tv Hannity FOX News September 18, 2009 12:00am-1:00am EDT
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do not be sniffish. i love that no sniffish. that's it for us today. check out bill o'reilly.com. we will see you premium members on factor i'm bill o'reilly. hope to see you next time. the spin stops here because we are looking out for you. [captioning made possible by fox news channel] captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org-- sean: welcome to this special edition of hannity. live in the central valley of california. this is some of the most fertile farmland in the entire country and helps sustain the entire country in field and what has become ground zero in a battle between environmentalists and whether or not the farmers in the central valley here have water. ladies and gentlemen, this has become a dust bowl. we came here tonight with a message for washington and president barack obama, please, for the sake of the farmers where unemployment is now near 40%, please turn this water on now. [obama] >> hope is in the future. >> we are hungry for change.
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>> we will transform this country. >> we are ready to believe again. sean: all of those promises, all of that hope. and, yet, in the san joaquin valley of california, hope doesn't spring eternal. this land was once considered the bread basket of america. roughly 12% of our nation's agricultural output came from this valley between bakersfield and sacramento. but everything has now changed. today, their water is gone. shut off by the government. and the same people whose cheers of hope and change echoed from this valley all the way to washington have been abandoned in favor of a fish barely large enough to fit into the palm of your hand. the scene here today is more reminiscent of the dust bowl of the 1930s. farms that once fed the nation are barron. the parched and cracked earth.
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it's right out of of the grapes of wrath. thousands have lost their jobs. they line up each and every day at unemployment offices for the chance merely to put food on their table. spend on a failed stimulus health care reform and bailing out wall street banks, the solution here is relatively simple, turn the water back on. tonight, we tell you the story of how a government has failed its own people, how radical environmentalists threaten the american dream and how a liberal agenda promised so much has left so many great americans behind. welcome to the valley that hope forgot. [captioning made possible by fox news channel] captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org-- sean: ladies and gentlemen, you are looking live at the thousands of people who have
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shown up here in the valley of california. they want their farms back, they want their jobs back, and they want the water turned back on. now, tonight, you are going to hear from some of the politicians who are fighting on behalf of the citizens in this region. we will also talk to california governor arnold schwarzenegger. and we will even hear from an environmentalist who is actually defending the government's decision that are responsible for drying up this once fertile area. [boos] >> first we are joined by two people who have gone to great links to shine light on this crisis. comedian and radio talk show host -- >> thank you, sean. sean: they told me seven miles back they can't even get. in folks, paul, have you been in this now, in this fight, this battle that has been going on for far too long. there has been a natural drought. >> they have all this water they are sending to the ocean rather
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than the farms because of this little smelt. what's going on? >> sean, i am glad you are here, less than half a mile away from us there is a canal full to the brim of water. right next you see fields that are dry that should be fertile right now. you know, i know in my heart that when the american farmer realize in iowa and the other parts of america they realize that we need help, they will come to our aid simply because whenever our enemies get into trouble, if north korea right now were to have an earthquake, i know that the first plane would be an american plane with aid there that would allow us to land, right? [cheers and applause] >> if we would have that kind of generosity towards our enemies, what would we do for ourselves? [cheers and applause] sean: i think -- you are the farmers that have sustained the entire country for decades. we have generations of farmers here inga. they are losing their farms. we have hundreds of thousands of acres. i met people earlier who now are on food lines because their
