if you were to say do not be a pecksniffian. that would be grammatically incorrect. factor continues 24/7.com. see all you premium members on the post factor show shortly. the spin stops here because we are def sean: tonight: [captioning made possible by fox news channel] captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org-- >> we are not going to make a decision about any further troop deployments until we know what exactly is our strategy. sean: is the white house stalling efforts to win the war in afghanistan? >> i think some of the extreme right who oppose him on health care also are racially prejudiced. sean: president clinton responds to jimmy carter's controversial comments with controversial comments on his own. >> i have to sit here between two ham hocks that don't believe

anything. sean: bob beckel goes head to head with his conservative brother actor gram beckel. >> i love you. believe me, i love you. new book reveals surprising details about the marriage of barack and michelle obama. all of that plus senator john mccain, karl rove, and george allen, hannity starts right now. sean: the "the washington post" made waves on sunday night when it published general stanley mcchrystal's closely held report on afghanistan. few politicians had seen the report or knew of its contents before its online publication. in the report mcchrystal sounds dire warnings about our war effort. now, he states unequivocally we need more troops and a strategy in we are to win in afghanistan. and that if the president fails to provide them, we will lose that war. now, according to general mcchrystal, quote:

general mcchrystal delivered this startling assessment to the secretary of defense on august 30th. yet, there have been no changes in our military strategy and it is only thanks to the post that the american public even knows of the report's contents. why is the situation that is so pairment receiving so little public attention from this president? perhaps, he is too occupied with passing a health care bill that the american people don't want has he put national security on the back burner? joining me now with reaction to all of this is arizona senator john mccain. senator, good to see you. thanks for being with us. >> thank you, sean. sean: that is a dire warning. your reaction, sir. >> i had the same warning when i visited afghanistan. and i have also -- we had the same dire warning from the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff and testimony before the senate armed services committee. it's serious and every day that goes by that we don't send the much-needed additional troops over there, it puts the 68,000 troops that are already there in grave danger and unnecessary

danger. sean: president bush always said whatever our military commanders on the ground need, they are going to get. now, this report is august 30th. so all this time is still passing and the president seems to be vacillating back and forth on almost daily basis. i mean, are we putting them in harm's way because we're -- because of our failure to act? >> of course. but i would also remind you that during the campaign the president was very strong in his statements that this was the good war, the one we had to win. in march, he said that we were going to do whatever was necessary and he correctly stated we could not allow afghanistan to return to a base for al qaeda and taliban to launch attacks on the united states of america and our allies. now, the president seems to be searching around for some way of not fulfilling the absolute urgency of the requirements that general mcchrystal, general

mullen, general petraeus, and our leaders in the military have urgently requested. sean: the headline on mcclatchey news is military growing impatient with obama on afghanistan? three officers at the pentagon and kabul told mcclatchey mcchrystal the one they knew resigned before he stand behind a faltering policy that he thought would endanger his forces or strategy. if president obama does not give these troops the reinforcements and the supplies that they need, should we then pull out of afghanistan because we're putting them in greater harms' way? >> i hope we are not faced with that. the president, obviously, has a problem with his left wing base 36 of his support who want out of afghanistan. i have some sympathy for him in that respect. but the point is, that we have got to everything right now to urge the president to do what is necessary to do it immediately. let me tell you the worse part

of this. the administration has told general mcchrystal not to send his recommendation for the additional troops. we all know that's around 30 to 40,000. not to send a recommendation as to what's needed to make up the resources to succeed. is really not acceptable. sean: everybody knows your military experience. if you were a general and you made such a request, and it was denied, would you resign? >> i think it would obviously depend on the circumstances. the military leadership, men and women in the military only have two choices, carry out orders or resign. but the important thing here is i think not only the decision being made but the decision being made quickly. admirable mullen, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff testified we already had the strategy. it's a matter of resources. what's the key to the resources is the men and women in the military. yes, we need to build up the afghan army. yes, we need a whole lot of things.

