of age. sean: this book will be them to the conservative movement. i want conservatism on the rise. >> conservatism house to be more pragmatic. sean: tanks. we will watch you this weekend. that does it for us tonight. thank you for being with us. the news continues. greta is next. . the news continues. greta is going on the record tonight. greta: good evening, sean. and all aboard d.t. parte express. it is here. the bus is in flagstaff, arizona. plus, a sizzler. former vice president dick cheney's slams president obama on tv, and the white house? it is not taking it lying down. this a verbal brawl gets hot. liz cheney joins us, and then, breaking news. police just found something on

the property, of the neighbors of celebrex which of philippine -- of philipllip garrinodo, ande have branded photographs of the two daughters, and this is where it gets grissom. apparently, these are the two children fathered by the alleged captor, but first, hawpe john, but only if you are fighting mad about health care and taxes, and you think our government is sticking its nose too far into our business. 35 cities in 16 days to land in d.c. and give their politicians an earful. we were with them in nevada this weekend.

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greta: we are being joined now from flagstaff, arizona. griff? >> welcome to flagstaff, arizona. just a few thousand people showed up here tonight. as you can see, they are upset. as you mentioned, they are upset with health care. they're upset with the government. they are upset with the bailout. they are upset with the czars. greta, this is an important story. we have been other cities. now, we are in flagstaff. >> usa, usa! >> they are chanting "usa!" we saw more of this earlier today. >> i think we have awakened to the sleeping giant.

for a long time, either people or oglivie is or -- people were either oblivious or numb, and people began to read what is going on in that thousand-page document, and there is a lot of alarm, and i think this rang through this community very strongly. >> one question. why did you have the health care debate over the telephone? are you afraid of the people and what the people really have to say? >> what is the message? what do you want the politicians in washington, president obama to know? >> please us alone. protect this country's freedom, and get back to the constitution. >> greta, year in flagstaff, they are small-business owners -- here in flagstaff.

they are farmers. can i ask you a question? do you feel like washington is listening to you? >> [cheers and applause] >> that is the story. now, greta, we got an email from a man, part of that package we saw earlier, a beautiful place, gold mining country, and he says he is tired of this. all we are doing is to let these folks have their voices be heard. you have seen it. we have shown it to you since friday. we will go to new mexico tomorrow to albuquerque, to the oscars this -- to las cruces. greta: what you cannot see there, i got a picture emailed to be a short time ago from a woman, and it is a picture of

you with denise patterson. she sent me the picture, and they can see it right now. there is griff and denise, so you are not a big celebrity now on the computer. anyway, what about any counter protest? >> you know, we saw a couple of people with some signs -- any counter protests? it said "honk." >> kill the bill! kill the bill! >> "kill the bill!" it is what they are shouting. i will tell you who the star is. it is the america that washington forgot about. it is the america that

washington does not want to hear from, and apparently, these folks want them to know that they had better start listening. what is your name? >> my name is robert, and i just wanted to say, greta, we graduated from the same school, and i love you. congress does not pay social security. we all have to. they do not live by this bill, but they will force us to. how about a hand for greta? [cheers and applause] greta: tell them thank you, griff, and tell them i said "go, badgers!" steve moore from "the wall street journal" joins us. it wow. it is amazing.

obviously, we collect a lot of enthusiastic people, but it does not look like that sort of astroturf. >> this is like an american revolution. you have people all over the country who are attending these. it is a cross-section of america. many of them are independence. it is people who have never been politically active before -- many of them are independents. you are showing all of these signs. it is interesting that there was a town hall meeting in northern virginia where i live, and people were protesting against the health-care bill, and they all had handmade signs like the one you see on the screen right now. the ones who were in favor of it, they had been handed signs by the unions that said things like "health care now." these are great americans. this is fantastic. these are people who do not want the government to be dictating how much money they give for

bailouts, and they are mad about the deficits, and they are mad about this health-care plan, so it is great to see them so active. greta: not that there is such a thing as a typical protester, but i have such a fixed idea. it is someone who does not normally tend to be a little bit older. >> one of the reasons this has thrown the obama administration off of their game a little bit him is that they think the people who protest are liberals, and -- off of their game a little bit is that they think the people to protest are liberals. but they have not been that politically active. a lot of them are the potential ross perot voters that we saw in 1992. greta: you think of protests as, if they do not send me towards." "do not send me to vietnam." -- you think of protests as, if