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farms have been shut down. >> that, to me, is the part that is most immoral thing about all of this. we really are in the bread basket of the world. we feed the world. our food goes to third world countries and helps people. we are their main staples, we feed people here. we have our own standing in food lines and the food is coming in creates -- crates that say products of china? it's stunning. >> it's a bad joke. there is no need for. this we are not asking the government for a a rebate. we are north asking for hand out. we don't want to turn in our old trucks because they work just fine. we want to farm. [cheers and applause] sean: there is a political side to this, paul. by the way, we won't hold it against paul, but you supported barack obama. >> you have to bring that up. sean: i would like to put aside politics because if barack obama allows, tells his environmental extremists in his administration to stand down and turn the water
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on, he will get the first credit from me, ok? >> likewise. >> you have reached out to the president. >> we have, sean, right behind you we have a letter that we wrote to the current administration saying we realize you came in at a time when you didn't have it all. we understand you came in handicapped. we are giving you the benefit of the doubt. i still have respect for the office of the president. behind me is a signed by every single mayor of every community in the san joaquin valley. i think that should get some kind of attention. sean: he just appointed this guy sun stein that is such an environmental extremist that he wants to ban hunting and he says that animals ought to have human representation in court. >> you couldn't write this. this is why i know that people who look more into the issue -- they are making that up. ladies and gentlemen, we north making this up. i'm so glad you are here. the very person -- you know senator feinstein came here and had david hayes, the
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undersecretary. >> interior. sean: salazar came out here. nothing happened had? >> nothing happened. look at our fields. >> let me add, sean, i'm sorry, president obama never visited here when he was running and he never visited here since. he knows what's happening here. he sends his people out. he makes his promises. sean: the big issue. >> would he have not have gone to katrina the day after? sean: this really comes down to. -- in the course of this program we are going to get into the specifics of this. literally the environmentalists and interior department they have all made a decision that, for example, the water can be pumped here. >> through here. sean: to defend this little two inch delta smelt fish. they have decided that the farmers come second and the delta smelt comes first. >> i, in my heart, i can't find all the reasons. in my heart i believe that maybe the president hasn't seen. this i'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. sean: how long does he get the benefit of the doubt? >> we don't have much time. i still hold hope that at least
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he would look at a document. but, if that doesn't happen, no other choice but to scream loud. sean: we have got, literally, we have the evidence of farmers now that have been providing food in some cases for generations, parsed on from generation to jerks. they are waiting for food. how much longer do we have to wait until they turn the water on? >> ironically environmentalists that hate development and growth, guess what happens to farmers who can't use their land they sell it to build houses on it. >> who would want to live with no water. i can't wait to buy a house. [ laughter ] >> this is the san joaquin valley. without a doubt, the most fertile, this is the land of canaan. this is the most fertile valley on this planet. this valley would feed the world. all we want is water. >> that's all we want. >> i have some numbers. sean: you guys grow more -- >> we are the capital of everything. capital of cantaloupes is here. sean: almonds, cantaloupes,
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olives, grapes, strawberries. >> keep talking. >> lettuce. >> now the only thing that grows here is despair. we have a good crop of that. sean: i want you to call -- you voted for barack obama. >> you are not going to let this go away. sean: i want you to look into the camera right there. you talk to the president you voted for, the guy that's promised hope and change. what do you say to him? >> mr. president, with all due respect, we pray that you will read our letter and look at our dilemma. we don't want you to give us a loan. we didn't do anything wrong. we did everything right. we grew more food than anybody else with less water. and for that, our reward was you cut the water off. come on, what's up? [cheers and applause] >> thank you, sean. thank you for doing. this. sean: coming up, we vch more coming up on the program from the valley that hope forgot. including a special interview. joined by california governor arnold schwarzenegger and much more. stay with us straight ahead.
