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>> we all were, greg. >> thank you, andy. grad to see you improved your image. andrea always a pleasure. bill schulz, you ardis gusting human being. bill hemmer wonderful having you here on the 600th show. that was very nice. i'm greg gutfeld. i'll see you later bye bye. captioned by, closed captioning services, inc.
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also taking a hard look at a terror suspect in denver. if he was really plotting to blow up new york city landmarks then why is the only charge of lying to the authorities? also tonight, did president obama ask one of only two black governors not to seek reelection for the good of the democratic party? hi, everybody, i'm geraldo rivera. those questions answered shortly. but up front tonight i cannot resist beginning with john edwards. ♪ >> every single candidate for president, republican and democratic, have lives,
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and ensure her silence. >> when waked back she was standing in front of the hotel and said to him you are so hot, i can't deliver it because i don't know how to deliver this line whether elizabeth believes her husband is the victim of a predatory stalker, it is unclear whether he is in as much trouble as he seems to be. >> it is amazing to me, they had their doubts. decembereved up until tess
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that this was not true. by december and january, several people in his circle started to think this is maybe the truth. >> the affair. >> it may be true and actually had something of a dooms day strategy. they had gotten together and said if it looks like he is going to win we will sabotage the campaign and blow it up. >> geraldo: bearing in mind the widely circulated allegation that they made a tape of their capade, the legal paneld, if a trickier. is it legitimate to did he duct as a campaign expense hush money paid to keep your mistress quiet. >> last year i had an affair. i violated the vows of my marriage. >> perhaps they should consult the team working for nevada
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senator because in this case the u.s. justice department concluded that no campaign finance laws were broken because the 100 grand that enson's parents paid to the senator's mistress and her husband who both worked for enson are recorded as gifts. i bond ferraro enson is also a -- i bond ferraro enson is also a fan of dave matthews. >> poor dave matthews, what did he do to get on geraldo. i bet you loved that story from the enson part. >> i hadn't heard of him until he had an affair. whereas john edwards was the vice presidential candidate and almost the presidential candidate forethe democrats. >> geraldo: you are not being sincere. >> he wasn't on any short list. >> geraldo: kimberly, i said it sort of tongue in cheek but i really mean that i now believe given the example and the u.s.
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justice department declaration that they will not pursue campaign finance law violations against the senator who ironically paid off the same amount of money to his mistress and they are husband, i believe edwards can say the money he gave real hunter is a gift. >> we can give gifts to anybody. >> it may be persuasive precedent. it will depend on the source of the funds, how they were diverts have likversus like a . >> geraldo: the proposal makes clear that he got the money allegedly from bunny mellon. a mellon heir. >> rather than his parents. >> and he is not around to help him out any more. >> no illegitimate child. >> that we know of. >> and he wasn't a vice presidential candidate. that is what they are investigating.
