gretchen: also in his book he tried to do something radical. brian: what did you discover? >> [unintelligible] [laughter] gretchen: we will share his posing nude in the after the show show. steve: have a great day, we will see you back here tomorrow. [captioning made possible by fox news channel] captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org-- bill: new and significant questions in the health-care debate over pricetags. that of course depends on how you define the word tax. megyn: the question of health care costs hammered hard as president obama hit the sunday talk show circuit, trying to convince america to back his health care reform push. the bottom line was the bottom line when all was said and done.

>> and no one in the middle class was going to get a tax increase on your watch. yet several democrats said that this bill from senator baucus has a big middle class tax increase. do you agree? does that mean that you cannot sign it? >> i do not agree, i think that they were concerned about whether or not this was affordable. if you are saying to people that you have got to get health insurance and they have to -- and they cannot afford it, there's a penalty, which is a concern that i share. bill: stuart, good morning. what is affordable? when is a tax not a tax? >> that is what the president is arguing and talking about. he says that you can insure the uninsured without raising taxes on middle-class.

what does he do? he changes the language. fines, penalties, levees. all kinds of fees, as well as revenue enhancers, which he says are not a tax. let me draw your attention to this headline from "the new york times." "a proposed tax on the cadillac health plans." they say that it is a tax. more than that, it is a tax on the middle-class. essentially the president is using semantics, shifting the language to make his point. in my opinion he did not move the needle on those talk shows. lunch is not free. bill: the idea is that if you are forced to buy insurance for health care, it will be a charge to you in your family, which in itself is a hidden cost.

we must be clear, democrats have not even figured out who will pay for what. that is part of the debate now. >> the big picture is that under all of the proposals that have gone to the house and the senate, there is an income wealth shift from the people in the back half of the population to the lower half of the population. that is consistent throughout the mall. the tax bite comes down the food chain to hit the middle class. that is the bottom line. bill: stuart varney, thank you. see you this afternoon on the fox business network. megyn: not only did president obama take heat about his health care reform plans, he had to address the acorn scandal. the left-wing activist group that the president used to work with. the president said that there

should be an investigation into this group. undercover video, shot in several offices, showed workers how to do the fed's, avoid taxes, and make money on -- how to dupe the feds, avoid taxes, and make money on it. here is what the president said. >> is that true on the other side as well? of course. frankly, it is not something i had followed closely. i did not even know that they were given a lot of federal money. what i know is what i saw on that video is certainly inappropriate. >> you are not committed to cutting off federal funding? >> this is not something i have paid a lot of attention to. megyn: he said that what is on that video deserves to be investigated, although he has not been paying a lot of attention. chris wallace, snubbed by

president obama, was talking to the ceo of acorn about those tapes. chief organizer, technically. we will look at what she had to say throughout the morning here in "america's newsroom." bill: in the meantime, general stanley mcchrystal submitted a classified report that was leaked to "the washington post" over the weekend. general mcchrystal, hand-picked over president obama, said that the war will likely end in failure without more troops. at the moment the president has not made a decision as to whether or not to send more troops. >> we are going to take all of disinformation and we are going to test whatever resources we have against our strategy. >> the worst thing did you could

do is not act at a time when our military commanders say that we need more bodies in the battle today. bill: jennifer griffin is at the pentagon. there are no troops available to send to afghanistan until at least january. we have the reaction to this and the upcoming meeting that the u.n.. megyn: president obama, when he is there at the u.n. security council meeting, he will be sitting a few feet from mark khaddafi. this is after president obama was very critical of libya for the hero's welcome for the convicconvand released pan am bomber. kelly has more. is the white house expressing concern about him being in the same room?

kelly: susan rice was asked if the u.s. delegation would walk out when khaddafi speaks and how would the president handle it if he is approached by khaddafi. she did not want to guess what they might say, saying that is in the realm of the hypothetical and with respect to the fact that khaddafi will be there for the united nations security council and will be present at the summit, they will have a special session on nuclear nonproliferation on thursday. along with gordon brown of the u. k. would you not like to be a fly on the wall and here with the president might actually say? megyn: you would. many times these things are arranged in advance, diplomats have already worked out what will be said.

so, what do we know about that? is the president expected to say anything to him? kelly: at some point they are going to be talking about nuclear nonproliferation. it is difficult to say what will be stated. different sets, different types of areas, entrances to get in there. we are not getting a lot of word from the white house specifically. you will recall that president obama strongly criticized the hero's welcome that was given when lockerbie bomber returned to libya. megyn: thank you, kelly. bill: we have a developing story here, the appearances of freemen suspected of lying to the fed's

on a u.s. terror plot. new information on why suspects like these are so critical in the fight against al qaeda. megyn: folks along the east coast filing in ufo reports. what are these mysterious lights in the sky? bill: the acorn ceo going public, saying she wants an investigation into her staffers. that is not all she is saying. roll this. >> president obama is a very smart, very thoughtful person. what he does is his position. i would never presume to tell the president. >> he said that he believes that acorn should be investigated. >> that is his opinion also.

bill: we are waiting three high- profile crimes for three men at the center of a terror investigation. they are in court in denver, charged with making false statements to federal agents. more charges could be filed today. in new york they are holding a hearing for the leader of a mosque in queens. there were a series of raids in new york, the fbi is looking at a number of people in the u.s. and elsewhere. was there a target? if so, who was that? -- what was it? mike baker is the head of a global intelligence security firm. good morning. he made two trips, we really miss this guy. it could have cost us a lot.

