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bill: no one asked about van jones or the acorn scandal. >> is not something i have followed closely. i did not know that acorn was getting this coverage. all that i know is that what i saw on the video was certainly appropriate. >> you are not committing to cutting off federal funding? >> not something i pay a lot of attention to. bill: political corruption is involved. something the president should pay attention to. it is a situation that should be investigated by the justice department. mr. obama should order that right now. as far as health care is concerned, the president sees it this way. >> what i have proposed is a modest attempt to make

that hard-working families out there are going to have health care that they can count on. this is not a radical plan. this is not drafting a single payer model on to the united states. it is simply dealing with what everyone knows is a great problem. they have tried to use this as a proxy for vastly taking over government and expanding every sector of the economy. i think that they are wrong. bill: the key issue is the massive expensive health care. the president believes that the president -- that the country can crack down on waste and fraud to pay for waste -- to pay for health care. wells believes that?

the interviewer should have zeroed in on that. but they did not. the president, making them pay a penalty if they do not. he is right, it is not a tax. >> i do not think that illegal immigrants -- we do that for a whole range of programs. that is a straightforward principle bill: -- principal. bill: i like the president when he speaks simply with no wiggle room. he did that on the race issue. >> this is cat net -- catnip to

the media, because it is a running thread in american history, and i am not saying that race does not matter, but i am saying that this debate that is taking place is not about race, it should have been about people worried about how the government should operate. bill: that is 100% accurate. on the subject of national security the president was confronted by this. >> they have asked you to use your authority to stop the investigation of the bush-era interrogation. >> i respect all seven of them. i have absolute respect and

reliance upon a robust cia. i want to look forward and not backward on this issue. i do not want to get into the business of squelching investigations being conducted. bill: it is a weak answer. the president should make the call. he has the power. mr. obama is being disingenuous. more on this story, coming up. finally, there was this on cbs. >> i have no interest in increasing the size of government, i just want a smaller government that is regulating smartly, so i do not have to engage in this.

even though we are having a passionate disagreement, acknowledging that we are all patriots, i do not assume the worst in people's motives. -the 24-hour news cycle focuses on the most extrem elements on both sides. they cannot get enough of a conflict. catnip to the media right now. the easiest way to get 15 minutes of fame is to be rude to someone. >> -- bill: sometimes seeking the truth demands for skilled -- demands forceful dialogue. you can see people doing it all the time. all in all, he was able to get

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bill:juan, i know i have gone desperately wrong in your mind. tell me where and how. >> i agree with you and the president, the way that people can get their 15 minutes of fame is to be rude.

let's go to acorn, that is where you were wrong. when it comes to acorn the president was on target when he said that this is a knat of a controversy. they do not get many taxpayer dollars. $50 million over 10 years? what we are talking about here is this terrible indefensible behavior. bill: it is below the radar screen of the president. they get a lot more in state and local taxes. acorn owns $50 million of the real estate in city hall. i said, it is not afghanistan or health care. obama has a tied to acorn.

for appearance's sake he should have been right out front. this is unacceptable. i am calling for a federal investigation. that would have put it to bed. >> do you not think that this is way overblown? bill: it was hard to get. the attorney general has issued a subpoena. >> you are talking about a little bit of money. you are going after the oil companies, pointing out how they are gouging people. bill: you know what i am talking about? >> there is another reason for

the president to talk about acorn, just vote on it. it will eventually go to his desk. the president will have to veto it. or sign it. it is not irrelevant. you cannot buy the argument. bill: it is also the symbolic nature of the egregious this. juan, with national security we have the admiral coming up behind you. cia directors, they write him a letter. was that not merely mouth? >> i am surprised that you. what you have to understand is that the democratic congress led by the far left, people that you

keep an eye on, they will have an investigation. he can shut down justice. he cannot tell the u.s. congress not to have an investigation. bill: he will not do that. what do you say? >> several people, two days before, said that these interrogations' are compromising national security. it is ironic that the president will not call for a change with acorn on tape. bill: that is a bigger issue. i agree, the interrogation deal is much bigger. what about the meanness and the rudeness? this has got to be directed at fox news? not 100%, but that is rude. they did not do the interview with chris wallace. people are thinking that