but the key is to provide an environment of security so you can clear and hold and succeed. that's the strategy that worked in iraq. sean: condoleezza rice said if you want another terrorist attack in the u.s., abandon afghanistan. do you agree with that statement? >> absolutely. i mean there is no doubt that the -- that al qaeda would reestablish a base. taliban, who, by the way, is not popular, would return and parts of afghanistan would be under taliban control. at least parts. i mean, i think it's very obvious. if you don't believe that you are ignoring lessons of history. sean: what did you think of the former security advisor and the jimmy carter brazen ski if they try to take out nuclear facilities that we confront and shoot down israeli airplanes if they flew over iraq? >> bizarre. sean: he is advising the president. >> well, remember, he gave some fairly, shall i say, advice to president carter that --

president carter implemented that i certainly didn't agree with at the time. sean: here is the situation. we have got ahmadinejad, just on the heels of coming to new york, again denying that the holocaust took place. our own national security agency says that their nuclear ambitions are advancing, and at the same time we see what happens -- we are slashing our own nuclear arsenal. we have this whole story that we are talking about here. and we pull out our missile defenses in the czech republic and poland. i wanted to get your reaction to that. >> well, a couple things. one, the director of national intelligence leaked over the weekend that he is stating that the iranians are sending weapons into, guess where? afghanistan. just as they did in iraq. so that's added to the problems there. i don't think there is any doubt that the message was sent throughout eastern europe that -- for the sake of the hope of better relations with russia

we are willing to sacrifice agreements that we make with our partners, the czech republic, and poland. and history shows us that unilateral concessions to our adversaries usually leads to more demands from our adversaries. sean: last question on this. i know you disagreed with the president on the issue of going after the interrogators at gitmo, et cetera, et cetera. even though you were on the same side in some respects on the issue. do you think the president is adopting a pre-9/11 mentality? i know those are pretty strong words but i believe he is. i believe is he weakening our national reaction. i believe gitmo mirandizing enemy combatants. cutting back on defense. slowing down our nuclear -- it seems to me it's beyond the pre-9/11 mentality. do you feel the same way? >> i don't know, sean. but i think that whether he heeds the advice of seven -- count them seven former directors of the cia to halt this investigation, which by the

way, had already been -- had taken place, i think that will be an indicator as to his mentality. sean: by the way, senator, i want to thank you. i know you tried to get water to the farmers in san joaquin valley in california. apparently it was unsuccessful that way. i understand you played along with senator demint. thank you for making the american people aware of this terrible situation. thank you, sean. sean: i can't believe the two california senators stopped the effort. hopefully there will be political pressure there to make them change their mind. thank you for being with us. >> thank you, sean. thank you. sean: coming up, vice president joe biden says hope and change could come to an abrupt end. we will tell you what he thinks has the potential to bring down the obama administration. and former president bill clinton has weighed in on the racially charged comments made by jimmy carter last week. we will check in with the architect, karl rove, we will get his reaction to that story. the brothers beckel debate coming up straight ahead.

sean: joe biden revealed yesterday that hope and change have an expiration date. acorresponding to the b.p. that election day is 2010. if the republicans take back the house this is quote this is the end of the road what barack and i have trying to do. don't worry if democrats can hold those seats that a spirit of bipartisanship will magically sweep through washington. that's some unusual logic mr. vice president. don't you think? karl rove in 90 short seconds. stay right there.

welcome to progressive. how may i help you? sean: and tonight in your america, president obama will

address the u.n. general assembly tomorrow in new york city and later this week he will travel to pittsburgh for the g.-20 summit where he is expected to unveil plans for what some are calling a new economic world order to put the global economy back on the road to recovery. and while the president turns his focus to foreign policy, the lively debate over health care reform continues right here in the u.s. now, last week it was jimmy carter who accused vocal opponents of the president's policies of being racist. this morning on good morning america, former president bill clinton was asked to respond to those charges. here is what he said. >> i think some of the extreme right who oppose him on health care also are racially prejudiced. and if you listen to some of the -- look at some of the signs or listen to some the rhetoric, there is no question that that's true. but i believe if he were not an african-american, all the people who are against him on health care would still be against him. because they were all against me, too. sean: he continues to be a master of the art of nuances. doesn't he? and i'm joined now by fox news contributor karl rove. karl, before we get started, i want you to respond to clinton. here is what clinton said in a radio interview in april of last year. let's roll that tape. >> i think that they played the race card on me. we now know from memos from the

campaign and everything that they planned to do it all along. sean: in light of that, what do you think of his comments? >> makes him sound a little hypocritical, doesn't it? his comment was like jimmy carter's irrational and unbelievably partisan. this is the kind of stuff that he said routinely during the 1990s about his political opponents, denigrating them personally. questioned their motivations. why can't he just accept the fact that people disagree with president obama's health care plan as they disagreed with his health care plan because they represent a spirit of liberalism and a government control and government domination of a very personal decision that ought to be left between the doctor and his patient as to the decision for our health. sean: i agree. let me ask you a political question. there were 49 seats that are currently held by democrats that in the last election voted for senator mccain. 49 seats. joe biden says that if the republicans -- if the democrats were to lose 35 seats, it would mean pretty much doomsday for

