gretchen: this is an amazing story that you will hear about tomorrow. a woman pregnant with two embryos conceived two weeks apart. what are they? they are not twins. we will talk to her. steve: see you tomorrow. [captioning made possible by fox news channel] captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org-- brian: the start of a new week. there is a new push this morning in the health-care overhaul. more than 20 house democrats saying "undocumented illegals should be able to buy their own private plans." it keeps them out of the emergency room. it is like this big old circle. ralph m. brown. good morning, everybody.

martha: good morning, everyone. megyn kelly is going to be bringing her baby home soon, we wish her well. we have heard this argument from liberal democrats. illegals use that service, so we might as well give them insurance. polls show that few americans support the idea. bill: what is in that letter? >> good morning. a california democrat wrote this letter last week the democratic leadership in congress, both in the house and senate. he wants the legal immigrants to have the right to purchase health insurance in the marketplace proposed by obama. in the senate max baucus specifically excludes the legal immigrants from his proposal under consideration by the finance committee. on the rights in his letter that

a good public -- honda in his letter right that -- he cites infectious diseases that spread rapidly. he also mentions that insurance for illegal immigrants would keep them out of emergency room for standard care. younger, working age people could be bringing the cost down in the pool. the would-be purchasing this insurance from the exchange, so there would that be taxpayer subsidies. that is what he is saying. most republican citizens loudly opposed this. bill: legal immigrants, what about them? >> the max baucus plan allows

for legal immigrants to purchase the insurance on the exchange after five years. the second part of a letter from honda says that the five-year waiting period should be eliminated. 30 of his colleagues have signed on. a spokesperson tells me that this is all about cost. money that taxpayers are already paying for the uninsured. bill: thank you for that. we will get into this a bit earlier -- later with michael steele. martha: ironically the issue of insurance for illegals is making its way to tell hall meetings. as you heard all summer fellow voters are asking lawmakers to be honest about what is in these health care reform bills.

democrats blocked amendments that would require proof that people are u.s. citizens. >> i think that we all want to know how it is that our elected officials will insure us that the illegals will not get coverage. we do not want that. >> the bill does not have that. it does not preclude the legal immigrants. we tried to put amendments on the bill to preclude the legal immigrants. the reason they say it is not in there is they say that it does not say that they can get insurance. what it does say -- it is a loophole. we tried to put in an amendment

that specifically stated that if you are not a legal citizen, you will not be entitled to subsidies. that is something that we continued to fight on. >> voters outside of town halls protesting insurance and health- care profits. bill: new details on the penalties for people that fail to purchase health insurance for themselves. john ensign raised a question after receiving a hand written note from the chairman of the joint committee on taxation. it said the following. got that?

no insurance, you could head to jail. nice system. martha: the white house is looking at some life and death decisions in afghanistan. u.s. and nato commanders have put in an urgent requests. general mcchrystal wants more troops. a request that has the administration split on the strategy for the war and the timing of the troops request. shannon, what do we know about how the administration is going to move forward? and when? >> of course it is very delicate. there is so much to consider here. the president has said that he would be a skeptical critic, he takes very seriously putting a single man or woman into harm's way. we know that there are several meetings ready to assess what

general mcchrystal had to say. we understand that at least five different meetings are ready for tomorrow to discuss these things. interestingly he said that he realized that the pentagon has a very special bureaucracy that is hard to streamline. here is something he said last night on "60 minutes." >> on average -- at an average organization you say you need something, they put it on a calendar. at a good organization, they check their watch. we have got to get that way. martha: what is the overall strategy on whether or not we can win in afghanistan? do top military commanders believe that it is still possible? >> general mcchrystal said that we would fail without the troop requests and other things he has asked for. it is clear that failure is

still very much a possibility in afghanistan. he actually said look, i would be honest with the president if i thought we could not win. we have got robert gates in the middle of this. he says they are constantly reassessing strategies. wall of the biggest problems, here is what he had to say about that. >> this notion of time lines and exit strategies, frankly i think it would be a strategic mistake. the reality is that failure in afghanistan would be a huge setback. >> he said that it would embolden al qaeda and the taliban if they could anyway fashion what happens there as a mistake or failure. that it would be a huge win for them physically and mentally as they attempt to rally forces

around the world. martha: thank you, shannon. some people were shocked to learn that the president had only spoken with stanley mcchrystal wants. we are going to dig into that a bit. -- stanley mcchrystal once. we are going to dig into that a bid. bill: i thought he was impressive. megyn: -- martha: he will either get what he wants or we will deny him. on the ground all the time. bill: very interesting. i noticed something on your screen -- fox news is now widescreen. martha: is that a good thing? bill: we have created a web site for our viewers to address some of the more common television problems you might be having. to get to it, click on the wide- screen link in the right corner.

