>> yeah. >> i agree, absolutely. >> greg: you and about four other viewers understood that. >> absolutely. >> thank you, andty. bill schulz, you disgust me. ge s.c. cup, lovely.g by that does it for me, i'm greg gutfeld.on goodbye. captioned by, closed captioning services, inc. we know that that was vacant robinson did not live there. what we also know is that phillip marino had access to that property. he used that property and it looks like he lived on that property in a shed. we know he was there. that is why we are taking a close look at the property. >> as they expand the crime scene from the house of horrors with a 58-year-old convicted rapist kecht his 25-year-old kidnapped prey for 18 long

years. cops wearing masks using chain saws and heavy digging equipment has been looking at an area that now includes a neighbor's backyard. i am geraldo rivera before we speak live to a women who lived in the neighbor's home with her own young daughter casey seigel has the latest on the search of evidence for other crimes committed by bill guerino. >> it has been one busy day in terms of investigation not just because police have released a lot of information but we have fernlly seen a lot of activity at the home behind me as they have been on day three of processing an eliab grat crime scene. cadaver dogs were on the scene as of late tonight sniffing and for signs of human remains. we have seen shovels and rakes and chain saws carried in. investigators have been digging up parts of the backyard while wearing face masks.

it was jies s jaycee dugard's h her two children. the search not only includes phillip garrido's and his neighbor. his neighbor is not a suspect by police. garrido had like were linked to unsolved murders, murders of prostitutes from the early 1990s. the bodies turned up here at industrial mark where he worked at the time. lastly jaycees and her two daughters spent the weekend getting reacquainted with her family has they have been shut off from the outside world entirely for nearly two decades. in an exclusive we have obtained no pictures of the hell hole in which jaycee dugard lived away from society repeatedly raped and raised her

two children from that pervert. the maze of interlocking sheds tarps and sheds he used to reveal from the -- just this past thursday my next guest lived on that proch pert next door it was being searched by those dorgs used to locate human remains. the ex-girlfriend. may bonn would be bin son, of any suspicion of long doing haley joins me from san francisco she used me for her young sun. you met the 11-year-old you met jaycee 11-year-old boy? >> yes. i moved in approximately 2 months ago. yeah, he actually about a month ago he helped me with my car and he helped charge up my battery

and the 11-year-old girl came out with him to help him. the behavior wau was odd. i spoke with her she talked about her sister. i asked if they got along do they fight? we fight but we makeup. i also have a 28-year-old sister as well. >> she just brought that up to you? >> yes. yes. >> did you feel that she was odd in her behavior at all? >> yes because upon moving in i had no idea there were children over there. i had never seen children over there. i knew it was not good-bye the looks of the house and bars on the windows. none of the other houses have bars on the windows. he was odd. he was weird. he tried to preach the bible to me. >> did you ever share your suspicions with your boyfriend?

>> yes. >> what did he tell you? >> i said i know absolutely. one day he came over to the front yard and he was playing an electric guitar for mr mr. robinson. he was standing there said i also have a soundproof booth in back i am going to start recording music. when he said that i had an overwhelming feeling of it wasn't good. that's why i told him that night noi something bad is going on over there. >> what did he tell you? >> i am sorry? >> what did damon tell you? >> he let me know that prior to all of this they called the sheriff's department a couple years ago from my understanding they did come out but nothing was done. all of the neighbors knew about them. i apologized to her family i wish i called police at that time.

>> do i understand you to say there were nice cars driving up to the house next door to you? >> right. they would meet him outside. i thought it was people meeting from his church because he preached a lot about god and claimed he was a christian. that day when he helped me with my car he stated 11 years he was in prison that he was a changed man he was a christian. he said it's not right to -- >> did he ever try to put his hands on you? >> at that point he patted my knee and said if i ever needed a place to stay i could stay with him. >> glad you didn't take him up on his offer? >> never. when i saw the little girl, rarely did i see the little girl. never saw her other sister i only saw the 11-year-old. i could count on one hand when i

saw her outside. it was to get in the car to go with him. when i did see her it was a blank stair. she was probably trying to cry out for help. there was no emotion when she stared at all. oo und stood. thank you for being with us tonight. last night folks kimberly mark and i were extremely critical of lousy police work that allowed an escape from detenti detention. in fairness the cops and parole officers have had plenty of company. >> november 30th, 2006 a caller to 911 dispatch offered there were tents in the neighbor's backyard that people were living in them and there were young children. the responding deputy determined there was not any cripple misbehavior. >> three years ago the sheriff's deputy missed the fact that jaycees and her two little girls were living in the backyard.

