>> alysin: good morning everyone, it is saturday, august 29. celebrating the life of senator way. >> you is the best ally even have. >> this morning we are live in boston s. senator ted kennedy begins the journey to his final resting place. >> is sickening to twist in the her kidnapper now being eyed for the murders of ten women are it why didn't please catch this guy centered? got a chance. we'll talk about that straightahead.

>> shocking comments from a member of congress at her own town hall meeting in los angeles. >> you can think whatever you want to about fidel castro or it but he was one of the rightist leaders i have ever met there had. >> etc. which is under communist leader day everywhere. this is just the beginning folks. our slogan this hour is unrelated to fidel castro or to start. it comes from dave anderson of columbia south carolina. he says i make "fox & friends" by wake-up call because when they give the news to get it all. >> fantastic. wanted you for joining us on a saturday morning. >> saturday? he went you guys got the wrong calendar check yours on clock ever. he went you will see that we could folks are all morning long

because we will cover senator qo(] special day here with >> coming up shortly we have a lawyer for a runaway teen who converted to christianity. this is something that while i was on vacation you covered. >> everyday. everyday we will have the lawyer back to comment on the lawyer could come back. she can join us. we're not going to sacrifice her and kill her but she claims the muslim religion demands. >> alysin: they say they never threatened her. her parents. in that case why isn't she being reunited russian ark she has some very grave concerns. we will talk to the lawyer about that. >> there are new concerns this morning about car seats. we have a baby this is a big issue for parents. which one is the right one. we will tell you that the doers are. >> particularly something i worry about, we put the kids in the car seat at predicting on the chest, could possibly

suffocate the child? the answer is, maybe. alysin will talk to us about that shortly. >> out the morning we will check in at the church where ted kennedy's control will take place because we understand people could be streaming in as early as now. the door is open. all of the ceremony begins at about 10:30 am eastern time. people start arriving within minutes. >> we're going to play you a little sound bite. it runs one minute long. and we want you to pay close attention. you're going to hear a commerce woman by the name of diane watson. shira presented district in california. she is at a town hall meeting on thursday night. what she does there at the way the ame church is she mangles a whole bunch of facts, but she also gets some signs off that rush limbaugh. go ahead and copy number of things she says that are wrong. roll the tape.

>> you might have heard their philosophical leader, i think his name is rush limbaugh. and he said early on i hope that he does. you know what that means? if the president, your commander-in-chief fails, america fails. now, when a senator says that this will be his waterloo, and we all know what happened at waterloo, then we have him and he fails. do we want a failed state of the united states russian ark so remember, they are spreading fear and they are trying to see that the first president who looks like me fails. and i want you to know, people look at the united states as a country that has changed its way and has elected someone from kenya and kansas. i will put it like that.

>> that's quite a headline again. did you know that wreck obama was from kenya and kansas westerner and i think it's from fighting to eisenhower was from kansas. i'm from kansas. stu and his mother is from kansas and his father is from kenya. his parents are from kenya and kansas. i don't she said the. >> i know it. she said the united states of america has elected a person from kenya and kansas to resident. there are a few interesting things. we also played her in the opening of the show talking about fidel castro, the communist leader people can't get enough of. here's congresswoman watson while al-hadi here i would like to weigh in on something. leaders i have ever met. tomatoes people locked in jail

for fighting for freedom and hoping for human rights. he is such a great leader people tried to get him tried trying to get into miami. message at a town hall meeting. this is supposed to be a healthcare meeting. a town hall meeting where people are able to ask questions about their concerns about healthcare, and she was loving the universal health-care coverage in cuba, and fidel castro and she didn't mention of course that there is a scourge of doctors and port facilities and lack of drugs there etc. etc. >> there was an interesting part where she did talk about how rush limbaugh wants this president to fail. this president who looks like her. she is suggesting racism? she does not bring up the fact that rush limbaugh does not want this president -- once this president to fail as he feels his policies will lead to socialism.

it has nothing to do with race. it has everything to do with the man's policies to mexico saturday hour. it was spring of 2009. we were kids then. everything seems so simple. senator rockefeller introduced a bill saying i am concerned about cyber security and he says in a bipartisan fashion like to introduce a cyber security bill that will allow the governor to dutch government to have a kill switch on the internet, so in case of an attack with a banking system comes to a close, streetlights don't work, we have a way to stop the attack in its tracks. give the white house control of the internet. this has many people upset including silicon valley that says the government controlled internet? we told you how works. they cannot tell us how to kill it doing many people nervous. i thought this would be a violation of civil liberties -- civil liberties, freedom of speech, so they be crafted language to make people less nervous. unfortunately that's not what happened because of it about language that people thought was particularly specific they have

now made it very vague. so the critics of this think that communal, it's supposed to be used in the event of something horrible lack of an attack. >> like a terrorist attack. but if you kill switch the internet you may use it for some other purpose. >> river and president george w. bush shut down air traffic over the united states on september 11. he says that would be it. the president would be -- the troubling part is because the language is so vague, civil libertarians say coming up, because it is so vague and so broad, if the president interpreted as certainly, he could push a button and turn off the internet. not just for government sites but for private companies as well. >> said jimmy smith, connecticut the new language and he says:

you and that's the purpose of people don't think it has hit the mark because again it is so that you don't know really when you can use it in the event of anything. >> steve, while you're in ireland there was a compelling story where initially is greatness. a child missing for 18 years is bound. now we find out about that grisly details. jaycee to guard is safe after being killed by captive philip garrido. law-enforcement officials admit they have a chance to savor. listen. opportunity to bring two earlier closure this situation. >> fox casey spiegel standing by

live in antioch, california. casey, they had the chance a couple years ago but they did not discover that the girl is living buying the house with her two daughters. but they finally did. now i understand the new news is funny is that apparently this guy, who held her, along with his wife, for many, many years, is perhaps suspected in a string of prostitutes who were murdered. >> yes, absolutely. there are so many details hear that are so confusing and everyone is time to sort out. the police are basically saying they're looking into whether or not the suspect by now have in custody for this bizarre story, is in fact, responsible for multiple murders of prostitutes drop the whole southwest. but what evidence police have that suggest that to them, they're not releasing to the media at this point. but you know we're in the middle of a normal everyday neighborhood, and it is just hard to fathom that for 18 years, not a single person, not

a single neighbor, not a single pearl officer who visited this house, knew the horrors that were going on inside the house right back here behind me. now in the overnight hours, and last night, we have seen dozens of police cars coming and going, gloves to go ahead and process this crime scene. something they say will take several days. really, in the backyard, a compound if you will, investigators have called it that carried inside a backyard, and that is where jaycee to the right had been living for nearly two decades, since she was kidnapped at the age of 11 as she was walking home from her tahoe, about 200 miles from where i'm standing. in 1991. police say she was living in a shed with a remit your bathroom and shower, essentially treated

like an animal for the last 18 years. it is just hard to comprehend. again the nightmare all coming to a close hear this week. >> thanks for much. coming up shortly we'll talk to one of the producers from america's most wanted where alysin used to work back in the 90s actually cover the case when it grows abductive. >> he remembers well what the parents said. he was the first person to interview them. we will talk to him about the family angle. >> senator ted kennedy known as the liberal line relayed to rest today and david a. miller is in boston with a preview of the days events. good morning, david lee sakamaki housing, good morning everyone. as you might be able to tell weather here today is positively funereal. the skies are gray. expect it will continue throughout the day. here at the jfk library last night, a special invitation-only service was held at was described as a celebration of the sen.'s life.

his family and friends are in attendance and many of the senate colleagues and we should point out the game from both sides of the aisle. just a short time, less than two hours now, we expect a congressional delegation will arrive here at the jfk library to pay their respects to senator and then at 9:40 am this morning, the funeral cortege will make its way from the library to the basilica of our lady of perpetual help, that is for the general masses going to be held. the president of the united states, barack obama, will deliver the eulogy. back to you and thank you. we will check back with you throughout the morning phoenix beginning of this morning, on this saturday morning, the state of new jersey where i live, saying no to moammar khadafy. with money where the libyan leader will not be able to live in the garden state in a couple weeks to make sure and away from home, she said her parents were muslims were going to kill her for converting to christianity. she could be forced to go home

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>> seventy minutes after the top of the hour. boxers can confirm libya's leader muammar qaddafi will not be staying in new jersey during his upcoming visit to the united states the united nations. it is a trip that has created controversy match unless ralph peters" well as at first about colonel, are you surprised that the people of new jersey and the legislature and the lawmakers have one their quest to keep his tent of new jersey. >> i am certainly encouraged them proud of the people of new jersey. i'm surprised he new jersey lawmakers were able to get it together. that's what really matters here

isn't the issue of where qaddafi stays. he is a clown but he is a widely calm. and what's important about the shenanigans he's been trying to pull is this: would he have tried to do this if george bush were still president? what's important is he as a bellwether for dictators around the world. predominantly jewish community states, tells us that we are not taken seriously now. hasn't been strong enough and >> row, i was in ireland last week and earlier this week and i was telling brian theétf8/ç]èga) there that got attention and people angered about this lockerbie scotland thing. of course the bomber went to qaddafi and had a hero's welcome. ultimately though, what is qaddafi trying to do? is he trying to poke his finger in obama's eye to see how far he away with westmark.

>> that absolutely is it. gaddafi seems like a con, a crazy guy, but he survived for decades. shaman. enough to rub it in the face of the united states right after the hero's welcome for the lockerbie bomber. look at the world from adopting zoo. the current administration, the obama administration is creating terrorists, threatened to safe. praising the rich legacy of islam and abandoning our soldiers in afghanistan without a strategy. they, why not rub it in america's face? of weakness in obama administration is projecting to dictators around the world. and i tell you, in the immortal words of captain beefheart, double coming every day. >> kernel as we go, keep in mind

he has abandoned israel according to the israelis. colonel rob peters i always love talking to you. thanks. >> my pleasure to back it up you will now stay at a luxury hotel in the city. to make up for the un is. >> our president obama's healthcare plan softens at the doctor's question mark dr. marc siegel says yes. it's coming up to explain. >> there may not be a way for doctors to detect early symptoms of al summers disease and britney spears is playing a key role. what? we'll explain. achoo! (announcer) what are you going to miss when you have an allergy attack? achoo! (announcer) benadryl is more effective than claritin at relieving your worst symptoms. and works when you need it most. benadryl. you can't pause life. being smart. yep.