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>> geraldo: reverend al sharpton joins us. wayne to talk to you about issues like acorn and others near and deer to your heart, but -- and dear to your heart. what is it about an ego about a public official who allows himself to continue in a campaign for the presidency of the united states and all the scrutiny that brings while carrying on an affair and ibm ating a woman and making a sex tape. >> we don't know how much of this is going to be true about the sex tape or what is going to happen with the child, this is allegations by a former aide. >> geraldo: the aide who took the fall. >> that is true. but what i'm saying -- we are saying that again, we have not seen what is going to happen. the grand jury is out. i don't think we should presume anything until we know what comes out. i read today that the young lady testified in front of the
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grand jury. it would be interesting to see what she said there. having said that what makes anybody's ego do anything, whether they are running for higher office or not. when you are in the public eye 2 just becomes a public story. >> there is a sex tape. ers to want geraldo view ires know that. >> it is all true. you heard it here first. and yew knew this was coming and president obama went on his nonfox all other media blitz today he was peppered with questions about acorn. the group caught on tape advising a pimp and prostitute how to lie about their profession and launder their ill gotten gains. bertha lewis did grant chris wallace an interview. >> what i saw on that video was certainly inappropriate and
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deserves to be -- >> you are not committing to cut off fed rat funding. >> this is -- federal funding. >> frankly, it is not something i followed closely. i didn't even know that acorn was getting federal funding. >> president obama is a smart thoughtful person. what he does is his decision. i would never presume to tell the president whether he should veto a bill or not. >> he says that he believes that acorn should be investigated. >> well, that is his opinion also. >> geraldo: so now the president,, the man with the long standing ties to acorn. he was a their lawyer. his campaign paid them over $800,000 to help get out the vote and now he, the president of the united states with the close ties to acorn has joined the growing chorus of critics demanding that the multimillion dollar national organization of community organizations be investigated. reverend al, that must come as
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a crushing blow to acorn. however, offhandedly the president suggested that he was in favor of an investigation. >> if you want to be fair, lewis said they will do an investigation and have their own auditors. i don't think that any one has tried to justify the despicable tape of the pimp and the prostitute. the overriding question is, is this acorn or are these some people that were part of a huge staff that did something wrong? is can happen in any organization. you can find people in a political party that does wrong. do we say that the party is guilty or the individuals? i think that clearly the president on this has been bad for acorn but i think, you are a lawyer, geraldo, theyville to say this was something co condd and authorized. i think they will have a huge
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gap to fill with that. >> i'm shocked at the president's remarks. i know that you think. >> geraldo: in what regards? >> i get that he thinks that they should be investigated. the fact that he said he hasn't been paying any attention to this. i find that to be shocking. >> geraldo: i don't know. did any network pay attention to this other than fox news? >> that doesn't make it okay. why wouldn't he. this is a that he worked closely with and gave just under a million dollars in terms of campaign funds. >> 832. >> $832,000. they are receiving a substantial amount of federal funding and were going to be doing our census when they could barely do voter registration properly. >> geraldo: yesterday i said that i thought the law passed by the house and senate to defund acorn was unconstitutional. i don't know if you reviewed the issue.
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>> i think you are, correct. it is unconstitutional. no way you can based upon a videotape that is admittedly a lower level that you are going to then spinac specifically dee group. >> it is more than a videotape. >> geraldo: it is great tv but you cannot defund an organization. >> prior to an investigation. >> and adjudication. >> how many offices do they have to go to. they have a dozen tapes. people did deny it. they said it was just one. >> geraldo: i think the group will be in trouble. >> and then they said it is just philadelphia and then new york and l.a. came out. how many do you have to go to? >> geraldo: after the break, is the president now going to cut all ties with acorn? and is he going to cut all ties to new york's deeply unpopular governor, david paterson?
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>> hillary and i don't agree on anything. >> i believe diplomacy should be the cornerstone of any foreign policy. >> and i can see russia from my house. >> "saturday night live" can be credited with marginal liesing sarah palin. with tina fey's devastating impersonation i think similar credit should go to snl for the equally cruel per roddy of david patterson. >> it shows unemployment in 2008. >> governor it's up said down. >> you bet it is.