it wasn't the first time they blew it. shawn hornbeck is snatched while riding his bike. four agonizing years later police find shawn while serving a search warrant on michael devlin related to another kidnapping. >> while they were at the location they found a vehicle that fit the description of the truck they were looking for that resulted in recovery. >> devlin had taken shawn shop to go a wal-mart caught on tape. a women recognized shawn from his missing persons photos. cops did not follow up. >> it was right in front of me. i was kind of guilty. >> salt lake city, 2002 the nation is rocked by another high profile kidnapping when 14-year-old elizabeth smart is snatched from her own bedroom after an intense nine month manhunt elizabeth is found. just 18 miles from home in the company of a religious lo lunat

and his wife. >> are you afraid of someone taking you away again? >> of course i am always careful i always lock my doors check my windows. >> three weeks after her safe return investigators locate a half a dozen public campsites were elizabeth had been held one four miles from home. austria 200618-year-old natasha escapes 8 years of captivity. most of the time spent in an elaborate windowless dung gone guilt underneath her kidnaper's garage. again austria 2008 acting on a tip police raised the home of 73-year-old joseph fritzl three of the 11 children he fathered with his daughter living in another makeshift dung gone. his wife claims she had no idea the daughter she thought had run away was living locked up like

an animal in a whole under the family home. detective states the odds. >> it is necessary to check the entire life of the suspect in order to prevent the types of crime ever happened again. >> check the entire life of the suspect like looking up whether or not he is a convicted sex offender after he was and never bothered to check that. >> you met him last night jaycee's stepfather karl will be back. because of the extraordinary interest in this case karl has agreed to take your questions live. 1-888-835-5369. politics and the best panel in the business is next. it's what t most for headaches.

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>> the president wrapped up his vacation. he went there to play golf and today's trip to the general store seemed anything but relaxing. the family stay interrupted by near misses of hurricane bill and danny. the reappointment of fed chairman ben bernanke and the death and funeral of senator ted kennedy. the president is back in the whites house facing the prospect of acrimonious healthcare debate without ted kennedy around. a promised probe of the cia. >> the enhanced interrogation techniques were absolutely essential in saving thousands of americans lives and preventing further attacks against the united states and giving us the intelligence needed to find their camps find out how they are being financed. it was good policy and properly carried out and worked very ks

very well. even when they went beyond the legal authorization you are okay with it? >> i am. >> it produced some information. there is a discrepancy ander or out there of what people are saying it produced. we need to strit enthat out. the only thing that will straighten it out is a comprehensive look at it. >> the president was right when he said we to look forward not bark. i worry about the effectiveness of the cia. i worry about this thing getting out of control harming our ability to carry on. i think it harmed our image. for us to go back i think would be a serious mistake. >> john mccain is right torturing is wrong but to reopen the guts is a bad idea.

ann coulter i have to tell you, people will be put off by what i am about to say. i believe with dick cheney another interview with chris wallace says the country is less safe under the democrats that's both creepy and i am to and i a. >> not compared to prosecuting the member members of the prio administration. that's what third world con res do after a coup to go after the former members of the earlier government. this is third world immaturity and juvenile. they are describing -- (talking over one another) >> under democrats when somebody blows something up buzz that -- >> let's get through -- >> two things. quickly, one is your fist point the idea this is torture -- you are correct on. the idea it is torture is

ridiculous. these people were to learn torture from my brothers. the sound of a drill, claiming your family member would be killed. nobody gets hurt. we know for a fact the country was safe under george bush we know most of the information we got about al qaeda abroad and preventing attacks here came from the three terrorists. >> we know for a fact the country -- >> what democrats are saying -- >> (talking over one another) >> bush knocked them back on their heels. we will see what happens. th what the democrats are saying we think we should have gotten information by giving a cookie. to be nice give them flowers torture not the red wine or fish. >> democrats and president obama

kirsten specifically promised we are going to look forward not look back. now there are 10 investigations we are going to continue to probe. isn't dan right about this whole factory view subsequent administrations about the prior administration. >> i don't think it's something obama wants to do. it's not the first time justice department has done something the president is not going to let them do. they are not investigating political people. they are investigating people who are following order. particularly serving about what -- concerning about what dick cheney said they were walking out and operate outside of the law. that's not okay. people can sit around and say they think it's okay. if somebody violated the law they should be prosecuted. is this a radical idea?