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you lose weight. how? >> a study in the uk but that 3500 patients and showed it seasonal variation in the presence of brown fat which is the good fat compared to what x. is overweight. in daylight and to lesser extent overture activated the brown fat which brings energy and calories quicker and makes you lose weight. >> is more than just during the daylight you go out and get physical activity. this is something else, but what happens in your body. >> absolutely. this could be used by researchers to find a treatment in the development or programming of fat to become brown fat in there but we might lose weight record. >> next topic and we must talk about it is the strange one, the cleveland clinic study people to figure out who is most likely to get alzheimer's. for some reason they used britney spears in the study. what is the connection which mark timothy cleveland clinic looked at 69 mentally healthy adults and within an mri scans. two thirds were at risk of

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policies so here's an example. eisenhower was 63 months in office before dropping below 50%. george w. bush, 37 months. george hw bush began by one month 36. exson 25 months, reagan ten and obama aide. now clinton we should say dropped before eight months. down below 50%.

in just four months. he was tackling a don't ask don't tell policy that made him unpopular during that time democrat at the get go. member george w. bush, when he took office, it is about their then started to go down and then september 11 happened, and the country rallied around his prosecution of the war. and he did very well. it went way, way up. so if you are reading the tea leaves at the white house and you look at that, this is not good, and then when you look at the number of americans who do not like the president's plan to change healthcare, you realize -- and why it has gone way down, i was reading one poll that apparently the number is down below 50%. but it has stabilized. that's the good news for the president. the bad news is a majority of the people in the country do not want to change things if you look at things it has to be healthcare. it'll be controversial i don't care if you are the better republican, you try to change it people are dug in.

trial lawyers are so dug in and no one wants to take them on. the other thing is, whether his polls are down or not, the word from harry reid is that we are going to have a bipartisan bill or partisan bill. either way we're going to get this done. can you imagine if the agendas through without republican support? >> hairy reid said he don't have a bipartisan bill will just have a partisan. >> a group of the american league of voters stand for individual liberty and government accountability that

to say, no, that's partisan, it's extraordinary. take a look at this ad. here's the ad done. we should point out that there

is an actual neurosurgeon in here and he's warning about how under the president's plan, we could wind up with rationing. take a look at the plan. >> how can obama's plan cover 50 million new patients without any new doctors? it can't. it will hurt our seniors and medicare as we know it. rationed coverage and care. limit live saving medicines and pose long delays on cancer treatment and other vital surgery. it's happening in england and canada. don't let it happen here. >> tell congress to protect american healthcare. paid for by the league of american voters. >> dick morris is quoted as saying we're not against healthcare reform, we want to refocus it. he formatted that ad. >> was that part son to you? the neurosurgeon's point of view. isn't there room for both points

of view on abc? >> as we go to news, if you watch the abc thing, there was a die ver -- divergent point of view. you have two different opinions. >> charlie gibson asked would you like a pillow, mr. president? >> that's true. 24 minutes before the top of the hours. >> a shocking report out. the mastermind before 9/11 is now being called the c.i.a.'s preeminent source, that's a quote, on al-queda. according to "the washington post," the c.i.a. says it began getting information from him after he was subjected to waterboarding and sleep deprivation, this after obama orders a review of interrogation techniques of the c.i.a. in the days and months after 9/11. >> the tea party express is rolling through the country this morning. the anti-tax caravan, that's

sacramento heading to washington d.c. the focus, government-run healthcare. >> regulated to death. everybody's scared to death. >> we have no jobs. i haven't worked all year. >> our freedoms and liberties are at stake. >> that tractor better have another gear. it's going to take a long time to get to washington. the tea party express arrives in d.c. on september 12th. >> overnight we learned adam goldstein was found dead in his apartment in new york city. they found a crack pipe and prescription drugs nearby. you remember he survived a plane crash last year that left four dead. he was known for his string of celebrity pals including mandy moore, nicole richie. goldstein was just 36 years old. >> that is sad. meanwhile take a look at this video, a huge while fire ridge right now in los angeles -- in

angles national forest. that's moving east towards los angeles foothills suburbs. hundreds of homes have been evacuated. the fire 5% contained. >> while you were sleeping or maybe partying, the space shuttle discovery got off the ground. >> boost and liftoff of discovery. >> just seconds before midnight, seven astronauts blasted off from cape can naval. it appears no foam flew off the fuel tank. they took a treadmill named after steven colbert. >> a developing story, a little boy missing in the surf in north carolina, hurricane danny, now a tropical depression is still churning up the waters to dangerous levels. in north carolina is jonathan sarry. good morning. >> good morning to you. a very sad story about this

12-year-old boy. it happened in the town of corolla just north of where we are on the outer banks of north carolina. 12-year-old boy using a body board in the water in heavy surf. his mother says she saw him go under, the body boy emerged without the boy. the coast guard searched for hours but to no avail. it's enticing to go into the water because the storm's been downgraded and the western side of the storm extremely weak. winds for the most part clear skies. often beautiful days at the beach. yesterday was sunny and i anticipate today will as well. and so people are enticed into the water. look at this heavy surf here. forecasters are warning that there's a heavy potential for undertow and rip tides. not only here in the carolinas but all up the eastern seaboard, all the way up to new england as danny makes its way northward. so they're urging swimmers to exercise extreme caution. back to you guys. >> great reminder, jonathan.

thank you very much. >> 21 minutes before the top of the hour. >> there's a man over by the big -- >> how do you know. >> i can see him. >> i recognize him. he's rick. hi, rick. >> good morning. >> in ireland i went from oh danny boy to danny the tropical depression now. >> this weekend going across parts of the british isles. this one is now because of danny. danny has been downgraded. it's a tropical depression, will not become a hurricane. it's settled 85 miles off the shore of cape hatteras right now. all this moisture is going to move across parts of the northeast. the last advisories issued from the national hurricane center. later on today we'll talk about another storm that's out there that we could be watching. all this moisture is going to pull off quickly towards the northeast.

by the end of the today mostly will be gone. towards the nation's capital but especially much of new england talking about very heavy rains, some areas maybe around 4 to 6 inches of rain by the time this is done. a lot of flooding will be a concern and the beaches a washout. gotta stay out of the water again because of the rip currents today. very cold air moving in as you're waking up in international falls. fall in full swing across the far northern planes. going to be dry and cool but not the case across the southwest. still triple digits. flirting with 113 or 115 in the phoenix area. >> quite a discrepancy. i believe that's premature. >> straight ahead, one of the reasons we're scrambling this morning and with you today because of what's happening. it's arlington national cemetery

where senator ted kennedy will be laid to rest. that will be this afternoon. we'll cover this all morning long as the funeral gets underway. we understand people already coming into the church. >> and then she ran away from home saying her muslim parents would kill her for converting to christianity. she could be forced to go home. this lawyer will join us live. >> are president obama's plan for healthcare offensive to doctors. doctor mark siegel says yes. we'll be right back. ♪ open up. ♪ everything's waiting for you.♪ i promise not to wait as long to go for our ride. with zyrtec ® i can love the air ™ .

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about your risk. and about lipitor. ♪ >> hey. watch out if you ever get a sore throat. >> doctor may look at the reimbursement system and say to himself, you know what, i make a lot more money if i take this kid's tonsils out. >> our next guest says that is just one example of how the president has dis'd doctors with his healthcare push. >> dr. mark siegel joins us now. good morning, doctor. >> good morning. >> you think the president has somehow demonized doctors with what he said with his healthcare reform plan. how. >> i'm more and more convinced he hasn't been in a real doctor's office for a long time. the reality in a doctor's office

is shrinking reimbursements, seeing more and more patients. but we were trained to take care of people. the greatest satisfaction i have as a physician is sitting down saying guess what, the treatment worked. not give me your money. and similarly, patients dying, like when ted kennedy just died, it's emotionally trying on a physician to give that news to a family. that's what's going on. it's offensive to say we would be doing amputations or taking tonsils out for money. many doctors work for free on many patients. reimbursements are often slow to come. medicaid doesn't pay half the time. medicaid doesn't pay half the time. i treat a lot of patients and never get paid for them. if a patient loses their job, i don't say to them get another doctor. i say i'll treat you for free until you get your job back and i am not alone. >> well, you're not alone in speaking out. we just ran that commercial that is being run not on abc because they won't run it of a neurosurgeon who is worried that

the healthcare system's going to wind up under president obama, would wind up rationing out care and stuff like that. did that look like a partisan ad to you or was that just the guy's opinion? >> not at all. i think that the guy had just an opinion which he's totally entitled to. i don't know if the public realizes insurance isn't going to mean anything if the doctors aren't there to take it. if you keep cutting reimbursemented to doctors and hospitals, you're not going to have healthcare. >> what you laid out, that laundry list of problems, the shrinking reimbursements, working more hours, that's the very reason the president says we need healthcare reform. in fact, he's calling it a moral obligation to pass it so our fellow citizens have better healthcare access. >> but they're not gonna have better healthcare access because you can have insurance that won't actually give you healthcare. i can't tell if the president is being disingenuous about this with all due respect or he

doesn't realize the world he's going to create. the public insurance is awful. more and more doctors are not taking it. 50% of doctors don't take medicare. they can't. they can't make a living. medicare, if we rein it in, hospitals are going to go out of business. physicians are going to go out of business. i was trained when i see a patient no matter who they are, old, young, black, white, a woman, a man, obese, thin, treat them the same. i can't say this is an elderly person, they're not gonna get the same care the way the house 3200 was stating. i read it. it looks like i'm supposed to counsel 65 year olds house to cut down on their care. >> we've got karl rove coming up an hour or so from now joining us from i think salt lake city this morning to talk a little about this as well. he wrote in the "wall street journal" a couple weeks ago how the people who have healthcare

insurance already -- what is it, close to 85% in the country is already covered. like about 90% of those people with healthcare coverage like what they've got. so why blow it up. >> steve, it's a great point. let me tell you how it blows up. take my office. put in more and more patients. pay me less and less for seeing them. i quit. and my -- president obama says you get to keep your doctor. but i say you can't keep me because i can't stay in business. >> you're getting driven out by the system. >> absolutely. >> dr. mark siegel, always a pleasure. thanks for making a couch call. >> anytime. >> a sneak peek for you at a "fox news" exclusive. former vice president dick cheney talks about the plan to investigate the c.i.a. he says we should be thanking interrogators. >> a 17-year-old on the run from her own family. she says her muslim parents will kill her if she goes home for

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♪ >> a teen runaway says she fears for her life because she converted to christianity from islam. the attorney for rifqa's mom was on the program early this week saying she would be sent back -- should be sent back to her parents. listen.

