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now. what's this you got here? >> this is on behalf -- to show you the courage we have in the valley this represents the dawgs always. never give up. >> thank you all for coming out. we really appreciate it. very simple solution ainsley thank you for being with us. turn the water back on. >> he is not somebody who committed a crime out of passion he committed a crime because the voices in his head tell him to commit the crime. we don't know when the voices are going to start talking to him again. >> they got him phillip arnold paul the insane killer who escaped from a field trip by his mental hospital has been captured. he killed an elderly women back in 1987 and was acquitted by reason of insanity was discovered hiding out in a gully within a wooded area a couple hundred miles from the spokane
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county fair that he ran away from four-days ago. they theorized paul planned this at attempted escape. he stocked up on freeze dried food had all of his belongings from the field trip from which he ran. washington state killer has been captured. we are taking a look at high profile arrest of a terror suspect in denver. when he was planning to blow up new york city landmarks why is he only charged with -- they are not to seek reelection for the good of the democratic party. hi i am geraldo rivera. those questions answered shortly. up front i can't resist beginning with john edwards. >> every single candidate for president republican and
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democratic have personal lives that indicate something about the kind of human being they are. >> if i was dave matthews i would sue because among the many sleazy revelations in the secret but wide linked book proposal former senator and major shmuck john edwards promised the love child the day he married rielle hunter in a rooftop ceremony in new york. that is edward's current wife and campaign prop liz death succumbed to the cancer. >> i would be happy to participate in a paternity test. i know it's not possible this child could be mine. >> obtained most recently by the new york times which puts the story on major one today the proposal by former aid andrew young. a married father with small children claims he forred this
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smiled child corroborates the national enti -- enquirer with e paw turnity of hunter. the child was lavishly displayed before a brand your re. investigating whether he had campaign laws whether he diverted him from cash. it's you who are silenced. >> when we walked back she said to him i doont deliver it because i don't know how you delivered such lines. whether they believes she is left behind by a predator talk stalker. >> they should tubing to staffers out there. they had their doubts. they believed up until december.
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it was interesting people warted to think this is probably true, there actually has something of a doomsday strategy. if it looks like he is going to win b -- >> putting a sign to profound threats therefore to national security. if the compromised porno candidates that won the white house the legal panel is it leg gnat to discuss hush money used to pay the mistress parkway et. i violated it in the bows of my marria marriage. >> maybe they should put john ensglil. the u.s. justice department has
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apparently cln clouded we are broken. the 100 grand that enseen's right here are regarded simply as gifts. ♪ >> poor dave matthews. wasn't easy to get on geraldo. i bet you love that story. >> i hadn't heard of enson where we had the affair when he became almost vice presidential candidate for the democrats. >> he was a candidate for president. >> nobody heard it. he wasn't on any short list. >> you know kimberly, i said it sort of tongue and cheek but i really mean i now believe given the enson example that they will
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not pursue campaign finance laws with the senator to ironically paid off the same amount to her mist kre -- mistress and their money. the money he gave was a git. you can give it to anybody he wants. it may be persuasive. it will depend on the source of those funds how they were diverted. >> you got the proposal makes clear he got the money from bun melon, a melon heiress. >> his friends are doing it rather than his parents. his friends not around helping him out any more. >> that's what they are
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investigating. reverendal sha al sharpton is h with us. what is it about an ego a public official who allows himself to continue in a campaign for the presidency of the united states and all that scrutiny it brings with impregnating a woman and making a sex tape with her allegedly. is that just ego? >> first of all we don't know how much of this is going to wind up being true by the sex tape or what is going to happen. this is allegations by a former aid. >> the aid who -- we are saying again we have not seen what is going to happen. the grand jury is out. i don't think we should presume anything. the young lady in the grand jury
