>> you know what? that's why people want the truth badly. >> thanks so much. sean: that saul the time we have left this evening. as at all times. thank you for being with us. let the news continues. let not your heart be troubled. greta van susteren is standing by as she goes "on the record". the news continues. krlet not your heart be trouble. greta van susteren is standing by and she goes on the record. greta: day number 12, the bus is in high gear, and the tea party express is rolling down the highway, and van jones7< is out. he resigns. rush limbaugh knows exactly what he thinks. you will hear from rush limbaugh in a few minutes, and remember the huge political firestorm that former governor rod blagojevich created? the former governor, he is back, and he is talking, really

talking. he has a stunner about president obama's chief of staff rahm emanuel. the former governor is right here to go on the record. but first, the tea party express is going down the highway to where else,bdñi but washington,? they were at stop 25 in troy, mich.. griff? >> yes, that is right, the 25th stop its started in jackson, and today$fk we get even bigger cro. the holiday, i would say 12,000 people were turning out. iñkoçjgq?mx5>[ó. maybe it is because summer is over. people are back to school, back to work. it was held here. all of those folks have gone on, but no less excitement, the same sentiments we saw. here is and look at what happened today. take a look.

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everyone of us. buildings. >> they need to be open and honest and start over. >> be honest, be real, and let's do what we need to do. >> well, there you go. the passions are still very fired up. greta, a couple of observations. perhaps because the president there is a lot of health-care talk today. we saw probably 50 or more pro- bu!dç[ñipro-health-cr plaare pln folks. this wasñn our 25 stock. what does this mean? stop.

what will this lead to? we do not know. i think with 25 stops, it is it to say 40,000 or 50,000 >americans have stopped by. their themes are very similar. they are concerned about the of thing. what happens if 25,000 turned us. he is the author of a book "saving freedom to go before we get to tomorrow night's big speech, senator, i want to ask

you a question. "the wall street journal" is going to have an op-ed, and there will be sarah palin's first of all, it looks like she is still playing politics, fighting back. >> it is an excellent article. a number of people over the years have introduced common- sense ideas to make the system work better, so i am glad to see her back in the fight. greta: it seems that one of the things that she is hammering on is a point she made earlier. she said it would give on elected officials life and death of rationing powers. that has been the subject of much controversy. is that, indeed, true that the house bill is, that there is going to be rationing? life and death rationing? >> somebody is going to have to decide who gets what when. we are starting to see that in medicare. we are seeing that in medicaid.

somebody at the higher level has to decide what these plans cover, and you have got this huge group of people heading towards retirement. someone is going to make a decision, so it is in the plan. it is in the house plan. it is in the senate plan. there will be people at the federal level deciding what is covered and what is&h not. greta: a medical advisory council. they will be the ones. as a practical matter, we do have health-care rationing in this country. ,1some get it. it is the light for death that she says that is in this. >-- it is the life or death that >> all you have to do is look to the other countries that are moving toward a system that the president wants, and there are and of life decisions being made by the government, increasingly, and as the money runs out, and pj it gets more expensive, we do not know what will happen once

this monster is created, but we do know thatgu the decisions wil not be made by individuals and their doctors. greta: you and the former governor disagree with the president on this, at this point, whether there is this -- z we can see that a lot of the things that the president has said have not come true, so we have to give them reasonable scrutiny at this point not even m that creates something can control it. -- at this point. once it is created, not even the politicians can control it. greta: is he going to peal off any republican senators? -- peel any off? >> he is still campaigning, and i am glad he is taking this opportunity to talk to us and the american people, but i want to hear him defend his bill. i want him to open up the house bill that was passed and

actually 0.2 sections, like the people that have come to my town halls -- and actually point to sections. i do not want to hear any more false promises. he needs to defend his plan and not just criticize those of us who are presenting alternatives. greta: you know what i would like to see? at one of the town hall meetings, i think was missouri, he said when congress comes back, i will go line for line with them. whether it is a good bill or a bad bill, we should understand it, and anyone who votes on it should understand it. you guys, you guys are voting on it, you should go line by line with the president. >> there is a woman who came to one of my town halls, and she took sections of it and read it to the group that was there, and the quiet came to the roma when it was read, so this is not

imaginary stuff -- and the quiet came to the room. once the legislation goes into regulation, it becomes more complex, more burdensome. greta and then the judges interpret it, and that you called the judge's activist -- greta: and then the judges interpreted, and then you call thm activist. we are waiting for the max baucus one. >> we know that they will come up with something and say they have reached some magnificent compromise and that they want us to vote on it the next day before we read it. to put an artificial deadline on passing a bill of this magnitude is crazy. i am so glad to see the american people standing up and saying, "wait a minute. let's read the bill and talk about it." greta: some are saying they are getting a little bit we need --

weak kneed with going with the president on this. >> i do not know if they will stand up to the special interests. all the special interests are lined up to support this government takeover of health government takeover of health care. ic]