>> i don't know. what do you think ann about the foermer vice president saying it's okay if they break the law? >> that was not my interpretation of what he said. what he said was these were brothers approved the justice department and the presidency. this is -- i am answering now. this a was a report that came o five years ago. it was already looked at for investigation. one individual was prosecuted the crime was found. it wasn't from the government. it was prosecuted. it was looked at five years ago to say it is not ethical someone should -- >> coming up -- stand by. you can operate outside of the law no one said that. >> tom ridge has a book out that suggests there was political pressure to raise the threat level to help republicans win the 2004. what does our panel think about that?

>> i want to go to that other issue whether or not to second-guess what the cia did in the press of combat. the healthcare with ted kennedy gone with the kennedy super majority what happened? what should happen to healthcare reform? do you think even teddy would have made it happen? >> oh, no, no, no, no, no. americans don't want -- should i elabora elaborate? >> i was waiting. >> i don't know whether or not teddy could have made a difference but you would have

had somebody tock articulate in a charismatic impassioned way what the president's argument was. >> part of the problem is we don't know what the president's argument is. he seems to say he wants to have the public auction. now we don't have to. ted kennedy viewed healthcare as a how man right. he probably would have been getting liberals to cover and making them feel they can move forward where right now it's anybody's guess he is where you want? >> would you be the reason for him healthcare law enforcement if there was away to push it through in the reconciliation. there are rule of these votes that you have to do to get more than 60 votes. i don't think they could do it. if it could they should push it

through. >> you would say go forward with healthcare reform? >> absolutely. s we should have done that if the tirs place. repaub cans won't get on board unless he did tort reform which he should have. paste in it for the republicans. the problem -- republicans have been johnny tomorrow lately. theme become enrageed by the people with healthcare by the federal government. >> imaginary takeover by government. it's almost because obama let things -- >> that's not what americans think. you are claiming what you need to do is get those republican politicians out of the way. no. i am respond to go your point all you need to do is get the republican politicians out of the way. that isn't the problem. you can keep telling me not only is there going to be a government believer. as a procedurally matter people

have been misinformed. the government is taking over government healthcare in 1994. there is no massive government kick over healthcare. governments are taking to the hospital and looking for the government. that would be a government takeover. there is going to be a narrow public option that you can choose to have if you want it. no one will make you have it. >> you are not going to have that you are not going to have anything. they will be essentially paralyzed. >> hello. you don't have an option of whether to pay for it. there is no question no matter what you will say right now or some democrats to start saying right now that that is why the democrats are aiming for. they are all over fox news saying if we have single player plan in no time. whatever you say fine we can go ahelped and push it through. the americans don't want it.

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scorched state. before we hear michael jackson's voice from the grave as the family prepares to lay the king of pop to rest in a private cemetery on thursday the coroners declaration increases the likelihood his personal physician conrad murray will be arrested perhaps as soon as this week on a manslaughter charge. the lapd says it is also asking federal and california state authorities to investigate the alleged role played by others in supplying jackson drugs. kimberly guilfoyle, mark geragos does that mean they don't have enough to charge the other people in the death just other crimes, drug crimes involving these other doctors? >> the drugs they might have prescribed to him would have to be direct cause of death at the time he expired. right now the information we have from the search warrants and affidavits is these drugs

dr. murray gave him are a direct result in terms of michael jackson as death. if he gave him the propofol those drugs were found in the home you couldn't charge any one else in the homicide but they will be charged with bbiea and other authorities. >> dr. baden joins us. in terms of causation in terms of the propofol killing him, what about the massive quantities of other prescription drugs he took? doesn't he bear and i argue to people about this some of the responsibility. can't murray use that as a defense in his murder wrap? >> if the congress said there are three different drugs involved we don't know yet. they haven't released how much it is. even though propofol may be the most significant if they feel the other two drugs also contributed and moth murray who didn't prescribe to get those drugs it becomes more difficult

for the prosecution to blame it on him when other drugs given by other doctors may also be improperly contributed to the death. >> he admitted giving those two other drugs two to three other drugs he shouldn't have before admitting to the propofol. >> in my conversations with the jackson family they insist part of what killed michael is his isolation from long time friends and associates. one of the men they point to in terms of creating that isolation is the shadowy dr. due may d tu touma. last september 2008 with my next test michael's spiritual advisor june gate lynn the first voice you hear is michael jackson.

