along controversial liberal minds, conservatives, generally speaking, thinking he was misguided and sometimes soars. there are some -- he was misguided and sometimes worse. if you know the bible, it says that personal judgments should be made by god and god alone.

none of us has a right to demesne eight public servants -- a public servant -- none of us has a right to demean a public servant. he joined with president bush to get the no child left behind legislation passed. kennedy, of course, was a liberal and proud of it. >> if i have often been called a liberal, and it usually was not meant to be a compliment. [laughter] but i remember what my brother said about liberalism shortly before he was elected president. he said, "is by a liberal, they need someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas, without -- reactions, -- rigid reactions, and if that

is what they mean by a liberal, i am proud to be a liberal -- if by a liberal, they mean someone who --" bill: they did not secure the border. it was a pure and misty play, and most -- it was a pure amnesty play. once kennedy got on board, it quickly became law. he was elected to the senate in 1962 after jfk was voted president. like him or not, he was a patriot. he was well thought of by people like laura ingraham, who will be with us shortly, and senator orrin hatch.

and that is "the memo." we asked dick morris, the author of the big bestseller "catastrophe" to pinpoint the best and the worst. let's begin with the best. >> i think probably the best was the no child left behind legislation, because it totally changed the whole construct an education in this country from a few can spend more money game to applying standards -- from who can spend more money. bill: this was an alliance with president bush. >> yes, and as a liberal democrat, kennedy could have opposed that and could possibly have killed it. he got it passed. he stood tall on it. by the way, about the only thing i agree with obama about is his merit pay for teachers and defining the teachers' union on

this issue. -- defying the teachers' union on this issue. there was a terribly important piece of legislation that i worked on, and it basically provided that when you switch jobs, you do not lose your health insurance. your new employer cannot say, "oh, that is a pre-existing condition. we are not going to cover you pure " -- cover your." -- you." and they let it be done, even though they let it hang out there to be a political football. bill: ok, those are the best things, and kennedy believed that poor americans should have the best chance to succeed, and i believe he was sincere in that. >> but there is something that

overshadowed that. he was like a compass that points left. your compass points to the north, and you do not always want to go north, but you have to know which way north is when you are in the middle of the forest. kennedy always pointed left, and as such, he became a lodestar, a marker. it was almost an institutional duty, and it was magnificent that he did that. bill: conservatives would say that they do not need somebody who is a rigid left winger. >> you need someone like that like you need a pope. bill: he was a powerful and so left, and he provided balance to somebody maybe like ronald reagan. >> yes. in politics, i think the worst thing is that in 1980, he had that horribly ill considered rates for the presidency.

bill: all right, i want to stop you there -- that horribly ill considered race for the presidency. it just about sonic the senator's presidential ambitions. roll the tape -- sunk the senator's presidential ambitions. >> why do you want to be president? >> were to i make the announcement and to run, the reason i would do that is because i have a great believer in this country -- a great belief in this country, that it has more natural resources than any nation in the world. bill: that was a disaster as interview -- disastrous interview. >> he had no reason for winning, and then he and carter had several episodes. obama/hillraiary -- this was

week after week. just what ronald reagan fighting gerald ford split the republican party and cleared the way for carter's election in 1976, so kennedy fighting carter cleared the way for the election. bill: he actually helped ronald reagan gave the election, though i think it was more jimmy carter being inept than anything else. the gulf war. >> that was sort of a generic imposing anything that you need to do to oppose aggression -- a generically opposing anything that you need to do to oppose aggression. bill: but he did not step up loudly against the second war against saddam hussein, did he? he was opposed, but not as verbal. with kuwait, he really did not

have a reason. these kuwaitis, they are standing there getting murdered and raped, and kennedy says, "i do not want to do that," that always threw me. >> stay out, is not our business. the third thing is health-care reform. -- it is not our business. there was this total demarcation between the left and center. there was the bill that president clinton ultimately signed which got 99 votes for it and 99 democrats against it. they broke even. in the senate's, kennedy was opposed to it, and he wanted to maintain the entitlement -- in the senate. bill: the usual liberal, and give the poor stuff, they do not require any kind of responsibility. >> cut the welfare rolls in