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sean: we're live here in central valley, california tonight in the valley that hope forget. farms in this once fertile area have been dried up all because the government has put the interest of a two inch minnow before all the great people that you see out here tonight. congressman, you told me they backed up nine miles. they can't get in here. it's time to turn the water back on. bring jobs back to this great area. joiningjoining me now are threen determined to make that happen. california congressman, devin
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noonez and john thank you for being here. [boos] sean: i want to show you guys something here. then i'm going to show the crowd. this is what this comes down to. no water for the farmers because of this fish. is that what it is? this fish here? [boos] >> that's what it is, sean. >> so a lot of people ask what can we do? all your viewers all over the country. what i want to make sure that people understand is, we are at the center of this. we are so close to the bay area. the liberals and environmental groups have been working on this for decades. they have been trying to turn this into a desert and they have succeeded. viewers can understand this can happen to you. they are on their way. nancy pelosi is the speaker of the house. george miller is her lieutenant. they are on their way to the rest of america. so what can do? what can the american people watching your show tonight do? we have seven attempts in the congress this state your name try to get the pumps turned back on permanently. seven attempts and every single
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time the speaker of the house killed those attempts. [boos] sean: congressman? >> one of the things -- we're going to have governor schwarzenegger on later in the program tonight. now, he tried to work with the interior secretary salazar who came out here and then they -- they ended up sending him a letter basically scolding him. there seems to be one -- in the endangered species act of 1978, there seems to be one provision called the god squad that can intercede if an economic emergency is called. explain that process. >> the president under the authority of the endangered species act can convene a god squad and can say that little fish can go extinct for the sake of the economy. the administration refuses to do it. and so they will be drug kicking and screaming, trying to get those pumps back on and that's why you being here is so important and for us to keep raising this issue to force them to do it. sean: i understand, congressman, as many as 38 million people are impacted in total here.
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that means, for example, the owner of the farm, is he impacted for obvious reasons. the rest of the country we don't get the produce that is produced here. how many jobs are lost in the process? >> absolutely, sean. we want to thank you for being here. the fact of the matter is we have a water system that was designed for 20 million people. we have 38 million people living in california. this is part of the problem. you have got a situation where 125,000 gallons of ammonia is being dropped into the delta. this is the primary cause of killing those fish. the fact of the matter is, senator feinstein and i have asked the secretary of interior to take a process on the biological opinion. because it doesn't take into account the 125,000 gallons of ammonia that's been there my family has been farming in this valley for three generations. i'm farming today without water. this valley is a desert. sean: all right. i want to go through -- you mentioned earlier, congressman.
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you mentioned earlier, congressman, the idea that, you know, you brought this seven separate times to nancy pelosi. nancy pelosi is in california. certainly she could see what's happening, this area is getting burned out. you know, i would think this is one of these issues where you really could find bipartisan agreement. >> because the radical environmental movement started in the area. what you have is you have this movement that's been going on for decades. they control the democratic party. that's the problem here. and that's why i want to warn people, this can happen somewhere else. the point that i would like to make, nowhere in the world does a democracy -- has a democracy ever starved its own people of water. you know what country does that? sim back way does that. zimbabwe does that when i was a kid we used to lay down in the flower bed, it was nice and cool. come into work. just a couple weeks ago i was out here and they were grown men at 3:00 in the afternoon
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sleeping in flower beds to stay cool. you know why? they can't afford to turn electricity on. 40,000 people without jobs. sean: let's talk, specifically, congressman, what is the next step? because i know people here have been fighting for a long time. i know the governor has made every appeal possible. what can happen next or do these farms go dry? do these generations of farmers get thrown off the land that they have cultivated all these years. >> sean, behind you ask s. a letter signed by 52 of the mayor's in the valley representing over 3 million citizens. a letter to the president inviting him to come out to the valley and visit firsthand on the ground to see the devastation of this reckless endangered species act. we think if he were able to come out here and see this, he could provide impetus in the administration and make these changes and get the pumps flowing. sean: i have got to say something. i know this will seem controversial, what a shock. but, you know something, this is almost like we talk about death panels with health care.