the president, the end of the road for what barack and i are trying to do. do you agree with his assessment? >> i'm not certain i agree with it but it's an interesting insight into how his mind works, which is they think they are incapable of fashioning a policy prescription that can elect or, excuse me that can reach across party lines and get the support of republicans. the only thing they can get things done is with democrats only. that says to me that their mind set is, you know, we have got a left wing agenda that can't get the support of moderate or conservative republicans. so, therefore, we are going to have to, you know, get it with democrats only. it's a revealing mind set. you know, it's not just those 49, sean. there are 70 democrats in the house of representatives whose seat was won by either john mccain or george w. bush. 48 of those seats were won by bush and mccain. one seat was won by mccain only. the balance of those seats, 21

of them were won by george w. bush either in 2000 or 2004. sean: you have two very pivotal gubernatorial elections this year one in new jersey. both are winning in these races by pretty significant margins. democrats have reverted back to the strategy that they have got to attack george w. bush. do you think that's going to be an effective strategy? >> no. i don't think so. also that's not -- they have got a little bit of the attacking bush in there but the biggest part of it is big personal smears and attacks on the two republican candidates. neither democrat is articulating the positive image for the future republican chris christie has talked about fighting corruption. in virginia bob mcdonnell has outlined common sense program on jobs. each instance democratic opponents seem to be dragging all -- candidates. tilted against the democrats in the fall. neither one of the democrat candidates has a particularly compelling vision to lay it out.

sean: that coupled with new york governor basically get out of the race. what do you make of here barack obama saying we have got him going to address the united nations later this week. he said that climate change is irreversible catastrophe if we don't address it and he has his sort of mandatory united states et cetera, et cetera. we just came off one of the coolest years on record: he has got energy secretary that wants to paint every roof in the world white. and, of course, $1,700. their own internal memo picked up through the freedom of information act, they knew it was going to cost every household that much money a year. your reaction this week and what we can expect? >> i love the blame america first. instead of he should have stood up there and said you know the last year for which we have got numbers available for the entire world is 2006. and in 2006, only one major industrial economy in the world actually grew and at the same time reduced the absolute level

of greenhouse gas emissions put out. guess what that country was, sean? the united states of america. he should be heralding our leadership greenhouse gases applying economy to the greenhouse gas emissions. we did that in 2006. we didn't need cap and trade and gigantic energy tax on anybody who owns a car, flips a light switch or bought anything sold made or shipped in the united states of america. sean: when george w. bush went to the united nations, when ronald reagan went to the united nations, they would champion the cause of freedom and literally go after totalitarian regimes. isn't one of the big differences we are going to see this week already he started the continuation of the apology tour and on top of that you know, it seems like, you know, he has got on the environment extremists, holder endorses this for sterilization policy. energy secretary that wants to paint roofs white and pavement white. so what does that mean for the american taxpayer and what does that mean for america when the

president goes on the world stage and says these things? >> yeah. well, it's bad for the country. i mean, we have seen it embodied in this cap and trade bill which would devastate the economy. turn resource states like west virginia into disaster areas. and, yet, he is continuing to pursue it the good news is so far he has been ineffectual at it. got it through the house and balled up in the senate because it's such a large measure. karl, thanks for being with us. >> lost jobs. thank you. sean: coming up. you don't want to miss. this show down you don't want to miss. left winger bob beckel. guess what? his brother is normal. is he a conservative. brother gram is going to debate and i will be the referee between the two beckels. don't miss that and governor george allen straight ahead.

