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bill: "back of the book" segment tonight's, marc lamont hill. -- tonight, marc lamont hill. i think liberals are going to be not happy. because of the public, you know, they want the big government apparatus, and he is backing away from it. >> i think tonight he drew a hard line in the sand as saying he supported the public option. bill: but he is willing to look

at other ways. >> that is what annoys me. i was a little dissatisfied. it is a door to the public option. bill: there is no way this public option is going to happen. it is not going to happen. >> their reconciliation, where they do not need republican votes, then it makes sense. sarah palin, and subliminally, and he threw shots at the iraq war. it might be that he is planning to do this alone. bill: do you not think that he was trying to appeal to the center tonight? that is where he was going, and he threw a lot of bones to the republican, so the left that once the government to run the whole health-care industry, -- the left that wants the government to run the whole health-care industry, that is not going to happen. >> the things that most of us on the left have been advocating is

for them to get tough, drawing lines in the sand, stand back from the misinformation, and say that if you are not going to help us be productive, and then get out of the way. bill: why is it so long? the guy comes out, and i could have given that speech and 15 minutes. come on pmi talking points are three minutes every night -- i could have given that speech in 15 minutes. come on. "talking points" are three minutes every night. >> that is a tangential points. if he does satisfy anybody, he dissatisfied be right -- that is a tangential. -- tangential point. bill: are you buying this?

>> no. you have to understand that i am somewhat new supports a government-sponsored health care. bill: -- i am someone who supports the government- sponsored health care. bill: i do not buy it. you do not buy it. >> we are in agreement on this point. bill: right up in the air, because while it sounded good, he is not going to be able to pay for the by getting waste out of the system. everybody is going, "that is crazy." does that not hurt his credibility? >> with whom? bill: whereas americans. >> the fundamental concern of people on the left -- bill: americans. >> the fundamental concern is that i think many people believe it is possible. bill: it is not. >> the average person is not listening to the cbo right now.

bill: no, but they are watching me. they pay attention. are you going to hire yyourour pal, van jones. this guy was a nut. white people bring industrial toxins in. in the inner city? >> there is another ecological issue that we have to talk about, but there is an issue that somehow people are shocked when there is an ideological extremists. it is like you are saying -- this is the most bizarre thing. bill: you have got reverend wright and bill ayers, and now you have got johnson. >> bill ayers did not work for obama. bill: he was hanging with him. >> a drive-in movie.

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sean: tonight, the president did his best to try to sell the people on the health care and to try to position himself as a neutral and fair arbiter of the pettitte partisan disputes. he delivered an attack speech that could have been written by james carville. >> what we have also seen in these last months is the same partisan spectacle that only hardens of the disdain that many americans have for their own government. instead of all of this debate, we have seen scare tactics. some have dug into unyielding ideological camps that offer no hope of compromise. too many have used this as an opportunity to score a short- term political points, even if it robs our country of the opportunity to serve a long-term challenge. sean: all right, and out president when never do that, right?

he attacked those who disagree with him. it gave way to cynicism and intimidation tonight. this president lives in a world where only he tells the truth and anyone who disagrees with them is either a liar or a thug. >> some of the concerns have come out of bogus claims spread by those whose only agenda is to kill reform and any costs. the best example is a claim may not just by radio and cable talk-show hosts but by prominent politicians that we tend to set up panels of bureaucrats with the power to kill a senior citizens. now, that charge would be laughable if it were not so cynical and irresponsible -- the power to kill off senior citizens. it is a lie. sean: it is a lie? when was the last time the president of united states called for a joint session of congress and mounted what turned to be a campaign speech. he sounded less like the

president of the united states tonight and more like a primary candidate standing on a soap box at the iowa state fair, swinging wildly at his opponents in the desperate hope that one of his charges would be played again on the 10:00 news. joining me tonight to discuss the president's address is somebody who was there to listen to him, a virginia congressman eric cantor. thank you for being with us. according to the president, only he has the facts. he says nobody disputes them, so there is no dispute on the issue of abortion funding or illegal immigrants, or whether he was supporting medicare cuts all summer, no dispute on end of life counseling or how we will pay for all of this. no disputes at all? >> obviously, this was, for an obama speech, something that i was taken aback by in the partisan nature of the speech. listen. we all know that the status quo is unacceptable, and the

president says that the status quo is unacceptable, but when he goes pointing fingers and casting blame, i think it is just a smokescreen, sean. it is not just special interests or republicans that stand in his way. the democrats are firmly in control of both houses of congress. they just not been able to lead in terms of the type of reform that the american people when tuesday. sean: before we get to health care, he says we have pulled the economy back from the brink -- not been able to lead in terms of the type of reform that the american people want to see. we have foreclosures now on the rise, and they are having to raise the debt ceiling above $12 trillion. is the economy back from the brink, and i just did not see it? >> absolutely not, and i think you will see in the chamber there, and there was broad disagreement on the notion that somehow the economy is back