they do not send me to war -- as, "do not send me to war." >> let's face it. america was founded over revolts about taxes. people feel like their government is out of control, that congress is not listening to them. i know this idea about a recycled congress. by the way, i think these people will be heard from him in november 2012. greta: if it is a huge number, it will not be without an impact. >> in west virginia on labor day, they are expecting 100,000 people to show up. greta: that many? >> yes, those are the numbers of michigan stadium. these are huge, huge events. greta: , are the people in congress listening? >> i think the obama people made a big mistake when they consulted people, that these are

people with the swastikas, or that this is un-american. this is americana. greta: , one person had genuine interest in his political philosophy, and he was called a it -- greta: one person that genuine interest in his political philosophy, and he was called a "hick." >> people are insult that washington and politicians have snubeirth noses at them. greta: people were offended that the ceo at a different idea on how to reform health care. >> these people are having a huge impact. this is truly grassroots politics at its very best. this is what america is all about. these hundreds of thousands of people are coming now. please keep shouting. you are being heard in washington, and they are hearing you in washington. greta: nobody would have thought that deep in august, we would

still be hearing about this. thank you, steve. the former vice president and takes no prisoners. this time, he is slamming the president about the decision to investigate the cia. and then, liz cheney joins us. later, brand new photographs. an inside look at the unbelievable nightmare, the nightmare that a little jaycee dugard faced, including sound proof buildings. plus, there is mortified. the alleged kidnapping report -- plus, there is more.

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>> i think it is terrible. president obama made the announcement some weeks ago this would not happen, that his administration would not go back and look at where try to prosecute cia personnel, -- would not go back or try to prosecute cia personnel. this was sent to the justice department five years ago and was completely reviewed by the justice department in years past, and now, we have a political appointee coming back and, supposedly without the approval of the president, do a complete review or another complete investigation and possible prosecution of cia personnel we could talk about the negative consequences of that. -- cia personnel. we could talk about the negative consequences of that. greta: joining us is list cheney, the daughter of the vice president. for cristóbal, boy, your father

is bold. he is not afraid -- first of all, boy, and your father is bold. >> he is not afraid. this was intelligence that helps prevent attacks and saved american lives, and he feels he very strongly about the path of this administration is going down, and he feels the possible prosecution is a dangerous one. greta: suppose there is another investigation. it looks like there is. suppose they go through it and they find that all of their interrogation was within what was directed by president bush, and it turns out that nobody stepped over what president bush laid out. does that not empower the cia? >> the problem is in happened during wartime, and in the meantime, you have these people that we really need focusing on items like a.q. khan and pakistan, the man responsible for nuclear proliferation with the world's worst terror sponsoring nation, and you had

united arab emirates just intercepting a ship full of munitions -- it is a dangerous world, and we need them focused on that, and instead of that, we have a war between them and the cia, and in the near term, you are going to have cia officials having to hire lawyers, having to worry about protecting themselves at a time when they kept the nation state, and they ought to be focused on their jobs. greta: -- when they have kept the nation safe, and they ought to be focused on their jobs. greta: are they being week? >> i think they are trying to appease their party -- are they being weak? >> i think they're trying to appease their party, the left. we are a nation at war, and in addition to announcing this investigation, they have also

now move to be interrogations out of the cia, it seems, into the white house, although over the last 48 hours, we have that a lot of different answers about and who will be running this. it is a critical issue, and they handled in many ways reminiscent of the way they handled, the guantánamo decision, where they make a major announcement without being prepared with how they are going to handle it. greta: switching gears, the health-care debate. what do you think about it? >> they have put the president out there, and he has got a lot of rhetoric about being able to keep your own insurance and your costs going down, but the american people are seeing that the reality does not match the rhetoric, and people are very concerned, and i think there are going to have to make a tough choice about whether they are going to ram things through if that is not good for the american people have with only democratic votes. greta: i had a different view of this.