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this is the death panel for farming because farmers don't have water. [cheers and applause] >> sean, let me tell you. sean: if farmers don't have water, they can't do their jobs any longer. >> let me tell you. this you know how we are overly dependent on oil. it's going to happen the same with food because of the endangered species act and radical environmentalists. we will be relying on other countries to provide our food. sean: even though we have the most fertile ground in the world we will be importing groceries. >> we are at ground zero here. the two critical issues in the 21st century are energy and water. water is now being sacrificed here. the farmers and the farm workers are being impacted. i have got 30%, 40% unemployment in my district here. we appreciate your support. sean: thank you, guys. thank you for being here. we appreciate it. coming up, actor and our own ainsley earhardt will be here to tell us why and explain in all the detail why this crisis will effect every single solitary
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definitely i have seen major differences. it has just gotten worse. we were at the foodbank today. i i will show you some of that video. sean is right. it's not effecting just these farmers. i'm from the east coast. it's effecting you guys as well. i will tell you how. take the tomato, for example. we were at a tomato farm it provides tomato sauce, tomato paste, ketchup to your family 40% of the world's process tomatoes comes out of fresno, california where we are right now. when this region is effected, so are you. it truly takes a village to get all these tomatoes from the vine to your kitchen table. if the tomato tarmer is out of work the truck driver who delivers the tomato to the pizza sauce plant ketchup company is out of work as well. that effects the nice guy who cans jars or boxes the sauce. the business to ho distributes it and then you who wants to make pizza or spaghetti sauce tore four your family. if we have to start importing from china to south america prices are going to go up for you and more jobs out here will
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be lost. unemployment is already bad. sean, i told you we were at the foodbank earlier, the community foodbank, this is what you are seeing now, where they are feeding 30,000 people every month. through an executive order, the governor out here allocated state money to start this foodbank. each eligible family gets to go through the line every two weeks weeks. a family of eight gets 320 pounds of food every two weeks. loaded on to movable pallets and put all the food into the recipients' cars. we talked to one lady. her story broke my heart. she was in line at 3:00 a.m. she was number 51 in line. the foodbank opened this morning at 9:00. she was there for six and a half hours. listen to her story. >> we had the need right now. there is no work. my husband is down at three days a week that he works. his pay went to half of what he earned. so we really need this food. >> when you wake up every day, what goes through your mind? >> well, another day we made it and i thank god every day that
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this food is here for us. because, you know, i don't have extra money to go to the grocery and put in all the food, you know. sometimes i buy a piece of meat to add to the vegetables and stuff, but mostly, what they give us. >> do you ever shed tears over this? >> every day. every day. >> why the tears? >> it's a lot of people need this help. and i wish there was more for them. >> turn the water back on! >> you can believe this is america? i'm sure her story touched you like it did me. we also visited this farm. this is anderson farms where many of your fruits and vegies are grown here in america. it's a fourth generation farm and the water shortage is costing them. the farmer has to fire -- has had to fire some of the staff and staff members who worked for his grandfather. 20% of the farm is fall lowed. they had to bed out the entire tomato field and it is empty and idol land now.
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the mechanic who works on this farm says he is worried about his job. he has kids and lots of sleepless nights. >> how long have you been working on this farm? >> over 33 years. >> 33 years? >> yes. >> ha are your fears? >> well, losing my job. i lost a couple friends of mine that worked here for 20 years or more. >> really? >> so. >> where did they go? >> up north. some did. looking for more jobs. but it's tough all over. >> it's tough? >> yes. >> you have a family to feed? >> yes, i do. >> how many kids do you have? >> i have got four kids. >> four kids. so if you lose your job it's devastating? >> it's going to be tough. >> we have heard people -- they are saying that the government is choosing this fish over families. >> they are. i don't know. it's not right. so that's not right. >> you know, these people grew up just like you and i did. they had hopes and dreams. they wanted to put food on the table for their family, be successful. these are americans. these are individuals and they are hurting out here. they don't want to wait in line at a foodbank for six and a half
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hours. they don't want to cry themselves to sleep. this is a serious issue and it's effecting so many people. i have been out here several times for this story. and every single time it touches me and breaks my heart. and, you know, i just want the best for these folks out here. this is considered the bread basket of america. let me tell you why. here is a basket that some of the nice farmers put together for us. the watermelons the lettuce, all the almonds in your house in america or the 99% of them grown right here in this farmland. [cheers and applause] tomatoes grown here, cotton grown here. they really need your help. alan autrey who is an actor. i know you recognize him. also former mayor of fresno. he is here to tell us how this is effecting him. i understand you actually worked these farm lands at one point. >> yeah, ainsley, i did. this very field that we are in right now. [cheers and applause] >> use offed to be tomatoes and my dad and my mother both and i used to work these fields. and, you know, sean, i want to say god bless you for covering this. sean: it's great to be here. >> i really mean that.