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sean: bob beckel, time and time again on this program. everyone knows his views, radical left wing, socialist, he says he is a democrat. but what may surprise you is that he actually has a conservative brother. he is actor gram beckel who has appeared in hit tv shows grey's anatomy and csi. pearl harbor and l.a. confidential. >> this is for ours poncho. sean: for the first time ever brothers beckel join me. gram, bob, thank you. first of all, what happened to him? you are normal. you are a conservative, right? >> that's so true. my brother wasn't looed by my mother in the same way i was. >> if i can point out here that at birth, he is one of my best friend ends in the world. you are my brother. you were both dropped on your heads at bitter. >> apparent live that's a good thing that happened. we are straight and you are

crazy. >> let's get back down there. sean: before you a take over the show as you normally do. let me ask you a question. when you watch him on this show and he makes the comment. he does it every week just to tick me off. barack obama, who is going to go down as one of the best presidents in history. >> true. sean: i say one of the worst. when you hear him say stuff like that what do you think. >> i scratch my head and wonder what you are going to do next. it's remarkable to me that these words can come out of his mouth. sean: you have watched him all these years, i'm thinking, you know, what happened to him? >> i can't tell you. i know that when he was nominated to be a deputy secretary of state, we got in a fight behind the mcdonald's in alexandria, virginia. he was going through his fbi background check. >> i got through that fbi background check which is amazing given all the drugs i had done. but i got through it. [ laughter ] sean: confess all your sins now. >> you know that everybody knows that on this show. i listen to you rale on obama.

you rale on obama. the fact of the matter what you guys forget is a mere six months ago this country and the world was heading into a great abyss and a depression. and you give him no credit for bringing us out of it, do you? sean: bob, unemployment, we have lost 4 million jobs. >> and we could have lost 8 million jobs. sean: that's the answer. we could have lost 8. we saved 4 million jobs. you lose 4 million. >> you should have done nothing. you think he should have done nothing. >> absolutely. let the thing work. sean: cut taxes. >> i'm from california, bob. i know what's up with this. you keep raising people's taxes eventually they are going to say no. i mean, i have had it with it. i don't want to send my money to a bunch of hugo chavez-loving, ivy league ideologically educated politically opportunistic careerist in washington. i'm tired with it. >> did you get in with him last night and get brain washed by that? that line that hugo chavez line

was most unbelievablably -- even for you that's going a stretch. i love you. believe me, i love you. but we have been close all our lives. i just don't get it where is your empathy for people? where is your sense that the government can do good things for people? >> bob, i worked in a homeless shelter for a couple of years. i have a plaque on the wall. >> i know you did. >> when i hear the president in the united states in a great little rhetorical flourish talk about the leavening hand of the government, everybody knows that leavening hand is attached to the arm of the internal revenue service. no one attaches that to the arm of liberty. sean: he is good. where have you been? we have had the wrong beckel on this program for all these years. >> good. let me say to you -- [ laughter ] the fact of the matter is you guys are both -- you refuse to accept the role for the federal government. important one. sean: i got it the one that bankrupted social security and medicare.

>> here we go. sean: the one that bankrupted any -- fannie and freddie and post office. they can't run cash for clunkers. >> highly successful. 600,000 cars off the road. sean: no one is buying are aca. buy every american a car. >> ford sold a bunch of cars. sean: now waiting for another handout before they buy one. >> you want to let fannie mae and freddie mac go under. sean: i didn't want them giving loans to people who couldn't afford to pay them back. >> they were there they went under. they were going to go under completely and people lose their mortgages. sean: it was the democrats because they believe in socialism redistribution, forced the banks and financial institutions to make the risky loans. >> well, yeah. i think the new models of chevrolet should have barney frank as a hood ornament. barney right out front. >> where did you come up with this?

this is the problem being on with an actor. you don't know when there is lines and a reality. barney frank did more to save the financial institutions of this country than any other single human being next to barack obama who is and will be the greatest economic president since roosevelt. >> has it ever occurred to you that these guys are just out and out con men who are seeking power? >> no. it hasn't. the people seeking power the con men were in the last administration republicans on capitol hill who said they wanted small government and what did they do? they ended one big government. >> you know what? i agree with you. i don't have a problem with that both their houses. do not try to tell somebody from california that what's going on now in washington is by any stretch of the imagination reasonable. >> facts are. in the facts are if we went back

six months ago, we were all scared. we all thought this economy. sean: unemployment we lost 4 million jobs. >> if barack obama hadn't been elected, how many jobs had been lost sean hahn we would have had jobs by now because the free market would have recovered. >> get out of here. the fact of the matter is i sit here and i will repeat what i said when we started this segment here. that is that i love you both. you are one of my best friends. you are my brother. i can't help it if you both are manages guided and i want you all to get some help. and i would like to offer that up at government expense. sean: give the last word to the hollywood beckel. >> i must say the democrats have no better partisan than my brother. >> it's true. >> barack obama has no larger defender than my brother. and i have tremendous respect for him for being true to his school. and for taking a yard on their behalf. however, bob, i think in this case you are part of the problem. sean: ouch. >> i love you. sean: and i love you after that the fight will be after the show in the parking lot. [ laughter ] sean: all right. guys. thank you. coming up the president played down his connections to acorn over the weekend. new evidence suggests the obama white house is closely tied to the group. brand new details on how the president settled on campaign