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[captioning made possible by fox news channel] captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org-- greta: well, van jones is gone. the controversial green czar resigns. rush limbaugh thinks he knows why. >> i think people make a mistake to assume that the reason they do not report on this thing is that they are trying to help obama. clearly, that is true, but i think the far more motivating factor is there hate for us. remember, the state-controlled media, the american left to things that you and i pose a greater danger to them than any foreign enemy that is armed with weapons, including nukes. we are the problem, and anytime we have success, they will do everything they can to blunt it or discredit it or what have

you. clearly, they are trying to support obama by not reporting the story, but they also do not want to report the story because they just hate us, and this is what i have always said, if you are looking for a validation by fairly seeing fairness and accuracy in the state-controlled media, you are forever setting yourself up, because it is never, ever going to happen. greta: joining us is a white house correspondent for the hill. sam, does the white house stand by van jones? did they push him out? >> no, he decided to go. greta: so they are still good on him? they did not shove him out. they would still like him there? not politically, but they have no problem with him? >> the senior adviser to the president explained it like this. he said that the division -- the

van hjones decision -- the van jones decision to resign goes to show how much she believes in this -- decision to resign. greta: was he vetted? >> clearly not. i know fox news reported earlier this week that jones did not fill out the questionnaire that the cabinet members filled out, and there are people leading the charge to get these czars to go through the same process that cabinet members go through. greta: what is he say? i am not even focusing on van jones. they have replaced a lot of people over there. if they are not paying attention to who is on and who is out -- >> some more googling their own names to see what they said in the past -- some were googling.

greta: even vice president cheney has made bad -- a lot of people have used that terminology. it is a little bit more than just the use of the language but it was the question about politics and whether he is the right person for the job. >> this is not the first time this white house has been caught up in this stuff, and in some cases -- i mean, how long did it take to find a secretary of commerce, for example? how long did it take to find a secretary of health and human services? greta: but they are vetted by the senate. in these cabinet positions, there are checks and balances. something that senator byrd is upset about, you can hire them on this side, and we do not know who is there. >> it is definitely a real grey area in our constitution. i think sooner or later, maybe not this president, but some

president will have to answer this. i would be remiss if i were to say that i was on top of it as much as i would like to be, but they got lucky on this one. it happened at the end of august going into a holiday weekend when most people are focusing on barbeques. i do not think we dropped the ball on the big things like health care and afghanistan, but we may have on this. greta: basically midnight going into a holiday weekend. i mean, there is a clue. >> i was at the national game. i was not paying attention to what van jones was doing. greta: what about gibbs? >> i tell you, stories like this, especially over a holiday weekend, they have a short shelf life. i know i was entirely focused on the obama address. greta: here is why it may not have a short shelf life.

this is one person, and there are a lot of others out there. how many others did not fill out forms? i mean, jones is history, but the media is supposed to challenge the white house. >> like the joke i made earlier, my friend made, how many of these czars are going to be googling their own names? it is out there now, i think it will come out. greta: senator byrd would agree with you. sam, thank you. up next, we need your help. you need to tell us who are the bigger hypocrite about the next report? it has to do it president obama and president bush 41. plus, former governor rod blagojevich.

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>> but at the end of the day, we can have the most supportive parents and the best schools and the world, but none of it will make a difference, none of it will matter, unless all of you filled your responsibilities, unless you show up to those schools, unless you pay attention to those teachers, unless you listen to your parents and grandparents and other adults, and put in the hard work it takes to succeed. greta: ok, here is a showstopper. there is hypocrisy in washington, and, yes, it goes both ways.

controversy concerning the speech that president obama gave to schools, many republicans were outraged, and the democrats, and they were outraged that the republicans were outraged, but here is the rub. president bush 41 gave a speech in 1991. >> at least nine out of every 10 students should graduate from high school. we should be first in the world. in math and science. we need to regularly test the abilities of students. every american child should start school ready to learn. every american adult should be literate. every school should be safe and drug-free. greta: oh-oh. do democrats feel the same way about george bush talking to students as they do about

president obama talking to students today? and writer for "washington journal" joins us. oops. what did the democrats do -- a writer for "the washington examiner" joins us. >> if the president wants to give a speech to the students and tell them to work hard, brush their teeth -- greta: either party. >> no problem with that, but george bush did in in 1991, and there was not a lot of controversy before it, so he goes to a school in washington, d.c., and he gave that speech, and the next day, "the washington post" had a story saying that it was a big event. greta: and let me read from your article. dip a day after, "the washington post" said that it was carefully staged for the political benefit of george bush. -- the day after.