you can click on the video link, that is where trace gallagher and martha maccallum will answer your questions. it looks great, by the way. i like it. martha: it does. beautiful. have you heard about this? 30 years on the run. roman polanski is in custody, folks. he is awaiting extradition back to the united states. why are france and poland demanding the release of the man convicted all those years ago of drugging and raping a 13- year-old girl? bill: what are the eight new taxes found in obama's plan for reforming health care? we will see the commercial on it for the first time in three minutes. martha: carmakers in michigan, it hardly get any notice when u.s. taxpayers -- did you hear this?

half of a billion dollars went to a car company creating jobs in finland. building cars that most americans will never be able to afford. >> ♪ baby, drive my car

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bill: we have a world premiere from republicans. a hard hitting spot that goes after the billions of dollars in new taxes that will be paid by you. will this. >> obama and democrats promise that health care reform will -- lower costs. but their plans increase taxes on tests, scans, and x-rays. new taxes health insurance, for

doctors, even a tax on medical supplies. hundreds of billions in new taxes. all of it passed back to the consumer. bill: it goes on from there. michael steele is here to talk about it. welcome. first, the obvious question, why did you put that spot out? >> for the bulk of the spring and summer the administration has been talking about opening up the door for a new health- care regime in change in health care, but they'd never get to telling you how to pay for it. in both bills we saw hidden in their a series of taxes that will impact how you get health care, as well as your business and your family in a way that the american people do not fully appreciate. we are again focused on the

health care bill of rights. we want to focus on how we pay for this and the impact it will have on middle america, not the wealthy that the administration thinks is going to magically pay for this. we are talking about the average small business owner. bill: there is a new tax on doctors, charities, employers, there is a list that goes on and on. democrats to argue that we have got to figure out how to pay for this system. >> the health-care system in an of itself is not going broke, the problem is the cost that individuals and communities have to pay. starting with tort reform. it has got to be in the bill i am a serious way.

getting access to small business schools that will allow them to go into the market, making sure that companies can get the best deal. certainly not imposing taxes on small business owners. taxing wheelchairs', for goodness sakes. bill: a tax on a wheelchair? >> there is a provision in the bill that taxes medical products, going directly to wheelchair's and innovation, research and development aspects of creating those products that you rely on. nothing is off of the table in what the democrats are putting in the bill. bill: i played a bit of the

spot, now i am going to play a bit more. >> if you think that you cannot afford it, you cannot afford not to. they had even proposed a tax for not having health insurance. with at least 80 new taxes, your health insurance costs will skyrocket. bill: have you convince a skeptical public trying to fight for economic recovery to dig deeper into their pockets and buy into it? >> i do not know how the administration does that. this goes back to something i have been saying since the beginning. we are focused on the wrong thing. the administration wants to focus on health care, but the bigger problem is that people are losing their jobs. small businesses are not investing a way that they should.

you can tackle the health-care system by having a viable work force that is out there creating an opportunity that access health care. the reason you are seeing folks talk about not having access to health care, the system is not designed to help for benefit you if you are not tied to employer. no. 2, you have got to look at exactly what the bottom line cost is going to be. this congress wanted to get this done by july 31. now they are saying the end of october. i do not know how you can do all of this in just 30 days. that is the problem that the american people having. slow down the debate and focus more specifically on how to pay for this, what the cost will be, and who will be impacted. bill: democrats would argue that republicans are stalling.

the deadline, indeed, continues to slide. >> it needs to. we are not solving, we are trying to create a viable option for the american people. bill: we will have you back soon. >> you have got it, buddy. martha: a rookie race car driver joins the school of hard knocks. look at this, his car rolls over 7.5 times. bill: on the left, anarchist rolling dumpsters at riot police in pittsburgh over the weekend. on the right, peaceful protests on the national mall. how did these events get their reactions in different media outlets? we will show you.

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bill: this is a quick follow up on a story from last week. the principle of a new jersey school, singing the praises of the president. bill: this principle says that she is not apologizing, saying that she would allow the students to record the song again. some parents made the argument that a teachers political view should be kept out of the classroom. martha: france and poland are pressing for the release of roman polanski. the oscar winning film maker was taken into custody on saturday after 30 years of basically

being on the lam. stemming from his flight from california authorities 31 years ago, he pled guilty to flying a 13-year-old girl with boos and clay ludes during a photo shoot, then having sex with her. he left the country right before he was sentenced. a reporter has more on this breaking story today. >> french and polish foreign ministers are actually going so far as to say that they may ask the u.s. president for some sort of a pardon for clemency, asking that he be freed on bail. that the los angeles district attorney's office and officials in the u.s. are being completely overzealous. the district attorney's office went on the internet and to discover that he would be making the trip from france to

switzerland to except the lifetime achievement award, working with u.s. authorities and authorities in switzerland, he was arrested over the weekend at the airport. he is sitting in that jail cell for the third day, they are demanding he is released immediately. megyn: -- martha: what a turn of events for him. we have watched him go to all of these events for years, wondering how he could be wanted and appearing so much. thank you so much. bill: we have already heard them asking to drop it. martha: the president pardoning roman polanski? bill: that would be a headline indeed. acting alone, or did he have helped? we have heard reports of up to