slogan and chose a running mate did. michelle obama put an end to hillary clinton's prospects as v.p.? we have a brand new book with all the details, including his relationship with reverend wright and bill ayers. never before heard. straight ahead. en geico's been saving people money on car insurance for over 70 years. and who doesn't want value for their dollar? been true since the day i made my first dollar. where is that dollar? i got it out to show you... uhh... was it rather old and wrinkly? yeah, you saw it? umm fancy a crisp? geico. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance.

sean: remember now barack obama acted this weekend when asked about acorn. >> frankly, it's not something i followed closely. i didn't know acorn was getting a whole lot of federal money. >> turns out the obama white house is pretty connected to the group. red state.com reports that the brother of white house political director patrick gaspar works for acorn's lobbying group and acorn ceo has all of mr. gas par's contact information. shocker. [ birds squawking ] [ moos ] [ man announcing ] if you think about it, this is what makes theladders different from other job search sites. we only want the big jobs. welcome to theladders. a premium job site for only $100k+ jobs and only $100k+ talent.

sean: new book sheds light on the obama campaign and dynamics of the president's relationship with michelle obama. apparently michelle that convinced her husband to adopt the slogan yes, we can, and also vetoed hillary clinton as vice presidential candidate. she reportedly asked her husband, quote: sean: the book that reveals all of this in detail is barack and michelle, portrait of an american marriage. the author of this book joins us now christopher anderson.

good to be here. sean: how did you get all this information about their relationship? you talk about the troubled times. >> right. sean: apparently had a rocky marriage at one point. >> absolutely. they have been open. talked to people who knew this them in chicago and hawaii. couple hundred people. they have only been in the public eye for four or five years nationally. it was interesting getting this story firsthand. the rocky time when you speak about is the time when they really were conceivably headed for splitsville. she said, you know, he was a state legislature in springfield. she was back in chicago. sean: he was politically ambitious and she felt she was nagging him. >> a woman who is a princeton and harvard law graduate. she had been his boss at one point. she is stuck with the kids. so she said, oh no, this is not what i signed on for and you better do something about it. sean: you describe a michelle who has enormous influence on him. yes we can she suggested it. smoking a cigarette between

drags of a cigarette is how you put it? >> talked to people who were in the room he said he thought it was too corny. he didn't think people would get it he thought it was childish. she was the person who brought in to say this is what is going to work. trust me. he did. i think it was one of the most important decisions he made earlier in the campaign. sean: not picking hillary was another big influence. >> absolutely. barack has said over and over again when i make an important decision, she is the person i go to. she is my chief courtroom, my chief advisor. he asked her opinion and she told it to him. sean: i read this at some other point i don't remember exactly where. you describe -- you write a lot about bill ayers and reverend wright. reverend wright even weighed in on the yes, we can slogan very positively. you write about that page 210. i just happen to remember. bill ayers helped him with his book and you actually pick up, you found the literary devices and themes bear a jarring similarity to ayers' own writings.

>> they were good friends. during the campaign. sean: they were good friends. >> yeah, of course. sean: he denied it. >> yes, he did. a literary kabul there that was interesting in chicago. giving each other quotes for their blushes to promote their respective books. sean: sean hannity was right were close friend. started political career in his house. >> yes. >> sat on boards and gave speeches with him they were good friends. >> yes, they were. sean: he lied to the american people. >> well, let's face it, during that campaign i think he was doing some back pedalling, i will be honest. michelle probably recommended that he not emphasize their relationship with ayers. sean: bill ayers was more than happy because he wanted him to be president. so bill ayers went underground no pun intended. >> one thing that's fascinating about michelle is that show she is so pivotal in not only all of these decisions you are talking about. she really made him what he was. he wasn't connected to anybody in chicago. she is the person who connected him through the law firm she worked with. through her job through city hall when she worked for mayor