>> there is so much to talk about here. what is important is that this is still part of an investigation that has been going on for a great deal of time, covering a number of state, local, and federal authorities. this thing has been building. it is not just something that happened because he popped up on the screen. bill: september 10, this guy drives the new york city from colorado. september 14, erase carried out in queens. last week he was questioned three times before his lawyer said hang on for a moment. late on saturday night these arrests were carried out in aurora, colorado. usually it does not go this way. can you fill in the pieces as to how the investigation is going?

>> ideally it follows a certain process. in the real world you unfortunately have a range of factors influencing how things happen. you never get to the point where you get all the information that you want before you take action. in a case like this, as is often the case, he made these trips to northwest provinces, by his own admission, apparently, he traveled there twice. there is computer evidence, which can be very important in investigations like this. nine pages of handwritten notes, in his handwriting, apparently, about bomb making. also evidence from the computer that there had been scouting of sites in new york city. bill: sports arenas? >> subway systems and other facilities.

one of the problems here is that because we have not had another attack since 9/11, people do not get -- not complacent, but less aware of potential threats. there's a tendency to believe that the tent -- that the threat will come from some kind of lex luthor type character. then you see a guy like zazi, there on the screen, you think how can this guy be behind it? but then it all starts to add up. no offense to docks, but if it walks and talks like one. bill: it is a duck. my question was, how many more of these guys are out there? we have three characters, do we have all of the guys involved? another great point that has to be mentioned, he is an american

citizen. this is part of their overall strategy. going back to 9/11, they know that they cannot go that route anymore, so they have got to get people who are already in the country. >> this is an important part of their strategic effort, identifying individuals allied with the united states. how do they do that? they work with what they have got. already sympathetic contacts in pakistan and elsewhere. those individuals start to work on that, just in tobacco recruitment they look for those individuals that they might be able to bring into the fold. bill: some have suggested that they were forced to act earlier than they wanted to. are you able to evaluate? >> that would be speculation on my part. from what we are hearing, they

were contacted by their own admission, training with the evidence that they have been building on the computers, you do not need a high degree of sophistication to carry out a deadly attack. look at madrid and the bombings there. look at london and the bombings there. these kinds of attacks, they do not need a high level of motivation or resources. bill: one more point to make, according to reports last week he admitted that he had trained in terror camps along the border. we are keeping a close eye on that to see how things develop in brooklyn and denver. megyn: they were supposed to keep this report secret. that did not work. fox news is confirming a dire warning from the top general in afghanistan about the war there.

what is he saying? what is the president's next move going to be? bill: did you live on the east coast this weekend? the truth is out there, what the heck is that? megyn: pretty.

bill: can you identify that music? megyn: i am going to go with the ramones. bill: many folks saudis over the weekend. lights, maybe ufos?

i did not see them in new york. did you? megyn: i think that was asleep. bill: there was not a cloud in the sky this weekend. which was a great time to see something like this in the backyard. nasa says that this was caused by their new rocket, the " been on board is to look at high altitude clouds. thathat is the satellite, that s the rocket. i in this guide. megyn: cue conspiracy theories. when undercover video emerged showing acorn staffers showing -- trying to help a pimp and prostitute skirt the law, the acorn ceo and chief organizer

dismissed it. what a difference some public outrage makes. acorn's official website now admits that the employees were caught in manipulation and lies. and here is their top executive on fox news sunday. >> is this the new improved acorn? >> immediately these people were terminated. >> you said it was a conspiracy. >> they were terminated immediately. what did i also do? i made sure that we had an independent review, made sure that they were suspended in their activities so that we could review what did and did not work. i have an obligation to my board, my members, and by other employees that i actually practice professionally high standards.

megyn: is that how you remember it? really? eric, all right, bertha lewis says that she was out rage. what is she going to do about it? >> today she may announced the deployment of an independent auditor to audit acorn, its finances and procedures. this after the scandal that resulted in the firing of five employees and the suspension of two. during the interview she did not promise to open the books. critics have accused acorn of using taxpayer money for political purposes. one of their own lawyers has warned that could be a possibility. in some cases those politicians fund acorn with taxpayer money. they would not say if she would clke the finances publicly

available. >> are you willing to open your books? >> i am willing to do the work every single day, distracted -- not get distracted, doing the things that we do not do well -- doing things that we do well well and reforming the things that we do not do well. >> states and localities are being encouraged to freeze taxpayer money to acorn. megyn: viewers should know that acorn has already hired independent auditors to make sure that money designated for one purpose is not been used for another purpose. they have already had independent auditors. we all know how well that has gone. we will have to look into this new product. in the meantime bertha lewis has gone from threatening these

lawmakers to actually threatening. >> last week she actually thanked them for making the videos. she said that they performed a good service. talk about a change of heart. let's look at what happened when we broke the story, this was their first reaction on september 10. that the tapes were false and defamatory. two days later lewis said that it was clear that the videos were doctored and added it -- edited. fox did not make the tapes, we reported on them. if acorn is thinking the filmmakers, they should thank us for breaking the story. you know what? i do not think i will hold my breath. megyn: further updates to follow. thank you, eric.