you said the reality. i do not know how we can have a reality because this bill is so confusing. i know they are sort of general principles, but i cannot figure it out. and if they carry it out, to what cost? we are fighting over something because, it is strange, he is incomprehensible. >> the president is trying to push this legislation through and singing this is not my bill in the same way he seems to be saying is not my interrogations and not my investigations, but he is the president, so -- the president is trying to push this registration through and saying this is not my bill. in the meantime, he ought to stop making assertions about what is going to happen before he has even read any of the legislation. greta: i think they all need to do some reading. anyway, liz, thank you. coming up, you may want to cover

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did not go to school. why were police looking in the backyard. -- looking in the backyard? could he be a murderer? why are they looking in the neighbor's yard? >> they are looking in the neighbor's yard to try to connect him with any number of unsolved homicides from the 1990's. they brought in cadaver dogs yesterday, and they discovered what they described yesterday as a single bone fragment. they said that back to the laboratory to test it to see if it may have been a human bone. the ball was in the neighbor's yard, but there was a time a few years ago when he had access to the yard. there was nobody living there, and he was known to stay there. the neighbor is not a suspect, just mr. garrido. greta: is there some suspicion that he may be involved in the murder of prostitutes?

are there any unsolved murders linked to them? >> there are anywhere from one to 14 cases that may be linked to him. the one we know for sure his a 15-year-old girl, and her mother has said that detectives have been in contact with her. it was a 15-year-old girl whose body was found at a recycling center. there are also three prostitutes whose bodies were found in a ditch in 1988 and 1999 that investigators are looking at, and there are seven unsolved prostitute murders from the 1990's, and, again, it is speculation that he is involved, and then there are also three missing girls, girls who went missing shortly after garrido was released in 1998, so these could be just old, unsolved cases that police are taking a new look at. greta: what is with his wife? for some reason, the idea that

he has this white hanging around, and now she is part of it -- he has his wife hanging around, and now, she is a part of it -- what is with her? >> she was described as a robot who would take orders and do what ever he told her. what the family dynamic was behind closed doors, i think we would all like to know about that. greta: i understand his father is speaking out? >> yes, his opposite this afternoon that he believes his son is a murder -- his father this afternoon spoke out that he believes his son is a murderer. he believes he killed those prostitutes. greta: he is safe from jill bennett was a heartwarming story, which is, of course, appalling -- he was singing from jail but it was a heartwarming story. -- he was saying from jail, that it was a heartwarming story.

and how to they -- do they describe it? one neighbor made a call one time, and the police showed up, and the police do not investigate very far. is that the scene? >> yes, there was one neighbor in particular that was very suspicious of him. she called the police to say that there were people living in the backyard and just that there was weird things going on and that he had a sexual compulsion. that is what the sheriff came out but did not go into the backyard, although he could have. the deputy could have searched without a warrant. that is what the sheriff has apologized for, thinking that they may have found jaycee then. go ahead? you're saying? >greta: the allegations and would have been 15 years instead of 18 years, and i understand that three years is a long time, but it was still horrible at 15

years. jon, thank you. >> thank you. greta: coming up, that bone fragment that was just found on the neighbor's property. we will go right to the scene and get a live report. and coming up, guess which country gets the prize for being greedy? a shocking story, and this country is one of our allies. a very ugly allegations of international agreed coming up area plus, remember former miss california, in carrie prejean -- a very ugly allegations of international agreed. -- greed. plus, miss california, carrie prejean. carol, when you replaced casual friday with nordic tuesday,

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and fathered two daughters with her. could this convicted sex offender, who is now a combat -- who is now a kidnapper and rapist -- we are now joined by claudia from california. >> well, good evening, greta. that is right. after four years of investigation, the yellow crime tape is gone, and the investigation is over but not before cadaver dogs alerted on a bone fragment right here in élan where phillip -- right here in the élan whereas ... -- in the lawn where phillip garrido had access. that bone fragment is being tested to determine if it is

human. if it is, having several opportunities to rescue dugard, police are now looking to see whether or not garrido could be related to some murders, including in an area where he worked in the 1990's. greta: for some reason, his wife -- i have seen so many criminals and my light and so many murderers, but you do not often seen these sidekick. if he is guilty, and it does not a good for him, what is with his wife? -- but you do not often seen the sidekick. >> yes, nancy stood by and did nothing to stop this a read this situation, stood by and watch, essentially -- nancy stood by and did nothing to stop this situation, stood by and watch.