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>> governor patton insisted he plans to run for office if there were polls that said he would lose to attorney general by andrew cuomo by more than 4-1. despite pressure from the white house when eliot spitzer got caught with his pants down step aside for the good are the party. those reports prompted national committee chairman michael steel to quip disingenuously. >> i found that to be stunning that the white house will send word to only one of two black governors in the country not to raun for office. i think his nams are the same as governor corzine. corzine stepped down in new jersey. i find it to be stunning and rather bold. >> what i find truly stunning
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and bold is the man i consider one of the legitimate leaders of the black community reverend al sharpton adds not declared his support for governor patterson. al i think it's fair to say you are giving him a cold shoulder instead of a shoulder to lean on. >> i talk to the governor today and ned and talked to the people in the white house. the western concern is we cont move forward on the agenda and not do the politics in the newspaper. >> what does that mean? >> are you backing the governor or not backing the governor? >> if the governor runs i said i would back him. i think david patterson has b bn a good public servant. this debate and what he is doing he said he would move forward it is something he decides we should not be doing in the
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newspapers. if oy will taken the position michael steel took i would be accused of playing the race card. here steel makes the point the president goes at a black governor as opposed to corzine with the same numbers. either you are involved in politics or not. i think it's absolutely irresponsible for the republicans to do. >> as with the acorn offices there is more than just you this case. i think it is abominable how dpem kratz have -- >> tell me to look at camera one before the show started. >> the democratic party is racist. they did immediately tell governor patterson -- >> the democratic party is racist? >> no wonder they feel like they
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are subjected to racism they are all democrats. they take them for granted. the democratic party is saying we have an election coming up who should we have run? i am a democratic governor. they are all democrats and all incompetent. number two, rolland burr. >> we have to take a break. i have to take a ququññññññ
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>> the studio is ripe with anarchy here mainly ann coulter. you were suggesting and i had to go to commercial break that the democrats are racist. >> right. number one how they are treating patterson and how they treated roland burris. from the moment he showed up -- >> the guy is allegedly trying to buy the job.
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>> no, he wasn't. >> he has been been convicted of and last week the new york times in a blaze with articles on charlie rangel an essexes report nothing on chris dodd who was a billion times more corrupt and one of the two men along with barney frank for the entire financial melt down. >> the double standard is a problem. if a conservative had done that -- >> with with an effective legise he is a failure as a governor. he blew the california kennedy senate thing. he slandered. >> he's a democrat. of course. >> he has been bumbling along as a guy who can't get 25 percent approval rating. lick lousier announced for the republicans he will challenge for the governor's seat. i think david patterson is an
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endangered -- >> you can weigh in at this juncture and say step aside. >> what about that aspect the president of the united states got himself involved in politics? >> i have no way of knowing the president got involved. they would look at the politics they campaign in states as he did for corzine in new jersey. they are going to do an analysis. david patterson is not the lieutenant governor running for governor or accidental governor. when the governor has to resign he becomes governor. that is constitutional. i think we have made progress in america when ann coulter will be defender of blacks. you have a black president talking to black governor ann will decide who the ratest is. we have come a long way in
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geraldo. >> i call them like i see them. i think i made a good case and more over they did it immediately to counteder. >> the president is working monday talk shows today like no president has done before denying healthcare reform represents radical change. race or racism under lines oppositions to his proposals. i like something i like that the president said now i am going to predict that healthcare reform will pass in some fashion just like every one of us pays car insurance to protect us from the dead beats when they hit our cars and hurt somebody now the president is hope posing everyone must have it is mandatory healthcare. i think that's a good thing. >> for car insurance you don't want to go buy into a plan where people share in the cost of car
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you're watching america's news headquarters. i'm lauren sivan. fox news confirming a report that the u.s. commander in afghanistan says he needs more forces within the next year or the conflict will "likely result in failure." this assessment by general stanley mccrystal was sent to gates in august. an escaped insane killer on the run since thursday has been recaptured in washington state.
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47-year-old phillip an fold paul disappeared during a trip to the county fair with other institution patients. he was take noon custody more than 200 miles away. paul giving up without a fight. i'm lauren sivan. a we now head back to "geraldo a" large" right here on the fox news channel. 5. >> oo you are taking up their space that's the allegation. >> you have nothing to do with al qaeda? >> i have nothing to do with al qaeda. tomorrow any question you have feel free to ask me any questions. all right? >> first let me tell you what we know about the denver man arrested with two others after conflicting reports of a plot to blow up a landmark in new york. he is a naturalized u.s. citizen
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who admitted last week that in 2008 he received weapons and explosives training from al qaeda while on a trip to pakistan. this guy with weapons training drives from denver to new york. the fbi alerted by a snitch searchs ozzie's car and lap top on the lap top they found nine pages of ♪ with making bombs detonate others and a fuse. they found a scale they say could be used in the bomb making process. then on september 11th of all days the feds intercept the phone conversation between zombie and muslim preacher absali. abso absoli had a side business as an fbi informant. >> he is not a trained fbi
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agent. he doesn't know thousand conduct a federal investigation. that's not his role or job. the fbi asked him to find out what he could and he found out what he could find out. >> after being visited by his friends absali picks up the phone and tells his friends i was exposed to something yesterday from the authority. they came to ask me about your character, they asked me about you guys. he is flown back to denver if he asks if he knows him from new york. he lies they arrest him and his 523-year-o -- 53-year-old dad. they arrested absoli back in new york. they don't charge them with plotting terrorists. >> the idea is he lied.