o'reilly is part of the problem. i am rude sometimes, but always in pursuit of the story. >> do not forget, obama talked to you. bill: i do not know if you live again. >> i think that he will. one, the broadcast side of fox did not carry his last joint address. bill: everyone else did. >> this was a big domestic policy for him. bill: he is getting revenge, it is small. let's look, the second thing is that he got called a racist on our network. he did not like that. he feels that the network is trying to pull him down. but i agree with you. for all the grants they, it was no news -- for all of that grandstanding, it was predictable.

bill: elliott is the guest, she gets the last word. >> he thinks that he of the leader. that he is on the way. that he represents all the people. i think that they missed a tremendous opportunity. those people were at church, not watching sunday shows. bill: if he had talked to us it would have been an event. thank you. three muslims arrested on terrorism related charges. apparently they wanted to set off bombs. body language, the head of acorn getting grilled by chris wallace. mullins away. -- moments away.

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bill: impact segment, the

federal authorities have arrested three men. an alleged terror plot. the ringleader, zazi, admits that he traveled to pakistan for explosives training from al qaeda, then he was charged with lying to federal agents and they appeared in court. also, seven former heads of the cia signed a joint letter to president obama that we just discovered, asking him to stop looking into the torture performed by the cia under the bush administration. chief, what i am not getting here is that if all seven of you guys, and i believe that leon panetta agrees with you, that this is destructive to national security and president obama goes on sunday shows yesterday saying that he respects you guys, but that he will not override his attorney general based on the integrity of the

investigation, but it is national security, why are you not getting that? what do you say? >> if this were a brand new investigation, that would be one thing. bill: they do not trust it. eric holder is a left wing guy. they do not trust the investigation. is it as simple as that? >> they do not have a substantive quarrel with the investigation. bill: why does the aclu continue to sue if, as you say, it is put to bed. >> some of the non-governmental organizations have other agendas. the key thing is that the president is responsible for the intelligence community and the justice department. the executive branch works for him.

he made a curious statement, that this was not a criminal investigation. bill: he is right. they have not launched criminal investigations. they're looking to see if there is enough. the appearance is what you wrote. >> i was going to say, if they want to turn this off, that this was an investigation to see if they would have an investigation, if that makes it easier, i am all for it. bill: obama is throwing sock to the far left. modern, conservative, libertarian americans, they do not want it. as you wrote in your letter, it does not matter if it is a criminal or pre-criminal

investigation, it sends a chilling message to the cia and the intelligence network. you had better watch your step. do not take chances. >> not only watching yourself, but you cannot trust the guidance given to you in writing by the apartment of justice. that is what these people did. what is really crucial here is that the president' bid set the policy with any other way for the intelligence community. by broadcasting the details of the limitations, it is two things. you want your enemy to be uncertain. you also wanted her friend intelligence services from working with us. -- you also do not want to deter

intelligence agencies that are friendly from working with us. bill: obama was very shrewd according to some. right now he is doing the renditions thing. the obama administration is sending captured guys to other countries just like the bush administration. they are doing it quietly but they are doing it. i am glad that you signed the letter, standing up and saying to the nation that this is bad for america, bad policy, bad leadership, get it done. >> the general reopened it and we closed it. we will ask him to do it if you will not. bill: the far left continues to say that i support a public option. of course, that is not true. we will analyze the sunday

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bill: president obama, this week george stephanopoulos asked the president if he was taxing people by forcing them to purchase health insurance. >> for us to say that you have got to take a responsibility to get health insurance is not a tax increase. it is saying that we are not one have other people carrying your burdens for you. >> in the dictionary says it is a charge imposed on people or property for public purposes. >> the fact that you look it up indicates to me that you are stretching. bill: interesting. here is our body language maven.