half. bill: it was obviously a success, welfare reform. he endorsed barack obama, and the clintons went nuts in the primary season. while clinton was in the white house, and you were working for clinton, what about ted kennedy? >> that he was a leader of the opposite wing of the democratic party. if you go back in time, when the new left was created in the aftermath of the vietnam war, kennedy was oddly the conservative. mondale in 1984, dukakis in 1988. then, when clinton took the nomination in 1992, he really took it away from the left, because he was more moderate, and then when he ran for reelection in 1996, we worked overtime keeping kennedy off of the platform during prime time. bill: because you did not want

clinton to be seen as a liberal? >> exactly. he's so much admired john kennedy, but i think on the political level, he was afraid of him -- he's so much admired john kennedy. he thought that clinton wasted this opportunity to move to the left -- he so much admired john kennedy. i think that when senator kennedy endorsed obama over hillary, that, i think, was just the culmination, really, of 30 years of heading opposite wings of the democratic party, and, by the way, those wings may come back to was in the future. bill: all right, directly ahead, geraldo knows the kennedy family, and he is on martha's vineyard at the moment.

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>> the values of our society are worth fighting for, and i see people struggling very hard to try to make a difference in our nation, which inspires me. bill: we continue now with our coverage of the death of senator ted kennedy today at age 77. geraldo rivera, author of a new book which will be released next week, called "the great progression -- how to hispanics will lead america to a new era of prosperity." >> i love the guy. -- loved the guy.

ted's brother had called willowbrook this largest institution of the world for the retarded a snake pit. it died after he said that. he was, of course, assassinated in 1968. he picked up the mantle and helped create special olympics. he was a prime advocate for the most disadvantaged citizens among us. he really was a mentor to me in many ways in that regard, leading me, helping the editorially, helping me, leading me to tell the story, the story which had never been told. he had his sister rosemary which was probably the first special needs child in this country to be publicly acknowledged by her family at a time families normally hit their development and they -- hid their

developmentally disadvantaged children. he can already been scarred by chappaquiddick. his own son, ted jr. got cancer, but he was so hard working on behalf of the disadvantaged that, bill, this guy is called the "lion" for good reason. he told me not to end the anybody, because here is a guy with everything going for him, and then his brothers are killed, his oldest brother dies in the war, his nephew john f. kennedy jr. died in a plane crash just a few miles from where i am standing now, and really, in so many ways, ted kennedy epitomizes the compassionate activist, the eloquent, charismatic politician and statesman. the fact that the democrats did not have him, that barack obama did not have ted kennedy to lead

the way in the health-care debate is one of the reasons is baily. he is sorely missed, and for me, personally, to have bogan's, interviews from when we are very young -- and to have bookends, from when we were very young to now -- bill: did you have that kind of relationship with them? >> sort of. i interviewed him just last year. we were in the senate building, and there he was. again, it was very close with the awful raid by immigration authorities in southeastern massachusetts. they had arrested these women who were selling knapsacks for gi's -- sewing them. senator kennedy told me it was one of the worst days of his public life for him to hear about these families being

separated, so that was less than one year ago, so we did maintain a relationship -- i became very close to the family. if i was fortunate to win the kennedy award several times. i was with tuna shriver -- eunice shriver during the inauguration, and ted's brother in law was there, and that was in january, and there was a sense that history, that that generation was aging out, but there was still enthusiasm. he was the person, i think, that put barack obama over the top when he and other members of the kennedy family endorsed barack obama, giving him a big, big push. it was a surprise endorsement. hillary clinton was the democratic play at that point. it was very much a part of my life, my rookie years, and as i become an old lion to some

extent in my own life, the whole thing, i hold b-- i heard that discussion about the word "liberal." it did not used to be a dirty word. that is what he and his brother's release symbolized for our generation. bill, i remember a picture, you know, of somebody walking, whistling, and there is a child on the ground, and they spot the child, and they pick the child up, and that symbolizes the best of what the kennedys were. sure, all of the historians point to this law and that flaw and this accident and chappaquiddick and all of this -- point to this flaw and that flaw, but he had a fall live, and deliver to the age of 77. -- he had a full life, and he

lifted to the age of 77, his other brothers cut down earlier in life. bill: ok. cia director leon panetta, coming up. opportunity.