>> people ought to know that evidence of what other people do who are not actually directly related to this family really isn't helpful in a dependency case, just like it's not helpful in a lot of other cases. it's not enough to say there have been some murders in ohio, therefore this particular family is going to commit such a thing. >> joining us is rifqa's attorney with his reaction. good morning, mr. sandburger. >> how are you? good morning. >> i'm well. what is the attorney talking about when he says there's been other murders in ohio. honor killings? >> there's been two other honor killings in ohio, one in columbus and another in stubbenville. the problem with the argument he's making is this, that the parents are directly linked with this mosque that has ties with radical islam and with terrorist

activity. and so they go there weekly, every friday. it's a community they're actively involved with. it's certainly relevant and i would think the court is absolutely going to take that into consideration as he's looking at this case. >> and when you look at this, you know we talked to you earlier in the week then the lawyer for the parents who you just heard from. is that an apt analogy? >> no. it's a poor analogy. again, it's because the mosque is directly linked. it's not like you can send these folks away for parenting classes or anger management classes. this is something they believe. it's a conviction, a part of their life and this mosque has ties with the muslim brotherhood. in fact, their spiritual leader is a member of the brotherhood which is not even accepted in most muslim countries. while there's many peaceful muslims, this is not one. these are very adherent muslims and this mosque has ties with radical islam. >> so riqa is 17 years old.

what is the answer? if she's not sent home to be with her family, what is the future for her? >> we're asking the court to declear her dependent, a person in need of safety for the state and we're asking the state to take custody of her because of the inherent danger, not only for her parents whose father has punched her and threatened to kill her if she doesn't renounce her faith but because of the community at large and this mosque that the family's associated with. i'm more concerned about that community. she could be walking around and simply slip away in the night like others have. there's 5,000 honor killings a year so we don't want her to be one of that's statistics. >> there's a hearing on september 3rd. if you think she wants support, if you support her staying and becoming a dependent of the state, e-mail charlie chris

about this problem. charliecrist. thank you for joining us. >> thanks, ali and brian as well. i'm over in the coffee room right now. coming up we're going to play you some extraordinary information about there's a new twist in the case of that guy out in california accused of abducting the girl 18 years ago. now he has been eyed in the murder of ten women. why didn't somebody catch this guy earlier. and then shocking comments from a member of congress at a town hall meeting. >> you can think whatever you want to about fidel castro, but he was one of the brightest leaders i have ever met. >> okay. maybe she hasn't met a lot of world leaders.

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pictures of senator ted kennedy's final resting place. the senator will be buried at arlington national cemetery alongside his brothers. we looked at last night's touching tribute where family, friends and more paid their final respects. >> he forgot about a couple of bank accounts worth about a quarter of a million dollars each. a million dollars of assets, what else democratic democratic congressman charlie rangel could be hiding. we'll talk about that straight ahead. he's got a lot of explaining to do. and meanwhile, our slogan this morning comes from charles emberger of american, a weekend with aly, steve and brian, sustain without trying. >> i like it. >> hey, good morning everybody, thanks so much for joining us. later on the show of course we'll be covering senator ted kennedy's funeral for you. but we want to talk about this

incredible story. after living a nightmare for 18 years, jaycee dugard is safe after being held captive. we talked to the reporter who covered it from merge's most wanted in 1981. >> welcome. you and i both worked for america's most wanted in and you said this particular one haunted me. >> it haunted me for a couple of reasons. number one, jay jays sea was abducted by two abductors, a man and a woman. and maybe a couple who want add child, couldn't have a child so she might, might be alivement i'd given up hope long ago. i think the father had as well. but deep, deep down, the chance she was alive. you knew the parameters of the story of the disappearance and you knew they were looking for a couple. with this particular guy on anybody's radar? because i understand at that time he'd already been

convicted of rape and he'd already served years and years in prison. >> and jaycee's stepdad was one of the first people, there were two investigations within for the family and one for the abductor. the abductor trial led nowhere. he was under suspicion for many years and i knew he was innocent his wife did, but if you have for carl. it was amazing seeing the footage on geraldo rivera when he had a sippyndicated show and the parents broke up. can you imagine as the stepfather, he hopped on a bike and chased down a car and as you said it's not likely that a man and woman does this, but it turps out his description was perfect, the car is still around, he's 170 miles away. >> he was vindicated two descriptions. one of a ford and one after

sefer. the car was there the one in the abduction. >> we know the details. she was kept in a shanty shack behind a fence for 18 years. she had two children because of her captor. is such a failure of law enforcement, of the department of parole that was supposed it be investigating this guy. >> neighbors. >> how did this happen? >> i thought he would be bitter about law enforcement's failure in this case. he was overwhelmed with joy about the return of his daughter. i think the many questions, why, how did it happen, why didn't they follow through, why didn't police follow through. how could it be a skroet in the back yard no one knew about in the suburban street. i think the family may be asking questions. >> the father of the alleged abductor, the brother of the alleged abductor, knew he was crazy, a sexual deviant, they

saw the girl 2007, this guy brought the girls with him to see his aunt and said one of these kids looked exactly like him. here is what he said from jail. well, see the quote and look at it together, it just disappeared. essentially he said i turned my life completely around and he's going to find the most powerful story coming from witness, the victim. she evidently is embarrassed and remorseful that she felt attached to him for this period. that report from her mom who since reunited. >> i spoke with carl, and she is embarrassed, a lot of thinking and therapy how with her mom, her two children and with her stepsister and dad, a public dynamic to move forward. >> at 11 years old, it's no wonder that you form attachment to the person who is taking care of you. we know it as stockholm syndrome and this is who she

was relying on for food, for sustanence. yes, it will be fascinating to see the story she has to tell. anthony. >> thank you very much. >> my pleasure. >> thank you. >> you've got along with alisyn when you worked with her here? >> she was-- >> the best. >> i can't say anymore. didn't say anything-- >> self-incrimination. >> and okay,'s got to go. >> all right. show him where to go. >> there you go. >> bye. >> bye. >> senator ted kennedy will be laid to rest later today next to his brothers at arlington national cemetery and there you see the eternal flame that was lighted so many years ago and last night, some of teddy kennedy's closest friends, colleagues, families all gathered to pay tribute to the man known as capitol hill's liberal lion. fox's caroline shively is live in washington with more. and caroline, i see behind you the capital and very briefly

today, ted kennedy's motorcade will stop there at the senate. >> you're exactly right. after the funeral this morning in the boston area, then he will come to andrews air force base, and go by the senate steps there for people who want to pay their respects before going on to his final resting place in arlington cemetery. last night it was his friends and family who remembered teddy kennedy more than three hours at the jfk presidential library. his colleagues recounted stories of 47 years in the senate. epic battles for health care and civil rights, immigration, but also remember the funny times, when he dressed up as elvis in a jump suit for a christmas party and senators as conservative as he was, liberals spoke of a great love of this man. >> other times in committee on the floor or even in the press, teddy would lay into me with the harsh eest liberal rhetoric you could imagine,

but just minutes later he'd come over and put his arm around me and ask, how did i do? do? >> kennedy family members gave us stories of earlier in his life. how he made history come alive for them. how he taught them about patrick henry and valley forge and constitution hall and after their own fathers passed he helped step in to ease their pain. >> every single one of my brothers and sisters needed a father and we gained one through uncle teddy. caroline and john were no different. >> and now teddy has become a part of history and we have become the ones who have to do all the things he would have done, for us, for each other, and for our country. >> caroline kennedy also said uncle teddy believed in us so we should believe in ourselves. back to you guys. >> caroline, thank you very much. we understand the president who will be giving the eulogy later today, according to bill

burrton, this will ab personal membering from the president as a friend, colleague, family member who on those around him and our entire nation as well. of course you'll see it live here on fox. >> meantime, your headlines this hour. in afghanistan, a suicide bomber attacks husba u.s. troop and murdering civilians. a reporter working is in a hospital. seriously wounded by a roadside bomb. the same explosion killed a u.s. service member, making august the deadliest month there since the war began. 45 service members have been killed in august alone. former vice-president dick cheney slamming a justice department probe into alleged abusive interrogation techniques by cia agents. it's a fox news exclusive courtesy of chris wallace. >> the approach of the bomb

administration should be to come to those people with the policy, how did you do it? what was the key to keeping the country safe at that point. now they're threatening to disbar the lawyers that gave the legal opinions. threatening contrary to what the president said originally investigate. the cia that carried out the investigation the. >> chris wallace joins us next hour with more of that eye opening interview. and fox news is confirming that libyan leader moammar gadhafi will not keep pitching a tent in new jersey. instead it appears he will say in a hotel in new york city. many people in inglewood, new jersey, says that his presence would be a slap in the fast. and he welcomed the convicted terrorist to blew up pan am 203 leaving 270 people dead. debates in town halls across the country related to health care. here is the news we have in one town in georgia, one man

believes the health care system in the u.s. is just fine the way it is (applause). >> the health and human services secretary will have final say over all insurance policies and providers. now now-- >> all right. stick around, we'll have more from town halls like these throughout the show. those are your headlines. >> all right, it's saturday, will it be a good day to go outside and live it up? well, rick, you've got some storm clouds on the horizon according to the tropical satellite loops? >> what was danny, a tropical depression after cape hatteras, we're watching. and it will bring rain across much of the northeast through your day today. i want to look at other tropics, a system off the coast of mexico, a tropical storm will pull off to the northwest, potentially impacting cabo and pa hadbaja ad

could be bringing moisture in across the deserts of arizona and southern california which would be great. this is where eyes are next going to turn to the tropics, the rain showers that will move maybe across the lesser antilles the next few days and this could be the next development, maybe becoming our next storm. there have been storms, in areas across the northeast, we've got the rain here. this is the moisture from danny. it going to be affecting areas of the east coast and of course the services for the kennedy family today. very heavy rain at times, probably around the two o'clock hour as they're beginning to transport down toward the d.c. area and temps into the lower 60's and in d.c. maybe some beg thunderstorms moving through right around the five o'clock area. temps are going to be much warmer though right in toward the lower to mid 80's. so there you go. east coast certainly not looking good for you, guys. looki looking. >> new numbers show that americans do not approve the

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>> get this, accord to go a new report by the heritage boungs, president obama's health care reform proposals could be a job killer costing u.s. businesses roughly 50 billion dollars a year which could lead to layoffs. >> the report's author mark wilson of the heritage foundation joins us now live. good morning, mark. >> good morning. >> okay. so you've crunched the numbers, looked at the health care plan and figured out it could end up costing 50 billion dollars. why are your numbers so different than the obama administration numbers? >> well, my numbers focus on

those employers that don't currently offer health insurance to their workers and would have to be required to under the senate and house bills and that's going to cost them at least 53 billion dollars a yearme. health care is not going to be free and those costs will be passed on to workers in the form of fewer job opportunities, maybe even unemployment and on to consumers in the form of higher prices. >> you know, i just don't get this, mark. you know, it's all about the somethin administration saying it's all about saving money, but you would think they would have done the math ap said, hey, wait a minute, if employers are going to have to pay more, they're going to have to pass it along to the consumers and then they're going to have to pass along to their own employees in the form of lower wages the, it just doesn't seem like this is a good idea. >> well, not at this point in the recession or in the where we're at in the business cycle, certainly. there will be benefits, i mean, the benefits and the lower costs come from the big

costs in medicare primarily, but there are employers out there that currently don't offer health insurance that will have to. that will be an additional cost. it may be slightly less than they otherwise would have to pay if there are savings in the system, but they're still going to have to pay more and those costs will be cost on to consumers and workers in the form of fewer jobs. >> sure, you say if they don't abide by this mandate and they don't offer health care to their workers then they will have to pay, i guess between a two and 8% payroll tax and you say that will basically hurt small business? >> it will. there are 27 million employees, as your graphic showed, that currently don't have health insurance. those employers are going to have to provide it. they will be mandated, they either are going to have to pay the tax or provide health insurance and that tax, as economic research shows, will be passed on to 5.2 million workers in the form of fewer job opportunities.