20 accomplices. where are they? when will they be arrested? megyn: outdoor is now in the electric car business -- martha:al go: al gore is in the electric car business. some people are wondering what is going on, if there are political favors involved.

bill: there are new questions concerning zazi. in his indictment prosecutors referred the other is that accompanied him on his trip to

pakistan. there were others on a surveillance video from colorado, remember those? who are these men? where are they? how close are the fed's the finding them? do investigators believe that they have co-conspirators in their sites? >> there are several. at least four people here in the united states that investigators are looking for. three individuals associated with zazi, seem with him buying these products that we know are extremely dangerous and can be explosive. there is a fourth person, according to the order of the tension, that zazi was communicating with, urgently asking for just the right recipe for a specific kind of

explosive device. one of the most important thing to note is that not only are these people not in custody, all of those items have still not been found. they have got to find these suspects and that material as well. bill: tomorrow zazi will be back in court in brooklyn. will we learn tomorrow about what they have in the prosecution? >> we will see. we will be there. it will happen at 11:00 a.m.. what will happen is that charges will be read against him. if he is convicted he could get life in prison. the charges will be read against him, he will be entering a plea of not guilty, he will ask for bail that he will most likely not get, and the district judge will set the next court date.

bill: that will be a big story. thank you. martha: the situation is intense in honduras. manuel zelaya is calling on his supporters to take to the streets. the government has outlawed public gatherings, making it easier for the army to make arrests. reports accused him of violating the constitution for trying to run for another active term as president. bill: one of the clinton speaking on a vast, right-wing conspiracy, bill clinton was asked about whether the conspiracy existed. here is how he answer that on nbc. >> your wife family -- famously talk about the vast white wing conspiracy -- best right-wing conspiracy coming after you.

is it still coming after the current president? >> it is. they can take his numbers down, they can run the opposition up, but fundamentally he and his team had a positive agenda for america. bill: vast right-wing conspiracy? it was coined in the early days of the monica lewinsky fallout. within 24 hours of that story breaking hillary clinton went on television and calling the phrase. 34 minutes past the hour. martha: it is a car loan of sorts, raising questions about the power of high-level access. the u.s. government making a $525 million loan to a small company that is backed by al gore.

this car is a hybrid, build by an automotive group you probably have never heard of. critics are asking why taxpayer money would go to this car in finland. that is a good question. the price tag is about $89,000. dave williams, with citizens against government waste, joins us now. this really caught my eye. al gore is connected to this company, right? they have lots of dollars to hand out. a lot of time doing test driving, spending all of this money, why did this company did this huge amount of money? >> it shows you that there is no such thing as a retired politician. once you are a politician you still have sway with agencies and other politicians.

al gore still has a lot of clout in the department of energy to secure this loan. martha: there are a lot of other car companies that did that get to as low. they are being magnanimous about it, that it is highly possible that maybe they have the best model. is that the case? of >> note -- is that the case? >> no, that is probably what they're pr people are -- what their pr people are telling them to say. i think that they are being very magnanimous, but behind closed doors they are much more worried about this. the true hands of bipartisan chip are coming through here. the republican president signed this, and a democrat taking advantage of it.

megyn: one of these cars costs $89,000, but there is another company called tesla that got $465 million for the same program. their car cost $109,000. all of this money to encourage the building of fuel-efficient cars. pal is this going to make any impact on people trying to purchase a fuel-efficient car that cannot afford to buy these? >> it is not. this is not going to help average americans. it what it does is it creates a new market for high-end hybrids and electric vehicles. the last thing the government should be doing is putting money into this. the private sector, they should be funding it, not taxpayers.