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it would be interesting to see what she said there. what makes anybody's ego do anything whether they are running for office fornt. it's a matter of things being smart. when you are in the public eye it becomes the public story. >> there's the sex tape. i want geraldo viewers to noi that. >> and a baby. so many people are going to testify against him. >> you knew this was coming as president obama kent on his walks media blitz he was peppered with questions about atorn. embattled activist group helping with pimp and prostitute. the longer i got engagengaged. where is pa >> what i saw on that video was certainly appropriate and
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deserves -- you are not committing to cut off the federal funding? frankly it's not something i followed closely. i didn't know acorn was getting a hole lot of money. >> president obama is a very thut person. what he does is his position. i would never presume -- >> he says he believes acorn should be investigated. >> well, that's his opinion also. the man with the longstanding tie. he was a lawyer, endured his candida candidacy. now 850,000 miles close to aborn has grown this national organization, community organizations the investitied
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reverend al that must come as a crushing blow to acorn. the president suggested he was in favor of an investigation. >> if you want to be fair go have your own auditor. i don't think any one tried to fuss fy this particular process. i think the overall riding question is does this -- is this acorn or people part of a huge staff that can do something wrong that can happen in any organization. you can find people in a political party that's wrong. do we say the party is builty or for interview. you and lawyer geraldo i have to say this was not something condoned. for business>> do you agree with
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her references? >> i am knocked at the president's reparks. i guess that he said she should be investigated. if they didn't say that what is outrageous. the fact that he said he hasn't been paying any attention to this i find that to be shocking. >> i don't know. did any other network f -- pay attention to this than fox news? >> why would he he work the closely and got over a mol dollars in substantial funds. $832,000. they were severing a substantial amount of federal funding. they were going to be doing our census where we can barely do voter regular vation properly. yesterday i thought the law that was passed by the house and senate to de fund acorn was unconstitutional.
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>> i think you are correct. is thises unconstitutional. no way you can base on a videotape i admitted to a lower level where you are going to de fund the group. you want pressing him for not being able to do it. >> it's more than a video tape. al sharpton. >> prior bo san r -- investigation. pe dl denied. then they wam out with washington. oos right here with all ties oo aborn. like to call all of the time to governor david patterson after this.
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>> hillary and i don't agree on anything. >> i believe diplomacy should be the cornerstone of any foreign policy. >> and i can see russia from my house. >> "saturday night live" can be credited with marginal liesing sarah palin. with tina fey's devastating impersonation i think similar credit should go to snl for the equally cruel per roddy of david patterson. >> it shows unemployment in 2008. >> governor it's up said down. >> you bet it is.
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>> governor patton insisted he plans to run for office if there were polls that said he would lose to attorney general by andrew cuomo by more than 4-1. despite pressure from the white house when eliot spitzer got caught with his pants down step aside for the good are the party. those reports prompted national committee chairman michael steel to quip disingenuously. >> i found that to be stunning that the white house will send word to only one of two black governors in the country not to raun for office. i think his nams are the same as governor corzine. corzine stepped down in new jersey. i find it to be stunning and rather bold. >> what i find truly stunning
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and bold is the man i consider one of the legitimate leaders of the black community reverend al sharpton adds not declared his support for governor patterson. al i think it's fair to say you are giving him a cold shoulder instead of a shoulder to lean on. >> i talk to the governor today and ned and talked to the people in the white house. the western concern is we cont move forward on the agenda and not do the politics in the newspaper. >> what does that mean? >> are you backing the governor or not backing the governor? >> if the governor runs i said i would back him. i think david patterson has b bn a good public servant. this debate and what he is doing he said he would move forward it is something he decides we should not be doing in the
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newspapers. if oy will taken the position michael steel took i would be accused of playing the race card. here steel makes the point the president goes at a black governor as opposed to corzine with the same numbers. either you are involved in politics or not. i think it's absolutely irresponsible for the republicans to do. >> as with the acorn offices there is more than just you this case. i think it is abominable how dpem kratz have -- >> tell me to look at camera one before the show started. >> the democratic party is racist. they did immediately tell governor patterson -- >> the democratic party is racist?