>> right, there's a graphic right there. 5.2 million jobs put at risk. there is a possibility, mark, that several million people could wind up losing their jobs and ultimately if they lose their jobs, then they're going to be on the government dole, aren't they? >> that's right. and it will fall most heavily on the low wage, unskilled workers that will have an even tougher time finding jobs in the recovery that ensues. >> and mark, i mean, i know that i don't want to ask you to speak for the white house, but why do you think the white house isn't aware of these numbers? numbers? >> well, they're looking at the cost to government. the congressional budget office looks at what is it going to cost the government, what are going to be the savings of the forced cuts in medicare, how much is it going to cost to expand medicaid. they're looking at the government costs. my research was on what is going to be the impact on employers in the private sector. >> all right, mark wilson reporting today from pittsburgh, pennsylvania, we

thank you very much. >> thank you. >> meanwhile, brand new poll numbers show that americans do not approve of putting the cia on trial. up next, we've assembled an expert panel to tackle this topic and debate it. >> and talk about a bad blind date, a man not only skips out on the meal, but then steals the date's car. >> i hate when that happens! >> more "fox & friends" in just three minutes. we will have details. it's what doct most for headaches. for arthritis pain... in your hands... knees... and back. for little bodies with fevers.. and big bodies on high blood pressure medicine. tylenol works with your body... in a way other pain relievers don't... so you feel better... knowing doctors recommend tylenol... more than any other brand of pain reliever.

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>> brand new rasmussen poll shows that 49% of americans disagree with the attorney general eric holders decision to investigate the cia over interrogation techniques. also new this morning, "the washington post" reporting kalid shaikh mohammed is now the cia's preeminent source in

al-qaeda. this is proof, he only became that integral source after being water boarded. joining us right now with their thoughts on this, former cia operations officer wayne simmons. former interrogator in iraq and author of "how to break a tr tr terrorist", wayne, we start with you. "the washington post" uncovers a story from the inspector jep of the cia that kalid sheaikh mohammed, an accomplished resister, provided a few delts after water boarding became so compliant, he actually had chalkboards out describing the philosophy of al-qaeda and where everyone was located. does that change the debate when it comes to intear dparrogn techniques and interrogating the cia intear gators back in those days? >> it proves the point that i

have tried to make and my colleagues have tried to make. water boarding is effective, and harsh techniques are effective. we've taken one of the senior leaders, the guy who planned so many attacks on americans and around the world, and turned him into a ph.d. he's instructing us. he's teaching us and that you cannot put a price tag on. >> matt, you did it, you're in the fight yourself, but this report shows that mohammed cooperate today an extraordinary extent only when his spirit was broken in the month after his capture he provided nothing. when they broke him, he provided everything. is it more worth it could keep americans safe to be tough on the bad guys. depends your definition of tough, brian. and torture is not tough to me because you-- when you use torture there's all types of negative long-term consequences. the most significant being the fact that al-qaeda used that as a recruiting tool which

brought hundreds, thousands of foreign fighters into iraq who killed u.s. forces. so it was counterproductive. >> auking abu ghraib. >> including mohammed. >> your a talking about abu ghraib. the cia is stripped of all ingare tags access after high value capture and out of taking the lead and all the countries around the world has been turned over to a national intelligence director. what's your feeling, bruce. >> we need to go back what's our true safety. in my judgment it's the rule of law. that's more particular than any particular interrogation of any individual. the fact is our anti-torture laws don't have exceptions for getting good information. congress could amend the statue, you could alter the treaty, but we've got to stick with the rule of law and moreover when you have extenuating circumstanceses the president can issue a pardon before-- there's accommodation, you want to have an investigation and you don't want to make

judgment before-- >> and the cia officers will be investigated and perhaps prosecuted. >> i'm for upholding the law. i think anybody who breaks the law should be held accountable. there's a reason to look back with an independent commission, to find out what worked and what didn't work. >> that's what should be done, agreed. >> and the leadership failures. >> wayne, on further review. these men kept checking back with the pentagon and lawyers and make sure they were doing the things they were supposed to be doing. >> that's correct. two quick points. number one, matt continues like many of his ilk, to continue to perpetuate this falsehood that our harsh interrogation methods caused the terrorists to be able to recruit many, many more terrorists. and when in fact, that is absolutely not been proven to be true. they were going to attack us no matter what and number two,

anyone like matt who suggests that those of us who would use harsh ip tear ga interrogation techniques are the responsible for the death of american soldiers is preposterous. that's so far over the line, matt, i can't believe anybody like you or you would make that climb and number two quickly. >> real quick. >> pat buchanan quoted orwell this week, as you saw. we sleep safely in our beds because rough men sand ready in the night to visit violence upon those who would harm us. this administration is taking that away from us. >> there's going to be a major investigation, we'll have all three back to examine it. time is too short. thanks to everybody. meantime, straight ahead, shocking statements at a meeting when a democratic congress woman praises a dictator. >> you can think whatever you want to about fidel castro, but he was one of the brightest leaders i have ever

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>> welcome back. you're looking live at pictures of arlington national cemetery, the eternal flame where senator ted kennedy will be laid to rest later today next to his brothers, john f. kennedy and of course, robert kennedy. last night, the senator's friends, family and colleagues paid tribute to the liberal lion at an event appropriately called the celebration of life. life. >> other times, in committee on the floor, or even in the press, teddy would lay into me with the harsh eest liberal

rhetoric you could imagine, but just minutes later he'd come over and put his arm around me and ask, how did i do? do? >> that's great. >> he had one of the best speeches because they were tight and talked how they worked together, worked against each other and understood the ins and outs of the united states and orrin hatch had a chance to see him and they had pictures and senator biden-- excuse me vice-president biden was outstanding and caroline kennedy was moving. and he felt an obligation to help raise the kids of his brothers. >> absolutely. >> and he always was active there and she kind of brought us in behind of scenes last night. and let us set the scene for what you're looking at there. screen left is the eternal flame lighted when president kennedy was assassinated back in 1963 and screen right you can see the peter pan bus.

that's actually at the john f. kennedy, presidential library in the boston area where the senator's body is still lying in repose. shortly it will be taken to our lady of perpetual health basilica in roxbury, massachusetts where the funeral mass will be, that's where the president of the united states will actually eulogize his friend and colleague, ted kennedy. >> our producer andrew, the new england producer there tells me right now the bells are technology the half hour as mourners begin to arrive under gray skies and a steady rain. we heard from david lee miller it's down right funeral. >> and we understand the extended will come in 10:10, 10:15, three former presidents led by the vice-president and the immediate family of ted kennedy, all eastern standard times. >> and that's why brian and i are here this morning, for

dave and clayton with our special coverage. funeral mass and burial throughout the day here on the fox news channel. >> all right, switching gears. we need to tell you about this town hall meeting that happened in goeorgia. >> this is in los angeles. >> from california. >> a couple of town halls. >> we have one from georgia. this one, you're right, is in california, this is congress woman diane watson and she was supposed to be talking about health care of course. but she deviated, i believe, and went off script a few times to say some things that were quite curious. let's listen to the first thing she says about rush limbaugh and president obama's heritage. >> they are spreading fear and they're trying to see that the first president who looks like me fails and i want you to know, people look at the united states as a country that has changed its way and

has elected someone from kenya and kansas, i'll put it like that. >> wow, this is a headline that we have elected a president from kenya and kansas. >> a lot of the-- will be happy about that, they have proof. >> when you talk about kansas president you're talking about dwight eisenhower from my home town, but to mention, remember, this is a sitting member of the united states congress saying that the president of the united states was born in kansas and kenya as well. also, just the part where she said that they are trying to see that the first president who looks like me fails. is she injecting race into that? what is that all about? >> i don't know if you saw the clinton years or the bush years because i don't think race had anything to do with it, it was ideology that had president bush with a lot of fervent foes, as well as people who want today see bill clinton be unsuccessful as president, i don't think that had to do with the color of

their skin. >> that wasn't the only serious thing she said. she was talking about health care plan and held up cuba as a shining example of universal health care. they have universal health care, that part is true of course, she didn't mention that the doctors there are also paid $15 a month and don't have access to necessary drugs. >> that's the small print, aly. >> excuse me. let's hear what she said about cuba and its leader. >>, you can think whatever you want to about fidel castro, but he was one of the brightest leaders i have ever met. >> okay. bad news for fidel castro, he's still alive, by the way. number two, is he might have universal health care which pleases him and michael moore who did a feature on that, and tried to humiliate the country and the main mode of trance takes is still the ox. >> no, they've got cars from 1965. >> oh, yeah, that's where time

forgot. i just don't know what the obsession is for certain lawmakers for fidel castro, they love this guy. >> she said he's one of the brightest world leaders she's ever met. maybe she hasn't met any other world leaders. >> good point. >> let' talk a little more about-- now, this is one of the most powerful democrats in the congress. >> he writes tax laws. >> right, he is the chairman of the house ways and means committee. his name is charlie rangel. we've told you in the past how he apparently forgot that he had that property down in the caribbean. we told you about how he forgot about paying some different taxes. well, now, because he is being investigated by the house ethics committee, he has gone back to amend his tax returns and essentially what it says is, you know, the tax returns i didd i-- the financial disclosure forms i've filled out for years and

years, they were wrong. we now find out they were wrong by millions of dollars. how is that possible, a guy making about $150,000 a year. it can be off by millions of dollars? >> it happens. sometimes you have mutual fun funds, high yield, mutual funds, parcels of land in new jersey and forget about t huge amounts of pepsi stock and don't understand where it was and you left it under your socks. one day, his net worth was from one million to 2.5 million and his 2007 financial disclosure form looks nothing like the new one. the ones he previously filled out. >> it's unbelievable, he's worth 2 1/2 million dollars and forgot about the stuff in the rent controlled apartment in harlem he shouldn't be in. >> and forgot about the apartment in glassboro, didn't pay inform property tax on and forgot about another checking account he had in a different area, but here is what charlie rangel has to say about this. >> this should be good. he says all of these things are untrue, misreported, but

the public is entitled to more than just a denial. the fruits of the investigation will prove they have severely unfairly distorted the factsment. >> let's go to the board and find out what's been distorted. >> yeah, there's a whole bunch of stuff. mutual funds, here is the thing, he essentially failed to reveal about 3 million dollars in various business dealings, including property transactions, and stuff like that. and also, he opens a parcel in new jersey. >> two. >> that he is apparently in arrears for taxes and-- >> he forgot he had it. >> he never put them down. keep in mind, this is the guy who writes the tax law and remember, our tax laws are very complicated. if the guy in charge of the tax laws can't even figure them out, don't you think they're too complicated for us? and the other thing is, if he were a republican, don't you think people would be saying, oh, the republican party, he's a didd a-- the poster child for the culture of corruption, yet, nary a word.