imagine asking a taxpayer that makes $30,000 every year saying listen, we want some of your money so that we can have a car to sell to rich people. megyn: if you just -- martha: if you just let this car market decide where the money will go, if they believe so strongly that these are good investments, they will give the companies the money that they need, right? >> i suspect that the private sector look at this and said there is no market for it. martha: that is scary. >> this is the government of last resort saying that we could not give money anywhere else. we are coming to you. sure, we will give a few hundred million dollars. will the taxpayer ever get paid back? not likely. martha: before i let you out,

the company says that the department of energy loan is for to be used for american family sedan production. those designs have yet to be seen. thank you. bill: karma with an k? martha: that is right. bill: remember the ok car from chrysler? martha: [laughter] bill: more than $120 for every man, woman, and child in america -- but many five-year olds do not have bank accounts of these days. martha: a nascar rookie driver took a serious tumble. check this out. fans were holding their breath for #10. bill: compare these protesters

in pittsburgh to the protesters in washington, d.c. how did the media portray each group? take a fat guess.

f bill: welcome to the big leagues, rookie. a tumble that will not be forgotten in delaware over the weekend, flipping seven times before his home depot toyota landed on that side. as scary as this looks, rather, the rookie driver is ok. he walked away, calling it a heck of a roller coaster ride.

no bombs, no bruises, you have got to be kidding me. he will be having more races to come. i think that that is incredible. make my car that way. megyn: -- martha: that is what saved him, that technology. the structures in side of those cars are incredible. bill: you have got to be kidding me. megyn: -- martha: put that technology in our cars. [laughter] all right, folks, there has been a lot of talk about the canadian health-care system and their socialized health care. more and more canadians are coming here to get health care. getting urgentedical care from technicians across the

border, saying that they can have more choice in the matter. dan smith, why do people have to go with the u.s. to get surgery and how are they doing it? >> they are basically calling it the canadian underground. more and more canadians are coming to the united states before out -- access to health care. many people in the united states flight to canada as a single payer system. -- point to canada and their single payer system. but we have all heard the horror stories of people waiting for a hip replacements and knee replacements, but how about a brain tumor? last night we spoke to a man who said he would not wait for the canadian system, his doctors a said that they thought he had a brain tumor but it would be three months for an mri -- mri.

went to america to get the test. he wanted it to be removed as soon as possible, back in canada. they wanted him to wait to see a specialist. he went to buffalo to get it removed right away. he believed that this save his life. >> by that time i could have been staged for. that would have opened me up and said sorry, you are gone. >> he said that his story is not unusual, he had a friend in a similar situation. megyn: what a frightening situation. what do people the defend the system say when they hear stories like this? >> they use the term electives

surgery, that these are elective procedures. if you can go to the emergency room you will get the health care that you need right away. this system is good for those who are not sick. defenders say that it is not the single payer system at fault, but the archaic system of referrals and if it could be tweaked internally there could be a perfect system that could deliver things on time. interestingly, 80% to 90% say they like single payer systems, they just wanted done more efficiently and more quickly. martha: thank you. bill: in a moment, more information about the man who

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bill: it is a tale of two different protests. on the left you will see violent protesters in pittsburgh at the g-20 summit. of the right, health care meetings across the country. which one generated more negative coverage from the

mainstream media? take a guess. our fox news contributor: mary catherine how much is with us. -- our fox news contributor, mary catherine, is with us. >> this week at the g-20 they had a cool, counterculture attitude, that is what you get from the press. all of a sudden it is the end of the world according to chris matthews. i have been studying the town hall protests very closely. i added up all of these allegedly violent acts that happen. there were fewer acts in the month of august than there were in one day.

bill: what was your tally bella >> about -- tally? >> about 10 or 11. not necessarily real violence. seven out of those was liberal on conservative violence. bill: does that include the event in washington? >> i have heard no documented evidence of violence there. bill: we have seen these 20- year-old pollux, i think that they are a bit sleepy in pittsburgh. frankly, i am grateful that they were able to defend themselves the way they did, it is a lovely

town. do you think that the media is writing this off? >> folks on the left tend to benefit from lower expectations. they are allowed to make noise and be in polite. -- and be impolite. on the right, people are pretty new to this. a bunch of pta moms protesting for the first time. some people in the media want to impose a price on those people for having their voices heard against obama policies. the way they do that is overblow the violence. bill: you know how fierce those 70-year-old grandparents can be. >> if you are making the

argument that these people are the end of the republic, it is the cleanest protest i have ever seen in washington, d.c. bill: they take their garbage with them. thank you, mary catherine. we will talk again very soon. >> brilliant -- martha: brand new poll numbers coming in, americans coming out against a couple of things in bigger numbers than before. we will look at what it could mean for the health-care debate on capitol hill. bill: $89 billion in overdraft fees this year, twice what they make for late payments and overdrawn credit card accounts. now some in washington are talking about a crackdown. we are on that story in five minutes.