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>> no wonder they feel like they are subjected to racism they are all democrats. they take them for granted. the democratic party is saying we have an election coming up who should we have run? i am a democratic governor. they are all democrats and all incompetent. number two, rolland burr. >> we have to take a break. i have to take a quickly. >> that's number three.
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>> the studio is ripe with anarchy here mainly ann coulter. you were suggesting and i had to go to commercial break that the democrats are racist. >> right. number one how they are treating patterson and how they treated roland burris. from the moment he showed up -- >> the guy is allegedly trying to buy the job. >> no, he wasn't.
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>> he has been been convicted of and last week the new york times in a blaze with articles on charlie rangel an essexes report nothing on chris dodd who was a billion times more corrupt and one of the two men along with barney frank for the entire financial melt down. >> the double standard is a problem. if a conservative had done that -- >> with with an effective legise he is a failure as a governor. he blew the california kennedy senate thing. he slandered. >> he's a democrat. of course. >> he has been bumbling along as a guy who can't get 25 percent approval rating. lick lousier announced for the republicans he will challenge for the governor's seat. i think david patterson is an
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endangered -- >> you can weigh in at this juncture and say step aside. >> what about that aspect the president of the united states got himself involved in politics? >> i have no way of knowing the president got involved. they would look at the politics they campaign in states as he did for corzine in new jersey. they are going to do an analysis. david patterson is not the lieutenant governor running for governor or accidental governor. when the governor has to resign he becomes governor. that is constitutional. i think we have made progress in america when ann coulter will be defender of blacks. you have a black president talking to black governor ann will decide who the ratest is. we have come a long way in
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geraldo. >> i call them like i see them. i think i made a good case and more over they did it immediately to counteder. >> the president is working monday talk shows today like no president has done before denying healthcare reform represents radical change. race or racism under lines oppositions to his proposals. i like something i like that the president said now i am going to predict that healthcare reform will pass in some fashion just like every one of us pays car insurance to protect us from the dead beats when they hit our cars and hurt somebody now the president is hope posing everyone must have it is mandatory healthcare. i think that's a good thing. >> for car insurance you don't want to go buy into a plan where people share in the cost of car
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washes>> piem can buy medical insurance but medical insurance companies compete with each other which they are not allowed to do. you can't have one without the other. if i have to pay for pre-med cal care.
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>> this is america's news headquarters. i am lauren sivan. an insane killer who escaped and has been on the run since thursday has been recaptured in washington state. 47-year-old phillip arnold paul disappeared during a trip to the spokane county fair with other patients. he was more than 200 miles away. he had been committed after the 1987 murder of an elderly women. it was raining money this weeke weekend for "cloudy with a chance of meat balls."
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>> i am sunny side up. >> the sony pictures animation drenched with the most box office bucks. matt damon "the informant" 7.6 million, "i can do better" and "love happens" round out the top 5. >> oo you are taking up their space that's the allegation. >> you have nothing to do with al qaeda? >> i have nothing to do with al qaeda. tomorrow any question you have feel free to ask me any questions. all right? >> first let me tell you what we know about the denver man arrested with two others after conflicting reports of a plot to blow up a landmark in new york. he is a naturalized u.s. citizen
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who admitted last week that in 2008 he received weapons and explosives training from al qaeda while on a trip to pakistan. this guy with weapons training drives from denver to new york. the fbi alerted by a snitch searchs ozzie's car and lap top on the lap top they found nine pages of ♪ with making bombs detonate others and a fuse. they found a scale they say could be used in the bomb making process. then on september 11th of all days the feds intercept the phone conversation between zombie and muslim preacher absali. abso absoli had a side business as an fbi informant. >> he is not a trained fbi
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agent. he doesn't know thousand conduct a federal investigation. that's not his role or job. the fbi asked him to find out what he could and he found out what he could find out. >> after being visited by his friends absali picks up the phone and tells his friends i was exposed to something yesterday from the authority. they came to ask me about your character, they asked me about you guys. he is flown back to denver if he asks if he knows him from new york. he lies they arrest him and his 523-year-o -- 53-year-old dad. they arrested absoli back in new york. they don't charge them with plotting terrorists. >> the idea is he lied.