>> 20 minutes before the top of the hour shall start us off. >> let me tell you what your headlines are. a camp for in afghanistan was destroyed. they' tacked the camp on an island in the swat river. security force haves been trying to remove the terrorist group from the swat valley. >> will president obama get master control of the internet? if a new bill is passed the commander-in-chief could shut down online traffic by seizing private networks in the event of an emergency. some are calling the revamped cyber security act of 2009 a dangerous government intrusion. others liken it to when president bush grounded airplanes after the september 11th aittack, saying it would only be used in case of a cyber security emergency. the big question with broad language what is an emergency. >> the united arab emirates seized a north korean cargo ship bound for iran, included

rocket propelled grenade, and the first seeizure sips the united nations toughened sanctions. >> when were you fast asleep. >> how down you know i was fast asleep. the space shuttle "discovery" finally launched. >> booster ignition and lift-off of discovery, celebrating its 25th birthday by racking up science and supplies. >> you were right, i was asleep. >> seven astronauts blasted off moments before midnight from cape canaveral. it appears that no foam flu off the fuel tank. >> that's good news. discovery is carrying 17,000 pound of equipment to the international space station. >> meanwhile, lots of first dates can go really wrong, this takes the cake. a tate starts normally. a man and woman go out to eat at a restaurant in michigan, and that's when the man says he left his wallet in her car.

when she handed over the keys he got behind the wheel and took off. the woman stuck with the bill and suddenly, no car. that's when the guy, he was arrested and police officers tracked him down and using a picture of himself he sent to h her. >> right. >> i know it. >> that's why you should always go to blind dates to movies, movies, worse comes to worse, he leaves earlier. let's talk town halls what we'll be talking about. >> senator john mccain heckled at his own town hall meeting. >> ma'am, you're going to have to-- you're going to have to stop or your a going to have to leave. you're going to have to stop or you're going to have to leave. this woman right there, please. goodbye. see ya. >> and that wasn't all. more of the opposition mccain-- >> in pink-- >> in phoenix straight ahead. >> they've got to ban that organization. >> this is a live look at the congressional delegation. . >>

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>> as i was starting to say last break, we have to take right now a live look, and look at this, all four boxes, family and friends beginning to arrive at the kennedy presidential library to pay their last respects to their senator, senator ted kennedy. joining us right now, to talk about this, the festivities taking place on the day and the legacy of senator ted kennedy and more is one of the stars of the weekend is governor huckabee. governor, good to see you on

the couch on the weekend. you have personal experience with ted kennedy. you testified together, didn't you? >> we did back in 2005, that tl was a bill that was before the senate and it involved a program called tax equity family responsibility act and essentially passed during ronald reagan's administration. the short version of it is, it empowers families to be able to care for their developmentally disabled child no matter what their income it. ordinary tli theily there would income cut off. it would mean that people would medical expenses would have to be improverished. do you help your child or maintain family income. a terrible choicement we were on the same side of that issue. a good approach and it's what we ought to be talking about for the uninsuranceable. the real question is not uninsured, that's what obama has focused on. that's not the issue, it's the uninsuranceable. there are people who aren't

insured because they choose to be and some are uninsurable. >> right now we're looking at pictures at jfk library in boston area. and last night chris dodd talked about health care and ted kennedy and perhaps that's for another day after he is buried today. one thing, he will be buried later today at arlington next to his two brothers and for a lot of people they've looked at ted kennedy, this is the end of an era, the last of the princes of camelot. >> ted kennedy, one thing you can be said of hem. he was a man of his own cop vickses. he was an honest broker. you know where he came from, he came from there out of his convictions. he didn't mind the word liberal applied to him and i respect the fact when you're dealing with somebody who has convictions you know where you're starting and you can get somewhere. the problem is when you're dealing with politicians who are like weather vanes and go with the wind, they're moving tarts. so ted kennedy was a go-to guy

because you could deal with him in an honest way and that's why republican senators disagreed with him most of the time, but they respected him and could work with him. >> and look at george w. bush, one of his first pieces of legislation was about education that he worked with ted kennedy on. >> ted kennedy was the co-author of no child left behind and ted kennedy was also involved in the americans with disabilities act with george bush's father president bush 41. many times through the year that ted kennedy was the reason that something got done. that's just the way it worked. >> sure, i mean though many people were not fans of his policies he did devote the 47 years in public service tt things that he believed in, which were helping the improverished as you said, children's rights, health care, et cetera. he was a wealthy man, he didn't have to work that hard, really. >> you're better off dealing with an honest liberal than had a dishonest conservative, and it's the truth. you want to deal with somebody who has convictions and you know where they standments he was willing to make a deal. straight ahead more from

governor huckabee, boils in on the anger boiling over at senator john mccain's town hall meetings. did you see that? >> i'm your employer, i'm your employer. you work for me and you've got a better health insurance plan than i've got! >> we are going to show you how the senator reacted and get mike huckabee's opinion in two minutes. your body needs sleep to feel healthy... to feel better. tylenol pm quiets the pain that keeps you awake. and helps you sleep, in a non-habit forming way. our kids are ours again. so it's a good thing walmart guarantees unbeatable prices on all of our cookout favorites, because summer isn't about how much you spend, but who you spend it with. save money. live better. walmart.

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>> joining the conversation at fox nation.com. we're conversing right now with former arc gnaw governor mike huckabee the star of the huckabee show right here on the fox channel tonight. we know you've done tons and tons of town halls, i want you to, before we get you to weigh in on this. watch how john mccain was con

fronted by somebody who simply would not shut up. what does he do? we'll get the governor's reaction in a moment. >> my name is fred, why don't i have the health insurance you've got because i'm paying for it and i'm paying for the president of the united stat states's health insurance and coping's health insurancement why don't i have that? i'm your employer, i'm your employer! you work for me and you've got a better health insurance plan than i've got! >> you're exactly right, that's why i want to make hurricane insurance available and affordable to you, sir. >> why don't i have that? >> there you go, a guy asked the good question and he got the answer. here is the guy, the person who would not shut up. >> ma'am, you've you're going to have to stop. you're going to have to stop or you're going to have to leave. aur going to have to stop or you're going to have to leave. that woman right there. please. goodbye. see ya. >> that was, he really maintains his composure there

and looks like the uniform of code pink there. how do you do that. >> did the pink give it away. >> the pink tank top. >> he handled it beautifully. >> the key thing is not to get into the same spirit. almost like the bible says in proverbs 15. a soft answer turns away raft. you don't fight fire with fire in a town hall. john mccain's a master at it. he had showed what to do and i had code pink come to people town halls, acorn people that disrupted and stormed the stage and i have experience with this. and the thing you want to do is smile and act like hey, i'm not roughlied even though you think you're going to get hit with a chair. you diffuse it by in kt if a -- i use today say to the code pink ladies, this is an affirmation of what a great country is. if you were in iran, you would have been shot. and you're not going to be shot and your family will find

you. >> outside the building. >> governor huckabee, you sometimes you want to make statements and move on, right? >> you have to separate the people who are generally angry and let them vent. they want to be heard. and somebody that really does work for them is going to listen to them and that's all you need. >> instead of pretending to listen. what about charlie rangel, pretending to file his taxes for years, worth double of what he is declaring and chairman of the ways and means committee. >> if i would have done that you would have seen video of me in a perp walk. you know, this is unbelievable. oh, i forgot i had a several million dollars. look, how many people forget several million dollars they have? >> sure. >> what about the california congress woman who said that castro was one of the smartest world leaders she'd ever met. >> i think she might be one of the less intelligent members of congress i've ever heard of. let her go to little havana in miami and tell the good people who escaped the tierney and

ferocious horrors and menacing power, and firsthand, what an intelligent person he is. >> what do you have coming up on your show. >> jon voight is going to be there, i'll answer issues i think need to be told. all over america, time magazine, george stephanopoulos, crawling all over me on a radio program i had on senator kennedy and obama's health care plan. we've got jon voight, we have about 40 guests with us with fra frank. >> and alisyn may be in the audience wearing pink. >> bring it on, alisyn. bring your best game. >> thank you very much. >> good to see you in person. thank you, brian. >> shocking new details in the jaycee due guard case. her suspect in the murder of

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her kidnapper now being eid for the murders, if you can believe it, ten women. why didn't police catch this guy sooner? >> meanwhile, you are looking at a live picture of arlington national cemetery, the eternal flame. senator ted kennedy will be buried there around five o'clock today. we're live as the senator begins the journey to his final resting place. right now he's in boston travelling shortly to washington, very emotional last night, too. >> meanwhile, a stunning development this morning. the 9/11 master mind kalid shaikh mohammed now a key asset for the cia after water boarding. this coming up on the heels of the fox news exclusive with former vice-president dick cheney and he sits with chris wallace. chris wallace joining us, you're watching "fox & friends," a really good show according to steve and alisyn. ♪ >> good morning, thanks for joining ubrian and steve

making a special appearance, we'll see our weekday folks as we provide ongoing senator kennedy funeral coverage. >> the family entering into the site of the funeral at the church. and senator kennedy will be laid to rest near his brothers at arlington national cemetery. the funeral motorcade set to depart in 30 minutes. david lee miller already departed on on the scene live for us at the jfk library in boston where family and friends are arriving now. david lee, set the scene for us. >> that's right, brian. in the past few minutes here at the john f. kennedy library in boston, we have witnessed at least half a dozen buses arrive, those buses containing a congressional delegation. they are now inside the jfk library to pay their respects to the fallen senator. also arriving here, we have noticed a number of members of the kennedy families as well

and we expect in a few short minutes, within certainly half an hour, possibly sooner, that the senator's body is going to be removed from the jfk library, placed inside a hears is it. that is going to make its way into mission hill to our lady of perpetual health where the funeral mass is going to take place. it will be as we've heard repeatedly a two funeral mass. the senator will be eulogized by president barack obama, but others will also be speaking at the funeral mass among them two of the senator's children, also participating will be several of his grandchildren. more than 1400 people will be attending the funeral mass and of course, it is going to be televised around the world. but right now as we said at the outset the senator's body still inside the building behind me, the john f. kennedy memorial library, a building that ted kennedy in fact helped to construct here at this location in memory of his