bill: the president appeared of five sunday talk shows. he attempted to move the debate forward. i think that i caught three of the five. what is the score this morning? bob and andrea, warming up. megyn: animal control in florida, finding a new type of py hon. this one is more aggressive than anything they have ever seen. aggressive and python are not words that you want to see together.

bill: the situation on the ground in afghanistan, bad and getting worse. fox news confirming that report is coming from general stanley mcchrystal, supported by president obama just a couple of months back.

he is warning of a possible failure of more troops do not join the fight. we are learning that the pentagon is going to ask for more forces. what is the headline this morning? >> essentially that the top commander in afghanistan is saying to give me more troops or there will be failure in the war in afghanistan. "failure to reverse this in the near term, afghan security capacity mature is, the risk in the outcome in defeating the insurgency may no longer be possible. we rent -- we know that the report exists, to get the detail forces the hand of the administration a little bit. bill: on the sunday talk shows he was asked about a couple of times, what was the answer? >> he tried to avoid boxing

himself in, saying that he was not convinced or that he was skeptical of the need for more troops. >> i have to exercise skepticism any time i send a single young man or woman into harm's way. i am responsible to their parents if they do not come home. >> that may be what got this on to the front page of the papers, forcing the administration to talk more about troops. bill: thank you, mike. we also want to hear from you. add to our website, foxnews.com. under the title, click on the you decide link. should president obama ordered more ground forces? also, major comments, happening now on our website. megyn: president obama getting

an unexpected definition in word definitions on the sunday talk shows this weekend. take a listen to this exchange with george stephanopoulos when the president was asked how an individual mandate requiring people to purchase health insurance or pay a penalty does not translate into a tax hike. >> for us to say that you have got to take a responsibility to get health insurance is absolutely not a tax increase. it is saying that we are not going and have other people carrying your burdens for you. george, you cannot just make of that language. >> i do not think i am making it up. merriam-webster dictionary, it defines tax. >> the fact that you looked up in the dictionary -- looked it up in the dictionary indicates

to me that you are stretching a bit right now. my critics say that everything is a tax increase. megyn: who is right? is it a tax hike? joining us now, bob beckel and andrea tans borough. good morning. bobbie, i will start with you. is it fair to describe this as a tax hike? >> it is not fair. you cannot put a car on the roads without insurance. you call that a tax hike? you cannot enter a national forest without paying a fee, is that a tax hike? you have to pay a fee when you fly an airplane for the federal aviation people to keep you safe. is that a tax hike? george stephanopoulos just figure is that trying to spellings own name is a tax hike. megyn: [laughter] [applause]

is it a fee or a tax hike? what does it really matter? >> it does that matter. this is all semantics. at the end of the day, when this is impose on mostly middle-class families, they are going to say that there is less money in my wallet, more going out because of barack obama. call it what you want. "the new york times" called it a tax hike. the jury has come back to tell us that this is an increase on middle class families. megyn: that is how george stephanopoulos got into it, "a bid -- a big middle-class tax increase." whenever you call it, the american people are going to have less money in their wallets. >> the american people are going to have more money, i will tell you why. the people that do not have

insurance, we are paying for them. the fact of the matter that every one that does not have an insurance policy, they go to the hospital and get themselves well and the rest of the people in this country pay for it. in the long run this is going to be a net cut for people. megyn: is that true? the democrats are putting that cost at around $1,000 every year. yet you have to pay a lot more if we do not get the coverage. >> that is right, 2.2%. very small when you look at total health-care costs. bob, that is misleading that overall this will cut costs in the end. right now, today, 43% of the uninsured could purchase insurance but do not. there will be people that are not going to purchase this kind

of insurance. >> if you do not take into account the $1,000 per person, if you do not take into account what this will do to lower the cost of premiums -- >> that is not true. >> what you mean it is not true? >> the congressional budget office -- megyn: let her make her point. >> do not argue with me. argue with numbers. they said that an individual mandate would cost middle-class families 15% of their income. i do not know how it is going to save people money. it has got to be boiled down in some way. i do not hear democrats telling me -- >> first of all, this is a classic republican response. middle-class people are going to pay 15% more? most middle-class people have

insurance already. people that do not are going have to pay so that the rest do not have to pay for them. you are going to have to come up with some answers besides no, no, no. i never bought into that, but i am starting to. you have had no thoughts had nono. -- you have had no thoughts except no. megyn: republicans have not come together as a group to offer a coherent plan that the american public to latch onto. >> republicans did offer a plan, making americans able to purchase insurance across state lines, tort reform. megyn: but it comes from a few republican senators. there has never been a coalition. >> in the house there is a coalition -- coalition. the house had a plan that they

put forward that all of them got behind. one final point that i have not heard a single democrat answer, how come barack obama say that we have 46 million uninsured, now there are 30 million? where did the rest of them go? >> if you are talking about those little pieces of paper that the republicans are waving , they do not meet the lab test. only if there was a low supply of toilet paper. the fact is you are none going to come up with anything. >> how did we go to 46 million to 30 -- from 46 million to 30 million? megyn: people are taking of the illegals. >> why were they there to begin with? megyn: a question for another day. megyn: that is a tough one,

george stephanopoulos. that poor kid, when he was in school. bill: an escaped mental patient that is also a convicted killer was on the run for days. the con founding way that he escaped from a mental institution and the bizarre coincidence that came during his capture. megyn: this not so little critter, it is called an african rock python. even has a schering name. it rose to 20 feet. it can away hundreds of pounds. it can eat pretty much anything that lights. there are questions about whether this thing is going to breed with burmese pythons in florida, entering superstate.