they turned the students into props." front page. >> they could have said the same thing about obama. what happened was democrats were in control of congress, and democrats were upset. they actually started an investigation by the general accounting office, and they held hearings on it, as well. greta: on president bush's speech? >> we do not know what the obama speech cost. it certainly cost something. and representative by the name of william ford, head of the education and labor committee in the house, he held a long hearing -- a representative held a hearing. he was called up to explain what the president was doing spending all of this money. basically, richard gephardt, who was a top democrat in the house, he said this was a paid political event for president

bush, and they had no business doing it in an era of scarce resources. greta: as appalling as it is, when both parties showed their hypocrisy, whether it is republicans going after democrats or democrats going after republicans, when i read your article, the thing i found most offensive about it -- because i guess i expect the parties to go after each other -- is that "the washington post" did a front-page article. i am dying to see if "the washington post" does the same thing to obama that they did to president bush, and both speeches were inspiring to students. >> "props" i am not suggesting that is true. all presidents have done things like that. they held up the washington post article and said after i see this, i am serious questions

about it. greta: the truth is, with president bush, what bush said, it was important for students. michael jordan got cut from the high school team, and both were saying something inspiring. >> a lot of the conservatives who had reservations about this obama speech, after they read it, after it was released yesterday, and when it was delivered today, they did not have any objections. the objections to the obama speech was the education materials that the education department said, asking students to write an essay about what they can do to help the president. greta: and that came before the speech, and once they read it, they backed off. in 1991, after president bush gave his speech, "the washington

post" whacked him, and then they started an investigation. >> it became something about that. we will rush out to see the washington post online to see if they are hypocrites, whether they give this president the same treatment they gave president bush 41 for talking to students. by wrenn, thank you. it is a great story. up next, former governor rod blagojevich is talking -- byron, thank you. and later, it is you and four of your friends. a private dinner with former governor sarah palin and her husband taught. -0- todd

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greta: well, he is back. former governor rod blagojevich has often of a new memoir

"governor," and he joins us live. >> nice to see you, greta. thanks for having me. greta: let's start first with chief of staff rahm emanuel. you write about him in the book. what is the conversation you had with him? about his seat? >> well, rahm emanuel was my congressman before he came to be chief of staff. he and i had a conversation about him leaving. very appropriate, nothing wrong about it, about whether or not i had the legal authority as governor to appoint a successor for him. both he and i consulted with our attorneys and lawyers, and it was concluded that i did not have that legal power, like i did with the state senator, picking one, and we moved on. rahm emanuel played a big role in my book and that he was the first person i wanted to engage to help us work out a routine

political deal that will help us create five under thousand jobs with public works, helping hundreds of thousands of families, working families who cannot otherwise afford it, and a written guarantee not to raise taxes on people. that was the deal in picking a united states senator, not the lies that have been spread about me that i was trying to sell a senate seat for financial gain. there was a report that happens. that was a mutilation of the truth. it is just the opposite. greta: when i understand it, what you have written, it is not that rahm emanuel has done anything improper, but, rather, he has sort of the eyes on the speaker of the house. that is sort of the interesting part of it. would you agree with that? >> i was the one you thought it could still think that he could be speaker of the house some day if he ever becomes a congressman again, and i was surprised that he was going to give up his congressional seat to become the

chief of staff of the president. i have been lied about and falsely accused of something i did not do with a super sensational press conference. the truth is just the opposite of what is alleged, and i was engaged in putting together a political deal that could do the most good for the most people in the state of illinois. someone is lying here, and it is not me. there are taped conversations. greta: it is interesting in talking about lying, because in reading the book, the one who really started to get the ball rolling against you, that is your father in law, and that he started the ball rolling against you, and so i wonder what your holidays will be like, because you blame it all on your father- in-law. >> there were a lot of factors. i reluctantly wrote a chapter about a landfill that a family member was involved in, and i

had to address the fact that they did not have the proper permits. notwithstanding -- in fact, rahm emanuel helped negotiate with what right decision i should make in terms of handling that. unfortunately, when i did that, i had an angry father-in-law who made accusations that were false and retracted them under threat of lawsuit. i point out that there were some other circumstances that took place, but the heart of the matter is that i have been wronged, and my family has been wronged, and i have not done anything wrong. i want every conversation heard. the irony here, it is. thick, is that those who accused me of wrong, from taped conversations privately, they used those out of context. they misled because -- they misled those, and the opposite is true. i was involved in trying to put together a routine deal that would have done the most good