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he had no knowledge of bomb making materials on his computer. >> i get the sgl a sazi part. the guy goes to training camp in sta pakistan. that's bernard kerik sitting next to judy. the absali guy here in new york the preacher the em imam why would they arrest the fbi snitch? >> eventually he did something he shouldn't have done. he got in touch with somebody under surveillance and tipped him off. that's why they knew to sur thrive. this guy is coming to new york to make a profsh. the fbi monitoring them. then he tries to tell the guy he was monitoring them.
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>> we are not sure if that's the original source of the information. there's so much we don't know yet it's hard to say how it is go to play out. the fbi is charging them so far with something less than they would like to be charging. >> i am a little shaky on this one. let's go to denver. it's unusual the three people were talking to the authorities before he was arrested. let's learn more about what's going on there? >> one day he and his father will be in this building here. the federal courthouse in denver to face one simple charge of lying to an agent. this is after hours of work was done. now he went and volunteered late on wednesday according to the fbi to answer questions.
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it was during that time he decide having ties to al qaeda. come thursday and friday when he was in the office building for 8 hours on each day his father on friday for a few hour it is came out he admitted to a federal agent he did travel to pakistan to train in weapons training. it came out according to the affidavit filed with a federal report. on that they found incriminating evidence very notes like how to build a bomb. he followed him four the past year tracked his travels to and from pakistan and new york. we also know he filed way may in part we spring. bus car driver from the airport.
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it will. wald sos come. alicia what about the nypd do the think the arrests are quick. >> geraldo, among the people picked up in the anti-terror region done ducted in denver and here in new york city is an imam who was allegedly an fbi informant. bernie kerik city commissioner tell me about the rift between the fbi and nypd? >> they were working in conjunction with anybody in new york city. it would be new york city and the terrorist task force which is an agency that consists of -- fbi agent and new york city detectives. there may be a problem there. i think what nypd specifically i am not sure. >> the imam over heard by federal agent warning terror
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suspects mohammed made afzali. police were on to them. >> they didn't come to the mosque to try to figure out. especially if they don't have a relationship with the imam. went back to sarzi p oh they have been double crossed. thing move in. in the midst of extremedy tense it was reportedly told not to interfere. they may have done what they do in this city when they start hitting the occasions. >> how long would they sit on these guys what at the want to do is play. find the motive find the other suspects if he can before they head some of the locations. unlike the cases we have looked
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into in the recent past this seems to be a real deal. these guys put together a bunch of advice on the new york city trains at hush hour there are five different trains are catastrophic but people -- in the economy it is their animosity. nybt is better. it's headed to the competition. that's all it is. who will get to put the handicaps on the back later today. i don't care if it's the fbi as long as that guy is in custody he is not blowing up a train somewhere in han hat tan. >> do cops have tthe>> they say this is the yoet real deal.