late brother. we expect the funeral cortege to get underway momentarily. >> we'll see that live here on the fox news channel. he will be eulogized by the president of the united states later today at the service that commences at 10:30 at our lady of perpetual health b basilica. what you're looking at inside the jfk library. >> you can obviously see lots of familiar faces there as you look. >> william kennedy smithments you saw congressman lynch many people think will make a run for the senate seat and is how open in massachusetts. he walked by a second ago. you saw. >> there will be 58 senators there we know today. maria schriver is already there, as well as lots of members of the kennedy clan. >> the air force base at three o'clock this afternoon, once it arrives in the washington area, there will be a

motorcade. >> there's maria shiver right there. >> a motorcade along independence avenue. apparently they're going to be stopping at one of the capital entrances over by what is known as the senate swamp where president-- or rather, ted kennedy had a number of press conferences during the years. they will stop the motorcade for a brief prayer so that kennedy staff members in the d.c. area can say goodbye and then that will be the only public event. the rest, including the burial leader today at arlington willble private. there will, however, be some press pool of coverage as you can see right there. the eternal flame live from arlington. >> yeah, it was a great mix of three hours, you saw the parent, you saw the senator, you saw the leader, you saw the uncle, you saw the dad. it was an interesting perspective over three hours. at five minutes after the hour, the other major story we've been covering all morning is taking place in california. a living nightmare for 18 years as jaycee dugard is

finally safe and heart break this morning, she wasn't found sooner. there was an opportunity. >> on november the 30th, 2006 we missed a opportunin opportun bring earlier closure to this situation. >> didn't know when the police showed up after the 911 call, they didn't check the back yard, they didn't know he was a sex offender, they heard, according to the call, that he was a sexual deviant according to those makingle the call. >> joining us is casey stegall. sound like they miss add few opportunities, casey. >> yeah, they did and were you talking about the call. 911 call nerer in 2006 said they thought there were girls living in tents in the back yard and the deputy was here. we're understanding the deputy was only here for eight minutes, but never bothered to check the back yard and of

course, the police apologizing profusely to the public in 18 years time. no one knew the hoarse unfolding in the house back here behind me. but, to bring you up to speed now, last night into the overnight hours, a number of law enforcement vehicles and scores of investigators have been coming and going, bringing in boxes of latex gloves, processing what they call an extensive crime scene. the unthinkable happening in the back yard, mostly. a compound, investigators calling it a back yard inside a back yard and that's where jaycee dugard had been living for nearly two decades since being kidnapped age 11 walking home from the school bus stop near lake tahoe nearly 200 miles away in 1991. police say she was living in a shed, in tents, with a rudimentary bathroom and shower, essentially treated like an animal for the last 18 years. and what's more, one of her captors, the man you see there on the left of your screen, 58-year-old had sex with

jaycee multiple times through the years, fathering two of her children. now, ages 11 and 15. who were also confined in that back yard. they had never been to school, never been to doctor. the nightmare coming to answered. listen to this, after he apparently took the children last week to the uc berkley campus to distribute religious materials. an officer on the uc berkley campus thought the interaction between the children and adult seemed odd. he ran a background check and noticed that he was a registered sex offender. he was convicted in 1976 of raping and kidnapping another woman. he did time in federal penitentiaries before being paroled here to california and nightmare finally all ended last week. really the unthinkable and again, police and parole officers visiting this house multiple times throughout the year and no one caught that there were children leafing in

the back yard just absolutely incredible as we continue to follow this, guys. >> it really is unbelievable casey. neighbors saw the kids and he even brought them over to, i think, one time an employer's house saying it was his daughter. and there were so many missed opportunities and this guy was a registered sex offender who you don't need a warrant to search his place. one of the deputies say i didn't have a warrant and didn't feel i could poke around. you don't need one. >> the guy was wearing an ankle bracelet. one of these guys who wears a gps ankle bracelet because he was a sex offender because of the rape years and years ago. >> also, what is interesting, apparently back in 1993, that guy was this prison for five months. he was out of the picture. and yet jaycee was in the back yard. you've got to figure, okay, the wife is going to become a central figure what's going on there. >> and the brother said that she was like a robot. >> obviously. unbelievable. >> well, i tell you what,

there is a special place in hell for people who do that to people, to little kids. >> we have more vents on that coming up, but in the meantime we have your headlines for you. let me tell you what's happening, a stunning report out of washington this morning, kalid ch shaikh mohammed, the master mind behind 9/11, being now called the preeminent source on al-qaeda. according to "the washington post," they began getting information from him after he was subjected to water boarding and sleep deprivation. this of course as president obama orders a review of interrogation techniques in the days and months after 9/11, that the cia used. we are going to talk to chris wallace a little later in the show. he spoke exclusively with former vice-president dick cheney who says the obama administration, he's obviously very opposed to them probing the cia about their interrogation techniques again. and fox news now confirming that libyan leader moammar

gadhafi will not be staying in a meant in northern new jersey. instead it looks like he will be staying in a luxury hotel in new york city. much more comfortable. earlier on "fox & friends" ralph peters calls what he perceived as the u.s. weakening policies with dictators around the world. >> what's important, he's a bellwether for dictators around the world and what his in your face actions, threatening it pitch a tent in the predominantly jewish community tell us we're not taken serious now. the obama administration's mental hasn't been strong enough and dictators don't fear us anymore. >> gadhafi is coming to the united states for an address at the u.n. take a look at new video, a wildfire raging right now in angelus national forest. he's grown to eight square miles and moving towards los angeles the foot hills and suburbans. hundreds of homes evacuated now, and the fire is

contained. let's get over to rick to see how the weather it today. >> california has been so dry, tents like this today, 94 in l.a. wind are not that bad, maybe up to 20 miles per hour, but the humidity is less than 10%. a big problem here, a scorcher of a day across much of the southwest, getting up to about 112 in phoenix. the other story we have been watching is what was tropical storm danny, now danny is down to a tropical depression and really the center of it is just off cape hatteras there, not where any of the cloud are. off towards the north. all of that's moisture pulling in across the northeast today. this is the path last advisory that's been issued by the national hurricane center and there will not be anymore because the storm has been downgraded now. it's going to continue to brush off quickly across the northeast, and we've got a lot of rain to get through and we'll see some spots maybe pick up six inches of rain and it will cause flooding. it will be out of here tomorrow, so your sunday

looking nice, and today is a washout. you've got to stay out of the beaches, because of danny there's rip currents. towards the southeast, rain the last couple of days and flooding across georgia and alabama, that's gone. the rain returns tomorrow, however, and across the west, very dry conditions tipping still into southern california. one disturbance will pri some rain and thunderstorms across the northern rockies and later this afternoon we'll see some thunderstorms firing up across parts of the four corners as well. thanks, guys. >> rick. >> you bet. >> all right, breaking news now about kalid shaikh mohammed and the cia. that's up next, chris wallace gives us a preview of an exclusive interview he did with vice-president dick cheney. what he's saying about calls to investigate members of the bush administration. chris wallace with a preview next. >> and we'll continue to bring you live coverage of senator ted kennedy's funeral. show and tell you weren't always my favorite day. with all the pet hair in the air,

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funeral service, you see 58 senators, there's tom daschle there giving his condolences to senator kennedy's wife. the host of fox news sunday chris wallace joins us now from d.c. and of course we'll get to your exclusive interview with vice-president dick cheney in a couple of minutes because we want to hear what he has to say about the president's plan to again investigate the cia, but first, we'd love to hear your thoughts today about senator ted kennedy. i'm sure you covered him many times. >> well, i did. i started covering him in 1980 when he ran for president. got to know him quite well and to cover his triumphs and his tragedies, strengths and weaknesses, i watched yesterday, that three-hour, all you can call it is an irish wake where his colleagues, his family talked about him. a couple of impressions that i have of the last couple of days. first of all, vicky kennedy i think by all accounts changed ted kennedy's life, some

peace, happiness, stability in the last two decades of his life. to watch her, really, not just the widow, the brave hostess, after everyone spoke, each speaker she would give them a hug and obviously express her thanks and gratitude and just what a extraordinan extraordinat of courage and grace she has been. and then, the tens of thousands of people who have come out in the sun and now in the rain, to pay tribute to ted kennedy and obviously, a lot of people disagree with his beliefs, but you have to admire any politician who has touched that many lives and when you saw these people being quoted and saying i felt he was looking out for me and either they told a story about c constituent service where he or his offi office helped him. whether they were sick or they had issues with the poverty

and making the next payment they felt he was looking out for him for them, it really is an extraordinary statement, but any politician, republican, democrat, conservative, liberal when people feel that kind of sense that that particular politician was on their side. >> and of course, certainly, he came from such a wealthy family, he knew such privilege and to have worked his whole public life, 47 years for the disenfranchised and the improverished is a testament. but about health care which was really his life long cause, does the effort now on capitol hill become an ode to senator kennedy? >> oh, i don't think so. i know there's talk from a few people about we've got to do this for kennedy or we should name the bill in honor of kennedy and i don't know that kennedy would have minded that any more than when john kennedy was struck down, there was an effort made to use his

assassination to pass the 1964 civil rights act and it was part of politics and ted kennedy loved politics. when we talk about health care reform, we're talking about one of the most important national issues we face, 1/6 of the economy, i don't think either a republican or a democrat is going to vote for a bill because it's bad and go back and tell the constituents, i candidn't think this was going to help you out, butdy it to honor ted kennedy. >> we'll show an exclusive on the interview with former vice-president dick cheney. (announcer) time brings new wisdom new aches and pains, ...and new questions about which pain reliever is right for your body. tylenol 8 hour works with your body, with one layer that dissolves quickly...