megyn: there are new questions this morning about the political

future of david paterson. over the weekend there were reports that president obama asked him not to run, fearing that his on popularity could hurt the broader challian says of the democratic party in new york. the white house denies this. that is about it. the governor is reassuring everyone that he is still running to keep his job. bill: did you see that? that was "and a kind of -- that

was open " anacond"anaconda 3." in florida, even more aggressive than the burmese python, there is a concern that it could mate with the african rock python, creating a sort of super snake. pat, good morning. we have detailed the movements of the burmese python on our ow for months. we are not new to this story, but we are new to the story of the african rock python. >> when it is captured by man, it is more aggressive than the burmese. one of the reasons that burmese have been so popular as pets is

that they are more docile. this is not to say that the rock python would be more aggressive in the wild. bill: is that so? i am reading that they are mean and vicious snakes. >> i think that they are just fighting for survival when they know that someone is trying to capture them. bill: with these snakes come together and make? >> that would be a possibility. our scientists believe that they would probably create a hybrid like a mule. the chances for them to have reproductive qualities that are fertile are slim. they may have the qualities of a burmese python, which means they could be a bit larger than the rock python, and it could be a bit more aggressive, but that does not imply a superstate.

bill: they are known to make in captivity. you know about that? we could make one heck of an open quot"anaconda 4" sometime soon. >> [laughter] realistically there have been four that have been captured west of miami in the last 10 months or so. we were very much aware of that. we are on top of it. this is in private, residential areas. we have permit holders permitted to go on the state area to capture reptiles of concern, which both of the african python and burmese python are a part of that list. we have worked with south florida water management, in areas near residential areas

where the rock python has been cited. bill: they have captured six since 2002. you do not strike me as a snake specialist. you like -- you look like a nice young lady in tallahassee. >> i am a spokesperson that works with the scientists very carefully. i have been on the playa -- python issue for months. i am in constant contact with our scientists. bill: in the meantime, enjoy tallahassee. >> i think i am safe here. let us know what we can do for you. bill: you are a good sport. megyn: are you being a sexist? bill:no no, she is a sweet w wo.

megyn: that is not exactly what you said. [laughter] freemen arrested in a marriage -- major terror investigation -- three men arrested in a major terror investigation. and one of them is a leader of a new york city lost as we learn more about the horrors that the men planned to unleash.

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bill: frightening days over the weekend in the state of washington. the police captured and escaped killer four days after he got away from the staff of a mental institution. he had been telling a friend that he had been released -- he was going to be released four months. that man and knowingly allowed him to stay at his house. one of those involved in the

arrest was a county sheriff that also caught him after he gave police personnel the slip in 1991. this time it was at the state fair where 31 mental institution patients were taken to the state fair without warning to the locals. hehas been recaptured. megyn: the audience for the emmy awards show has been dwindling in recent years faster than a model getting ready for fashion week. this week they tried to spice things up. did it work? >> the emmy awards are billed as television's biggest night. we heard plenty of references to some of the small screens struggles from neil patrick harris, poking fun at all of the competition from the internet. >> the future of home entertainment is the internet.

why watch something like this when you can see it like this. >> [laughter] basic cable had another strong year. best of trauma for "madmen." glenn close earned best actress for "damages." >> a huge honor. this is an incredibly competitive field, filled with talented people. it is a huge honor. >> once again, "30 rock" was a top comedy. she even got in a dig at her own network for replacing hours of scripted prime-time programming with "the jay leno show." >> we want to thank our friends nbc for keeping us on the air even though we are so much more

expensive than a talk show. >> lots of references to the fact that they do not get great ratings. we will check the numbers later today. megyn: thank you so much, jill. bill: doing all right, so far. megyn: i like "madmen." coming up later, more on the florida teenager that ran away from home because she said that she believed that her parents would kill her for converting from islam to christianity. the debate is on in "kelly's court."

[captioning made possible by fox news channel] captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org-- megyn: exactly who would have been killed and how massive was this plot? two of the questions we are getting answers to this morning thanks to when fbi terror plot investigation.

three men are under arrest this morning, headed the federal courthouse in colorado and new york to face charges in connection with this plot, the details of which are coming out and they are disturbing. welcome to a brand new hour of "america's newsroom." bill: good morning. the central suspect of of the plot, investigators say that he was working as an airport shuttle driver in denver. he had been trained in explosives in pakistan. zazi's father and a new york area of imam were arrested for lying to investigators -- new york area of imaimam were arresd for lying to investigators. megyn: help us figure this out. from colorado to york city. what were these men plotting to do?