from a collapse. we have so much work to do. people are so worried about their jobs. unemployment is at historic levels, and, frankly, intolerable, given what this president and this congress have gone about doing, and you are right. we have piled more debt on our children and the last two months than this country has in the last 200 years, and, frankly, it is false to say that the economy is back. sean: he said at one point in the speech that instead of honest debate we use scare tactics, and he says specifically who knows what will happen if we do nothing, that the deficit will grow, businesses will close, families will go bankrupt, more americans will lose their coverage when they need it most, and more will die as a result. is that a scare tactic by the president? >> again, i really sat there aghast at the types of claims

and hyperbole that was used. we need some adult sense of responsibility here. we need to try to produce the reforms that we know that the american people want, and really, sean, it starts with a few guarantees. the public wants, number one, a guarantee that the decision making between patients and their doctors will not be taken over by the government. secondly, the public wants to make sure that there will not be any kind of government rationing or force discrimination on the part of the government. at all -- or force discrimination on the part of the government at all -- or forced discrimination. they want to know we are not going to break the bank, and by his claim denied that it only costs $900 billion, and as we know will be upwards of $1 trillion, on top of the debt we have already amassed, i do not think those claims are even reasonable to assert. sean: he wants the government option, and he doubled down on

this tonight because he is being torn in his own party. some members say they will not support it if it does not have a government option, and some say it is unsustainable, so they do not want it, so there is a fight in the democrat party. if you want that option, and you do, and the government decides for a private company, what they must cover, whether they can charge, what, you know, in every sense -- what they can charge, in every sense of the were taking away competition and the free market, is that not really taking away the opportunity for any private company to compete? >> listen, sean, that is just intuitive. the american people know you cannot have a government that sets the rules and then goes to compete under those rules. that is worse than the fox guarding the hen house, so any notion that there can be a functioning government option without a replacement by the government of the existing health-care system is just a false claim, so that is what i

think we have stood up on the republican side of the aisle in the house and have said, look. no public option. no, what. note trigger. we have got to scrap this whole notion of the government in competition -- no trigger. sean: all right, congressman, we will wait to see this unfold. an governor palin is sticking by per conservative principles and is sending -- sounding off on the health-care plan from democrats. and real americans would react to the president's speech. -- will react to the president's speech. geico's been saving people money on car insurance for over 70 years. and who doesn't want value for their dollar? been true since the day i made my first dollar.

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president made what may have been his final attempt for this health-care reform. in johnstown, pa., griff jenkins. >> that is right, sean. the tea party express has come here to the saloon. >> whoo! >> they were watching the speech. thank you for your service, army strong. this is dr. gregory. you served in operation iraqi freedom. tell us what you thought of the president's speech this evening? >> in operation iraqi freedom, i volunteered to serve. we can debate about why we were there, but i know the people were glad that we were there. >> what did you think about what the president had to say? >> i thought he was very long on

rhetoric and not speeches. i agree we need to reform health care, but i do think he needs to put more on it -- he was long on rhetoric and speeches. there is not much that has not been politicized, and to think that health care is not going to be any different is simply wrong. we need to put everything on the plate, tort reform, everything. everything needs to be on the plate. >> another doctor. really quickly, what did you think of the president's speech? >> i did watch intently, it is interesting. i want to say the correct thing. i want to say the responsible thing. patients do need health care. we do need reform, but i do not trust the execution of the government. >> we are going to wrap it up. the doctors here. that to you, sean.

sean: he has got the greatest job at fox. now, more on the president's speech and how his words are likely to go over on you, the american public. we go to an author, frank luntz, who joins us now. we have talked about the focus groups and the polling and how they changed their rhetoric. choice, competition, security, stability, a public option, not the government option, everything that we have discussed. they are now trying to reinforce it tonight. did you pick that up? >> i have got one more for you. there are now more than 30 million americans who could not get coverage. up until tonight, it was always 47 million. they were defending your taxpayer dollars going to illegal immigrants, and they realized they had to take them out of the pool, so tonight, the number is no longer 47 million.