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[cheers and applause] sean: i never saw an issue that was so simple. just turn the water on. >> with that message has -- there is a very powerful forces at work here. there -- it's not paranoia if they are really after you. i made a statement not too long ago and i stand by it and i will stand by it today. you saw evangeline that and joe, turning this water off is not just bad politics, it's an act of domestic terror. [cheers and applause] sean, the last thing i want to do is come here and do over the top. let me tell you why that is. as mayor for eight years. i worked with homeland security after 9/11. one of the things we were charged with by the federal government was to work together locally to protect the water supply. to farming communities so they could continue to provide food for the nation. now, if you would have told me that those -- that water would
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have stopped, i would have believed maybe al qaeda struck, north the federal government. [cheers and applause] sean: let me ask you this. this really -- we are going to talk to the governor. he said in many interviews if he had the power he would turn the power back on tomorrow. what do you say -- what do you say to the president? >> that's where -- i tell you, this may be -- i think the governor has led the way on this water issue. there is a limit to what he can do. the president president obama, with all due respect to my buddy paul rodriguez. i am not going to cut him slack. he knows full-well what is happening here as does nancy pelosi and george miller. they could care less about the water coming to this valley. sean, they would rather see it become a solar farm than a food farm. sean: thanks for being with us. appreciate it thank you very much. don't go anywhere, folks. coming up next, we are going to be joined by the governor of the great state of california, governor schwarzenegger coming up next. he will tell us what he is doing to respond to the crisis taking place right here in the valley
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[cheers and applause] sean: we are live tonight from this san joaquin valley. we're in california where the government has turned off the water now forcing countless farmers into unemployment and food lines. joining me from sacramento is the governor of the great state of california governor schwarzenegger is here. thank you for being here. thank you. >> thank you very much, sean. for covering this very important story. sean: governor, you have said that if you had the power, you would turn on the water tomorrow. you have brought out the interior secretary sole caesar, you got sole sole caesar. >> we have a terrible crisis on our hands. and this is a crisis not because of some disaster. it's a crisis self-inflicted. this is something that the federal government is doing to us. we have done, like you said, everything in the book to convince them otherwise. and to turn on the water. but all they are doing is is just letting us know that this
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is impossible to do and do whatever you want, you are on your own. and they are not going to help us. and i think that it is a horrible situation to have, you know, federal judge interfering with all of, this federal judges for the salmon, federal judges for the smelt. where is the federal judge for the farmers, that's what i'm asking myself. where are the federal judges for providing our food and providing jobs and helping our state? that's what i'm asking for. so i think the federal government has had a good relationship with us. we have had a good working relationship with them. but, in this particular case, they have absolutely screwed up in the worst way. [cheers and applause] sean: governor, let me ask you this. because this impacts over 3 million people. you had -- 38 million people. you brought out secretary salazar. you got a letter back scolding you. in that letter they went on to stay attack california's water infrastructure. they were disappointed that your letter would attempt to lay
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blame for the california water crisis on the feet of agency's scientists. now, my question is, governor, have you had any opportunity to talk to the president of the united states to tell his interior secretary and others in his administration to turn the water back on and are you planning to talk to the president specifically about this? >> yes. first of all, i'm planning to talk to the president about this and i have many, many times talked to the interior secretary and to others. and, you know, we have done everything that we can. writing the letters, bringing the political leaders out to our -- the valley and to show them firsthand the 40-plus percent unemployment rate, the way the people are suffering. how we have, you know, hand out foods to them. how they have no way of making a living or anything like this. this is not only just in the local area or in the valley. i mean, this limits us in the amount of food that we can produce in california and the valley specifically always been
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the place that, you know, feeds the world. so, we are being handicapped here by federal judges and this is the terrible thing about it. in the meantime, i think it's also important for you to note that we are moving ahead here in sacramento because we have been negotiating for years to create a water infrastructure to bring our water infrastructure up to date because we have now 38 presidential people in california. the last infrastructure that you see now that was done was done when we had around 18 million people. so we are very close to coming to an agreement and i have great hopes that it can get that done so we can build infrastructure, build above the ground and below the ground water storage and also fix the delta and do the kind of things that we need to do. but we have got to stop choosing the smelt and the salmon over the people and over farming. sean: governor, let me ask you this question. because i'm listening to the crowd here. and i spent a lot of time, i walked a number of the fields today. i mean, it's becoming a dust