>> that is not entirely clear. there have been reports that this was a plana pl to possiblyw up sports stadiums, venues use it for fashion week in new york. if you look at the legal papers filed at the courthouse, there is only a mention of a plot to detonate a device. there is no further elaboration. the only charge right now is lying to authorities. there are no formal charges linking them to a specific act of terror. we may learn more about this alleged court -- allegedly attacked later today. megyn: what is the specific evidence that they say that they have against the defendant? >> backpacks, cell phones, legal papers saying that during one of the raids in queens they say

that they found in a car that they were renting a computer, on which work jpeg's of handwritten documents, nine pages decamping how to make a bomb. what is interesting about this is that when zazi was asked about this, he denied any knowledge. he said that he was downloading a religious book and that it was possible that it contained information about jihad. that is one of the reasons he is accused of lying to investigators. at this time, there are no other charges. megyn: do they believe that these three are rogue terrorist or that they have larger connections? >> that is also one of the things that authorities are still trying to ascertain themselves. they say that this is an ongoing

investigation. to what extent zazi was the ringleader is not clear, but for now he is the central figure in the case. megyn: david, thank you so much. bill: an unprecedented move to stop a criminal investigation into allegedly cia prisoner abuse. seven directors, they are urging president obama to stop the attorney general from reopening the criminal investigation into the cia's post-9/11 interrogation techniques. "it creates an atmosphere of jeopardy." president obama was asked about this over the weekend, saying that he wants to move forward

but that if laws were broken those cases deserve investigation. that matter is still on the desk. megyn: a rather touchy week ahead of the international stage as world leaders gather at the u.n. general assembly here in new york. mahmoud ahmadinejad just made the whole thing a bit touchy year. last week he called holocaust a "myth designed to generate sympathy for israel." we have heard this kind of rhetoric before. he has said that he is proud that his comments have angered the west. bill: in the meantime, from the state of florida, an update on the teenage runaway who will be back in court in a few hours in florida. 17 years old, a teenager that ran away from her parents back in july. she says that her family is

conservative muslims, angry that she has converted to christianity. if forced to return home she says that she fears for her life. her parents say they love their daughter and support her decision. what should we expect from the judge today? a final decision? >> it is possible that the judge could decide whether to keep ri fqua bary long term in florida, or perhaps send her back to ohio. which is what the parents want. they have filed a motion to have all of this dismissed out of the state a flare-up -- out of florida. they believe that their daughter has been brainwashed by christians that she met over the internet. that day the word her to run awaya from home in ohio, illegally harbored her here for

two weeks. bill: where is she saying this morning? >> she has been staying in a foster home here in florida in orange county. but before that she was staying at the home of two pastors. they have a church called global revolution church that they founded recently, which preaches, among other things, that right now we are in the midst of the epic struggle of good and evil, between islam and christianity. she has just turned 17, still a minor. which is why her parents say that she should go back to their household, that this is a family matter. that when she is 18 she can do what she wants. bill: have her parents showed up at the court proceedings? >> they did at the first one, not two weeks ago.

their attorneys have advised them to file an incorrigible and unruly charge, basically getting a paper trail started, trying to get ohio children's services involved in the situation, clearly one in need of some communication. bill: we will watch that story from here in new york city as it unfolds. megyn: there has been a major update in terms of florida law enforcement when you look at this. ohio law-enforcement look at it, now a florida law enforcement officials have found information about whose story is more credible. we have more of that in "kelly's court." bill: we are hearing of a delay in court because of unexpected developments, we are live in gitmo with why he was called in

in the first place. megyn: the head of acorn appeared on "fox news sunday" to say it even she thinks there should be an investigation, but not by the feds. she wants to hire her own independent auditor. our next guest is calling for more than just a littletle bit f house cleaning. what does this lawmaker want? three minutes. >> we have terminated boats immediately. under my leadership i will make sure that we keep making sure that people are paid good wages and making sure that our corporate structure is above board.

megyn: the left wing community organization group acorn is coming under fire after a series of videos showed undercover

filmmakers posing as a pimp and a prostitute trying to skirt federal laws. the house has threatened to cut off federal funding. the senate went further with a more narrow vote to cut off funding. now the question is who else will investigate or acorn -- investigate acorn? will they finally open up their books to the u.s. congress? >> before we provide additional grants or make you eligible for additional grants, would not be fair for you to demonstrate to the federal government that you now have those separations? whether it is price waterhouse or someone else, will you assure us that that is the case? my opinion is that you should not get another penny of federal dollars until you demonstrate that the money is fire wall only for that use and that that has not been the house

-- history of the organization. >> are you willing to open up the books? >> i am willing to do the work that i am willing to do every single day. not be distracted. make sure that the things that we do well we keep up, the things that we do not that we change and reform. megyn: i did not hear a yes. joining us now, lamar smith from texas. he is pushing for an fbi investigation of acorn. good morning, congressman. let's start with that exchange. congressman issa, he has been pushing for months for something to be done about acorn. he calls them a criminal enterprise. sitting next to her he said that if you claim that you have cleaned up acorn in you are not letting the taxpayer money go to the portions of acorn that are openly political, let us see the books.

come into congress, let us see the books and verify for ourselves. she did not accept the invitation. what can you do to make her except ait? >> there needs to be an all-out investigation. not just these recent allegations of prostitution, there is also the voter registration fraud that has been going on for years. i think that the investigation should go forward by the fbi and the department of justice. furthermore i think that the leadership at the offices of acorn needs to be resign immediately and replaced. massive problems that they have had to put up with in the last year or two.