-- watched. she rarely said anything at all. she appeared to be robotic and very disturbed in a way. she married her husband while he was serving time in prison, and, again, she is also facing a life sentence if convicted on all of these charges. as you know, they both pled not guilty in court last friday. greta: claudia, thank you. joining us tonight is former lapd detective mark fuhrman. what a strange and horrible story, is it not? >> well, it is, greta, and i listened to this, and i think the obvious thing that people should think about is does anybody think that the 1970's rape was a premeditated and so organized, it was the first crime then, and do people think that the only other offense he has committed was the 1991 abduction of jaycee?

that is crazy, so we know he has been active, so let's start there, and if we start there, where are the other victims coming forward saying that he raped them. greta: the other thing that gives rise, and i do not mean to give false hope to anybody, but when you think that somebody can show up 18 years later, hall of the people that vanished every day, and we have got the elizabeth smarts -- all of the people that vanished every day -- vanish every day. bone fragments from other remains? >> first, they have to determine if it is human, and if this is, they have to connected to a victim or they might have a portion of a body or evidence or dna that connects to that bone. if it is not, that does not mean that detectives do not think

that he has not committed a murder. in nevada, when he committed this rate, he met this woman see his face, his car, took her to his fantasy rice location. does anybody think he was going to allow her to live -- to occur to this aniseed -- took her to his fantasy rape location. does anybody think he was going to allow work to live? -- allow her to live? greta: what would she lucky, so to speak? >> well, greta, i do not know these people any better than you do -- why was she lucky, so to speak? it could be a fantasy, who knows?

it reminds me of the movie "taxi driver," where he coveted the character of jodie foster for no reason whatsoever. he just fixated. that does not mean that his tendency for violent, ross, you know, forceful sex is going to be fulfilled by fathering children with this woman -- for vonage, rough -- for violent, rough, you know, forceful sex. greta: i bet we are going to hear a lot from this guy. if he is a murderer, my guess is that he is going to be very helpful to the police. i realize he has got a lawyer and does not have to talk, but i do not think this guy is going to shut up. >> i agree with you. at a certain point, when they bring evidence to him, i think he will cooperate and be somewhat of a star and a

celebrity and actually then somehow help the police solve all of these crimes. i do not think this is the kind of man who could actually remember specifically what he did and when, but there is one thing i want to go back to, and i heard your first segment on this. you were talking about the deputy. i think the deputy is not only, you know, has no blame in this, but i think this is so grave for the sheriff and his department. greta: i was not blaming him at all. >> no. greta: in fact, it was not like he could have saved this little girl? from what happened. -- he could not have saved this little girl from what happens. >> before that time, for 15 straight years -- he could not have saved this will girl from what happened.

specifically knowing he is on parole for rape where he had a different location other than his residence where he committed this rape, i mean, to do that, the parole officer never searched his property in 15 years. that is where it lies, right there. greta: we will have more on that case. anyway, mark, thank you. >> thanks, greta. greta: next up, has scotland been exposed? is the secret out about what scott lihn released the pan am killer? is it greed? and how can anyone have this much graeed? -- is the secret out about why scott lind released the pan am killer -- scotland released the pan am killer? if it fits, it ships

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but first, we could ainsley earhardt in our new york newsroom. we are hearing that hurricane -- >> we are hearing that hurricane jimena is coming, and it is nearing a category 5, and eight touchdowns at the baja -- and it may touch down at the baja peninsula. massachusetts democratic governor patrick supports the change in the lot and has set january 19 for a special election to fill the seat of kennedy, and the primary will be held on december 8. i am ainsley earhardt. we now return to "on the record with greta van susteren." thanks for watching fox. greta: scotland may have

released the lockerbie bomber who killed the people on pan am flight 1 03 because of its multimillion-dollar oil deal. there was a stalled oil deal with libya. the papers show the government reversed its decision to release the bomber, but secretary straw says there was no back door deal, and in the end, the bomber got out for compassionate reasons do you believe that? -- for compassionate reasons. do you believe that? and the bomber got a hero's welcome. we took it to new jersey where moammar gaddafi was supposed to pitch his bedouin tent. you heard from some of the neighbors, and they were furious. many of the pan am victims were