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he had no knowledge of bomb making materials on his computer. >> i get the sgl a sazi part. the guy goes to training camp in sta pakistan. that's bernard kerik sitting next to judy. the absali guy here in new york the preacher the em imam why would they arrest the fbi snitch? >> eventually he did something he shouldn't have done. he got in touch with somebody under surveillance and tipped him off. that's why they knew to sur thrive. this guy is coming to new york to make a profsh. the fbi monitoring them. then he tries to tell the guy he was monitoring them.
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>> we are not sure if that's the original source of the information. there's so much we don't know yet it's hard to say how it is go to play out. the fbi is charging them so far with something less than they would like to be charging. >> i am a little shaky on this one. let's go to denver. it's unusual the three people were talking to the authorities before he was arrested. let's learn more about what's going on there? >> one day he and his father will be in this building here. the federal courthouse in denver to face one simple charge of lying to an agent. this is after hours of work was done. now he went and volunteered late on wednesday according to the fbi to answer questions. it was during that time he
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decide having ties to al qaeda. come thursday and friday when he was in the office building for 8 hours on each day his father on friday for a few hour it is came out he admitted to a federal agent he did travel to pakistan to train in weapons training. it came out according to the affidavit filed with a federal report. on that they found incriminating evidence very notes like how to build a bomb. he followed him four the past year tracked his travels to and from pakistan and new york. we also know he filed way may in part we spring. bus car driver from the airport.
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it will. wald sos come. alicia what about the nypd do the think the arrests are quick. >> geraldo, among the people picked up in the anti-terror region done ducted in denver and here in new york city is an imam who was allegedly an fbi informant. bernie kerik city commissioner tell me about the rift between the fbi and nypd? >> they were working in conjunction with anybody in new york city. it would be new york city and the terrorist task force which is an agency that consists of -- fbi agent and new york city detectives. there may be a problem there. i think what nypd specifically i am not sure. >> the imam over heard by federal agent warning terror
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suspects mohammed made afzali. police were on to them. >> they didn't come to the mosque to try to figure out. especially if they don't have a relationship with the imam. went back to sarzi p oh they have been double crossed. thing move in. in the midst of extremedy tense it was reportedly told not to interfere. they may have done what they do in this city when they start hitting the occasions. >> how long would they sit on these guys what at the want to do is play. find the motive find the other suspects if he can before they head some of the locations. unlike the cases we have looked
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into in the recent past this seems to be a real deal. these guys put together a bunch of advice on the new york city trains at hush hour there are five different trains are catastrophic but people -- in the economy it is their animosity. nybt is better. it's headed to the competition. that's all it is. who will get to put the handicaps on the back later today. i don't care if it's the fbi as long as that guy is in custody he is not blowing up a train somewhere in han hat tan. >> do cops have tthe>> they say this is the yoet real deal.