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>> we've got some stunning news. welcome back washington post is reporting to kalid shaikh mohammed, the master mind of

9/11 was the cia's and is the cia's preeminent source on al-qaeda, perhaps proof that extreme interrogation techniques are necessary and do work. our next go guest that continues with us. had an exclusive sit-down did chris wallace with vice-president dick cheney on all the controversy that took place with the cia. i can only imagine how the former vice-president feels about the suggestion from the obama administration to investigate the cia once again for their interrogation techniques? >> absolutely. i'll get to that in a second. but let's just talk about kalid shaikh mohammed. the story in the post today says that after the water boarding, after the enhanced interrogation that kalid shaikh mohammed. the naefr mind of the 9/11 attack, he in effect became a professor about al-qaeda and terrorism, that he would give lectures to cia agents. he would literally have a

blackboard and write thing out on the blackboard about what was going on inside al-qaeda. now, in the reports that were released this week, the inspector general and also the cia comes to know specific conclusion about whether or not the enhanced interrogation led to that and dick cheney when we interviewed him exclusively yesterday at his vacation home in wyoming had no doubts one led to the other and i've never seen him so upset, so genuinely outraged as it is by the fact that the obama administration is investigating the cia. let's take a look at the clip from yesterday's interview. >> we had a track record now of eight years of defending the nation against any further mass casualty attacks from al-qaeda. the approach of the obama administration should be to come to those people who were involved in that policy and say, how did you do it? what were the keys to keeping the country safe over that period of time? instead, they're out there

now, threatening to disbar the lawyers who gave us the legal opinions, threatening contrary to what the president origin originally said they are going to investigate the cia paerm who carried out those investigations. >> chris, let me just say. >> go ahead. >> cheney says that he feels liberated by the fact he's no longer in office and he is genuinely outraged by what he believes, one, is going to weaken the country and two, what he believes is a betrayal of the fact that the cia for the last eight years has kept this country safe. he said, looks look, i didn't want to take on barack obama. i would have played by the general rules, the president and vice-president don't talk about the current president. but when he started going after the cia and tactics that kept us safe for eight years, he had to speak out. >> and i agree, dick cheney extremely animated. what i saw there. and dick cheney has lein pin

netta seems as outraged as dick cheney that this is going forward. >> one of the questions we don't know. pin netta alleged got in an argument with attorney general holder before the investigation and swore at him. you don't know how much of that is true and to what degree thr a putting that out because they want pin netta to have standing inside his building inside the cia. i can tell you, i've never seen, and had the good fortune to interview dick cheney a number of times over the years, and i hope people will watch on sunday. outraged and animated and liberated. and he not only talks about problems with brach, but policies differences with george w. bush, fights he lost inside the administration, it is fascinating television. >> welling, that's interesting. juicy stuff, chris wallace, thanks for joining us on the sneak peek. >> you bet. >> all right, 27 minutes after the hour. chris wallace will be talking

about it and so will we. funeral services for senator ted kennedy will begin officially in about an hour. you're looking at family. >> you see harry reid there supported under an umbrella. >> there's 58 senators there, you can see some of the massachusetts delegation, they're headed to the church at this hour and the casket will be leaving for the basilica any minute now, and we will provide continuing coverage. most for headaches. for arthritis pain... in your hands... knees... and back. for little bodies with fevers.. and big bodies on high blood pressure medicine. tylenol works with your body... in a way other pain relievers don't... so you feel better... knowing doctors recommend tylenol... more than any other brand of pain reliever.

>> he held his senate seat for more than four decades and authored some of the most important legislation this country has seen, but today, america says goodbye to political legend ted kennedy. >> what you're looking at right now, outside of the john f. kennedy presidential library and the congressional delegation featured close to 60 u.s. senators are getting into suburbans and buses and

they're going to now motorcade over to our lady of perpetual health basilica where the funeral for ted kennedy starts one hour from now. >> and you saw senator lautenberg before we saw senator luger and many others. >> lots and lots of famous faces, obviously, there's al gore. like to be a fly on the wall here what they're talking about. >> joining us now with their thoughts about today, we've got fox news contributor juan williams and presidential historian alan lichtman. >> let's start with you, alan, your it's appropriate you're peleliu -- a historian because it's almost a presidential funeralments we haven't seen anything like it since the funeral of ronald reagan. ted kennedy came as close as one could come to being a great american political leader without being president of the united states and that's why you're seeing all

of this and you're seeing it of course across party lines. he belongs in the pantheon of senators along with daniel webster, robert wagner who wrote much of the new deal legislation and edward dirksen, the great republican who was a large part responsible for the package of the civil rights act of 1964. and let's not forget that ted kennedy was really extremely important, not just in keeping alive the flame of liberalism, not just being a liberal lion, but in demonstrating, you could hold to your principles, you could be a true idealist and yet at the same time reach out across partisan lines and get things done and get them done in a way without compromi compromising your principles and he touched the lives of many millions of persons. i wrote a column the other day about my home state of

massachusetts, where i pointed out nearly a million students in special education as a result of programs that ted kennedy passed. 132,000 children just in maryland alone, getting health insurance as a result of the children's health insurance prm program that kennedy was responsible. >> thank you, professor. we want to bring in juan williams. we're looking at the outside of our lady of perpetual health in boston. we see so many famous faces, all sorts of congressmen, senators, seems as though washington must be closed for business today on this funeral. >> there's going to be a special event this afternoon as the casket is brought back here to washington. as you know, he'll be buried at arlington national cemetery along with his brother, the former president and attorney general robert kennedy and his staff lined up on the steps of the u.s. capitol to pay their

respects to him and the casket will stop there and they will have a moment, but you're right, there are just so many people who are alum na of kennedy's office on capitol hill who know him and his reach now extends of course into the obama administration, melanie barnes, the domestic policy advisor worked for him. the supreme court steven breyer on the supreme court. you could go into the lobbying offices here in washington and again, so many people who came through ted kennedy. but i wanted to pick up, alisyn, on something just thinking about the kennedy's legacy. i think of it almost beyond politics, it's sort of an american royalty, american family, an irish family whose father, joe kennedy, had four sons, you know, joe, jr. was lost in world war ii, a war hero then of course john kennedy became senator and president kennedy. robert kennedy also became a senator, attorney general and then ted now, the three, he's the last of the males in that family, but what a legacy and

of course, the power of that family and the whole notion of you know, irish people striving you know, to find their place in american life in american politics standing for the working man, the father wanting his sons to be as successful in politics after he'd been successful in business. it's truly a great american story and i think that's why so many people, i don't care what your politics, think of ted kennedy as, you know, a unique american tale and of course then the fact that he was touched by tragedy time and again and had to stand up there, his brothers assassinated and even his nephew john, jr., he was standing there delivering that eulogy not long ago. >> that's right, and then you see governor kocorzine right now and al gore, senator chris dodd all gathering and we're joined now by karl rove. as we try to put this into perspective. you, your advisor, a big time republican, think karl, thinking republican.

when were you coming up wasn't there a majesty to the kennedys, when you see the three brothers together, isn't that impetus to get involved? >> oh, sure, absolutely. in fact, when i was 18 years old i saw robert kennedy speak in salt lake city when i was a junior in high school and you know, this is dominated a lot of the political life of a lot of americans. if you are a baby boomer, you grew up with john kennedy, you saw robert kennedy, saw ted kennedy. this was a great american story. it began with camelot and it ends today with the burial of ted kennedy. >> and carl, your take on-- >> jack nicholson coming in. >> tremendous. and your take on last night. we watched three hours and i was riveted because you saw the father, you saw the senator, you saw the family man. you saw the uncle, all talked about. >> yeah. and you know, it was a great irish wake, you had humor, you had obviously great compassion, you had grief, it was a touching moment to remember this man.

you know, i got to know him when i worked at the white house, it was unusual, he was different from so many other senators. now, in washington, sometimes the most dangerous place to be is between a senator and a television camera and they're not-- and the workman in the senate are few and far between, but he was a legislator. i remember walking through the west wing one day, the lobby of the west wing and there was ted kennedy sprawled on couch with margaret spellings the domestic policy chief, surrounded by papers and they were working on some arcane mine new sha in the no schilt -- child left behind act. he wasn't a hot dog, if i'm going to work this out i've got to sit down with the president and work this out. he was smart enough and said, my lead is margaret spellings. then ted kennedy worked with her and got the details. an insight why he was so successful as a legislator. he stayed hard at the work and

he did the work. if you came to a meeting with ted kennedy, you better have done your homework 'cause he done his and if you had not done your homework he could take your purse and run with it. it was a great thing to work with somebody like that. >> and as we look at jack nicholson there milling around the pews. juan, bring you back in, and you talk with the family dynasty. it seems to -- while the other kennedys have done worthwhile things, environmentalists, they are dooks document terrence and our friend douglas who works here with the exception of senator kennedy's son who we see right there, patrick kennedy, they are not involved in public life or politics. >> not to the extent-- not to the extent of the nine children of joseph and rose kennedy. you know, when you think back to the way that those young people were raised for a political life, it was as if the father, joe kennedy, was--

and i don't think there's any question about this. he wanted his children involved in american politics and he made a mission about advancing their political careers. and got involved in the politics very directly, helping to finance campaigns, helping to bring in all of his business contacts around the country in support, for example, when jack kennedy was running for president. there's just no question about it and he was one who again, to pick up on something that karl was just talking about, emphasized to the young men, you've got to know what you're doing. you've got to know this game better than opponents so at that ted kennedy, the two routes to power in american politics, one you can be more expert in general on any one piece of legislation, know it better in the way that ted kennedy knew no child left behind, new a lot of the health care legislation and second thing is to know the sort of parliamentary aspects of the job, how do you get it done, how do you legislate and how do you do the politics?

on both it's interesting, ted kennedy may have been his father's best disciple. he's the one who really knew the business and of course was in the senate for 47 plus years so he had an opportunity to stick around and learn the personalities and it made him a unique power on capitol hill. >> and we've just gotten a copy of the program for the funeral that will kick off in 45 minutes from now. we understand that placido domingo along with yo-yo ma will be performing a number and susan graham and david christy on the organ and patrick kennedy will be giving personal remembrances annual gi will be provided by president barack obama. and alan, how unusual is it to have a sitting president deliver a eulogy? >> it's absolutely extraordinary. it's extremely unusual throughout american history to do that. and it is a tribute of course to ted kennedy and to the whole legacy of the family.