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they tipped off. cia got a wind of this northwest getting training pial guide operatives. in pakistan we ask pakistani friends who go back. they are not getting terror training not carrying around instructions for mo -- bombs. it is a horrible blot taking chase in our city. >> mark geragos isn't that right this is the real deal unlikely informant given lots we have seen heretofore. >> i don't know geraldo why is it that there's only one of the famous here why is this information being dribbled out. in fact it has all of the ear marks from somebody who may be
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cooperating and that may be the real deal, that may be why you see a false type charge that has been leveled. so far. >> attorney coulter i suspect this is an arrest. first of all i am decided to see liberals are going to continue their policy of appearing under maps, overly enthusiastic. >> let her finish. >> why wouldn't you arrest him for false at the same times if they make those sides. maybe they are going to. he made mals statements and in florida. >> ann, if it's a false statement. if there is a ding russ man you
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>> look, the fbi is skillful at public relations. why did you even get this story to begin with, why is it done on the over of the repatezation act. >> they are remanufacturing the news so they can help pass legislation. it was attacking the constitution and i question as to why the fbi would release this information right now. they have control of the information. why release it now. >> the patriot act is not bad. it got the worst name in any legislate i have history. if they named it something else it would have a better regard in the public's eye. let's face it. he made a point. he is far left but his main point is that many of the terrorists have seen more of the product of snitches that entice dopes to get involved in grandiose make believe plans than al qaeda operatives that
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plot in actual attacks. he seems really dirty having bombed stuff on his computer. we have to ask fall into the dubious category of snitch driven? here is kennedy. >> this is the face of terrorism. that's what law enforcement officials have included to alzazi alleging a terror plot on u.s. soil. vastly different outcome than lawyers hoped three days ago. >> we are here to continue our cooperation if the investigation. we hope to answer question questions they have. >> for delays they interviewed him about the alleged plot. for three nights they let the afghani national go home to his apartment and sleep. his lawyer said he is innocent. >> did they have any reason to arrest them?
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>> one wouldn't let him leaved and if they thought they found something over the course of the evening i don't think they would have taken a chance we would show up here at 2:00. >> they took that chance leaving observers you to wonder how strong his case is. one said it was the father others say uncle from new york. >> this seem like -- that would have been charged. a fact that may cam in the coming days. the number of threeings participating nonrelated charges bug sglau zi's something spells fish with the best fbi agency of the week. fbi officials in the days of the
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first clean's buddy says the real problem is the december sem nation of incripple may goss one side is week one is great. when you read by the drive bia gagses or they are covering their high quarters. this guy is as pretty has as it teams. >> this this guy did you believe the he hadding cake is bombed. why are you letting him go. in that case i have a weak case and get bring them in. there may be a difference than
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>> live with a spirited discussion debate over the track record i think you can say that post 911 era of federal authorities in their intense investigation of potential terror plots many of whom involve the newburgh case with a one-slick guy recruited a bunch of homeless dopes gave them fried chicken and convinced them
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to blow up synagogues on the west side. he was the snitch who created the whole crime. the fear here was that was happening again. doug and ann and commissioner keshg and judith miller terrorism expert with the g 20 meeting going on in pittsburgh next week u.n. general assembly in new york if you are going to be cautious this is the time. >> it was followed to the bureau technically before september 2001. >> you haveuy training innal guide prison camp. he has a law on the books he is charged with. he doesn't have to drive from denver to new york. he comes home from pakistan, where are you -- where were you?
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i was visiting my wife celebrating the high holy days. you are lying we have you at the training camp. that's the charge. you don't have to let this whole thing play out. that is a fact. >> you don't let him go home three state nights or four straight nights. there's something told here i will boldly predict you will find out time within the next week or to. >> i hope there is but i draed if there would be. >> there's a lot we don't know. we know one percent of what's happening it is peeks from the investigation although i enjoy irresponsible speculation. are you saying it is too soon or too late? >> you are taking guidance from me and i appreciate the fact that you are so reliant on my
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opinions. i am telling you how i feel that our record of success has been fairly dubious. >> the way you pick these apart -- >> the way you people stereotype is alarming. >> what about the you haul truck that had nothing to do with this case? >> it has nothing to do with these three under the arrest. >> it is put forth by the authority so far. they are withholding information. clearly there's a strategy here to try to get that. >> that says to me they don't have the case. you look at the new haven case this week they shut up when they have a great case. >> the yale killing. >> i think that was a little simpler there are four people going into a lab. >> if they are bleaking and can't charge the guy there's
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something wrong with that. >> they did charge. >> you two may continue this discussion in the lobby following the program. thank you very much. hope you have a wonderful week. thank you for watching.
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