megyn: they got rid of the man that covered up the embezzlement. under bertha lewis, look what we got, all of those guilty verdicts in voter fraud. now we have this. >> there is no end to it. the organization needs to be replaced immediately while the investigation is going on. what we are getting at when we talk about voter registration over last year, that is a right.ental constitutionall when you start tampering the investigations in america, you are talking about tampering with democracy. megyn: i want to ask you, they know about acorn at this point, but the question is what is going to be done about it. we have had other people from the committee, and they have said that john conyers originally said that he is going to investigate acorn, then they said never mind, when asked why

not he said the powers that be. we talked about him every day for two weeks. we have invited him on to defended himself and he has declined. >> that is why we need the inspector general to investigate as well. crime's been committed. individuals convicted. we need to get to the bottom of it. what acorn has recently proposed is too little, too late. we need a lot of people to resign immediately. megyn: how do you convince the doj to investigate, or the fbi? >> the inspector general is independent of the department of justice itself. i am convinced that they are individuals of integrity, they know that the in -- that the american people are watching. megyn: what would be the

justification for doing it now? i know that we have these undercover videos, but in these cases no laws were skirted because it was really just a guy and a gal posing as a pimp and a prostitute and no phony forms were ever filed. >> we do not know if this is the tip of the iceberg or if there are other types of activities like this. what we do know is that that is a fundamental violation of our constitution, undercutting democracy. people have been convicted of that already that have been associated with acorn. that is why there is not just this most recent allegation, but equally as important all of the voter registration fraud that has occurred where election results might have been changed. megyn: at fox news we have a story coming out this week that is a stunning on that front. we have been working on the documentary. quickly, before you go, even president obama said that acorn

ought to be investigated after having seen those tapes. does that help? >> it certainly does. bipartisan agreement pushing the investigation, your favorite words, let's go forward. a full-scale investigation that will satisfy congress and the american people. even the president has called for it. let's trust the fbi and the department of justice in this case. megyn: what can our viewers do? who should contact? >> your member of congress in the house or senate. let them know that you are watching, you are checking to make sure that this investigation goes forward and you will not put up with any of the possibly illegal activities. megyn: they do not want to put up with it, but they have been forced to why some folks in congress. thank you so much for coming on. bill: we have heard dozens political leaders in the white

house suggesting improvements to the new health care reform bill in the senate. what could these mean for every american watching the program? megyn: florida game officials that in a couple of days ago and delilah from her for it -- from her florida home. remember her? the strange and scary reason, right after the break.

megyn: she only weighs 301 pounds. she is 18 feet long. her name is delilah. delilah! this is not the delilah that tom jones immortalized in song.

she is down in florida. she was seized from her owner. it took many musket look -- many muscular men to take her away. do not let the looks fool you. >> she is not aggressive, she is not attacking me. she is a captive born and raised its stake. someone put a lot of love and his animal. >> her owner, robert teeter, is facing a charge of not save the keeping his head and not having a permit after she got out. he can get her back if he takes care of those issues. good luck with that. bill: breaking news, the five men accused of plotting the 9/11 terror attacks are suspected in court on monday. the obama administration requested a delay, considering whether or not to move the trials to civilian court rules

on the mainland. catherine is live at gitmo. what do we expect today? >> what we expect in just a couple of hours, they will be in the courthouse that is about 100 yards from where i am standing right now. they are being asked to weigh in on the the late for the third time in their cases. the reason they are being asked is because they are acting as their own attorneys. ultimately a judge will decide whether to grant the third the leg. it is a bizarre situation to say the least. bill: if they move the hearings away from gitmo, where will they go? how much as the white house tipped their hand on that? >> there was a briefing last night with the chief prosecutor who said that no final decision has been made. but it would seem that the leading candidates are new york city or the eastern district of

virginia. i have heard that the virginia then you may be very viable, partly because the expectation is that if they take them to new york the defense team will argue for a change of venue, that they cannot get an impartial jury in that city. bill: you know the amount of respect or lack of respect that they have shown the process. describe. >> i was here a couple of months ago. one of the 9/11 conspirators, he was accused of being a facilitator, he made a paper airplane like this one, and he shot it at one of his codefendants. i saw the codefendant open it up like this. then they looked at each other and started laughing. it is only since that i have learned that on the inside of that airplane he had written the 9/11 flight numbers of the

airplanes involved. clearly a sinister and disrespectful gesture. the cynicism of making an airplane out of paper and flying it inside of a military commission court room was disgusting to say the least. bill: we are waiting to see if a judge grants an indefinite delay in these hearings. thank you. megyn: hours from now we may learn that a florida judge will send a 17-year-old girl that converted to christianity back to live with her muslim parents. she said she fears that her father will kill her. her parents say that she has been brainwashed by christian fundamentalists. new facts are emerging today on who is telling the truth. "kelly's court" investigates. bill: the un, just days after scrapping that missile defense shield, how will that affect the president's efforts on building

a missile defense shield? more on that issue this morning.

megyn: a scramble is taking place on capitol hill. tomorrow the senate finance committee takes on the so-called max baucus bill. all of the plans out there, his is considered the most moderate. because of that it is being attacked by both sides.