it is 30 million. sean: our audience has learned a lot from you as we go to our focus groups, etc. there is this tendency to go negative, and he had a very different tone on monday, but when he said tonight that insurance executives are bad people, it took me back because it was so harsh, and it took me back, but i think it was part of their polling. let's roll this tape, because i want to get your reaction to it. >> it makes it easier for insurance companies to treat their customers badly, like cherry picking the healthiest individuals and trying to drop the sickest, but overcharging small businesses who have no leverage, and by jacking up rates. insurance executives do not do this because they are bad people. they do it because it is profitable. sean: what did you think? >> i think he is trying to demonize a segment of the

american society, and in the work i have done, he may have been successful, sean, because the american people do not feel too much about the insurance industry or the people who run it. it is going to cost $900 billion, and i quote, it will not add to our deficit. how do you spend $900 billion and it does not increase the deficit? the numbers do not add up. sean: i have the same numbers. this in no way, shape, or form adds up to the american people, but here is another thing. this is part of a political strategy. my question is this. are we and now -- are we now going to analyze medicare, the post of as, the fdic, fannie, and freddie? we did the post office, the fdic, fannie, and fredi -- the post office, the fdic, fannie, and freddie?

>> the same thing with medicare, with food stamps, the same thing with everything from low interest loans to money for the u.n. this government has misread virtually every spending proposal, and now, after bailing out anybody, it wants to put $900 billion more. of all of the arguments i heard tonight, i think that what is the weakest, and i think the president is going to regret putting a specific price tag on it and suggested that is all is going to cost. sean: making private insurance companies subservient to the state, and here is the track record we have. they have taken of the automotive companies, taking over banks, dictating the pay for ceo's, and i do not think they can compete. is this not the nationalization of these companies by definition

socialism? >> i keep thinking, here is the government that gave us the compassion of the irs, the efficiency of the post office, and the effectiveness of katrina, and now they want to take over our health care? sean, use those three together, and you have got a powerful message that the president does not want to hear tonight. sean: i started my opening remarks this week saying this speech was a glorified partisan speech that i think could have been written by james carville. did you think that he was too harsh in his rhetoric? too much in almost a political attack? >> there are elements of the speech that are quintessential barack obama, where he appeals to a greater nature in all of us, and he does call to that in partisanship and greater civility. the problem is that you cannot offer with one hand and then slapped with the other. he would have had to have been consistent in his conciliatory

approach, and i did not hear that tonight. i do believe he is going to turn a number of people in his favor over the coming days, but two weeks from now, i think we are going to be back to where we are today. sean: i agree with you. i think two weeks from tonight, we are going to say you are right. frank luntz, thank you. we appreciate it. and coming up, if fallout of the resignation of van jones. -- the fallout of the resignation of van jones.

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appointed, is the question i have. >> sean, you are asking the right question, because even though he has been thrown under the bus, there are still people driving that bus and people to open the door that need to be under scrutiny, and it starts with valerie jarrett, who was a key figure in the culture of corruption, the call ciliary to both michelle's and barack obama -- consigliari. she is on videotape taking responsibility for recruiting van jones and from having watched him from his days in oakland, which i think as a direct indictment of people at the highest levels in the white house. sean: you are singing, and i agree with you, and we showed the tape -- you are saying, and i agree with you -- this has been my question about obama from the beginning, his radical

associations, a long term. he has an energy secretary to wants to paint every black top white. in the case of eric holder, it is a science adviser, he is in favor of compulsory abortion and sterilization -- his science adviser. there is another one to support sharia law. >> well, in the case of john holdren, the science czar, i think it is an indictment of republicans, because they were sleeping at the wheel. unlike the other is czars that were appointed, we did the other czars that were appointed, he went through the process -- unlike the other czars. and republican from georgia proposed earlier this summer something called the czrs accountability -- a republican from georgia proposed earlier this summer summinomething calld

the czar accountability. sean: i call it the shadow government. will there be any effort to remove extremists at the highest positions in government again, without having gone through the vetting process or confirmation? will that happen? >> in the case of cass sunstein, he is actually going through the confirmation process now, and there are a few alert republicans that are trying to hold it up so they will not be pressured into ramming his confirmation through, and then, yes, i think that every one of these czar positions is open to public scrutiny, and i think the power of fox news, the internet, blogosphere, talk radio has proven that the american people will do the vetting that they will not do, and i would put

carol browner at the top of that liz. she actually manage to be immediate boss of van jones -- on the top of that list. she has a very shady record as a clinton administrator at the epa, where she undermined transparency and was reprimanded by a federal judge. there was one person who knew what she was up to in the waning days of the clinton administration, trying to hide documents and destroy them. sean: very well said. talk radio, fox news. getting to the president, i do not think he is used to any criticism or question. i want your general observations and responses to this. do you know that he did not say a single thing about how great our system is? about the technologies that literally are the envy of the world? the advancement in terms of drugs and mri's and how we have the best health-care system in

the world? only negative? what about the president's views on health care? >> i think he shares a lot of the same apathy and in some cases hostility to industry. even though there are many corporate shills in the obama administration that will happily take their money for their livelihoods. that is one of my key themes in my book. at the same time that they demonize industry, whether it is health insurance or people in pharmaceutical companies, they get their money. they are cutting deals. watch it. sean: and they are bad people. they want profits. "profit" has become a bad word. it is a pejorative. how dare anybody want to profit? michelle, as always, we appreciate it. a and let not your heart be troubled. when we come back, the great, great, great american panel is straight ahead -- and let not your heart be troubled. us music]