>> jim gatlin joins me from los angeles. michael was concerned people were cutting him off from long time friends and advisors but didn't seem to do anything about it. june, go ahead. >> well, i am reverend june gatlin and it's very good to be with you geraldo even though the

circumstances are very grievous. however, michael was deeply afraid of as they call him doctor tohme. this was one of the basis of our conversations. the man had cut michael off from everybody and was taking total control of mike em michael's li. that's not a good or positive thing. >> when you say he was afraid of tohme, did he tell you that specifically, reverend that he was afraid that this maven was trying to harm him? >> he was afraid and he did tell me that the purpose of our conversation with michael taking care and getting total control of his business. dr. tohme as he was called had

some way etched or writing el d elled -- writing elled himself into everything he was doing. i told michael that he had to take complete control over everything because this man, i don't know how he did it but he did it. >> mark geragos joins us from columbus, ohio. is there a possibility the dea and others will bring the producers in as well as other doctors? oo i think there's a distinct possibility of that. they may not charge them with the same types of crimes. it will be likely the doctor will get charged with. the dea will take some type of action or attorney general will. they are the medical board and they will take some kind of action. that is about as sure thing as you can expect out of all of this. >> what about a wrongful death action, a civil action? >> i think the estate has

already drawn up something it would not surprise me, in fact it makes dwig quite a bit of se given what has happened so far it is extremely likely a cau of action it would survive. >> the doctor who said no to michael when he asked her to intercede to get drugs for him. why did you say no? >> i said no because i couldn't do that. there is no way i could provide michael jackson those kind of drugs. >> you wrote a letter to president obama about this problem of doctors essential primping their medical license to become pushers? >> absolutely. michael was in such a vulnerable position he was given anything he asked for. doctors didn't say no to him at all. >> do you expect the president to respond? >> i am hoping so. i am hoping so. i am hoping he will be able to

at least say something and give his views. >> reverend gatlin, will you be attempting the funeral on thursday? >> i am not sure whether i will or not. i don't know if i could even handle such an experience. it's very hurtful. all i am hopeful for is whatever it is that's required to have michael's life honored and taken care of as justice that's what i want funeral or not. >> i think that dr. klein seems to me also to be someone who is in the bulls eye of the authorities. >> sounds that way. >> the dermatologist who said he was treating michael and described the number of things in an hour interview i remember on another network. it sounds like the da has gotten h

records supposedly some of the medications that they confiscated from michael jackson's place were prescribed him. one of the things the da is looking into did any of the doctors improperly prescribe giving it in many different names. >> we all know that's happened. take 45 seconds on this. >> adam wults the guy who was with mandy moore and nicole richie he overdosed and died on friday. he was like michael jackson's in djam's case the guy was dying badly burned began with pain-killers mixed it with crack. is there a doctor culpability there or is it all on the part of the junkie? >> people are addicted to drugs may go doctor shopping. doctors aren't supposed to tull

fill that. one of the problems with prescription drugs a lot give out drugs to patients because they are advertising directly to patients since the 1980s or something. most of the drugs are not as harmful aznar cotic drugs a -- narcotic drugs and tranquilizers. they will go to another doctor and big -- big farm benefits from this. >> coming up back to the jaycee dugard case. you will hear from terri her mother and stepfather karl. we will take your calls at corn numb welcome to progressive. how may i help you? i'm looking for a deal on car insurance. i think i might have a coupon in here. there's an easier way. we've got the "name your price" option. you do? follow me. you tell us how much you want to pay, and we'll build you a policy that fits your budget.

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>> how old is she? 19. this is what she said speaking of jaycees. she is only 29 she has the rest of her life to live. ive i have a lot of love to share with my sister. how did you prevent shaina from feeling excluded or neglected with all of the attention on missing jaycee? >> that actually happened. my wife would go to a wal-mart

store shopping everybody in town she was bombarded. they would always say, have you heard something? have you heard something? it got to a point where shaina really started getting upset about this. the attention was taken away from her. went to a psychologist and had to make adjustments to avoid, try to change it a little bit. >> not talking so much about jaycee in front of her as much. >> it's like having a tv star and signing autographs and stuff. >> alicia from iowa what's your question karl the stepfather of jaycee? >> hi. tull lie i had a couple of questions. i was wondering how you and your daughter are holding up and what is your relationship like with her and your grandchildren right now?