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bill: in the week in review, let's bring in laura ingraham the joins us from washington. we just turn geraldo wax poetic from a fairly liberal point of view. how to uss kennedy? >> look, i grew up politically in the 1980's, bill -- how do you see kennedy? he defined pretty much what we were against. when reagan was for cutting taxes, ted kennedy was for raising taxes. when reagan was for taking a tougher stance with the russians, ted kennedy was for nuclear disarmament. you can go issue after issue, and, obviously, he stood far to the left, not only of his own party but certainly where the country had been moving for the early years of the 1980's, and i would argue that despite all the commentary about ted kennedy's

political legacy, look. you are seeing the opposition today to the large diamond program and the large government presence in our lives that ted kennedy really championed for his entire life. that in itself is quite interesting in the discussion of this legacy, political and otherwise. bill: because he did that, because he was a barometer of the left, that was a good thing, that a challenged the right and brought debate into the arena and 80 countries stomper -- and made the country stronger. >> solutions to the people of this country, and whether it was the era -- advent, 30 years ago a he was in favor of nationalized medicine, and now we are calling it the public option, which would lead to nationalized medicine, and the country stood against that. i guess you can say it is good to have two pioles, and then the

people can be in the middle -- it is good to have two poles. the trend of the country go slightly to the right. bill: do you think kennedy was a sincere man? he was a wealthy man, a child of privilege, born into a wealthy family, who takes up the mantle and moves the kennedy legacy to the left. i mean, if you look at robert kennedy and john kennedy, they were not nearly as liberal. >> no way. they were pro-life. they were for lower taxes. so, yes, he was to the left of both of them. bill: was kennedy sincere in his belief system, where was a posturing for political reasons? >> i do not know the answer of that question. -- or was it posturing for political reasons?

people are going to be shocked that i say this, but whatever you think of ted kennedy, he was not a big compromiser. he might have gone out to dinner with orrin hatch, but he stood beside the liberal values, and he was not going to abandon them, regardless. bill: i mentioned in the talking points memo on the child molesters, the sexual molester, the federal act. >> you can find examples in any legislative career. bill: he was holding it up single-handedly. john walsh and i were driving this thing, walsh more than i, and kennedy was holding it up in committee. we had a conversation. we said, "look. we respect you and your belief system, even though we disagree with you, but this is hurting the kids, and you about 24 hours

to get this out there, or is going to being full bore -- it is going to be full bore." so he said, "you are right. we need to get the kids protected," and he kicked it out of committee. >> abortion rights. as christians, catholics, people of good conscience -- bill: if you were an angel, it would be an interesting conversation between st. peter and ted kennedy. i have always wondered that, because kennedy was a committed roman catholic. >> i am not going to judge that. bill: absolutely not, we cannot. >> the thing i think we have to be careful of is overstating the political accomplishments of ted kennedy. he definitely pushed a lot of liberal ideas and some

successfully, but was the country moved to the left in the way he wanted it to be, even with the election of barack obama, and i would submit no. bill: no. laura ingraham. glenn beck. we will have his assessment on ted kennedy and more. and leon panetta, the cia chief, angrily confronted the white house, and we hope you stay tuned for those reports. final presentation. - one just got an email. - woman: what?! hmph. it's being revised again. the copilot is on mapquest. and tom is streaming meeting psych-up music - from meltedmetal.com. - ( heavy metal music playing ) that's happening now with the new mifi from sprint-- the mobile hotspot that fits in your pocket. sprint. the now network. deaf, hard-of-hearing, and people with speech disabilities access www.sprintrelay.com.

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bill: ends and the impact segment tonight, there is still controversy about eric holder appointing a special prosecutor to look into the interrogations of some terrorist suspects. cia director leon panetta confronted people and even used obscenities. joining us from the news headquarters in new york, the chief investigative reporter for that other network. leon panetta went toe to toe with him. are you hearing that? >> we are hearing that. they will not confirm that. people at the cia said it is not uncommon to have a screaming match with obscenities. bill: not unusual with obscenities? it is not unusual with rahm emanuel, and because he curses all day long, but leon panetta