for the people of my state. greta: i got that, and i am curious in sorting through your book -- i guess first of all you might want to tell the viewers who your father-in-law is and why that might be relevant, but are you saying your father in law is a crook? >> no. greta: but you dance around it. your father in law comes out very brutally in this book, according to what you have written, and i cannot imagine what your wife is sitting at home. is your wife on good terms with her father? >> part of the story i write about in the book is the family tragedy that took place during my years as governor, and i compare it to a shakespearean story, and i write about the loneliness of the job, and part of that has to do with the fact that my family was torn apart because i did my public duties, i protected the environment, enforced the law, and i had an angry family member who took a wrong way and make accusations

that he had to retract, but that unleashed his fury on me, and that was a factor, i suggest in the book, in the scrutiny that i had to go through and the administration had to go through and is partly why i am going through what i am going through today. he is by no means the only reason. there are other reasons. president obama and i have a mutual relationship with a fellow by the name of tony rezko. i wrote that in the book. it was beheaded for him. looking back, i think it was stupid on my part. that was a mistake. i did not know he was involved in the things that we learned that he was involved in, and i know the president did not know either, and sometimes you put your trust in people and is betrayed, but the bottom line is that if the people have a chance to hear the taped conversations, and the irony in the end is the accusers were the ones who went to court to keep us from talking about them, but the full truth will come out, and you will see that i was never involved in

trying to sell the senate seat for financial gain. in fact, the opposite is true. i wanted no taxes on people. greta: have you gotten copies of of of the tapes that the prosecution has? during thae course of discovery? -- have you gotten copies of the tapes? why not just play them now? why not give them to us now? >> well, that is the question i and asking -- waiting for you to ask me, greta -- that is the question i have been waiting for you to ask me. they have mutilated the truth. greta: that does not answer the -- >> printing need to talk about the tapes and boarded its you and the public from hearing the tapes -- prohibiting me to talk about the tapes and prohibits

you and the public from hearing the tapes. brit: you said there is a protective order right now that prevents you -- greta: you say there is a protective order right now that prevents you? all right, here is an idea. file a motion that says now that you have the tapes -- that was before, but file a motion to have a protective order lifted, because there are certain rights that you have, as well, so you might be able to convince a judge. >> i do not know if you have any free time, but we'd love to have you on our legal team, greta. greta: is different if it comes from you that the media, but that is another day -- is different if it comes from you. the book is "the governor." it talks about the inside story of what is going on in his life. governor, good luck, and i hope you get those tapes released. i would love to hear them. >> i would love you to hear them. ok. greta: year is a look at what is

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now, back to "on the record." greta: things have been tough, really tough, for many americans. it has been awhile since the country has gone into a virtual tailspin. the government seized control of fannie mae and freddie mac, and since then, all of us are using words like "bailout" and "stimulus" and "trillion" with a t. a writer for the associated press joins us. chuck, what a story this has been. who would have guessed when we first had heard of fannie mae and freddie mac that we would have been in this mess? tell us about the series that the a p is putting together? >> we are looking at the five weeks of what transformed what was a regular recession into what we are calling the great recession. it was basically the freezing of the credit markets that led to

all of the panic that we saw through september and october into those final days when the stock market did kind of a slow market crash. greta: so what caused the freezing of the credit markets? >> well, it was many things. you start with the subprime problems, but it was really kind of what the government let lehman brothers go bankrupt. that is what really said the snowball down the hill. the credit market froze up. it was difficult for companies that are securitizing things to sell them, and that is when the panic set in. greta: ok, so we as fannie mae and freddie mac in early september. that was the first clue. then lehman brothers went under. that was the second clue. meanwhile, the dow, what happened? >> it dropped big time. you really saw the drumbeat of lehman brothers and aig and the fact that the government had to bail it out, as well, but it

really did not begin until october that the panic set in, and that is what we will try to through this series talk to various parts of what we have learned from that and where we are going. greta: where it is going, i guess that is the question everybody has. where is it going? do you have a crystal ball, and looking at your research and maybe tracking things in history? >> sure. the reporting leads us to two main conclusions. one is that the recovery when we get out of the recession, we may already be out of the recession, but when it is declared, we are out of it, it may be schiavo were -- shallower. for many baby boomers, is happening so close to retirement, you have a near- death experience -- this happening so close to retirement, we may not see the spending. that is generally what boosts of the growth right after a recession, but the second key

finding is that if you have a job, particularly if you are young, and you have a job, this is really a particularly good time to be. you can buy a house. everything is on sale. it is a good time to be a consumer if you have got the money and if you have got a job. greta: so it is really lousy to be a baby boomer without a job, especially because employment statistics technically lag behind, so if you are a baby boomer without a job, it is raw for you. >> pretty much so. greta: all right, we will continue to follow the series. sure, it is fascinating to watch, to look at the history of this -- chuck. thank you. >> you are welcome. thank you. greta: up next, the best of the rest. a dinner with sarah palin and the former first dude could be yours. and then, what are people taking

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