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surveys show that only 41% of americans favor the current proposals. that is down at least two points from last week. the lowest levels of support to date, 58% oppose what is on the table. only 16% of those over 65 approve of current legislation. that is stunning. these numbers could reshape reform on capitol hill. judd gregg is our guest on that, moments away. martha: a missile, capable of putting israel in cross hairs, going airborne over iran this weekend. we are waiting for reaction from the white house. we will find out what the president thinks about this weekend missile launch.

iran is at the top of the agenda. sophisticated rockets that can travel 350 kilometers, putting them in striking distance within israel. welcome, everyone. bill: good morning, everybody. round three, first they fired a few short range missiles, then medium-range. now they are breaking out the best that they have. martha: mike, what is the reaction at the white house on these missile tests? >> the u.s. military, the white house, the intelligence community, carefully watching these war games. there runyon's say that 1,200 miles is a cause for concern -- the iranians say that the

missiles can travel 1,200 miles, certainly a cause for concern. here at the white house and throughout the military apparatus in the united states we are trying to see how effective this tool is for the iranians. martha: strong words came from president obama about this about sanctions. benjamin netanyahu had very strong language. now we are learning about this underground testing that belonged to the revolutionary guard. >> you are right. there is a lot of concern about that facility. when the u.s., french, and british came up with intelligence on this site there were interesting questions from yesterday. let's listen to this. >> well, i am not going to get into that, we will just say that we are watching very closely. >> does the united states

government believe that iran has an active nuclear weapons program? >> my personal opinion is that they have the intention of having nuclear weapons. >> gates also said yesterday that he did not really see a real military response to this. a military response would simply buy more time. martha: what is the response from moscow to all of this? what are they saying about seeing this equipment go off? >> the united states is carefully watching moscow and china. moscow is urging restraint, saying that the important thing is successful negotiations. you have got to believe that people in the u.s. government are reading between the lions, saying that moscow might be backing off tough sanctions

against iran. there are a lot of phone calls going back and forth, trying to figure out what they mean by having restraint. martha: you would have thought that they would have won them over with the missile defense decision. we will see if that happens. bill: we are getting troubling report this morning, new evidence that iran is helping other countries with nuclear ambitions. venezuela says that iran, one of its biggest allies, is helping it to buy and sell uranium deposits. venezuela claims that the blood supply uranium for the -- venezuela claims that they will not supply uranium for the iranians. martha: there is new worry over

social security. number-cruncher's saying that it will be paying out more than it takes in. this is the first time that has happened since the 1980's. this is being blamed on job losses and a spike in retirement claims. it does not bode well for those down . another chunk of change there, right? bill: is your wallet getting wider? banking deposits are getting hit with record numbers of fees as the country's biggest banks are coming up with creative ways to penalize customers. this year banks are expected to firm $38 billion in overdraft fees alone. double the money made by credit- card companies. critics say that while the banks are not going far enough, what

is the news in this? >> they are expected to issue new guidelines, basically charging customers overdraft fees without telling them. pressuring the federal reserve to do that. chris jobs is asking for legislation to stop this process of charging customers overdraft fees without notifying them that the charges coming. the house is moving up legislation because the sentiment in congress is that customers are getting hurt. the dollar amount of the fees are rising. sometimes people can get hit multiple times for the same overdraft charge. the problem is that these debit cards are being taken into use

more and more. cancel the transactions, that is what chris dodd is saying, if the overdraft takes place and the customer is not aware. banks are going ahead anyway and charging a fee. bill: in a macro sense, banks are always looking for ways to make more money so that they can do more with it. does this go to the health of the banks in america? until the credit becomes fully operational again, we may not feel economic recovery. is this a sign that the banks may not be as healthy as we hoped? >> i think so. we had credit card legislation earlier this year because banks were hiking credit-card fees.

it has to do with the rise of debit cards replacing checks. it was rare for banks in the past to hit a customer with an overdraft be in a checking account. now you are seeing a lot. it is a nickel and dime way to help the bottom line of the bank. bill: check your statement, ask questions, you are responsible. megyn: you might have noticed something different on your screen today. fox news is trying something called wide-screen. we have created a web site for our viewers that will address some of the more common television problems you might be having. go to the web site and click on the wide-screen link. that will take you to our tv fix it guide. then bill hemmer will come over to fix it.