we have been talking a lot about the family. let me try to put the legacy a bit more in historical perspective. the kennedy family are people who could have lived a life of ease. they could have spent their lives at the resorts of the world. instead, they became dedicated to public service and to the kind of public service, whether you agree with their politics or not, that clearly was designed to uplift the disadvantaged and provide opportunities for americans. this is something i think that we need to remind ourselves. in this kind of sorry day of big money politics, special interest politics, lobbying, and partisanship for partisanship's sake, that there is a different and more idealistic vision and i hope that would be the legacy that we take from this day, and i hope there will be others, whether in the kennedy family or not and there is talk, by the way of joe kennedy running for the senate seat in massachusetts, chris kennedy

running for the old barack obama seat in illinois. so the new generation may rise again. >> right. >> regardless whether you're a kennedy or not, this is a spirit that we need to reinvigorate americans politics today. >> and quick, he could have been presidentme. some speculate he picked the wrong year, ran against an incumbent president, even if your name is kennedy, let alone what happened previously. >> you don't wrest a nomination away from an incumbent. i also think that kennedy somehow, this kennedy was better suited in the senate, as juan said. he was, had a lot of expertise, he had tremendous hard work. he had the ability to create friendships and forge alliances across party lines. he seemed a bit miscast and out of place as a presidential candidate. >> in fact, professor, even he could not answer as you'll remember in that roger mudd

interview, he could not answer articulately why he wanted to be president, which some felt was a big chip into his running. >> you know what, had he beaten jimmy carter for the 1980 presidential nomination, he, too, would have lost to ronald reagan. american people were not going to return the democrats just as the americans wouldn't return the republicans in 2008. >> and we're looking at the basilica in boston and there you can see the limousine that will transport the body from the presidential library, the john f. kennedy presidential library, a sort distance over to the basilica where the president of the united states will, as we mentioned earlier, provide the eulogy. hey, karl rove, i know that you've sat on the opposite political side from the

kennedys and yet, as a politician, i'm sure you admired the kennedy machine? >> i did. and i admired senator kennedy as an individual. but you know, human beings are complex and senator kennedy was complex. as professor lichtman talked about this in challenging jimmy carter. this was ambition and the kennedy machine came into play. there were tensions inside the democratic party. and yet, when you step back, it's as the professor said. this was an almost an effort to wrest the nomination from an individual that was not likely to end in success. and i found is hard to reconcile the ted kennedy i knew, kind to the people in the, to the man who savaged bourke and at the same time

the same individuals, people who do things that you step back and say are inex politic kabl. i remember in july of 2003. senator kennedy was one of the first if not the first in the democratic party to insist that president bush lied about weapons of mass destruction in iraq and befuddled me because one of the people in the fall of 2002, acclaimed and declared that saddam hussein had weapons of mass destruction was senator kennedy even if he opposed the war in iraq. and this is one of the things that i think is most interesting about the kennedy family and one of the things that has caught the imagination of the american people for 50 years, half a century, we have been enchanted with and following the kennedy family and it is because it is this mix of the noble and the mundane. between the, you know, great and the not so great. between the understandable and the unexpolitic kamriplicable a

story. >> great perspective. juan williams, it's true as alan talked about, it's rare for a sitting president to give a eulogy for a senator, any senator. not so this president because this he's not president if kennedy does not endorse him. >> this picks up on the politics involved here. remember, he endorses barack obama at the great expense of hillary clinton. senator clinton. there was tension between the kennedy legacy and the clinton legacy over leadership of the democratic party and even to this day, the clintons and the kennedys have a great deal of tension between their camps. you think back to clinton time as president, you know, what you see is ted kennedy as an outsider for much of that working on some of the key legislation on the hill, but not part of the clinton family and not-- certainly not part of the

clinton political machine and the clintons didn't have a whole lot of love for teddy kennedy and the whole kennedy machine. so what you see is that that's a mainly divide among democrats in the country and as you think back on ted kennedy's legacy, he's someone who was asserting his own rights. of course the jimmy carter time, but he was to play dirty on the-- he was never part of the clinton party to put it mro politely. >> i want to ask you about the faces at the basilica. the one most poignant is john mccain, because they were opposite side of the fence and yet worked together and that's one of senator kennedy's legacy, he's been part of i guess nearly one thousand laws and penned more than 300, himself, with the help of republicans sometimes. >> yeah, yeah. and look, occasionally, he ran against the orthodoxy of his

party. for example, no child left behind, the essence of no child left behind was that our public school system lacked accountability and we need today test our children to see if they were learning what we were expecting them to learn so we could blow the whistle on failure. of the teachers hate that had and furious with ted kennedy and president bush bringing the no child left behind and he stood up to them. remarkable. it's one thing to stand within your party and to work for great legislative achievements that are by and large achieved with your party's concurrence, it's another thing to stand up and say, you know what, there's something so fundamentally important to our country, i'm willing to run against a big chunk of my political support or political support of my party and to do so if some amount of political courage. i remember him getting beat up badly in 2001 over this by the teacher unions and he was, he stared them down and again, remarkable testament to the kind of legislator he was.

>> here is dan quayle who just arrived as well. as we see the rb republicans sitting next to the democrats you've got to wonder they yell at each other across the aisle, but at the end of the day they're in the same business. >> you have a hundred members of the senate so you have a chance to know, particularly if you're there like kennedy was there, since 1962, you get to know a lot of people and you get to know them well and you become friend. you know their strengths and weaknesses, been on a trip with them. committee meetings with them and you know their failings with human beings and strengths and ted kennedy had those kind of relationships, some of them the went over time to a republican supporting something they might not have otherwise supported and also led to kennedy perhaps going something that as a democrat he might not have done. that's what the senate is all about though. being this body of a hundred

people, gigantic egos, big personalities, but none of less thrown together in complex negotiations and hard work, and you know, as a result of some deep friendships emerged from them as you see represented by the people attending today. >> we saw governor arnold schwarzenegger entering, obviously, husband of maria schriver. >> professor, as you looked at the four brothers, where does teddy stack up in terms of the charisma that they brought to the table, the background that they had, and the career that they had, obviously, the other three shortened, but how does teddy fit in there? >> teddy stacks up extremely well, even measures against the extraordinary standard of his two brothers. both of them of course had tragically unfinished lives. john f. kennedy began as kind of a hard cold warrior, kind after middle of the road democrat and then shifted towards the end of his life,

drafted the civil rights law that became the 64th civil rights act. turned around on the cold war and his greatest accomplishment was the comprehensive test ban treaty. robert kennedy then picked up that banner, but was tragedy cut down, but teddy sustained it for almost 50 years. and has had you know, more concrete accomplishments in that sense than both of his other brothers put together. let me make a couple of quick points. talked about the partnership with john mccain and that was most evident on immigration, but i want to go back to something no one talks about, kennedy's role in the 1965 immigration law, which was a landmark importance because it ended those horrible quote at thats from the 1920's that kept out people of my ancestry from eastern and southern europe and was one of the great blots on our history. second point i want to make,

juan talked about the tenninsios between the clintons and the kennedys. one of the greatest ironies though, if hillary clinton had not become secretary of state, but was in the senate today, she might be the only democrat with the stature, the savvy, the connections, the infrastructure to fill the enormous void that ted kennedy has left. right now, the democrats are searching for someone to fill that role and it's going to be very difficult. >> so republicans they don't have anyone to fit at that role. there's very-- in terms of character, there's just no one there, am i right, karl rove? >> well, look, this is big personality and you know, we're honoring him and at the moment of his death. there are a lot of able people on both side of the aisle. >> sure. >> i agree with the professor, there's no one who has-- this man had-- if you worked for ted kennedy at anytime in your past, you worked for him for the rest of your life and proud to be part of the kennedy machine.

as a result he was able to call on an enormous army to capable people to tackle problems and you know, this is a-- you know, it is hard to replace him, but let's not-- you saw, for example, senator luger who fasted by. there's both side of the aisle a man with renorm must respect when it comes to foreign policy questions facing our country and a lot of people like that inside the senate, but again, the advantage of having been there nearly 50 years and having been so attentive to his duties as a legislator, means it's very difficult to measure up to and virtually impossible to replace ted kennedy. >> juan, let me ask you a terribly naive question right now. since steve pointed out, you see here republicans and democrats alone, there's the mayor manino there, standing next to john mccain, everyone is sort of warmly milling about, greeting each other. is it possible that an event like this, this is monumental in terms of, in washington terms, could end some of the partisan rancor of recent days in washington? >> well, i think it's a

reminder of all of our humanity, alisyn. i don't-- obviously, someone like ted kennedy is easily car ka chured and he had human frailties and people would pick on him, even fellow democrats. when you have something like this, when you have the kind of irish wake last night with all the laughter and the tears, i think at some point people say hey, now what, these are human, beings, he may be a politician and may be a son of great legacy, the kennedy family, but he's a human being and let's stop for a second and understand that he had to struggle with his own demons. he had to struggle to try to live up to the legacy of these outstanding brothers, you know, in so many ways people expected that he would have become president of the united states. he had to deal with that disappointment. he had to deal with the tragedies. and why the, you know, he stuck through it and he lived

a life that in the public spotlight that really did bring a difference to the way that we as americans all live to this moment. we could talk about immigration, we could talk about his work with george w. bush on no child left behind, on the medicare drug prescription. you could talk about the immigration policy then and now, you could talk about disabled, talk about family leave for everybody, i was going to say for a second for women, but it's for everybody in that kind of moment in your life. those all have the hand print of ted kennedy on it, and you think, well, you know what, you know, that this young man, you know, who struggled in so many ways and with family and friends and everything else, he still was able to make a difference. what a human being and let's for a second honor the human spirit and that does bring people together. >> karl, i don't know if you saw it, but part of the ceremony was chris dodd and at one point chris dodd did talk

about his entire life ted kennedy was trying to get universal health care passed in this country. and in fact, he alluded to, you know, and when we returned from recess, it will be time to get down to business and what we hope that they can pass something. we will pass something dodd said for ted kennedy and we look at arnold schwarzenegger speaking in the pews of our lady of perpetual health. in the coming days we'll talk about this, but in the coming days, democrats are going to say let's pass this for ted kennedy, the health care reform. >> look, it's going to be hard for a member who say i voted for a bill my constituents don't like because i wanted to honor ted kennedy. and i think ted kennedy would be the last it suggest something ought to be done, and passing legislation just because it has his name attached to t i think that if senator kennedy would have been there earlier this year there would have been a much broader effort to sit down and

bring republicans and democrat together and fashion a piece of legislation that might be approved. i think it's unseemly frankly for speaker pelosi and senator reed to quickly jump forward following the death of senator kennedy and to try to turn that moment in an attempt to corral a few more votes. i thought was unseemly. >> professor, we don't have much time left, but health care has always been a thorn in the side it seems of politicians, this is nothing new. >> no, absolutely not. you know, the push for universal health care has alluded some of the greatest democratic leaders of our time. hair i truman made it a top priority of his fair deal and he couldn't get it. lyndon johnson of course got medicaid and medicare, but not universal health care and the clintons went down in flames in 1993-1994 in their quest for it. let me say one thing that ted kennedy did, after the fiasco

of the universal health care program, he said i'm going to get something out of it. you know what he got out of that? the children's health insurance program that now helps millions of children across the country and is a cornerstone of our health care program. so, you can get something if you know how to work it. by the way, i believe something is going to come out of this, this process because the democrats know they cannot repeat the fiasco of 1993-94. >> all right. presidential historian alan lichtman, we thank you along with juan williams for both joining us from our d.c. bureau and our thanks as well to karl rove who is beamed into us by a satellite from salt lake city. >> i'm sure you-- >> thanks, gentlemen. >> i'm sure you'll be contributing throughout the broadcast, shepard smith will take us the rest of the way because we'll see the eulogy and speaker, annual gi by the president of united states of america. >> in