from new jersey, and they do not want -- and their families do not want moammar gaddafi in their state. new jersey residents are celebrating their victory, but if the libyan president has any second thoughts, they say, "do not even think about it." >> it has now made englewood a terrorist free zone. [applause] but lest we grow complacent, we must know that the fight carries on, because my next-door neighbor remains libyan territory, and if one of my children it's a baseball of that fence that they just erected after knocking mine down, it goes into libya -- if one of my children hit a baseball over that fence -- hits and over that fence.

>> we do not mind libya -- if one of my children hits a baseball over that fence, it goes into libya. >> we do not want libya here. beyond that, we do not want to welcome him here to add insult to the families who have already paid the extreme price. [bagpipes playing] >> moammar gaddafi murdered my brother, and menu fearlessly advocate for victims of the world -- a man who fearlessly advocate for victims of the world -- advocated for victims. this is based on hate, terror, and bigotry.

it belongs in the trash bin of history, for the sake of all children. that is where its blogs. kwg[applause] >> rather than having us kissing the hands of muammar qaddafi, the way he did batman, we have told the libyan dictator to kiss a bold part of our new jersey anatomy, a and we have made it clear that he is not welcome here, -- the way he did back -- that man, we have told the libyan dictator to kiss a bold part of our new jersey anatomy, and we have made it clear he is not welcome here. greta: a fire is now threatening to take down 12,000 more homes in california. smoke is so thick that people in downtown l.a. can hardly breathe. anita vogel is live. anita? >> greta, the fire threat remains huge tonight.

there is still roughly 10,000 homes that are said to be in danger due to the fire. there are 53 structures lost, many of them homes, at least 21 that we know of. i am in one neighborhood. behind me, you may see a glow. they have been battling the fire, trying to get it from reaching more promise. this fire spread very quickly overnight -- try to get it from reaching more -- trying to get it from reaching more homes. two firefighters lost their lives yesterday when their vehicle rolled down the hillside because they had lost his ability to to the smoke. again, right now, -- because they had lost their ability to see through the smoke.

again, right now, 3600 firefighters will be on the firelines, fighting this fire overnight. back here live, firefighters tell us what they really need is a break in the weather. they need some cooler temperatures to and maybe even some rain, but, greta, that is not in the forecast for at least the rest of the week. greta: anita, thank you. and coming up, the pressure on it is in court. and sarah palin is flying high -- and coming up, carrie prejean is in court. add another governor in the news is blago. we have a sneak peak of his book -- and another governor is in the news, blago. and rahm emanuel, we are going to tell you what governor blago is saying, but you are going to have to stick around to find out.

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greta: well, you have seen our top stories, but here is the rest. sarah palin, 1000 invitations. that is how many requests as she has gotten for speaking engagements. which ones it is she taking? her first pick was asia, it business conference in hong kong. she will address an investment forum, an annual conference of global investment managers -- her first pick was asia, in a business conference in hong kong. and alan greenspan is one of the past speakers. and former miss california carrie prejean back in the news.

this time, she is suing the pageant. they dumped her, and she says it is due to religious discrimination. it names keith lewis and shannon moekler. she said she does not believe in gay marriage, and then perez hilter called her the b word,k and it was off. they fired her, and they said it was for missing evens and attending events that were not clear, but she says -- and they send it was or missing events -- it was for missent events and attending events that were not clear. and blagojevich is drawing back aggregations -- accusations.

he says rahm emanuel wants to leave the obama administration in 2010 to reclaim his seat in congress, and he asked blagojevich for help. rahm emanuel was a congressman when you left to become the president and chief of staff. he said in november, right after the election, he asked blagojevich about appointing a place holder. a special election is held to fill an open seat, not an appointment, and governor blago says he told that to rahm emanuel. a person was elected to hold that seat. so what does rahm emanuel say? so far, he has not commented. and forget about waiting in line for open call auditions. you can get famous "american idol" style by singing in to your telephone.

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