>> my daughter is up there with them. i have been in new york doing shows for the last four-days five days. i talked to her on the telephone and she is great. my granddaughters, i have never met them. this is -- i don't know their names? >> star light and angel. my wife wouldn't tell me their names. >> maybe she wants them changed? >> that could be. she is trying to keep it protected and when i ask her how things are going? minute by minute. >> greg from virginia. >> first of all i am glad there's a happy ending to this story. i have two questions. first of all what was going through your mind when you were seeing jacjacycee was being abducted you were riding on a buys cycle. how did you react to the police?

>> my reaction was total panic. when i saw the door fly open rush went through my body. when i jumped on the bike i realized a third of the way up i couldn't catch him. the second part of the -- >> your reaction to the cops over the years being a suspect? >> i knew from day one that i was last to see her i am the stepd stepdad. i knew what was coming at me i was prepared for it. it didn't bother me. i knew it was part of what was going on. i was concerned about recovering jaycees so whatever came at me i took it. >> mary beth from north carolina. >> hi, karl. since this story broke millions of people have prayed for ya'll. my question is what does your family need right now? have there been a trust set up at a bank where we can send contributions? how can the viewing public help you and your family right now? >> there has been a trust set up we will release that later on.

just pray for the recovery the girls. have some patients. everybody wa wants to see them. this is so sensitive. this has never happened before that i have ever heard of having 18 years in custody being a prisoner. it's going to take a lot of time to get the girls back to being normal. >> true dr. baden? >> absolutely. all of the children need to be looked at medically, dental, psychiatrically. >> what about dna? >> they have to do dna to make sure that the captor is the father. apparently he had parties with a lot of beer and friends of his, they have to establish that he is really the father of the two children. there's a lot of work psychiatric damage had a than done over the 18 years. >> can you brief a couple

seconds on the fact that terri and karl are separated now? >> my understanding is this incident helped provoke the separation and it would be great if the parents got together maybe there is too much water under the dam to do that. >> more calls afterer-d-d-d-d-d.

call now or log on to childrensdiabetesfoundation.org. >> the parents of murdered children wind up in divorce nationally. thousands of parents. these are the ones who are battling to stay together these sets right here. but usually you lose your job like i did, you go broke and you go downhill. the victimization continues on and on. >> people think you are nuts. >> they think you are nuts. you find out who your friends are when your children are missing. >> that's true, isn't it?

john wash-sa walsh said that wh you were on the air in 1993. he talked at how when his son was kidnapped he was questioned he lost his job, they went broke. you seem a solid character. you seem like you will fulfill your responsibilities. >> exactly. i didn't lose my job or go broke but the two are right hanging in there. you keep ongoing. i just did it. >> winter in san francisco you are on the air. >> hi, karl, i have a question for you in regards to the situation that has happened. my brar -- prayers and blessings go to your family. me being a new mother of a daughter, i was curious as to how technology has progressed in the last few decades since all of this has happened. what have you done to actually

utilize the technology to progress in her search? >> that would be the police that did that. i am not looking for her. >> she is found. >> the fact that this guy had a gps bracelet on to me is infuriating. someone says at the end he had a bracelet on nobody was checking it. >> nashville you will be up next. what about the children what about the fact that jaycees had ample opportunity to escape and never tried? >> there is a well-known syndrome that the victims often identify with the captors especially an 11-year-old child. they feel bound by these captors they dependent on life dependent on eating. they have children by the captors. in this instance identifying with the bad guy is not uncommon at all. this started out in stockholm in

bank robbery in 91 when the people who were -- captured the bank robbers then had sex with them and while they were in captivity and spoke out very highly about them and said a deep psychiatric problem. >> let me talk to sean from nashville. >> my question is this, how far did this suspect live from the actual abduction? god bless you and your family? >> 171 miles. >> he made is 171 miles with the child in the car. >> do you know if they ever set up a roadblock? >> i was told they didn't. the funny part was when i called police and did all of this they obviously waited until the bus she was supposed to be done got to school. got my wife from work. my kid is not -- they count the kid to make sure she wasn't

there. >> same thing in 1997 the same community had raped and kidnapped a woman was given 50 years in jail and wound up getting after 10. >> this is something that needs to stop the revolving door for predators who pray on victims and children. they should go to jail for life. >> park ten seconds. >> stop putting statutory rapists under gps and start looking at the real pedophiles. >> wish you the best. thank you, good luck. >> thank you for watching and >> thank you for watching and thank you for your poou

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