daily. she is the person who taught him how to speak to african-american american audiences. he was considered to be rather stiff. sean: reverend wright was involved in a lot of decisions. the person who was loser to reverend wright, you say, that was, quote, in awe of him to use your phrase. >> yes, yes. sean: was michelle. >> you have to realize what he helped him with. personal crises, her dad died of m.s. at the age of 55. barack's mom died, as we know. these owe emotional things drew her closer to jeremiah wright. i think she was a little bit more reluctant than he was to say, look, these statements that wright is making do not reflect us. sean: i find these things, some would say it's politically expedient. you describe a couple that is very ambitious. >> yes. sean: but they seem to be willing to skirt the truth quite often in pursuit of that ambition. i'm just using what you are saying. >> yeah. i would say. sean: you are describing

dishonesty in your books. >> we should be damn grateful we don't have the clintons in that white house from the standpoint of a marriage. the state of a marriage is an important thing in this country. you want to have a solid couple. sean: you are kind of ducking. you describe blatant dishonesty. why are you so unwilling -- you kind of say it but you don't say it. >> i give the facts and let people make up their mind about what is expedient and what is allowed in the campaign. whether or not people bend the truth to serve their purposes. both parties do this thing. sean: there are honest people in the world. i don't believe in broad sweeping generalizations. >> i don't think one would be elected president if they were perfectly honest. sean: was he honest about ayers and wright. >> not totally. sean: i have to be honest. i enjoyed the book. fascinating portrayal. i learned a lot. thank you for being here. >> thank you. i appreciate it. sean: when we come back the great, great, great, great american panel. straight ahead. ♪ let freedom ring ♪ let the

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sean: tonight on our great, great american panel, he served the state of virginia for over 20 years as governor and in both bodies of congress george allen is back. he has been a campaign consultant for over 30 years, democratic pollster doug schoen is here. she a pulitzer prize winning journalist judith miller is here. we have general mcchrystal, he needs 30 or 40,000 more troops or we are going to lose in afghanistan. they have done nothing. >> he says things it's not going well. tis is what we need to carry out the president's strategy. but, the president, himself, as we heard, ad nauseam this week is having doubts about his strategy. so, before you decide how many troops you want to throw in, you have to decide what your mission is. sean: do you want to win or not? if he doesn't want to help them, he should pull them out.

>> how do you define winning? that's what they are beginning to wrestle with now as we have already committed 21,000 more troops to afghanistan. sean: let me ask you this. i have a theory, i will run it by you, doug. i think he has to appease his left wing base because he has given up the government option. so, to do that i suspect that he is going to sacrifice the issue is of afghanistan which dawnedy condoleezza rice says is going to lead to another 9/11. >> anyone who has been in new york in the last couple of days have seeing the heightened security reasons for good reasons. the imman who was arrested in queens. direct connection between what is happening here in new york and indeed in the country and what is happening in afghanistan and in pakistan. if we back down from what president obama called the war of necessity, to not go after al qaeda, we are looking increasingly feckless. sean: am i wrong in saying i can conflate the two and say that he is trying to try to appease his liberal base on pulling out of afghanistan to sacrifice the fact that they are not going to

get the government option on health care? >> i would hope not. they are two completely separate issues. sean: he has a base to appeal with. >> appeal to the base. the base is the american people. i certainly hope and expect that the president as commander and chief is going to want to protect americans. it is not just afghanistan. it is also pakistan. and if we don't succeed or we don't -- success i would define as a stable country. sean: sure. >> it's not going to be jennifer sownian democracy but a country that is not a haven for terrorists that want to kill as many americans as possible as well as destabilize pakistan. if you destabilize pakistan it could have impact on india. this is much bigger than the tactics of whether or not the government takes over health insurance. >> but even conservatives have raised questions about whether or not this is a mission impossible no matter how many took place you send in there. i mean, i think they have to do some pretty cold-hard calculations about what it is

exactly we wish to accomplish and how much blood and sweat we are willing to expend on it. sean: isn't it simple, listen to what the generals on the ground want to be successful. it's not for president obama sitting in the comfort of the oval office. >> we have set a strategy in place. it's a clear strategy. we have to act upon it. even people like les geld the former head of the council on foreign relations who is against the war in afghanistan says if we pull out now it will cause irreparable harm to the u.s. sean: doug is an anomaly to the democratic party. >> i know, we were talking before, is he for a strong national defense. sean: what a shock. >> what patriotic american isn't for a strong national defense? sean: i hate to say it barack obama is weakening our defenses. mirandizing enemy combatants on the battlefield. closing gitmo. cutting defense, cutting back on nuclear arsenal and initiating with holocaust denier. >> in a very situation for our friends from the czech republic and poland, just leaving them high and dry.