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martha: lets get back to our top story. a new low for support of the president's health care support -- health care proposal. these numbers are significant. only 41% of the american public are supporting the plan according to rasmussen reports. 51% are opposed. the big underlying story is seniors. only 15% of stories so -- of seniors support this plan. seniors vote a lot. what kind of impact will that have been loved judd gregg is joining us now.

thank you for coming in. we are now getting 66% of people opposed -- people in favor of this plan. >> people are taking a look. one, that it might lose their own health care. no. 2, they are concerned about the costs. no. 3, medicare cuts going towards health care issues like the uninsured, they are worried about that. martha: where does the truth lie on this issue? who should we believe? it feels we are not getting a good enough explanation from democrats. >> these people have to believe their common sense.

if that money is coming from someplace, funding and entitlement to increase the costs, it is obvious. the ends do not meet. you cannot create this entitlement and say that you have to pay for it. martha: senators, congressmen, waking up this morning, they vote. if you are up for reelection, what do you say when you look at these numbers? what are you sensing in terms of the divide? >> fairly significant in the democratic party, for one thing. they are not even willing to show their own members the language. they do not know what the cbo is.

they say that the bill should be printed in scoring should be in place for 72 hours, but that idea was voted down. people might get really upset about this. martha: one of the biggest issues is whether the public option is going to hang in on this bill. there is an argument for how to bring down costs, public option. do you see the public option surviving the finance committee? >> not in that form. something will survive that will allow you to shift in conference. remember, that is the final game. i think that they are going to put some sugar coating on that, some shrubbery, calling it a public option but it will be a stopgap.

the prevalence in the house is for a government run system. take care of the element of that party and address their needs, the majority party. they are going to have to come forward with some sort of proposal that leads to the single payer plan. martha: does it pass, in what form, and before christmas? >> something is going to pass. the president has his entire political persona in it. you have members of the democratic party, no question that it will be passed, i am concerned that it will be expensive and it will undermine the ability of people to keep private insurance, or at least a lot of people, that is what i see coming out of the committee in the house. martha: let's talk about afghanistan. i want to show a clip of general mcchrystal, which aired yesterday on "60 minutes."

>> 1218 months to show a significant change, -- 12to 18 months to show a significant change, just to get tools of the tool box. a good organization looks at their watch. martha: we have really got to get that way, he says. clearly frustrated with the pace of things in washington. what do you think about that? >> he has got people out there, he is basically asking them to put their lives on the line. he knows what they need in order to be adequately protected. yet there is a study occurring. it is not right, not fair to the troops on the ground, not fair to the general in charge. martha: also echoing the thoughts of george will, saying pull out.

let's not put it on the ground in this situation. you want me to do what you have asked me to do, i will need more troops. which way you see this going? >> i do now know. you have got to make cut. we need the troop strength to do what we need, troop strength for a proposal over the horizon. if you see another on the horizon, you come back in with the new force. those of the options being considered. what has to occur is the decision in the short term. general mcchrystal has the protection needed. martha: when he had only spoken to the president wants, was that surprising to you?

>> startling. martha: president bush, do you think he spoke to petraeus on a regular basis? >> on a very regular basis. maybe he has been talking to petraeus. he has obviously been talking to gates. maybe he is honoring the chain of command. i would think you would want to hear, one-on-one, from our field commander. martha: it was a pleasure having you. take care. bill: fox news alert right now, word from zurich, switzerland, famed director roman polanski was arrested once he arrived in switzerland. at age 76 he will fight extradition back to the u.s.. he is tied to the rate of a 13- year-old some years ago in new york city. what happens when there are two

500 pound grizzly bears and a twist to this story that he will not see coming? martha: you thought you had seen the last of health care town halls. think again. it fired up crowd, a congressman in the middle, and new questions after this.

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martha: a man walks into a barricade, right? he walks out to tell about it. -- a man walks into a bear cage, right? he walks out to tell about that. this was at the san francisco zoo on saturday night.

workers fired warning shots to keep the bears away. the man has a criminal record. bill: over the use u.s. judges have awarded millions to the families of the victims of fidel castro. now that relations are starting to fall on the edges, some people are going after trademark rights on luxury brands distributed by the cuban government. how many are targeted? >> they can do it thanks to a 2002 law that allows americans to collect the judgment. nations that sponsor terrorism,

these cuban-americans feel that they can sue and get a trademark on these world famous brands. not domestically, because of the u.s. trade embargo. bill: this is a way of them treating -- squeezing the trade embargo. how would this work? >> one cuban-american family recently won a $100 million judgment. they have only collected 1 million so far. if the ghost of federal court, as it is expected to next month, the judge will most likely create a trust, seizing the trademark owned by the government, auctioning it off, that person would likely distribute the money to the family under judgment. bill: so, the embargo is still in place.

how much of this depends on the end of that embargo? >> law experts say that it is dependent on that embargo going away. this is something that could be years down the road before anything actually happens. if the federal court allows this to happen, the european union and the world trade organization would most likely also get involved. typically nation's respect each other's trademarks. bill: it takes years and years, they have been waiting years and years, in this case decades and decades. martha: and oklahoma-city style death and destruction attack, one man wanted to bring one to l lloyd. he was busted for wanting to hit a congressman's office. now there is word that he became an islamic converts while in a u.s. jail. more on how some people are

becoming homegrown terror of the wrists -- terrorists. bill: the new research from frank lutz, helping us cut through the clutter. what are americans truly worried about in the health care reform debate? these advertisements are fascinating.