it was a tough question. americans do not like to be forced to buy anything. but he diverts said. this is a rhetorical body language thing. he seizes on the dictionary to try to get away from what has happened. >> the first thing that i noted was two defensive gestures. he tucked down his chin in he kicked out his butt. bill: how can you see that? >> in the two-shot. his foot goes out. bill: like he wants to kick george? >> the lower half of the body is where emotions speak louder. when you see movement in the lower half, that is when you recognize it. bill: interesting. so, when you get agitated or uncomfortable, -- there it is --

that is an involuntary gesture showing that he does not like the question? >> no, you just know that you have hit an emotional chord. what he does is he leans forward. there is an intense look. he controls himself. that is when the finger stops pressing. bill: at the top, he seized upon the dictionary thing to divert attention, which is true. bertha lewis did appear with chris wallace yesterday. roll the tape. >> it is not entirely perfect. i think that covers, you know, will be looking at doing an anti-acorn amendment and singling out the organization. we continue to make sure that our employees, if they are too

stupid to understand the they are not reaching professional standards, we terminate them. bill: what to do pickup? at lot of that movement? -- what did you pick up? a lot of head movement? >> it was very defensive. there was a body language locked down. the speech is not moving her body. we concentrate our words through gestures. i question why. she must have been feeling that she needed to keep her guard up. bill: i think she is sincere. she has practiced. she rehearsed it. a few people, this is what she believes -- i think that acorn is totally out of control. i respect her for going on with chris wallace. but i think she does not have control of that organization.

she believes that it is just a few. >> we analyze her body language before, it was the same thing. she is defensive because she has no choice. you can see, she feels she is being overwhelmed. bill: she would be in the category of a true believer? >> yes. she looks down a lot, but she breaks i contact often. when you see someone breaking my contact, stalker staring is one thing, but breaking i contact gives the impression that you are not sincere. alito seven senators voted against funding acorn. -- bill: 7 senators voted against funding acorn. -- voted against ending the funding for acorn. one of them is kirsten gillibrand. >> i did not think that it was

right to punish the families most in need at the time because of the actions of a few. >> if i could follow up, senator schumer voted to cut off funding. you guys are on different pages? >> i guess so. i would speak to senator schumer, i am sure that he has his reasons. let's interesting, her voice was very breathy -- >> interesting, her voice was very breathy. she blinked 30 times in 20 seconds. bill: you mention chuck schumer, everyone starts blinking like mad. you kidding? >> [laughter] she puts on that smile, that masking smile. bill: i really hate him but i cannot say so? >> not necessarily, but she does not know what her next the

motion is. bill: he is mad at us, he will not return our calls. that is stupid. she was nervous. anyone would be if they were talking to greg jenkins. do you know him? of vicious. all right, thank you. when we come back, bernie goldberg has been taking notes on the sunday morning obama chat. which ones did well? which ones did poorly? pothole:h no...your tire's all flat and junk. oh, did i do that? here, let me get my cellular out - call ya a wrecker. ...oh shoot...i got no phone ...cuz i'm a pothole...so....k, bye! anncr: accidents are bad. anncr: but geico's good. with emergency road service. ding!

bill: thank you for staying with us. president obama appeared on abc, cnn, and univision on sunday morning. not fox news. how did the interviewers do? joining us now, our fox news

analyst, bernie goldberg. everyone has an -- anxious to hear what you have to say. the consensus is that it was an easy ride. >> let me pick up on what you said about fox. i think that the guys at the white house think it you have a couple of people on this network whose lips are moving. if they are talking, they are bashing the president. the entertainment network, running "so you think you can dance." these guys are saying -- you want to play like that? we can do that. bill: is not mature. it hurts them. >> i agree. i agree. let me make this point, they are not simply boycotting the fox news channel. they are boycotting all of the

people that watch fox. they do not have to worry about the conservatives. those people are never going to vote for obama. 22% of the people that watch this network, 22% identify themselves as independent. bill: that is right. >> that is a lot. you would think that the smart guys in the white house would say that they should go on fox and speak to them. i do not know. that seems like the smart thing to do. bill: did you hear chris wallace? the biggest crybabies he has seen in 30 years. i tried to give the president a fair shot. i know that shepard smith and greta van susteren does. how many shots to you need? before you stop being nice? >> these guys are saying, want to screw with us?