and what do we get out of it. >> the problem is what did we get if anything for a decision on that. a, we don't know that yet. b, was it the right decision anyway? sean: answer the question. >> i think it probably was because we are worried about the medium range missile capability of iran. sean: but, our national security agency this week said that they have advanced nuclear program. >> we know that they are going to continue working on their nuclear program until and unless they can be persuaded to give it up. >> you know, president obama wants to move towards zero nuclear weapons and he is not upgrading our weapons system as the bipartisan commission said we should. >> but that's the goal. >> the russians are improving, believe it or not, their nuclear capabilities meanwhile we are allowing ours to deteriorate. it's a shame because the president needs to understand the preeminent role of the federal government is national defense. sean: come back more with our great american panel. a lot more to get into straight

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sean: we continue now with our great, great american panel. we have got environmental extremism, here is barack obama on climate change. time is running out, ladies and gentlemen. even though the earth is actually cooling. >> on shrinking islands, families are already being forced to flee their homes as mig forced to flee their homes as climate refugees. the security and stability of each nation and all peoples are prosperity, our health, and our safety are in jeopardy. and the time we have to reverse this tide is running out. sean: we have got an administration, they have got a guy that believes in forced sterilizations.

a guy that believes in painting every roof white and every black pavement white. one of the coolest years on record and now we are going to tax the american family upwards of $1,700 to $3,000 a year. this is madness. >> it's worse than madness. it is so harmful. harmful to the competitiveness of our country. they are here at the united nations. sanctimonious social engineers that want to increase the costs, skyrocketing electricity for american families. increase food prices, fuel prices, and job losses. china and india and other countries are they are not going to impose this on their country so there will be job losses. millions of jobs lost in this country. sean: millions of jobs sent overseas. >> new york city at the united nations. i interviewed a woman on energy freedom center.org who has an 8-year-old child. and she is a single mom, has the best job in her life. and she has to cut off the natural gas. she can pay her electric bill but she can't pay the natural oe natural gas. she can pay her

gas bill because she needs that money to pay for child care in the summer. that's the real world. i asked her i said well, what would happen if your electricity rates went up by $50 a month? she said well, we would have to use more candles. now, so when these folks are doing that, that effects people in the real world. >> i have a different view than senator allen. i sort of thing there is something a little wrong when our president goes to the u.n. to get lectured on what we should do when our senate, which you served in ably, is considering legislation that you may well disagree with and i may well be more supportive of and to have the international community tell us what we should do because of copenhagen when the chinese are unwilling to abide by the same terms that we're supposed to. >> it's economic unilateral disarmament. sean: it is. that same u.n. we pay 5 billion a year. >> what i suspect will happen is that for a while everybody will put -- be pointing at the u.s. senate and say it's your fault that this isn't happening.

>> i think they ought to kill it outright once again. >> but ultimately what the president will find is that the europeans will be just as divided on this issue as the united states has been. is it going to be just as hard for them to do this. and that ultimately the united states may very well get off the d on this issue as the united states has been. is it goi hook because nobody will be able to do what they have promised. >> the europeans want to transfer wealth out of our country to them. sean: let me ask you this question about the democrats. now you have nancy pelosi warning about right wing extreme i.s. if you disagree with obama this is racially motivated. and biden is obviously fear they are going to lose the 2010 elections. >> sean, our politics suffers and it suffers profoundly when race and name-calling enters into the debate in ways that it doesn't belong. sean: but this seems to be a strategy. >> sean, it's wrong. sean: so bill clinton and carter were wrong. >> bill clinton was much more nuanced. >> much more. >> than jimmy carter. but fundamentally our politics benefits when race is not an

issue. sean: i think this back fires because it's predicated on a lie and it's a slander. your reaction? >> my view of the whole thing is unfortunately racism still exists in our country. sean: we all agree with that. what bill clinton said that is accurate the race of barack obama doesn't matter. what a bad idea is have the government take over health care decisions. when you see harry reid getting money for the nevada cancer center, this is an example of why we don't want politicians in washington bureaucrats remotely running our health care decisions for our families. >> you know, look, we know we have to do something about health care. this bill, there are already 500 amendments to this bill. i'm sure senator allen, there is something in here for republicans and something for democrats. they will do what are they need to get this passed. >> the best idea came from the ceo of whole foods where you have portable accounts.