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bowl and the political back and forth has gone on and on and on. what emergency measures do you think as governor of the great state of california do you think is your next step to help this problem sooner rather than later? what do you think you can do next? we have this 1978 endangered species act. they have the god squad provision. what do you think you can do next and how soon do you think you can accomplish it, sir? >> the god squad provision we had thought that through because, believe me, that would work, i would do that immediately. but it doesn't work because it takes years to come to a solution. and those five times they have tried that. four times it failed. so this is not the right way to go. believe me, otherwise i would have done it already a long time ago. [chanting turn the water on] sean: if i could just ask. i believe this is an important question. considering, governor, that you don't have the power to do this,
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considering that you are now in a little bit of a political battle with the cabinet. president obama has said so many times in so many different public speeches that he has an open door policy. would it be possible, perhaps, i mean, look, he found time to have a beer with professor gates. would it perhaps, be possible for you to fly to washington and sit down and explain the plight of these farmers and loss of jobs and maybe sooner than later meet with him and see if we can get this resolved sooner. is that something you would be willing to do. i'm asking are you willing to go there sooner than later and would you ask the president on this program tonight to meet with you over a beer and a cigar and bring water here? [cheers and applause] >> well, sean, i think that i made it very clear that i will do whatever it takes to make sure that we turn on the water as quickly as possible so we can go back into the farming and produce the food and create
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jobs. because that is the number one priority for me. sean: all right. governor arnold schwarzenegger. thank you for being with us. we appreciate your time tonight. we will continue to follow the story obviously. now, believe it or not, we actually found somebody who supports the actions of the government putting their priority on the delta smelt. [boos] sean: literal live would put that fish above the farmers and their ability to make a living for themselves and their family. when we go back, we will go head to head. the hannity debate is straight ahead. stay with us. =
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their jobs, their farms have dried up because the government want to protect a species of fish known as the delta smelt. despite the terrible, terrible crisis facing this area, they are actually environmentalists out there who are still defending this 2-inch minnow. and i'm joined by one of them right now. on remote from san francisco, california is. [ laughter ] sean: executive director of the pacific coast federation of fisherman's zeek greater. i'm sitting here and i'm meeting farmers that have farmed for generations and they can't farm any longer. i'm meeting farmers that want to work and workers, this effects 38 million people. and they can't get the water and you are going to tell these people that you are going to keep the water off to defend this little delta smelt fish. can you explain why? >> sean, i think what you have to realize is we're not just talking about the delta smelt. we are also talking about
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salmon. these salmon are food that provide jobs for people. [boos] >> you need to come up and provide some balance here. i want you to come up to the north coast, the place where i'm from, fort bragg, not from your studios are from. come to eureka and visit with the unemployed fishermen there and give this some balance. because, let me tell you. the delta smelt did not cause a problem for those farmers. >> shut his water off. sean: this is about farmers that are starving and you seem to care more about a 2-inch minnow than do you about these people that have farmed for generations. and you don't seem to have any concern about them. why? i want to know why. >> sean, i -- sean, i care about them but that 2-inch minnow, nor those salmon caused the problem. now, listen and listen carefully, sean. their problem came about because of the drought this year. there is a drought this year and
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those very same growers are selling out their water to southern california. one of the companies there just made $77 million by selling their water to southern california, putting people in that valley out of work. don't tell me about the delta smelt, sean. sean: hey, zeek, you are going to blame these farmers because they don't have the water? that food feeds all of america. you are going to look in the camera and blame them? try to explain that one. >> sean, sean, the problem is the delta smelt did not cause those water shortages. listen and listen carefully because apparently somebody there is deaf. deaf. sean: the problem is is that the water has been turned off because environmental whackos and extremeists like you care more about the fish. [. [cheers and applause] sean: than they do about people.