megyn: -- martha: that august recess is in the mirror, we have footage of a town hall debate north of los angeles.

the upgrade did not actually died down when the weather cooled off. >> i am going to retain my freedom of choice. [applause] our forefathers had it right. how many pages is the bill of rights? [applause] president obama said that he will pay for his health-care plan by reducing waste and fraud. what is he waiting for? [applause] martha: more than 2000 people

showed up to get their 2 cents in at that meeting. apparently it started off in a civil manner, but like the town hall debates in other states things got rowdy. people were speaking out with a passionate debate on the issue. bill: the long, hot days of august are stretching into october. americans are bombarded with fabric tapes mince -- advertisements about one of the greatest changes in their lives. what are americans really worried about in the health-care overhaul? we are looking at that in death. here is frank luntz, live. congratulations, "the new york times" best seller list. >> if i could read one thing, the number one priority is

medical professionals being in charge, not bureaucrats. bill: we have three spots in the focus group. what are we looking for? >> republicans read, democrat is blue, and the higher that the lines climbed a more favorable the reaction. bill: below 50 and you are not effective. spot number 1, a female doctor. >> every time we test this advertisement, female doctors go off of the charts. >> i have been a family doctor for 18 years. i am concerned that government control could take over health care. i think that that is dangerous. bureaucrats should not be able to deny or delay the care

provided by doctors. health care, if it was rationed, quality will suffer. medicare will be bankrupt in eight years. despite this, someone to pay for health-care reform with $500 billion in medicare spending cuts. look at canada and england, patients wait up to one year for vital surgery's in ways that can be deadly. instead of forcing americans into a failing health care system, washington needs to fix medicare first. government should never come between your family and your doctor. >> it is as though she read every detail and understood exactly what the american people were looking for. fixing medicare first, making sure that nothing comes between doctors and patients. she had to caring expertise of a

professional. bill: you are the ones in the field, most affected, here is my story -- i do not think i can remember a spot where republicans and democrats were merely a blind. >> particularly on something -- were so nearly all lined the. >> particularly on the japheth -- were so nearly all line tign. >> what americans want from politicians is someone that lets them in the eye. this advertisement demonstrates how politicians do not do that. >> one of my jobs is to keep track of the disinformation out there about health insurance reform. >> no one is talking about government takeover of health care.

i happen to be a proponent of single payer health care. nobody is talking about government takeover of health care. >i would like to see single payer. >> the only way to get single payer is a public option. >> the public option for the private insurance industry. >> i have been as clear as i can be on the reforms i have proposed. if you like your doctor, you keep your doctor. >> i do not think that we will be able to eliminate employer coverage immediately. there will be a transition process. >> with all due respect to the

republican national committee, that advertisement is ineffective. the american people do not understand. these comments are not put in perspective. they realize that politicians do one thing and say something else -- by the way, they are furious that these politicians are creating these thousand page bills and not reading them. bill: normally when you juxtapose the words of someone with words said previously, it can be effective. why did that not work? >> they did not know what the politicians men. you would think that politicians would understand. bill: spot number 3, what are we going to see? >> this is interesting.

you see a different break. it is also an innovative approach to health care debate. take a look. >> what are we going to do to pay for the surgery? to think that planned parenthood is included in the government plan, spending tax dollars on abortions, they will cut pay for my surgery but we are forced to pay for abortions. >> our greatest generation, denied care. stop the government takeover. >> one of the most partisan as we have tested. republicans care that they are taking medicare money and putting it towards the possibility of paying for abortions. democrats find that charge offensive. here is the problem. there are so many pieces of legislation, we do not even know what is in it.

organizations that are so-called truth tellers can justify what they say with one bell and ignore another bill. it is chaos in washington. bill: there is a big difference between nested and message. normally you would use actors, going back to lesson number one. >> we want to find someone in the medical profession. what americans really want our medical people making decisions on health care. bill: interesting stuff. thank you. good luck with the book. martha: you do not have to go overseas to join a terrorist organization. a few hot spots right here on american soil. we will show you how one of the plots covered last week may have been founded right inside of a u.s. prison. bill: 13 feet long, like

jurassic park. bigger than my car. he almost did not live to tell the story. his story of survival in his own words. >> i just started shaking.

gregg: hello, everyone. coming up in about 15 minutes there is a movement afoot in congress to include the eagles in health care reform. might it actually -- to include illegals in health care reform. might it actually save you money? coming up. jane: 112-year-old, nine months pregnant? -- 1 12-year-old that is nine months pregnant?