is a nice, quiet, civilized guy. i have done three lectures for him out at his think tank. you could not get a more mild- mannered guy than leon panetta. >> he does use salty language, but he is a real gentleman, and he is very adept at the washington game of power, and he has run into frustration in his job up against people at the white house. bill: what set him off? >> he is unhappy about the directions from the white house about his relationship with congress, particularly democrats who were his former colleagues. as well, the decision to go ahead with investigations by the attorney general, and then the question about how much that cia inspector general's report should be made public. he has presented himself as a defender of the cia. he thinks is very important that the people of the cia be defended so that officers at the cia who are doing their job

continue to do their job. bill: ok, he is sticking up for his team. he does not one route to collapse or a witch hunt. he gets advance notice that eric holder is going to do this, so he confronted chief of staff rahm emanuel, and they have words. >> that is supposition. lots of facts and there are correct. whether that is exactly what happened, we do not know. bill: we are also hearing that leon panetta is close to quitting. are you hearing that? >> when we were told by our sources, both current and former intelligence officials and advisers to the president on such matters, and that he threatened to quit. they denied that, and they say úez has no designs to resign, bt there is at least one possible replacement candidates who was contacted by the white house and asked if he would take over if

he was asked. bill: and to was that? >> we cannot say. bill: why can you not? >> because sometimes we of confidential sources. bill: i know how it works, but i want you to tell the folks -- sometimes we have confidential sources. only you can know. is that right? >> at this point, we are talking to people close to that person, and because of the delicacy of the situation -- bill: they do not want to embarrass that person. >> the white house wants leon panetta to continue. bill: of course, because they would look like idiots. you are about 20 blocks north of manhattan. what if i come to abc right now with my gang and waterboard you. when you tell me the name then if i tell you? >> i do not know if i could withstand the pressure from the most powerful news organization in the country. i would resist. bill: brian, keep us posted.

we appreciate it very much. when we come back, and glenn beck has some thoughts on the death of ted kennedy, and some far left groups attacking him. glenn beck. increased my chance of a heart attack. i should've done something. now, i trust my heart to lipitor. when diet and exercise are not enough, adding lipitor may help. unlike some other cholesterol lowering medications, lipitor is fda approved to reduce the risk... of heart attack, stroke, and certain kinds of heart surgeries... in patients with several common risk factors... or heart disease. lipitor has been extensively studied... with over 16 years of research. lipitor is not for everyone, including people with liver problems... and women who are nursing, pregnant, or may become pregnant. you need simple blood tests to check for liver problems. tell your doctor if you are taking other medications, or if you have any muscle pain or weakness. this may be a sign of a rare but serious side effect. i was caught off-guard.

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group called think progress that tried to get sponsors to boycott "the o'reilly factor." that effort failed miserably. now, there is a guy, working inside the obama administration, and here now is glenn beck, the author of the big bestseller "common-sense." it really is amazing, beck, that people want to read what you have to say. glenn: yes, that is amazing. bill: all right, now, look. you have got far left balloons -- loons all over the place in this country, and they want to hurt you, and they went to hurt me. they do not want this. enter a guy named van hjones, who is now -- van jones, who is now special adviser on green

jobs, and you believe this guy has targeted you? glenn: i do not know if this guy has targeted me. i have been telling the truth about this guy. this guy is our new green jobs czar, and he is a self- proclaimed communist revolutionary. he named his 4-year-old son after a marxist guerrillas out of africa. he is a guy who was one of the members of a group called storm in san francisco, radical, radical, believes now's the time was a great guy, once an overthrow of the american system -- believes mao tse-tung was a great guy. here is what you have to understand. the grippy is now a part of,

called the apostle alliance, -- the group he is now part of, called the apostle alliance, and there is another group, and they broke the stimulus bill. bill: this is the white house biography of mr. jones. quote, "jones is the founder of the organization for creating a green jobs in in poverty areas." that is a good thing. "he is also a director of a center and the author of a book." glenn: they left out the two arrests for the rodney king demonstrations. they left out, what i believe was called "cop watch." these are some of the words that he has also said. "indian killing teddy roosevelt set the pattern for most

conservationist radical politics. let's preserve the land we stole." how about this one? >> if the activist would join forces with the people of color, the united states could avoid an eco apocalypse and achieve equity." bill: is it possible that mr. jones has converted into being a sane environmentalist? he does not like you. and his friends are trying to hurt you. glenn: whatever, whatever. bill: but is it possible he is a responsible environmentalist? glenn: i asked the white house, "did you know about his past?" did you know that he is a self- proclaimed radical revolutionary that has done all of these things?