in the weeks that he has -- in the weeks since he has released his bill there have been more than 500 proposed amendments. 500 amendments. it appears that everyone wants to weigh in. >> no question about it. we are being told that there could be big changes in store for that $856 billion max baucus plan announced last week. the committee will start discussing it tomorrow. it got no republican support last week. it got a measured welcome from the administration. but democrats, many of them said it will lot provide enough in government subsidies for lower class and middle-class families for people to purchase health insurance, which they would be required to do. certaon sunday the president suggested that he could support bigger subsidies for those people. among the amendments, bringing back the idea of the public

option, or the government run health insurance company. megyn: you know, carl cameron said last week that the only thing bipartisan about this bill is the opposition to it. is there any hope? of given how displeased both sides are with this bill, there seems to be no coalition behind it at this thnt. is there any chance that this thing is going to get the wind behind it? >> and right now because of a lack of republican support it looks likely that max baucus and the democratic leadership are going to have back of the left, trying to solidify support amongst democrats in the senate. there is an old saying in washington, if a piece of legislation comes out and nobody likes that and it -- and nobody is happy, it is probably a pretty fair deal. megyn: when both sides walk away

happy in a lawsuit, they often say that you have done your job -- with both sides walk away on happy in a lawsuit, they often say -- unhappy in a lawsuit, they say that you have done your job. bill: president obama rise in york city this week getting ready for speeches and meetings the u.n. general assembly. this after he scrapped plans for a missile defense shield in europe. that decision change the way they keep players like iran, roger, and north korea view the administration -- iran, russia, and north to review the administration? you wrote a piece about this, a decision last week, strengthening his hand or weakening it, with these critical meetings? >> i am not sure what their game

is. when i worked for reagan, you know, with any negotiation you do not give away your strong base of support. we canceled this missile shield, and we did not get anything from the russians. we did not get any cooperation over the iranian nuclear program. the soviet russian foreign minister said that they would not great -- cooperate. bill: the white house said that they knew that the meetings were coming. what was the strategy? >> here is the thing, they argue that they did not needed because technologically it was not quite what it wanted to do. even more of a reason to strike in negotiating position. if we are willing to sort of offer things to the czech republic, poland on a flight to russia, when you are israel you say that there is nothing that is going to stop the iranian nuclear program. americans are not willing to get

any concessions. where does it leave us? can we count on america? allies are scratching their heads. adversaries, like russia and iran, are saying that it is a tough negotiation. bill: if they are scratching their heads,, are they confused? do they not know what is going on? or do they view this administration as a week? >> the review -- a view the administration has week. russia would have paid dearly for us to drop the missile shield. the missile shield in poland and the czech republic, areas that they consider their lost empire. if we had been willing to give it up, we could have gotten something for it. we got nothing for it. the obama administration has said that there is no quid pro quo. we handed them a great

concession. bill: the thinking is that if you give it here, they will give some on the backside. maybe get some concessions from iran. what is his next move? >> he is going to the u.n.. now you are going to see, has this gesture of goodwill that he has clearly offered to the russians and iranians, is he going to get something for it? are the russians going to cooperate with the united nations over gasoline sanctions on iran? maybe they will cooperate in making sure that iran does not have the assistance it needs for a nuclear program. bill: do you think that happen? >> no, i do not think that what happened at all. bill: we have a weaker hand? >> we used to have a strong hand. it was an extraordinarily missed opportunity. we had very little pressure on iran directly.

we have lots of ability to pressure them through russia. we have just given it up. bill: many have argued that the president's greatest attribute is to sit across the table and do you buy it? >> no, he has done a lot of opening moves to a number of countries. he has offered a hand of friendship five times to iran. his inaugural address, his cairo speech, on and on. none of those have produced anything other than the iranians belatedly saying that they will come to the negotiating table but it will not talk about the nuclear issue. bill: what about what lindsay gramm is selling? >> there is a credibility gap between his speeches and what he is dealing. he cannot even close the deal. this is a significant short- selling from the obama administration, that he is not willing to take the tough approach that he needs.

bill: we are expecting a speech from the president on wednesday. we will carry it live. we will listen until then. k.t., thank you. megyn: she ran away from home after converting from islam to christianity, saying that her muslim father would kill her for doing it. now her parents are fighting to get her back, saying that she has been brainwashed. a new police report that just came out clearly helps one side in this debate. we will tell you which one in "kelly's court." bill: a modern day scarlet letter. the life that one woman is going through after cheating on her boyfriend, after this.

jane: good morning, everyone. we will see with the top of the hour.

the trial in the bahamas getting underway today in the wake of john travolta as son's death. wait until you hear what the defendant is charged with doing. jon: he called himself a psycho sam on the internet, now he is charged in the death of a minister and his daughter. wait until you hear this t bizarre story, next. megyn: "kelly's court" is back in session. is she telling the truth? she ran to florida, claiming that she feared her father would kill her for converting from islam to christianity. a new report confirms that the team is not facing any credible threat. should that be the end of the matter? should she be sent home? let's ask our panel.