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sean: and tonight on our great american panel, she is the former white house communications director and senior adviser to the mccain presidential campaign. she is back, an assistant professor of political science at a college in los angeles. and he is a fox news attorney and analysts. bringing over to my side -- slowly but surely. first of all, to say from the outset, the president sounds like he is talking out of both sides of his mouth. he gives a very partisan speech in cincinnati, a very partisan speech tonight. by the way, they are going after you if you do not agree. if you do not see the facts as they see them. they reject every republican offer, and they attack fox news,

attacked cable. they attacked talk radio. >> i was waiting for these words, "i hear you." i did not hear those instead, we got a partisan spectacle, scare tactics, bickering, distortion, misinformation, demagoguery, lies, scare tactics, all attributed to tell tall people and republicans. sean: and he said, "we will call you out? " is that a chicago threat? >> morell persuasion. instead, there was unlovable of anger -- a level of anger and outrage that was in some senses scary. >> you do not take it to this a venue to lower the debates, so he went to address the joint session, ostensibly to elevate the discourse, which he has done before. he is capable of it, and the fact that he squandered this

only -- you only get to do this once. you run this play once, and the fact that he did it and had kind of schizophrenic persona in there, i am sure people responded positively to the words. i hear you on both sides. if people want to feel drawn to you, that you hear both sides, but his actions were so discordant, and i tell you, sean, as long as he continues to vilified decent and honest opponents of his policy, he is going to lose the middle -- as long as he continues to vilify them. sean: "we will call you out" and he used the term "liars." we cannot have a disagreement whether this covers abortion or how we are going to pay for this or whether or not it is revenue neutral, as he claims. we are lobbying because we read

it far differently than him? >> -- we are lying? in the house bill, they did have end of life counseling. >> end of life counseling does not constitute death panels. sean: it does to me. read the book "your life, your choices" that our veterans are read in the hospital. -- in the v.a. hospital. >> two-thirds of americans actually loved this speech. sean: i agree with frank luntz, we are going to be back where we started. >> i do not know what he did that is different in terms of policy. i heard that there was going to be specifics, that there was going to be a plan. 90% of the stuff is what we have been hearing, so i do not know what was new. >> tort reform, because i think

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sean: the congressional black caucus says if it does not have the public option, they will oppose it. max baucus says it will not survive the government option in the senate. you have got this internal battle within the democratic party. >> what i saw is, i will not

call it a weakness, but there is a lack of resolution on the president's part in terms of taking on the most extreme parts of the democratic party. if he had come out tonight, as some had hoped an anticipated he would, saying i have heard the voice of the americans and am walking away from public option, and then there would be a tremendous amount of support -- sean: but he did not do it. >> he did not do it. >> some ruppert -- some americans support a public option. i do not think he doubled down. sean: i think he is afraid to take on his own liberal base. >> look at president clinton. his strength was derived in a certain area. what we call that moment of bravery, when any politician stands up to their own base of support, and i think this gives

president obama an opportunity to do this, and this is a real missed opportunity. sean: i agree with you. first of all, he never explained how he is going to pay for it. it is all going to pay for itself, which is obscene and absurd, it just does not add up, but if you are going to tell a private company who they can cover and what they can charge, and you are going to compete with them, they cannot compete. >> it is empirically in eighth to say that he is going to rest $1 trillion in savings when they do not get that now -- is empirically insane to say that. sean: the $500 million he is going to take out of medicare. >> that is the question, is it not, sean? i do not think he can. we are not there yet.

>> he cannot override the congress. he does not make a lot. congress makes law. sean: , and that he leads -- he does not make law. congress makes law. sean: how about he leads? >> it depends upon whether or not there are co-ops. it depends upon whether or not there is a trigger. sean, he is going to be looking at waste and fraud, and the health-care premiums have doubled since 2000. that means we will have a savings and the long run, whatever. sean: i have to say this in closing. i think the president, by going so deeply partisan and delivering a speech, as i said earlier in this program, that james carville could have written -- >> he could have chosen to