their response is he is only focused on one very narrow -- green jobs. my follow-up question was, "what kind of jobs does a communist create?" bill: green jobs. red jobs. i do not know. communists want people to work. they are for the worker. glenn: what a coincidence? so do the unions. bill: this guy reminds me of reverend wright. he is an anti-american guy, we think, and the obama administration does not seem to have a problem with that. glenn: this is a pattern. this is not about barack obama. this is not about me, and it is not really about van jones,. . also exposed this week on the television show at 5:00 is

holdren. bill: who is that? >> the new science czar. he said that there is no where are you can find the right to have any number of children. so, in other words, you have a right to procreate, but nowhere can you find a right that says you can have four kids if the government says you can only have two. that is what they do in china. bill: you have got to check that. glenn: today, exposed the fcc diversity czar or "advisor," whatever they call him. it is about the importance revolution hugo chavez, almost thwarted because of enemies of hugo chavez here in the united states that tried to help put

radio back. he likes hugo chavez. bill: who is he? glenn: he is the fcc diversity czar. and he wants to take me off of the air. bill: that is what i have been saying for weeks. glenn: what a horrible month it has been for the kennedy family. eunice shriver. when it rains, it pours, it seems, in that family. the thing i can say about ted kennedy is that at least he never flinched on what he believed in, and the thing you need to take away from ted kennedy is that he stood up and never flinched. americans need to stand up, and without flinching, without fear, stand up for what you believe in. bill: even though you did not agree -- glenn: i did not agree with

anything. but that is what this country is about. bill: all right, coming right back with an author of a book about ted kennedy.

bill: "back of the book" segment tonight, there was a book on ted kennedy from edward klein. he joins us now. you have spent a lot of time researching this man. >> there is the tremendous similarities between his current wife, his second wife, vicki kennedy, and his mother, rose. they both come from political families. they both come from ethnic families. vicki is lebanese. rose was irish. vicki was very astute when he helped to head with his picking out -- when she helped ted. bill: she had a lot of influence over him.

now, he was first married to joan kennedy, who had a tragic life, and when they separated, he was a wild man, ted kennedy. >> he was. he lived in this kind of fantasy bachelor life, yes. bill: and his reputation was, in washington and boston, awful. >> yes. bill: is that all true? >> yes, worse than the reputation, actually. bill: ok. then he marries his wife, and how old was kennedy? >> 60. bill: and she is about tenure jogger? >> about 20 years younger. -- she is about 10 years younger? >> about 20 years younger. bill: i have met her, and from the beginning, she basically took him and changed him. >> that is correct. bill: how? >> by making it very clear that

she would go into is live and help him get through the palm beach trial and that he had to stop philandering. he had to stop going after women. he had to cut back on the drinking, and he had to be respectful to her, and she was going to play a key role in all aspects of his life, including how he treated his own children, so, for instance, before vicki,k the kids used to come running into the house without calling in advance. they would throw their clothing everywhere and rate the icebox, and she said no more of that region -- and raid the icebox. bill: so she imposed discipline not only on him but on everyone around him. was there resistance from ted kennedy, who, as we pointed out, lived many years without this

discipline? was their resistance to what his wife imposed? >> one of the interesting things about 10 is that he definitely light confrontation, and when vicki, for example, fired some of his old cronies, he did not say anything about it. he did talk to some of his friends, who i interviewed, and privately said, "that is vicki, and there is not that much i could do about it." when he had an urge to drink, and he went to his friends, and she found out about it, they were out. bill: there are things about this arrangement that he did not like, but he did not fight it because she was the more powerful personality? >> yes, that is exactly what i am saying, and this was a reversion to his earlier years. bill: vicki, 25 years his junior, was a mother symbol to

them? wow. rose kennedy incarnation? >> yes. bill: rose kennedy was an amazing woman married to a very difficult man and crazy sons, not all of them, but some of them. >> rose was very smart, and so is vicki. and rose had great political instincts, and so does vicki. bill: thank you. when we come back, pinheads and patriots, starring jay leno. we will be right back. . ( siren blaring )

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