good morning. you know, the more that we see in this case, the more that law enforcement authorities look into it, they seem to be siding with the parents. they do not see any evidence of abuse or a threat. so, what should this florida judge to do? >> i have got to tell you, this does not surprise me in one sense. the juvenile court but said two issues, risk of juvenile harm, risk ought -- risk of physical harm, risk of psychological harm. there were two young girls in dallas last year that were allegedly killed by their father as an honor killing. maybe she looked at his fundamental values and feared harm. kids that are allegedly sexually abused, one of the strong pieces of evidence was

the psychological harm as the court continues to detain the children based on risk of psychological harm. megyn: is that enough? even if it is not a legitimate fear that if there is no evidence to support her, but she fears it nonetheless, is that a basis for withholding her from her parents? >> not so. david makes a decent argument but it does not fly when it comes to law. you have two groups of officials that have already said that ohio and florida officials have both said they have investigated and spoken to the parties. they are siding with the family. in all likelihood this judge is going to send her back to ohio, to her family, as there are continued issues that can be dealt with by an ohio court. that does not mean that the florida court cannot -- megyn: i do not care about

jurisdiction. someone is going to decide. but what happens to rifqa bary? the she go back to her parents? >> when you have two groups of officials saying that there is no truth and little evidence whatsoever of here -- of her being abused. megyn: do they not need to find some corroboration? authorities are now saying that they cannot substantiate these fears. that the school said that they had no reports of any abuse or threatening behavior from the parents. they have been trying to find backup for her story and they cannot do it. >> she is 17. what kind of upbringing did she have that led her to have these beliefs and fears? this would not be the first time that i have seen a child that was told to keep quiet when it came to threats from their parents. also, you return a 17-year-old

to parents that she is in eminent hereof, guess what happens? she runs. there is no question that will happen here. megyn: her parents say that she has been brainwashed. that this church that she found online is an extremist sort of grew and that they are known for doing this. and that this is not the real rifqa, because once they get her back she will be okay because she will be away from their influence. they are blaming this pastor and his wife in florida. >> exactly. who are these people on line? this group has been pulling these teens, and that may come forward as the investigation deepens. look at this. if this is a child that is not allowed to have a social life in her eyes cool, why is she in

that cheerleading outfit? muslim family values being imposed? that seems to fly in the face of the accusation. megyn: you mentioned that case in texas, those two girls that were murdered by their father in an honor killing, they were considered to western just because they started dating. believe me, that father never would have let those girls run around in a cheerleading uniform. according to authorities, they saw a picture of rifqa bary in the cheerleading uniform in the parents' house. there seems to be independent evidence that they were allowing her to live as a westerner. >> that maybe, but why did she have this fear? the bottom line is that you cannot bring them back together until some counseling has taken

place. if that happens without counseling, she will go home and run. >> two different groups confirmed that there is no evidence of this. megyn: what if david is right? she is claiming that her father puncher in the face because she said she was embarrassed to wear the muslim headscarf. he denies it. but sometimes when you refuse, you say nothing? >> this child has been separated from her family for quite some time. she has had relationships with people in the school. school officials have denied any abuse or indication that she was abused. obviously something would have manifest itself, it would have been detected in a school setting. schools are so hypersensitive to this abuse, no officials have come forward. megyn: i do not envy the judge

and his job in ohio. one final word for our viewings -- for our viewers. honor killings are real, sadly, and they are happening in this country. the judge cannot ignore the fears, but he is looking at the evidence. so far it is not clear that her fears are justified. one thing however, it is clear, rifqa bary has been brainwashed or her parents actually pose a threat. either way, this girl needs help and supervision by the state on an ongoing basis. bill: in the meantime, remember that vicious beat down on tape? we will follow up on that. do we need rehabilitation for spending too much time on the internet? fighting the e-addiction online. next. >> ♪ i have become comfortably numbe ♪

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[captioning made possible by fox news channel] captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org-- megyn: this is disturbing. breaking out on a school bus. two teenagers were brutally attacking a fellow student after he had the nerve to ask to sit down on the school bus. all he wanted to do was sit down. last week, we debated whether these two boys should be charged criminally. they are 14 and 15 years old. they have been charged with aggravated battery charges. they are charged as juveniles. illinois law does not allow them to be charged with a crime like that.

the video from this bus shows the boys repeatedly punching this kid who did not fight back the principal says that the school will not tolerate bullying. bill: i hope not, for crying out loud. megyn: they have been suspended, but will they be expelled? bill: we know about rehab for drugs and alcohol. how about rehab for being on line to log? it is now open. dan springer is live in seattle. you went to the rehab center. and you hear me? good morning. what did you find? >> i will be right with you. i'm just on my blackberry here. i am sorry. this is the retreat center. we went out there last week this is really just a paradise for people who want to get away from technology.

that is what it is set up to be. it is kind of out in the middle of nowhere. it is a wooded property. they have chickens, a garden. this is a way to get away from the things that people are addicted to like blackberries or the internet, but mainly games that people play on the internet. the target audience is that 18 to 26-year-old guy. now he is on his homown and he cannot function in society. it starts at $14,500. it is not cheap. it is a 45-day inpatient program that is devoted strictly for people addicted to internet use. bill: in a word, does it work? >> in a word, i think there is debate whether people actually need this or not.

we talked to an 18-year-old kid who said that he was on line for 16 hours a day. bill: he is worse than we are. i feel slightly better now. thank you, dan springer. megyn: don't you hate it when you are out to dinner and someone is on their blackberry? we have to go, but we will be right back after this break.