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they tipped off. cia got a wind of this northwest getting training pial guide operatives. in pakistan we ask pakistani friends who go back. they are not getting terror training not carrying around instructions for mo -- bombs. it is a horrible blot taking chase in our city. >> mark geragos isn't that right this is the real deal unlikely informant given lots we have seen heretofore. >> i don't know geraldo why is it that there's only one of the famous here why is this information being dribbled out. in fact it has all of the ear marks from somebody who may be
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cooperating and that may be the real deal, that may be why you see a false type charge that has been leveled. so far. >> attorney coulter i suspect this is an arrest. first of all i am decided to see liberals are going to continue their policy of appearing under maps, overly enthusiastic. >> let her finish. >> why wouldn't you arrest him for false at the same times if they make those sides. maybe they are going to. he made mals statements and in florida. >> ann, if it's a false statement. if there is a ding russ man you
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>> look, the fbi is skillful at public relations. why did you even get this story to begin with, why is it done on the over of the repatezation act. >> they are remanufacturing the news so they can help pass legislation. it was attacking the constitution and i question as to why the fbi would release this information right now. they have control of the information. why release it now. >> the patriot act is not bad. it got the worst name in any legislate i have history. if they named it something else it would have a better regard in the public's eye. let's face it. he made a point. he is far left but his main point is that many of the terrorists have seen more of the product of snitches that entice dopes to get involved in grandiose make believe plans than al qaeda operatives that
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plot in actual attacks. he seems really dirty having bombed stuff on his computer. we have to ask fall into the dubious category of snitch driven? here is kennedy. >> this is the face of terrorism. that's what law enforcement officials have included to alzazi alleging a terror plot on u.s. soil. vastly different outcome than lawyers hoped three days ago. >> we are here to continue our cooperation if the investigation. we hope to answer question questions they have. >> for delays they interviewed him about the alleged plot. for three nights they let the afghani national go home to his apartment and sleep. his lawyer said he is innocent. >> did they have any reason to arrest them? >> one wouldn't let him leaved
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and if they thought they found something over the course of the evening i don't think they would have taken a chance we would show up here at 2:00. >> they took that chance leaving observers you to wonder how strong his case is. one said it was the father others say uncle from new york. >> this seem like -- that would have been charged. a fact that may cam in the coming days. the number of threeings participating nonrelated charges bug sglau zi's something spells fish with the best fbi agency of the week. fbi officials in the days of the
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first clean's buddy says the real problem is the december sem nation of incripple may goss one side is week one is great. when you read by the drive bia gagses or they are covering their high quarters. this guy is as pretty has as it teams. >> this this guy did you believe the he hadding cake is bombed. why are you letting him go. in that case i have a weak case and get bring them in. there may be a difference than
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>> live with a spirited discussion debate over the track record i think you can say that post 911 era of federal authorities in their intense investigation of potential terror plots many of whom involve the newburgh case with a one-slick guy recruited a bunch of homeless dopes gave them fried chicken and convinced them
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to blow up synagogues on the west side. he was the snitch who created the whole crime. the fear here was that was happening again. doug and ann and commissioner keshg and judith miller terrorism expert with the g 20 meeting going on in pittsburgh next week u.n. general assembly in new york if you are going to be cautious this is the time. >> it was followed to the bureau technically before september 2001. >> you have the guy training innal guide prison camp. he has a law on the books he is charged with. he doesn't have to drive from denver to new york. he comes home from pakistan, where are you -- where were you?
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i was visiting my wife celebrating the high holy days. you are lying we have you at the training camp. that's the charge. you don't have to let this whole thing play out. that is a fact. >> you don't let him go home three state nights or four straight nights. there's something told here i will boldly predict you will find out time within the next week or to. >> i hope there is but i draed if there would be. >> there's a lot we don't know. we know one percent of what's happening it is peeks from the investigation although i enjoy irresponsible speculation. are you saying it is too soon or too late? >> you are taking guidance from me and i appreciate the fact that you are so reliant on my
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opinions. i am telling you how i feel that our record of success has been fairly dubious. >> the way you pick these apart -- >> the way you people stereotype is alarming. >> what about the you haul truck that had nothing to do with this case? >> it has nothing to do with these three under the arrest. >> it is put forth by the authority so far. they are withholding information. clearly there's a strategy here to try to get that. >> that says to me they don't have the case. you look at the new haven case this week they shut up when they have a great case. >> the yale killing. >> i think that was a little simpler there are four people going into a lab. >> if they are bleaking and can't charge the guy there's
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