they are saying screw you, fox. bill: stupid. i did not get much out of that. any of those networks. george stephanopoulos was the most feisty. >> i thought that. i thought he was very good. overall, i thought that even though no one made news, there were no really hardball questions, i think that basically they were better than they used to be. that is because they realize that the american people have lost faith in them, do not trust them. they can dismiss my book, but they cannot dismiss polls by independent groups. bill: as well as falling ratings. how can you say that when the only guy that asked about acorn was stephanopoulos? those other guys miss the story

for two weeks? come on. >> these guys ignored it all of the way through. they ignored jones all of the way through also. one thing that i found interesting, from my old colleague bob schieffer, cbs. i will do my old impression here with the glasses. "it seems to me that there is a sort of mean nest that has settled over political dialogue. it started this summer at the town hall meetings." in case he is listening, and i know he is not, because of the media elite bauble, if he is listening, let me tell you something, it did not start this summer. remember the liberals from new york to california were calling george bush a moron and a nazi? harry reid told a bunch of high school kids that george bush is a loser.

remember when they portrayed dick cheney as a fascist? it did not start the day before yesterday, it started a long time ao. you did not realize it because it was aimed at republicans before. now that it is aimed at a liberal democrat, it bothers you. you should have had it all along. bill: the internet is a safe haven for lawyers. i want to get your opinion on it. the latest is that i am endorsing a public option in health care. >> desperate to prevent consumers from having the choice of a public health insurance option. they thought that they could kill it dead in its tracks. smart money in washington thought that they were right. it looks like a mist. even below riley understands why

it is important for consumers to have a choice. >> the public option is done. it will not happen. if the government can come up with a marketplace where a bunch of insurance companies come together to offer lower premiums, that is a good thing. obviously, running that fled before, i was talking about private insurance companies. let's do not shoot the messenger, i am your friend, -- >> do not shoot the messenger, i am your friend. you also said that if the government could cobble together a cheaper insurance policy that could give the same benefits, i see that as a plus. i know what you men. you absolutely did. you are a big rise for the left. -- you are a big prize for the left.

" bill: but i clarified myself. it just drives me crazy that you cannot have an honest dialogue in this country anymore. >> you are right. bill: in a moment, a big python of lard in south florida. they are after us right after this period. -- they are after us right after this. .

>> i am deeply disturbed by those accusations.

bill: wow. the ghost of herbert hoover will be interested to hear that. >> whoever these guys are -- the factor is the factor. that is it. the factor is the factor. that is what is important. people love the land back and bill riley. that is what matters. people want to go where they can find the truth. they are not find that on these other channels.

bill: msnbc, cnbc, and others are losing to our fox news channel. >> now you have a lawsuit you're pushing and people do not think you can win. why do you still push that? >> i am all about standing for what is right in what is true. as long as you tell the truth, you can never lose. >> you are confident that everything is going to work out legally for you. >> yes, i am. bill: on the a corner from, the organization of about $60 million in real estate in new york city. in new orleans, the irs is filing a lien for unpaid taxes

against a corner of more than half a million dollars. megan fox did not have a happy time as a schoolgirl. >> i was not an outcast, but i did not have a ton of friends. i am sorry, too. i was in the bathroom a lot because i was afraid of getting picked on in the cafeteria. i was a loner. that is perfectly acceptable to be that. bill: her new film bombed at the box office over the weekend. here is paula abdul speaking on

her replacement bond amon " american idol." ♪ [i'm coming out] >> why are all of you staring at me? can't a girl try out a new job? all kidding aside. nothing but love, ellen. bill: "the miami herald" reporting that the african python is lunging at people. you better watch out if you are in west dade county. that is reality check.

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people in this country that are terrified of this president just because he is black. bill: really? pinhead most likely. we are giving away tote bags for free. in georgia, maybe the reason president obama is going on network rather than fox is to revive them. and another person from mount pleasant, sc.

i think they want him to sell magazines in this case. senator gramm has not appeared with us this year. sometimes it is tilted right and left. it depends on the story line.

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