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i wanted to know how did you get your priorities so screwed up in life? what happened to you? >> well, sean, first of all, i would like to know what happened to your hearing because obviously you can't hear very well. but i want you to come up and talk and tell fishermen in places like eureka, fort bragg, kuz bay why they have been out of work now for two years. because, because, because of water policies in the delta. can you basically say you don't -- no, you are north saying that. sean: you are not understanding, these people aren't eating. have you gotten some areas 40% unemployment and farmers that have fed us for all these years are waiting on food lines and i'm all for a solution that will help the farmers, the fishermen, and how to save the environment but shutting off the water, sir, is not the answer to the problem. that's what you are not understanding. [cheers and applause]
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we have got to run. ladies and gentlemen. there you have it, the fish is more important than you. >> sean, all i have to say i want you to come up to the north coast. i want you to come down here and say it to the farmers right here. >> i have been there. i have been there, sean. i have seen what's happened. sean: come on back. come on back. >> all the -- been plowed under because the growers sold the water south. go seat hair teenage foundation. sean: the valley that hope forget continues. i will talk to farmer who has filed a lawsuit on behalf of all of the people you see here
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sean: and welcome back to the valley that hoped-for got. it used to be the bread basket of america. among the many that have been affected by the crisis right here, a few have decided to take matters into their own hands. one man who is filing a lawsuit joins us now along with his attorney from the pacific legal foundation. guys, how are you? i will get in the middle here. >> all right. sean: which one is the farmer? you are. you are filing this lawsuit with the pacific legal foundation. tell us. >> that is correct, and the pacific legal foundation is helping myself and two other farming organizations, and we are going to try to go to court on october 2, and we are going to be hoping that we will persevere.
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sean: you'll be hoping, but you know about these liberal activist judges. how are your chances? >> we feel our chances are quite good, sean, because they can only act within its power, and the federal government does not have the power to regulate delta smelt. not only is it immoral, it is unconstitutional. sean: tell us a little bit about your story. >> 62 years, a family operation, and i am the second generation. we are getting by this year but just barely, and we are not going to be able to continue. schaal so 60 some odd years, you have been farming. what? >> we have our main crop along with some charities. i appreciate that, sean. sean: i love them, and i am taking some home with me, so you
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are barely surviving this year? >> yes, and it will continue that way until some common sense gets into the endangered species act, and if that does not happen, we will be out of business. sean: you will go out of business, and some are already out of business. there are unemployment lines and food banks. >> yes, it will not be too long before our operation is following suit. we have many people right now. >> i want to say really quickly that this guy is a great guy to allow us to bring this litigation on his behalf so that we can preserve liberty. it is very simple. to preserve liberty, you have to check the federal government, and we are seeing a big government in every stage right now. we are seeing big government out here, forgetting about the rights of individuals, and instead, they are looking at the rights of little fish. , there is something wrong.
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-- little fish. there is something wrong. sean: we only have a little bit of time, but you have to nder if this will help other people? >> yes, obviously, if we cannot get something turned around here, it will continue, and it will not just be here on the west side. it will be all of california. sean: thank you. ladies and gentlemen, as we wrap things up here, i went to the paul rodriguez, our own ainsley earhardt. come on up here, paul. and all of you folks are coming out here tonight, thank you very much. there is a very simple solution to a problem. farmers want to work hard. they do not want a government handout, and we have a message for washington tonight. mr. president, turn the water on now. [cheers and applause] sean: what is this that you
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