more at the top of the hour. martha: a man wanted to blow up a building in springfield, illinois. this is a photograph of the suspect. he also wanted to go overseas, lived in saudi arabia, become ag inis jihadist fighter. it turns out that prisons are a right recruiting ground for terrorist. how growing is this problem? just to go back over this story a little bit, this man was a very disgruntled american over many issues in this country. so much so that they got wind of him and hold onto him with an undercover operation for al qaeda. he drove a van to the front of the federal building in

springfield, illinois. he locked the door. he walked away. aedile a cell phone that he thought would explode the van. -- he die old that the cell phone that he thought would explode the van -- he dialed the phone that he thought would explode the van. >> there was another similar kind of happily interrupted terrorist attack in dallas in the basement of a skyscraper. there were some people there that i spoke with, he was a volunteer. he said that the muslim effort to recruit people in prison are probably picking up 24 every christian. partly because we as a government have encouraged

operatives to go into our prison systems and proselytize what is known as shiria. this is a program that we need to be worried about. this is the connective tissue between the attacks. in not saying that all of these attempted attacks are tactically coordinated, but there is this virus, if you will, far more toxic than swine flu. we are failing to recognize it as such even though it is animating people to believe that what got wants is jihad. martha: i want you to explain something in more detail on that.

hopefully religious leaders in prisons are speaking to people in helping them come out of their illegal lifestyles. you are saying that these people teaching about muslim, are they supporting extremism? if so, how much do we know about it? what is the program that allows it? >> here is the key point -- authoritative islam, not an extremist faction in afghanistan, but authoritative islam calls for this program called shiria. these promoted convergence programs are an adherence. they have an obligation. the will of allah says to force others to submit to islam.

those predominately responsible for this program by in the prison system, jon kyle a couple of years back said that these very dangerous felons are suddenly disciplined, literally. guess what? they generally get out of prison faster as a result. there is another piece to this. funding going into a halfway house program. there are 35 or so of these around the united states, largely populated by these converted to islam prisoners. this is not a safe, let alone sensible, approach. if we do not identify this virus, shirira, we do not have a

chance of operating against it. keep your kids in school? it is like swine flu, we have got to take the same approach. intelligence and military communities are not able to look at this problem. martha: the process that this man went through, something that law enforcement should be very much on top of. bill: a 16-year-old with a whole life ahead of him, viciously attacked when heading home from school. he died in a twisted story. find out what the police are doing. martha: new problems plaguing the already troubled organization, acorn. being dropped like a hot line? [laughter] we will be right back. . ( music, cheering )

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bill: fox news alert, following up on the story, request for extradition of the famed director roman polanski. he was arrested saturday on a sex charge that goes back 32 years. his lawyer says he will fight extradition. also saying through an e-mail on monday that their request is illegal, saying that to u.s. authorities. polanski arrested on saturday, are arriving for an award. the united states is seeking a guilty plea for him, having sex back in 1977 with a 13-year-old girl and fleeing to france a year later. this case continues three decades plus or later. polanski says he will fight the

extradition, being held in zurich right now. martha: chalk another one up for acorn. they have lost the support of one of their largest corporate sponsors. bank of america has severed ties with the embattled group. a corn had received grants from the bank in the past. now, the bank says they have suspended all commitments with acorn, and they will not enter into any further agreements with the group, pending assessments with the organization. this is in the wake of the undercover tapes of members helping suppose of prostitutes. bill: a florida man has a job dropping tail end the pictures to prove it. he speared a gigantic alligator. that is legal this time of year,

apparently. the problem was the gaidar was not quite dead on the way home. >> the head is massive enough. the sheer size of the entire gaidar may leave you speechless. more than 13 feet long and those jobs dropping jowls. >> i just started shaking because we have gotten some 11 and 12-footers before, but this was far bigger than anything we have ever gotten. >> of was trembling from the adrenaline rush after spearing the 800-pound reptile. eventually, the animal was shot, but pulling the gator into the boat provided a real surprise wendy's eyes open. the gator was not dead. >> we take him with that tape, and it went flying like confetti, and he opened his mouth. >> these pictures, including this one where the animal hardly fits in the back of the pickup,

my anger some. but he tells action news the alligator was captured where people boat and a jet ski. >> if you had your kids on an interim, -- an inner tube, he could probably swallow them whole without even thinking about it. martha: look at the size of his head. looks like something prehistoric. bill: that is nuts. more than duct tape man. by the way, hunting season for alligators a tally last two and a half months. martha: all right, well, we usually see him touring foreign despots. the venezuelan president apparently has the hots for someone else now. with until you hear about the special invitation he extended to rocker courtney love and what

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